Actually there is little originality about those games you mentioned.
Nintendogs-Virtual pet game. Electroplankton-Music generator/music game dozens of them in Japan. Wizard of funk-same Train game- 12 a dime in japan Sims community-OH! how original another SIM expansion? Spore-Sim life part 2 The movies-Actually and this is a little known fact there were some of these games back in the pc glory days, anyone remember disney stunt island? there is no lack of movie studio simulators. Bully-Gta meets high school.
Katamari damacy was really cool and original, but there are quite a bit of original indie titles, specially puzzles if you look them up.
Those you mentioned are not THAT original or unconventional. And the industry is still heavily based in military, sci-fi and sport simulators, D&D style RPGs and movie tie-ins. Nothing has changed. (the quality and the technology have improved quite a bit though)
Also rise or not , most gamers wouldnt choose "Katamari" or "the movies" over "halo 3", "MGS4" or (seriously there is no god) the latest NFL or Movie hype tie in.
I really dont see the point of the article, it goes a long length explaining whu Nintendogs is not just a pet simulation but a game thats nice and dandy but.. Wait a minute, isnt a pet simulation a game? since when? is some kind of crazy app, screensaver then?
Actually just replace "Nintendogs" with "Tamagotchi" in the entire article and except for some nifty extra features (like voice recognition and learning tricks) it's basically the same.
Besides what is wrong with Nintendogs being a pet simulator? yeah is a hi-tech tamagotchi.. so? tamagotchi was just a small blob in the middle on the screen that went poop from time to time. Nintendogs features a cute state of the art animated 3d dogs (pups to be precise) with pretty good AI is not hard to see why they are attractive or popular.
Note to the author: stop being in denial and posting articles about it. And no your gamasutra essay didnt convinced anyone. (at least not me) if it has a control and abstract (simulated) objectives and rules to meet, what do you know? it's a game.
In case you havent noticed, Nintendo ALWAYS uses "substandard" technology on their consoles, they claim that is because they dont need it (although they curiously use it in the next console when is cheap) but the real reason is that they get much better profits for doing so.
Not only dont count on HD on revolution, xlive like net service? (for free?) I dont think so, HDD? probably not, Physics chip? fat chance, hd-dvd blu-ray dvd? you are kidding right?
Instead of great technology, nintendo offers their well known franchises and "innovative" gameplay, non-standard games that require some new device to play with, (and you have to buy along with the game) Its not perfect, but it works. just ask any rabid Nintendo fan.
And besides all HDTV nay sayers, just one question, you do realize you dont need a $1000 tv right? I mean any regular pc with an hd entry($100) can decode hdtv, actually there a bunch of monitors that are entirely HDTV capable and cost the same than a flat screen monitor (around $300-$400). whats hd for? well just ask yourself, how many PC games have you played lately at 320*240, 640*480 resolution instead of 800*600 or 1024? (if you have a good card) also HDTV is expensive now, but as soon as more devices with HD begin to appear, tvs will start coming out with the mode at a very similar price than regular tv's.
You know, someone should warn G4
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I know this sort of thing gives them ratings, but G4 should think twice about showing scams, I mean theres some level of er.. "innocence" in trying to convince complete non gamers that the Killzone 2 trailer was "realtime gameplay" but seriously the "phantom"?!
In case you havent noticed the Phantom is a "console" that will fail in purpose, and as soon as it does, the extra "initial capital" from the naive investors will disappear in thin air. (except from the pockets of those who orchestrated the whole deal of course) check the bios of these guys they are con artists.
This sort of thing could blow in their faces. not that they should worry about their credibility (which is zero anyway) they should worry about investors seeking for blood when this thing finally blows its cover.
This is the second article Ive read THIS month about pulling what could be called a bad business decision over the PSP, without counting it was basically a "no show" during the e3.
Im begining to notice less developers commiting to developing for it. Ive noticed that they are not getting bought in stores. This is all adds up to one thing.. How many psps have been sold? there are like I dont know 15 games in the works for it. and the best of them are dated for next year (not xmas) and knowing E3 I think only FF and GTA have a solid release date.
Is sony aware of their actual situation in the market? I mean what is going on?
Considering is spike tv I was almost sure DOA4 and True Crime 2 would get all the prizes, but If you actually go and check the nominees here: http://www.gamecriticsawards.com/nom.html They (at least apparently) took the nomination seriously, actually only playable games were nominated.
The obvious problem is the hardware section were x360 and ps3 were nominated. considering they were both "faked" we never actually saw prototypes of both of them. So its a contest of "who faked their system better"
Oh well... the rest does seem ok. I just hope soulcalibur 3 gets the fighter award (is better than the rest) Nintendo will probably get some awards thanks to Zelda. (sorry but I dont really see nintendogs winning an award) and you dont need to be a genious to realize spore is going away with a big prize home .
a.-Picks up "hyped" product and dislikes it after playing it for 3 seconds. and since He is not sept off his feet and has a HUGE opinion about himself as a gamer this spells doom for any item. (regardless is a world wide top seller)
b.-Notices someone didnt bought it in the first attempt, considering geeks should be killing each other, over X item this spells "D O O M" for the product.
c.-Teen relative drops a acid/derrogatory remark on the product. Teen angst: the undeniable sign of doom!
d.-Has nothing better to do.
Determines the product is going to die, like a pup with terminal testicle cancer. Creates long pointless, speculative article with a catchy title on why and gets it published on the net.
The article gets slashdotted.
Geeks, read and realize is a pointless, speculative (with a catchy title though) in 3 nanoseconds, instead of walking away and letting the article die, they deploy a huge comment explaining in quirurgical detail why every single aspect of the article is speculative and pointless.( A few of them in order to raise some flames agree to the article).
The slashdotted pointless, useless articles, receives 300+ comments.
The next time the moderator reads another "X product doom" article, remembers "hey! the last time I posted something like this got a huge response! Im so slashdotting this baby!"
Repeat, cleanse, rinse.
And yes I know I contributed with this to the damn "doomed" cycle.
Anybody else as curious/excited as I am to find out what Nintendo's big secret is?
a: no.
Their last "big secret" with technology "not new but not used before!!" turned out to be... a micro gba that looks and feels like a small makeup mirror. (it doesnt even mentioned backward lighting)
Ken Kutaragi in a somewhat bold move confessed the device sony presented during E3 wasnt actually playstation 3, it was a joke by sony entertainment, "I mean seriously, you think we would dishonor ourselves with this thing?" said the sony repman while tossing the boomerang controller around the hall. "It even has the spiderman logo, I mean, spiderman3, playstation3! get it?! hahahahaha! " the audience was a bit confussed first but joined in laughter when they grilled a steak in the device revealing is true nature to the public.
Sony announced "All the demos we showed were made in a $10,000 supercomputer, the rest of the trailers were CGI's of some fine ps2 games coming this summer, we just wanted to scare the crap out of MS! you should have seen Allard face when we showed killzone 2 I think he actually soiled himself, hahahahaha! golden! golden! " the audience cried in laughter.
"Anyways, I await the revolution, im going to be dissapointed if its not revolutionary =("
Er.. and you are the one complaining about "fanboyism"?
Revolutionary: Is not, is going a ramped up version of a gamecube with a dvd player (which should've been in the gamecube anyway), you are going to be able to play a few New Nintendo games (Gamecube too) and 20+ years of downloadable N games, from the excusable to the classical. The controler is going to feature some silly gimmick like the DS touch screen which only 1 or 2 games will really use And is going to be ridiculously small and cheap parents are going to love it, N fanboys too, but just about anyone else wont even notice when is released.
Nintendo is not even trying to compete in the console wars, they just want to keep their stablished fanbase and target market and thats all they need to make a nice profit anyway.
Curious but now the obligatory penny arcade reference goes to the written part
G4 coverage would have been great... if it wasnt such a huge infomercial for sony.
First sony tried to convince the audience you were seing a realtime demo in "killzone 2" after that they tried to convince everyone they were showing "real gameplay" sorry sony rep but how can you exactly control a character if the camera is jumping all over the place? also where the heck is the hud? But more important if Killzone 2 is so goddamn impressive then why the heck did they even bothered to show the u3 realtime demo?
Also why the u3 engine team even bothered to expend 5 years creating the engine for PC if it took 2 months with the SDK for the Killzone team (the fucking killzone team no less) 2 months with the ps3 sdk, to create a demo that goes beyond any other game ever created in terms of realism and complexity?
Sony has been awarded with the Now Thats Bull! award by IGN, Penny-Arcade and even Gamespot.
So this is what Ballmer called a "disaster"
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I finally realized what Ballmer meant by presentation "disaster", if you remember back when the Xbox was presented they used the same system than sony: some impressive tech demos and then CGI "hinting" the system capabilities. (actually some of the game shown are STILL under development) is a tried and true system that works for presenting a new console.
This year MS tried to be "creative" and tried to reach a bigger audience by explaining "how" any gamer could use the system and "why" it was build like that, that was not so bad (but it did looked like an infomercial). The problem was that instead of impressive tech demos or CGI they decided to show pretty early footage of real gameplay , and of course it was dissapointing (specially compared to cgi and tech demos) everybody thought this was the "most" the system was capable of, when Actually (according to IGN reports) most of this games werent even using the xbox360 but an ordinary PC since they didnt had time to port the prototypes to it.
Of course PS3 creamed the xbox presentation, after boring the audience with technical details (so many even John Carmack would have snoozed one time or two) they showed some VERY impressive tech demos and CGI, after that and the "terraflop" comparation (they said they had 2 and 360 had 1) all of the audience left the building thinking "PS3 is faster, better looking and more powerful than the xbox360!"
Thats not entirely correct, it is in certain terms, but then it isnt in other key areas, however the thing is we were left comparing bright apples to dull oranges here and of course apples won.
But where were the actual game prototypes of PS3? nowhere to be seen, they probably look as bad or even worse than 360 (check the sega phantom trailer for ps3 for further info) sony is smart enough not to show a WIP.
Now is up to MS to do some damage control, but the major blow by sony did hit, a lot of people who were already convinced to get a xbox360 this xmas, are now having second thoughts. I have to admit is MS's fault for straying out of the formula.
However in the other hand, SONY lost a vote of trust (for many including me) they directly or indirectly tried to convince the audience that their CGI show was real, and some people are still convinced it was.
Maybe the best presentation was from Nintendo? they just showed some specs of their new machine and no actual footage, tech demos or anything. So now everybody is wondering what that little black box can do and taking into account is a year to find out, thats a nice tease.
I think Im going to need some Real proof for both (all consoles actually) before I can emit an opinion.
Also Im left wondering if some of the demos were playing in a pc, how do they look and play like in the actual 360? (better or worse?) according an article in IGN, perfect dark 0 (which was shown at close doors for unknown reasons) is a sight to behold and could give halo 2 a run for his money (yeah I know thats PR talk but theres something about it that rings as true)
Did MS (emperor palpatine of videogames) foreseen this? are we just seing the tip of the iceberg in a bigger scale of plans?
One thing is for true: this Console Wars has begun...
(oh damn too much Star Wars in the blood system!)
Peace.
Well , before we compare videos read this:
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I just caught this on a forum in gamespot, so take it as you like:
--- Mark Rein Reveals That Most PS3 Demos Are Not Realtime! 2005-05-17 16:10:06: Written by SD6
Mark Rein of Epic Games revealed to VE3D that only a select few of the games and demos shown during Sony's press conference were realtime.
In addition to the Sony demos being shown by Phil Harrison, the Epic and EA presentations were the only third party portions actually running on the PS3 in real-time. But most of those movies, which I probably watched 3 or 4 during rehearsals for the event, look very achievable and some were probably rendered on the actual box but in non-real-time. When a system is year away, heck even with a system is 6 months away, it is reasonable to expect the power of the dev kits would still only be a fraction of the power of the final system. --
Anyone else saw that coming a mile away?
Anyway, yes ps3 presentation was a lot more spectacular than xbox but if you check the actual specs you will realize they are pretty similar they both have free internet access, wifi capabilties, and although sony tried to hide this similar physic and graphic capabilities (Actually unreal 3 runs on xbox 360 too so the demo shown by sony most probably runs on xbox360 too).
Actually if you check the new Sega game trailer, well thats actual footage from the ps3 and as you can see is basically identical to the 360 footage shown.
And no, contrary to popular belief, "not realtime" or "prerrendered" does not mean "the machine can still do that, and therefore is powerful enough to do it so we shouldnt judge it down" it actually means any machine even your grandpa 486 can pull a video like that if you give it enough time to render it.(and the needed ram and disk space) if its not realtime its a fake and can not be used to judge the machine, period.
"Prerrendered, prerrendered , prerrendered, prerrendered"
Tech demos too.
Xbox has nothing to worry about, PS3 is going to be great some day but right now, there arent playable games for it. (and Im begining to wonder is there are going to be enough for next year) those shown were either tech demos or prerrendered.
"hey we thought they were releasing ps3 THIS year, but now they are saying next year and their CPU is faster than ours. well.. let me see what we can do"
Any bets on xbox 360 getting delayed 'til next year?
ok Im going to hold my comments about revolution , yes what Nintendo shown was underwhelming, but then we havent seen much of it to state anything so...
However what I can I say is about the ps3 , the ps3 was impressive, seriously but is also a lot of theory with no actual game demos to talk about. Lets talk per example about the Alfred Molina demo in which the actor was rendered using 3d technology and was almost good enough to pass as a human photograph, impressive yes, but you can clearly see that,it was the only thing done by the system, we couldnt see the famous octopus arms moving around, the entire 2 teraflops of power were used to render one single character head. How could you do a game like that? obviously you CANT.
Then there was the unreal 3 engine demo, and the announcer tried to convince the audience it was made in 2 months, even the developer tried to say "yeah, but we are er, very good at this..." FYI the U3 engine took around 3-5 years to be created! it may have taken 2 months to port it to the PS3 but theres no way you could do that in 2 months!
That leads me to believe the sony wasnt preocupied on the veracity of their statements. And yes, that leads me to believe that what we saw was mostly prerrendered.
Well since you are not posting anonymously (and I have nothing better to do right this instant) Ill answer. Yes I did looked at the article, actually (just like everyone else) Ive been reading everything about e3 all day. I haven caught at Nintendo press conference video though. But I did read the article that mentioned the "games download" as the "secret weapon" so.. what are you talking about? what anonymous poster comment? Its what it says right there in the freaking article. (and I did said "giveaway" with quotations, I know Is not a giveaway)
And seriously guys, I understand you like Nintendo but why do you have to bow at every piece of crap they release or be considered a troll around here?
I mean this is what you expected from a next gen 2006 console from Nintendo? downloading old games? you are willing to shell out hundreds of bucks for that?
Imo, maybe you guys are the ones buying nice looking bridges close to the Manhattan area. Probably you are not aware of it, but you should.
Ps3 is going to be released, showing some seriously engaging games designed for the system like Tekken 6, kill zone 2 and others. Taking the japanese market by storm.
Xbox 360 with an already secured user base, is going on its second wave of games, games that actually tax the power of the system. Final Fantasy Online and the ending of halo with an stablished over 5 million user base : Halo 3.
And Nintendo revolution: Will be released featuring lesser graphics, lesser cpu, some "mysterious" (and knowing nintendo: Silly) controller plus a bunch of 20+ year games that can be found anywhere in the internet right now. (and gamecube titles).
Oh yeah, definetily Nintendo fans should be cheering all over, after all they are the only ones who are even going to notice when this thing is launched.
btw, did they used a toaster, a cd drive or a hard disk drive for the design? nice ps2 colors btw.
Slashdot! the only place in earth where you are modded as flamebait for stating the obvious (against Nintendo of course)
More likely "Bye, bye revolution" They are not seriously thinking they are going to attract every gamer class with that "giveaway" do they? I mean thats the equivalent of giving away mame roms for crying out loud.
To be honest what Nintendo shown of the revolution is more dissapointing than anything I had imagined. I was expecting it to come underpowered compared to the ps3 and the xbox360 but I was hoping Nintendo would pull something to balance that, not Nintendo _literally_ pulling their 20+ year games as a "bonus" for buying it.
Im begining to wonder: seriously whats the point of buying a revolution? it has the same features than a cube plus dvd play (too little too late) and they are waiting a whole year just for that? If you have Nintendo stock I would seriously recommend to sell it before the revolution is out. (Actually before the e3 would've been better)
Where are all the guys that said that backwards compability was completely useless and that never saved any console and that was completely overhyped back in the Xbox 360 post?
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Actually there is little originality about those games you mentioned.
Nintendogs-Virtual pet game.
Electroplankton-Music generator/music game dozens of them in Japan.
Wizard of funk-same
Train game- 12 a dime in japan
Sims community-OH! how original another SIM expansion?
Spore-Sim life part 2
The movies-Actually and this is a little known fact there were some of these games back in the pc glory days, anyone remember disney stunt island? there is no lack of movie studio simulators.
Bully-Gta meets high school.
Katamari damacy was really cool and original, but there are quite a bit of original indie titles, specially puzzles if you look them up.
Those you mentioned are not THAT original or unconventional. And the industry is still heavily based in military, sci-fi and sport simulators, D&D style RPGs and movie tie-ins. Nothing has changed. (the quality and the technology have improved quite a bit though)
Also rise or not , most gamers wouldnt choose "Katamari" or "the movies" over "halo 3", "MGS4" or (seriously there is no god) the latest NFL or Movie hype tie in.
I really dont see the point of the article, it goes a long length explaining whu Nintendogs is not just a pet simulation but a game thats nice and dandy but.. Wait a minute, isnt a pet simulation a game? since when? is some kind of crazy app, screensaver then?
Actually just replace "Nintendogs" with "Tamagotchi" in the entire article and except for some nifty extra features (like voice recognition and learning tricks) it's basically the same.
Besides what is wrong with Nintendogs being a pet simulator? yeah is a hi-tech tamagotchi.. so? tamagotchi was just a small blob in the middle on the screen that went poop from time to time. Nintendogs features a cute state of the art animated 3d dogs (pups to be precise) with pretty good AI is not hard to see why they are attractive or popular.
Note to the author: stop being in denial and posting articles about it. And no your gamasutra essay didnt convinced anyone. (at least not me) if it has a control and abstract (simulated) objectives and rules to meet, what do you know? it's a game.
In case you havent noticed, Nintendo ALWAYS uses "substandard" technology on their consoles, they claim that is because they dont need it (although they curiously use it in the next console when is cheap) but the real reason is that they get much better profits for doing so.
Not only dont count on HD on revolution, xlive like net service? (for free?) I dont think so, HDD? probably not, Physics chip? fat chance, hd-dvd blu-ray dvd? you are kidding right?
Instead of great technology, nintendo offers their well known franchises and "innovative" gameplay, non-standard games that require some new device to play with, (and you have to buy along with the game) Its not perfect, but it works. just ask any rabid Nintendo fan.
And besides all HDTV nay sayers, just one question, you do realize you dont need a $1000 tv right? I mean any regular pc with an hd entry($100) can decode hdtv, actually there a bunch of monitors that are entirely HDTV capable and cost the same than a flat screen monitor (around $300-$400). whats hd for? well just ask yourself, how many PC games have you played lately at 320*240, 640*480 resolution instead of 800*600 or 1024? (if you have a good card) also HDTV is expensive now, but as soon as more devices with HD begin to appear, tvs will start coming out with the mode at a very similar price than regular tv's.
I know this sort of thing gives them ratings, but G4 should think twice about showing scams, I mean theres some level of er.. "innocence" in trying to convince complete non gamers that the Killzone 2 trailer was "realtime gameplay" but seriously the "phantom"?!
In case you havent noticed the Phantom is a "console" that will fail in purpose, and as soon as it does, the extra "initial capital" from the naive investors will disappear in thin air. (except from the pockets of those who orchestrated the whole deal of course) check the bios of these guys they are con artists.
This sort of thing could blow in their faces. not that they should worry about their credibility (which is zero anyway) they should worry about investors seeking for blood when this thing finally blows its cover.
This is the second article Ive read THIS month about pulling what could be called a bad business decision over the PSP, without counting it was basically a "no show" during the e3.
Im begining to notice less developers commiting to developing for it. Ive noticed that they are not getting bought in stores. This is all adds up to one thing.. How many psps have been sold? there are like I dont know 15 games in the works for it. and the best of them are dated for next year (not xmas) and knowing E3 I think only FF and GTA have a solid release date.
Is sony aware of their actual situation in the market? I mean what is going on?
When you shoot anything it explodes or reacts. the entire level is "interactive" it will have a "story" around the engine that does that. thats it.
On a curious note: PDZero for x360 suposedly does exactly the same thing.
We clicked on the monkey and it gave us NO price! stay tuned!
Come on guys, dont you recognize a PR ad-article when you see one?
Whats next? a link to a free psp conga line?
Considering is spike tv I was almost sure DOA4 and True Crime 2 would get all the prizes, but If you actually go and check the nominees here:
http://www.gamecriticsawards.com/nom.html
They (at least apparently) took the nomination seriously, actually only playable games were nominated.
The obvious problem is the hardware section were x360 and ps3 were nominated. considering they were both "faked" we never actually saw prototypes of both of them. So its a contest of "who faked their system better"
Oh well... the rest does seem ok. I just hope soulcalibur 3 gets the fighter award (is better than the rest) Nintendo will probably get some awards thanks to Zelda. (sorry but I dont really see nintendogs winning an award) and you dont need to be a genious to realize spore is going away with a big prize home .
Web journalist ____
a.-Picks up "hyped" product and dislikes it after playing it for 3 seconds. and since He is not sept off his feet and has a HUGE opinion about himself as a gamer this spells doom for any item. (regardless is a world wide top seller)
b.-Notices someone didnt bought it in the first attempt, considering geeks should be killing each other, over X item this spells "D O O M" for the product.
c.-Teen relative drops a acid/derrogatory remark on the product. Teen angst: the undeniable sign of doom!
d.-Has nothing better to do.
Determines the product is going to die, like a pup with terminal testicle cancer. Creates long pointless, speculative article with a catchy title on why and gets it published on the net.
The article gets slashdotted.
Geeks, read and realize is a pointless, speculative (with a catchy title though) in 3 nanoseconds, instead of walking away and letting the article die, they deploy a huge comment explaining in quirurgical detail why every single aspect of the article is speculative and pointless.( A few of them in order to raise some flames agree to the article).
The slashdotted pointless, useless articles, receives 300+ comments.
The next time the moderator reads another "X product doom" article, remembers "hey! the last time I posted something like this got a huge response! Im so slashdotting this baby!"
Repeat, cleanse, rinse.
And yes I know I contributed with this to the damn "doomed" cycle.
Anybody else as curious/excited as I am to find out what Nintendo's big secret is?
a: no.
Their last "big secret" with technology "not new but not used before!!" turned out to be... a micro gba that looks and feels like a small makeup mirror. (it doesnt even mentioned backward lighting)
Ken Kutaragi in a somewhat bold move confessed the device sony presented during E3 wasnt actually playstation 3, it was a joke by sony entertainment, "I mean seriously, you think we would dishonor ourselves with this thing?" said the sony repman while tossing the boomerang controller around the hall. "It even has the spiderman logo, I mean, spiderman3, playstation3! get it?! hahahahaha! " the audience was a bit confussed first but joined in laughter when they grilled a steak in the device revealing is true nature to the public.
Sony announced "All the demos we showed were made in a $10,000 supercomputer, the rest of the trailers were CGI's of some fine ps2 games coming this summer, we just wanted to scare the crap out of MS! you should have seen Allard face when we showed killzone 2 I think he actually soiled himself, hahahahaha! golden! golden! " the audience cried in laughter.
"Anyways, I await the revolution, im going to be dissapointed if its not revolutionary =("
Er.. and you are the one complaining about "fanboyism"?
Revolutionary: Is not, is going a ramped up version of a gamecube with a dvd player (which should've been in the gamecube anyway), you are going to be able to play a few New Nintendo games (Gamecube too) and 20+ years of downloadable N games, from the excusable to the classical. The controler is going to feature some silly gimmick like the DS touch screen which only 1 or 2 games will really use And is going to be ridiculously small and cheap parents are going to love it, N fanboys too, but just about anyone else wont even notice when is released.
Nintendo is not even trying to compete in the console wars, they just want to keep their stablished fanbase and target market and thats all they need to make a nice profit anyway.
Curious but now the obligatory penny arcade reference goes to the written part
G4 coverage would have been great... if it wasnt such a huge infomercial for sony.
First sony tried to convince the audience you were seing a realtime demo in "killzone 2" after that they tried to convince everyone they were showing "real gameplay" sorry sony rep but how can you exactly control a character if the camera is jumping all over the place? also where the heck is the hud? But more important if Killzone 2 is so goddamn impressive then why the heck did they even bothered to show the u3 realtime demo?
Also why the u3 engine team even bothered to expend 5 years creating the engine for PC if it took 2 months with the SDK for the Killzone team (the fucking killzone team no less) 2 months with the ps3 sdk, to create a demo that goes beyond any other game ever created in terms of realism and complexity?
Sony has been awarded with the Now Thats Bull! award by IGN, Penny-Arcade and even Gamespot.
I finally realized what Ballmer meant by presentation "disaster", if you remember back when the Xbox was presented they used the same system than sony: some impressive tech demos and then CGI "hinting" the system capabilities. (actually some of the game shown are STILL under development) is a tried and true system that works for presenting a new console.
This year MS tried to be "creative" and tried to reach a bigger audience by explaining "how" any gamer could use the system and "why" it was build like that, that was not so bad (but it did looked like an infomercial). The problem was that instead of impressive tech demos or CGI they decided to show pretty early footage of real gameplay , and of course it was dissapointing (specially compared to cgi and tech demos) everybody thought this was the "most" the system was capable of, when Actually (according to IGN reports) most of this games werent even using the xbox360 but an ordinary PC since they didnt had time to port the prototypes to it.
Of course PS3 creamed the xbox presentation, after boring the audience with technical details (so many even John Carmack would have snoozed one time or two) they showed some VERY impressive tech demos and CGI, after that and the "terraflop" comparation (they said they had 2 and 360 had 1) all of the audience left the building thinking "PS3 is faster, better looking and more powerful than the xbox360!"
Thats not entirely correct, it is in certain terms, but then it isnt in other key areas, however the thing is we were left comparing bright apples to dull oranges here and of course apples won.
But where were the actual game prototypes of PS3? nowhere to be seen, they probably look as bad or even worse than 360 (check the sega phantom trailer for ps3 for further info) sony is smart enough not to show a WIP.
Now is up to MS to do some damage control, but the major blow by sony did hit, a lot of people who were already convinced to get a xbox360 this xmas, are now having second thoughts. I have to admit is MS's fault for straying out of the formula.
However in the other hand, SONY lost a vote of trust (for many including me) they directly or indirectly tried to convince the audience that their CGI show was real, and some people are still convinced it was.
Maybe the best presentation was from Nintendo? they just showed some specs of their new machine and no actual footage, tech demos or anything. So now everybody is wondering what that little black box can do and taking into account is a year to find out, thats a nice tease.
I think Im going to need some Real proof for both (all consoles actually) before I can emit an opinion.
Also Im left wondering if some of the demos were playing in a pc, how do they look and play like in the actual 360? (better or worse?) according an article in IGN, perfect dark 0 (which was shown at close doors for unknown reasons) is a sight to behold and could give halo 2 a run for his money (yeah I know thats PR talk but theres something about it that rings as true)
Did MS (emperor palpatine of videogames) foreseen this? are we just seing the tip of the iceberg in a bigger scale of plans?
One thing is for true: this Console Wars has begun...
(oh damn too much Star Wars in the blood system!)
Peace.
I just caught this on a forum in gamespot, so take it as you like:
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Mark Rein Reveals That Most PS3 Demos Are Not Realtime!
2005-05-17 16:10:06: Written by SD6
Mark Rein of Epic Games revealed to VE3D that only a select few of the games and demos shown during Sony's press conference were realtime.
In addition to the Sony demos being shown by Phil Harrison, the Epic and EA presentations were the only third party portions actually running on the PS3 in real-time. But most of those movies, which I probably watched 3 or 4 during rehearsals for the event, look very achievable and some were probably rendered on the actual box but in non-real-time. When a system is year away, heck even with a system is 6 months away, it is reasonable to expect the power of the dev kits would still only be a fraction of the power of the final system.
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Anyone else saw that coming a mile away?
Anyway, yes ps3 presentation was a lot more spectacular than xbox but if you check the actual specs you will realize they are pretty similar they both have free internet access, wifi capabilties, and although sony tried to hide this similar physic and graphic capabilities (Actually unreal 3 runs on xbox 360 too so the demo shown by sony most probably runs on xbox360 too).
Actually if you check the new Sega game trailer, well thats actual footage from the ps3 and as you can see is basically identical to the 360 footage shown.
And no, contrary to popular belief, "not realtime" or "prerrendered" does not mean "the machine can still do that, and therefore is powerful enough to do it so we shouldnt judge it down" it actually means any machine even your grandpa 486 can pull a video like that if you give it enough time to render it.(and the needed ram and disk space) if its not realtime its a fake and can not be used to judge the machine, period.
And you are saying that the Xbox ones weren't? Well... if they were they wouldnt have looked so crappy ;)
"Prerrendered, prerrendered , prerrendered, prerrendered" Tech demos too. Xbox has nothing to worry about, PS3 is going to be great some day but right now, there arent playable games for it. (and Im begining to wonder is there are going to be enough for next year) those shown were either tech demos or prerrendered.
"hey we thought they were releasing ps3 THIS year, but now they are saying next year and their CPU is faster than ours. well.. let me see what we can do"
Any bets on xbox 360 getting delayed 'til next year?
OOpps. ok foot in the mouth, watching the video again, Tim Sweenney says it took 2 months to PORT the game demo to ps3. sorry about that.
ok Im going to hold my comments about revolution , yes what Nintendo shown was underwhelming, but then we havent seen much of it to state anything so...
However what I can I say is about the ps3 , the ps3 was impressive, seriously but is also a lot of theory with no actual game demos to talk about. Lets talk per example about the Alfred Molina demo in which the actor was rendered using 3d technology and was almost good enough to pass as a human photograph, impressive yes, but you can clearly see that,it was the only thing done by the system, we couldnt see the famous octopus arms moving around, the entire 2 teraflops of power were used to render one single character head. How could you do a game like that? obviously you CANT.
Then there was the unreal 3 engine demo, and the announcer tried to convince the audience it was made in 2 months, even the developer tried to say "yeah, but we are er, very good at this..." FYI the U3 engine took around 3-5 years to be created! it may have taken 2 months to port it to the PS3 but theres no way you could do that in 2 months!
That leads me to believe the sony wasnt preocupied on the veracity of their statements. And yes, that leads me to believe that what we saw was mostly prerrendered.
Well since you are not posting anonymously (and I have nothing better to do right this instant) Ill answer. Yes I did looked at the article, actually (just like everyone else) Ive been reading everything about e3 all day. I haven caught at Nintendo press conference video though. But I did read the article that mentioned the "games download" as the "secret weapon" so .. what are you talking about? what anonymous poster comment? Its what it says right there in the freaking article. (and I did said "giveaway" with quotations, I know Is not a giveaway)
And seriously guys, I understand you like Nintendo but why do you have to bow at every piece of crap they release or be considered a troll around here?
I mean this is what you expected from a next gen 2006 console from Nintendo? downloading old games? you are willing to shell out hundreds of bucks for that?
Imo, maybe you guys are the ones buying nice looking bridges close to the Manhattan area. Probably you are not aware of it, but you should.
Peace.
Ps3 is going to be released, showing some seriously engaging games designed for the system like Tekken 6, kill zone 2 and others. Taking the japanese market by storm.
Xbox 360 with an already secured user base, is going on its second wave of games, games that actually tax the power of the system. Final Fantasy Online and the ending of halo with an stablished over 5 million user base : Halo 3.
And Nintendo revolution: Will be released featuring lesser graphics, lesser cpu, some "mysterious" (and knowing nintendo: Silly) controller plus a bunch of 20+ year games that can be found anywhere in the internet right now. (and gamecube titles).
Oh yeah, definetily Nintendo fans should be cheering all over, after all they are the only ones who are even going to notice when this thing is launched.
btw, did they used a toaster, a cd drive or a hard disk drive for the design? nice ps2 colors btw.
Slashdot! the only place in earth where you are modded as flamebait for stating the obvious (against Nintendo of course)
More likely "Bye, bye revolution"
They are not seriously thinking they are going to attract every gamer class with that "giveaway" do they? I mean thats the equivalent of giving away mame roms for crying out loud.
To be honest what Nintendo shown of the revolution is more dissapointing than anything I had imagined. I was expecting it to come underpowered compared to the ps3 and the xbox360 but I was hoping Nintendo would pull something to balance that, not Nintendo _literally_ pulling their 20+ year games as a "bonus" for buying it.
Im begining to wonder: seriously whats the point of buying a revolution? it has the same features than a cube plus dvd play (too little too late) and they are waiting a whole year just for that? If you have Nintendo stock I would seriously recommend to sell it before the revolution is out. (Actually before the e3 would've been better)
Just for the record Im not a Fanboy and I agree with your opinion, unfortunately those two are mutually inclusive here in slashdot.
Where are all the guys that said that backwards compability was completely useless and that never saved any console and that was completely overhyped back in the Xbox 360 post?
Ah! life is a mystery.