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More Hints at Nintendo's Revolution
The Nintendo press conference touched on aspects of the Nintendo Revolution, but offered no details on what "the" revolution is. No word on the controllers or when the console will be released. One new tantilizing aspect of the console was announced, though: "The console also will have downloadable access to
20 years of fan-favorite titles originally released for
Nintendo® 64, the Super Nintendo Entertainment System® (SNES) and
even the Nintendo Entertainment System® (NES)." No word on pricing, of course, but exciting nonetheless.
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Nintendo can't even keep their web site up now, and they're going to offere downloadable content?
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I wonder what the limits of this download service will be?
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It would be awesome if you could download some of these games if you had purchased them previously (NES and SNES games), but I doubt they'd offer that service. It would be too much of a pain to implement.
Also, I wonder if they'll ever let you download Gamecube and Revolution games? I figure the answer to that is "no" because the games are so big. Bandwidth would be a problem, as downloading a full game would take -forever. Also, the size constraints on the onboard flash RAM (512 MB) would be problematic for this. However, if they make available old N64 games, that space might fill up pretty quick anyway.... However, there's always the possibility of a hard drive peripheral
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Online Smash Bros and a launch library consisting of all GC games as well as large swaths of the N64, SNES, and NES?
I could see this working well for Nintendo. It continues with their trend of fighting the console wars on their own terms. Not bad.
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I wonder what major news service will be the first to call vaporware? I'm sure nintendo has something, but the conference was a total cock tease, and im left feeling blue balled. Oh nintendo, what happened to us? I thought we had something special. I'd tell you my secrets and you'd tell me yours. I never even bought anything that wasn't nintendo approved. Love does not alter when alteration finds, but you must show me the alterations my love!
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Damn, there goes my karma. I should remember that everyone else on Slashdot are goddamn Nintendo fanboys. ;-)
I was going to add that the Revolution does look the nicest of the new consoles. The Xbox360 is presentable, the PS3 is WTF?, but the Revoultion looks sweet.
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The Xbox 360 looks like something from Fisher-Price, the PS3 looks like an overpriced CD player, and the Nintendo Revolution looks like a smaller first-gen PS2... sort of. That, or three DVD boxes glued together. ;-)
If KillZone is as impressive as the video we've seen, I'm getting a PS3.
But I'm getting a Nintendo anyway: Zelda, Metroid and all-around great Nintendo games (Pikmin, etc).
You have no idea how you're ruining this generation's teenagers. I really hope there are 60 gig sd drives and that at least you can put roms on it. If emulation for older systems is available, then I'll have to sell my organs in some sudamerican black market to pay for all the games...
Does this mean that Nintendo will let us mess with it? I would love to be able to program it. Not only would that increase sales, it would foster talent and good will towards Nintendo. Considering how large the GB/GBA development community is, I would think that would be a good thing. Also, the devices that people use to develop for the GBA Nintendo is always fighting because they can be used for piracy. But if you could develop from the get-go (or maybe with a $50 or $100 kit) people wouldn't need to reverse engineer things to run their own code.
Will Nintendo do it? I kinda doubt it, but I would really love it if they did.
Either way, if it makes it easier to make good games without needing huge teams of programmers to endlessly tinker to get decent performace, it could still be a very good thing.
On a side note though, the Zelda screens don't look as good as many of the PS3/X360 screens. Let's hope there is better to come (based on how much better the GC got though, it should still be great).
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If it is only first party titles this is an interesting way of giving people free access to a massive library of content (and also introducing the more casual gamer to Nintendo's massive history). On the other hand, if third party publishers give Nintendo the right to release their old content this way it would be enough reason for me to buy the system.
I don't know about anyone else, but being able to play the excelent SNES RPG's (and all other still great content that was released) in itself is worth the ticket price.
Have to agree here, what the hell was Sony thinking with that design? I've even looked back at the pictures in the alst 24 hours thinking that maybe I'm just seeing it the wrong way, it looks like a ATM for christ's sake! Not having seen a 360 first hand I'd have to say its design is much nicer but is it a lot smaller than the original xbox, damn that thing was beastly. :)
But the Revolution. Wow, thats nice. good scope for colours. probably real easy for custom spray jobs seeing as there are no buttons and trays to worry about. Minimalist and functional.
Just my opinion on the three new systems, does anyone like the PS3 design over the 360/Rev and if so what is it you like?
How nice is this thing?!?, I'm so totally not a big N fanboy, but quickly turning into one. You can have your PS3 and Xbox multi-processor multi-hundred dollar systems that are mainly media systems, I want a game console and so far Nintendo is hitting the mark.
Downloadable content is phenomenal!!! I can play old favorites quickly and easily with no emulation woes, I just hope the payment system is similar to iTunes. A buck to have Excitebike, Zelda, FF would be amazing... I'd probably go up to $5-10 for newer stuff but not much over that.
I just want to see the controller, it is said to be the true revolution here and I'm sure it will be. This is what was needed in gaming, a return to the core focus. Sony and MS are missing out IMO, the Revolution is my only hope for gaming's future without juvenile "mature" titles like GTA and the like.
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For what it's worth, I agree with your sentiment. While being able to play the old Nintendo games on my newer systes was a fun novelty at first, it's gotten to the point where I want something NEW. I still have my old systems, so if I really want to play Super Mario Bros again, I'll hook it up and play it. Its not that I dislike Nintendo, in fact, quite the opposite. I just feel somewhat cheated that they waste their time on porting old games to new systems, instead of developing new games. I know, ports are quicker, and all, but...
I prefer the PS3 over 360 because of the simplicity of design. 360 with the PC-like design and buttons and whatnots all over the machine makes my eyes hurt. PS3 is simple and efficient, and has everything you need. Nintendo is still the winner, however.
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Have they mentioned the idea of letting 3rd-party companies offer current games for download?
True, most current games would be too large, but it would be quite awesome if you could buy simple, independently developed (but N-approved) games via the same method that the back catalog games will be downloaded...
It would be really interesting if smaller companies could have a direct distribution route for "smaller" (but still innovative gameplay-wise) games.
What with Microsoft finally coming through on the Xbox backwards compatibility, and now this, it's pretty obvious that all three of the console makers finally get it.
The size of a game library can be just as important as the number of quality games. Consumers like choice. Just like with music, so it is with videogames. This is something that Nintendo failed to address with the Nintendo64 and the Gamecube. It's almost painful to see how well they get it when it comes to the portable market (GameBoy and family), but not their home consoles.
I, for one, am hoping they do the right thing, and make the library available for free. While they'll miss out on some revenues of old games, they'll have a guaranteed sell for the Revolution (and Nintendo typically sells it's hardware at break-even or profit), and a footstep into future sales. Combine this with sales of Gamecube games that will also work in the Revolution, and Nintendo could see itself launched into the forefront of the three console makers.
Interestingly enough, it's mostly thanks to companies like Netflix and Amazon that these companies are beginning to understand. They've made such a profitable market out of niche sales, that big business is being forced to recognize the power that is the little guy, instead of just pandering to hit sales. In the business world, they're calling this "The Long Tail", and it's turning out to be huge money. (So much so, that business executives everywhere are sitting up and taking notice.) There are articles in The Economist and Wired. The traditional thinking has been that 80% of revenues typically comes from 20% of the titles, and it's been true for a long time. However, in the internet world, where you're not limited by shelf space, and you can aggregate diverse markets, the other 80% of titles (niche titles) can bring in as much money as the most popular 20%.
Nintendo has always excelled at putting out hits (Zelda, Mario, Metroid, Pokemon, etc.), which is why I think they've typically ignored this facet of business, but I think that even they may be starting to take notice. Here's hoping so :-)
While the PS3 doesn't look like a game system all that much, just as a plain 'ol aesthetic object, I like it better than the new Xbox. When the first images of the xbox360s front leaked out, they looked to me like someone had seen it, and then done a quick mock up of it in illustrator or something. It just looked amateurish. But the actual console looks just like it.
It's actually typical MS design. They try a lot of neat things, but they either forget or screw up that last bit of polish. Of course, until I see one firsthand, I'll reserve any final judgement on any of the three systems. First impressions of the Revolution; It's nice enough, but not exciting or compelling. *shrug*
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"Well we aren't really sure when it's going to be released, how much it's going to cost, or even what it looks like, but it plays all these outdated games from the 80s and has "Revolution" in it's name!"
I think I understand why the PS3 design doesn't sit well with me. They've designed the damn thing so it has to sit on the top of any under TV equipment. There's going to be no stacking this baby under the DVD, AMP and Decoder box. Then again I guess the same could be said for the ultra small Revolution box. :)
If they do this right, they can EASILY make lots of money off the emulation crowd. Most of us have no problems downloading & tweaking emulators, but the "mass market" doesn't have the patience/skills for that. If they target the pricing correctly(i.e. NOT the $20 they were charging for the GBA versions of these games) I don't see why people won't play this JUST for the nostalgia.
Some thoughts:
- If I download games to my SD card, can I somehow back them up to my PC?
- Would *I* pay more than $1-$2 dollars for an old NES game? How about SNES? N64?
- They seemed to mention Super Mario Sunshine as a downloadable game! I wonder if this is correct, because it must not have used all of the 1.5GB on the GameCube disc then.
- Nintendo really IS going out of there way to be different this time. If the specs turn out to be THAT much lower than the competition it will pretty much rule out lots of direct ports.
does anyone like the PS3 design over the 360/Rev
I do.
and if so what is it you like?
My take on the three system designs:
* Xbox 360 - overdesigned. Clearly trying way too hard to project some sort of coherent idea (the whole "inhale" motif). Form is not following function. There's no obvious reason for it to look the way it does, and the end result is that its curves look oddly out of place, the power button looks too large, and the whole system just generally looks a little bit wonky.
* Revolution - underdesigned. First, keeping in mind that Iwata said this is not the final design (meaning the whole point could be moot), to me this system looks like a car stereo, or an external CD-ROM drive. It is frankly boring - it doesn't take a lot of imagination to think up a thin black box. Some people like how minimalist it is, but I think it's a mistake - people will stick it on top of whatever stack of something they've already got and forget about it. And you don't want people forgetting about your company's game console.
* PlayStation 3 - Just right. It's graceful and almost elegant. It stands out without being gaudy (like the Xbox 360). For some, the curves might take some getting used to, but being convex they don't look as self-conscious and randomly-applied as the Xbox 360's curves. They make the system look like it's saying "look how powerful I am, I am frankly bulging with power!" That's probably not true, but it still comes off looking tasteful yet still unlike anything else you'll have sitting in your A/V rack. The design of the system projects an image but it also does not look like that's its sole purpose. On the other hand, it doesn't look like somebody simply stumbled on a surplus supply of external drive casings and stuffed a console inside. You can tell some thought went into this design.
I ultimately do think console designs matter, in as much as they help shape public perception of a system - just look at what happened to the Xbox in Japan. Reactions to these new designs seem sort of all over the place, but my guess is the Xbox 360 is still going to have a tough time in Japan on looks and size (it's still pretty big, and despite being designed partly in Japan it does not have a Japanese look and feel). The PS3 will appeal to consumers worldwide, though maybe some will need to get used to it more than others. The Revolution is too nondescript even for the Japanese, who value size but also power - and nothing about the Revolution's design suggests it's in the same class as the other two systems.
Time will tell if I'm right or wrong... but I do think the PS3 is quite a bit better-looking than the other two systems from an aesthetic design standpoint. The Revolution is in the middle simply because it's inoffensive, and the Xbox 360 is, frankly, offensive.
I think I understand why the PS3 design doesn't sit well with me. They've designed the damn thing so it has to sit on the top of any under TV equipment. There's going to be no stacking this baby under the DVD, AMP and Decoder box.
With the heat that this thing will probably produce, it might be a conscious decision on Sony's part to design it in a way so nobody can stack objects on top of it.
Having said that, it sure would be nice if all of these systems were stackable -- I've got a handful of systems neat my TV (GCN, XBox, PS2, SNES) as well as a VCR, DVD player, and a few digital cable boxes. There's no hope of stacking any of these, as they're all radically different shapes and sizes.
The XBox 360 gets unveiled; it hits the slashdot front page. The Sony PS3 gets unveiled; it hits the slashdot front page. The Nintendo Revolution gets unveiled; it goes to the games.slashdot section page.
Hmm.
Anyhow, Nintendo pretty much let down anyone who was hoping for real information today. I can shrug this off though. What matters to me though is what they do to developers.
Nintendo made quiet public statements a month or so ago that there would be more shown of the Revolution behind closed doors than there were in their E3 conference; today, they brought a Revolution prototype on stage (and apparently a functional one, since they said it wasn't as small as the final version would be) and said that they'd be showing it off in meetings later that week. I assume this means they're going to be revealing the information to developers this week that they didn't to consumers today.
And, well, they'd better. Work on PS3 games is clearly already starting or seriously underway. Nintendo can continue to cocktease consumers for another six months without it being a serious problem for them, but if they don't sell third party developers on this quickly they're going to outright miss the chance to get third parties signed on at all.
The thing that really concerns me is, Nintendo seems to be convinced they have solutions for low-budget high-concept dev houses; well, that won't really help much if nobody but the five or six massive developers Nintendo talks to behind closed doors this week are considered NDA-trustworthy enough to get dev kits, and by the time the low-budget high-concept game designers actually find out what the Revolution is they're already locked into making PS3 games.
Well, at least the new DS lineup is absolutely fantastic.
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I like the revolution design, the simplicity reminds of the JAP and EUR SNES. Tokyo will love it. Think black "invisible" box and wireless controlers: it's you, the gamepad and the TV. The controlers will be what will make or brake this systems design and if history is an indication it will be a blast.
That thing looks an awful lot like a disk drive for a desktop PC (and about the same size, too). What are the odds Nintendo allows you to use it in a computer? That would be very interesting indeed.
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I should add one more thing to my post - you know, what you see online, especially at tech sites, is often a very male-centric view of things. I'll just tell you what my wife said when she saw the PlayStation 3:
"I feel sorry for Microsoft's designers."
That was her reaction. I think Sony's hit the mark with both men and women with the PS3, whereas MS looks like that's what they were trying desperately to do but they're a bit short of a bullseye. So far, most of the people I see praising the Xbox 360 design are men. (I said "most", not "all".)
Imagine, if you will, the ability for all those old multiplayer Nintendo games to be playable online. If Nintendo could make it so that any of those old multiplayer Nintendo games could be played against another person online instead of having him or her right next to you..... that would be the ultimate killer scenario. Is it possible? I don't know. A guy should be allowed to speculate, though.
Everyone would own one. Forget about market share. It will be 50% XBox 360 and 50% PS3... with 100% having a Revolution.
Heck, it may be anyway..... *drool*.
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I bet you will be able to use a DS as a wireless controller just like the PS3+PSP.
Hopefully wavebirds will be also backwards compatible. It would be same if I have to thorw those away.
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While I am annoyed that they didn't show more than a couple second of Metroid for the Revolution, they announced too many good things for me to be unhappy. Unlike Microsoft and Sony, they actually have games that I'm excited about. But then again, I am a Nintendo fanboy.
Xbox 360 - overdesigned.
Agreed, and I'd add that it looks a bit retro. Not 1980s, but 2001/2. With the consoles coming out when they did, they missed the blobthing movement in design. Why is MS looking back to it for inspiration?
Revolution - underdesigned.
I'm not sure it's worth getting into without seeing the controllers, and given that it's 13 months until this actually hits the shelves. If the controllers are *perfect*, then the understated design won't matter to anyone. I do expect the console case design to change. I'd ditch the stand and embed some standing knobs on the side/bottom. I do worry that we'll find out we need a number of attachments and upgrades, though, to compensate for the size.
* PlayStation 3 - Just right.
Have to disagree. It looks like an old telephone answering machine. I appreciate the sleekness, but the shape doesn't work.
On the bright side it looks like you may be able to replace both the SNES and the Gamecube with the Revolution. That should save you some space. And if the PS3 backwards compatibility is perfect (PS2 had problems with about 2 dozen PS1 games) you should be able to simply swap out the PS3 for the PS2.
All 3 of the new systems will support DVD playback so just choose the one that has the interface you like best for playing DVD's and use it instead.
If by port you mean designing an emulator so then all the games work and that they've already made a NES and N64 emulator for gamecube so they could probably use it on Revolution. Then yes that sure is a lot of work porting. I mean designing a SNES emulator for Revolution in less than what? 11 months? sure will be a challenge. Infact I imagine they'll delay the next Zelda because all the Nintendo programmers will be busy designing SUCH a complicated emulator or they'll steal ZSNES's code.
Also just to add a fun second reply, if you meant Gameboy then again they could have designed an emulator I think the only games they ported was Mario Advance series games which have sold quite well.
The general consensus among my friends is that while making the old library of games available for the new platform is a hugely good thing, they are concerned about the apparant hardware spec.
After Sony and Microsoft making a huge deal of the processing power of their hardware, the rumors that Revolution will only be 2 - 3 times more powerful then the Gamecube (as opposed to 15 or so times more powerful for PS3 vs PS2)is somewhat troubling.
If any company can make games on weaker hardware that are better then offerings of competitors on faster hardware, it is Nintendo. But for 3rd party developers that lack Nintendo's pedigree, there may be some balking at putting new games on what appears to be an inferior platform.
The best chance for Revolution to succeed over PS3 or XBox 360 is for development on Revolution to be absurdly easy and cost effective. They may still lose out on having companies like EA target their platform, but can mitigate that by attracting publishers who are starting up and cannot afford to develop for the other platforms.
If Nintendo can attract enough developers to their platform, and have a heavy stream of new games coming out for their platform, they will do amazingly well.
Lots of new games + Abusrd amunts of old cheap games + low price of the console will allow Nintendo to succeed.
Of course, this is all speculation on my part. Until we know exactly what the hardware specs for Revolution are, being worried about the console being underpowerered are premature.
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I'm far from the most astute, but wouldn't downloadable content like NES, SNES, or N64 games require some sort of storage?
Everything I've read so far about the Rev mentions nothing about a HDD but says that it will have 512MB of flash memory. I guess this could be used for savegames, but there's no way this could be used for the downloaded games.
I know Ninty's reluctant to take the plunge, but would it kill them to put a 5 or 10GB HDD in the thing? Or am I completely misunderstanding how this is giong to work?
My guess is the latter, but who knows.
This could be the big feature even though it most likely won't see much coverage in mainstream media. Another quote from Nintendo they state game development is approaching 8 figures, and that developers are beginning to grow tired of this. Especially with the slashdot crowd you'd think this would be a big deal but not much is being said, the ability to affordably create your own titles with solid Nintendo toolsets is HUGE! This is the type of thing that breeds innovation and fresh new games. Devil Dice for PS1, Katamari Damacy for PS2 (kinda, it was a personal vision type of game), and numerous other great indy/small release titles. This just may be what steals the show if it is accessible.
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I guess you're right. I mean, the first thing I thought of when I saw it was "George Foremen Grill!" so since it looks like a kitchen appliance, and all women spend all their time in the kitchen, then OF COURSE they're going to love the kitchen appliance design of the PS3.
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Hmm. Let me download Snake, Rattle n' Roll and The Guardian Legend for $.99 (or whatever's fair... that means LESS than $19.99) and you've got yourself a loyal customer again.
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I think we're all dreaming that the price of classics will be less than $20/each. They didn't exactly give away the remakes they released for the GBA, granted they needed a cart so that increases the cost.
But $5/game sounds way too cheap in an office room I think.
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Where are all the guys that said that backwards compability was completely useless and that never saved any console and that was completely overhyped back in the Xbox 360 post?
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Don't the GameCube discs have a capacity of 1.5GB, or something like that? Even if Super Mario Sunshine only uses half the disc, that's still a lot to download.
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Does any one have a link for the downloadable press conferences in a decent quality, id prefer not to watch the streams if possible.
Does anyone have any torrent links for the press conferences in a decent quality? Id prefer not to watch the streams if possible.
I do like the idea, but the problem comes back to what Nintendo said previously. "We do not want for other consoles to steal our ideas." Knowing Microsoft and Sony, it is not difficult to see that they TOO will now offer old classic downloads. Nintendo only stated that they will offer their collection but there was no mention about old Konami, Capcom, etc., games. I can see Microsoft paying large amounts of money to make Konami's old classics exclusives to their Xbox live service. Another thing to ponder is, "Because Nintendo is the publisher of GoldenEye and Perfect Dark, does that mean that those titles will also be exclusive to Revolution?"
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Does anyone else see the awesomeness in having one Gameshark for 5 consoles simultaneously? That would be utterly and completely awesome.
Additionally, if Nintendo is extremely brilliant (because it seems obvious they're already brilliant), they'll have a wireless lightgun so you can play Duck Hunt and, dare I say it, a new Duck Hunt for the revolution as well?
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Now just imagine turning the Revolution around a seeing a huge big Pikachu grinning back at you!
Xbox 360 with an already secured user base, is going on its second wave of games, games that actually tax the power of the system. Final Fantasy Online and the ending of halo with an stablished over 5 million user base : Halo 3.
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By Final Fantasy Online, I assume you mean FFXI, which has already been out on the PS2 and PC for 3 years. If you think a (by that point) 5-year old game is going to give a huge advantage or tax the new Xbox's capability, you're insane.
Not even going to bother replying to the rest of your rubbish, as it's quite obvious you're a troll, a complete idiot, or both
Go troll somewhere else. While you're saving up (or mooching off of mommy or daddy) for the PS3's probably expensive pricetag, everyone else will be having fun playing their games. There's only a limit to how good your system can be, technology-wise, and I think we've almost reached that limit. Nintendo will be making quality games while Sony (not Microsoft so much) tries to scrounge around and find some third party support, which they obviously don't have much of. Appealing games? Nope.
As we all know, the Playstation 2 is the only console that has ever used black as the color. The Sega consoles must have just been a very, very dark gray. Wait a second. Doesn't that mean Sony "stole" the NES, SNES, etc. colors from Nintendo? Why I do believe it does.
As a current Xbox owner (not a GameCube owner, as you might have assumed), I believe the Revolution is the best-looking console. The PS3 looks like a refrigerator and the controller looks like a boomerang. The Xbox 360 (obligatory: hurr, hurr Apple [/sarcasm]) doesn't look too bad, but it doesn't look fantastic, either. I have no complaints about it, especially with the faceplate features. The Revolution, however, definitely looks the best. Sleek, shiny black with a nice blue light on the tray-less optical drive. Not to mention, there's a gigantic library of games already available.
The controller will make or break this console. We'll just have to see.
I love the idea of downloadable games, because there are some real gems in nintendo's back-library.
Out of all the next-gen systems, the Revolution at least has my interest. Simply showing off new hardware that is supposed to be "the best ever" means nothing. All the systems will be similar in performance, thats just a fact. PS3 and Xbox360? Eh? Fast new hardware, whatever. Let's just wait and see what games make it worth the $300 purchase (or however much they are going to cost).
But the new development model of Revolution intreges me. The free wireless hotspots for internet connectivitiy for the DS and Revolution including downloading NES/SNES/N64 libraries is interesting.
I want to know more.
Like Sony and MS are not prone to overhyping their hardware and software in order to belittle competitors. Several posts on that point here probably worthwhile considering them.
Additonally as much as the back catalogue isn't a system maker is a nice sweetner and WILL earn them some customers which they might not get without it.
Oh yeah, definetily Nintendo fans should be cheering all over, after all they are the only ones who are even going to notice when this thing is launched.
Sad but true, hardly the fans fault if (IMHO) the media are too swayed by the PR departments of Sony and MS. Just because they spend more money on parties and flashy commercials doesn't mean you're getting a better system.
btw, did they used a toaster, a cd drive or a hard disk drive for the design? nice ps2 colors btw.
As I've said before tonight. What does it matter how it looks. You want to walk away from your tv thinking you own a sexy looking console or having played one of the best games of the lifetime and have no consideration for the console you played it on. The design is compact and functional, nothing amazing but then it doesn't have to be. If you feel any better about it buy one, wrap it in 5 rolls of sticky tape, cover in glitter and you'll probably be ready for your level of tackyness. :)
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I'd say flamebait because you aren't stating the obvious, you're stating an opinion based on hardly any facts.
Yes, ZSNES code, which is writen in ix86 assembly.
Well it won't be televised so we'll never see it anyway.
I've read that the Revolution will have 2x USB 2.0 ports.
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Just look at the features of the PS3, 3 x Gigabit ports, WiFi, BlueTooth, CF, not to mention the RAM and GPU. There's no way it will be affordable.
What I'm wondering is, what's the background image used at 45:50 in Gamespot's Nintendo E3 Press Conference video?
That's because there were TV cameras present. The Revolution will not be televised.
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Expect Nintendo to try and portray themselves as above the Sony vs. Microsoft battle. It looks like Nintendo think they are right now like Apple right before OS X and the iPod made them a major player again. Hopefully this will translate into them bringing major and useful innovations to the market.
Fine then, SNES9x happy now?
Ok here's the details of the system in general since this article apparantly doesn't touch on it...
The cool look: The new console boasts high-quality materials and a smart, compact design, approximately the size of three standard DVD cases stacked together. A variety of prototype colors are being showcased during E3. It will come with a silver stand that makes the system a welcome, artistic component of any multimedia setup, whether it's displayed vertically or horizontally.
Backward compatibility: The new console plays all games from the current Nintendo GameCube generation. But there's more...
The secret weapon: The console also will have downloadable access to 20 years of fan-favorite titles originally released for Nintendo 64, the Super Nintendo Entertainment System (SNES) and even the Nintendo Entertainment System (NES).
Easy expansion: A bay for an SD memory card will let players expand the internal flash memory.
Two disc formats, one slot: Instead of a tray, a single, innovative, self-loading media bay will play both 12-centimeter optical discs used for the new system as well as Nintendo GameCube discs. Owners will have the option of equipping a small, self-contained attachment to play movies and other DVD content.
The specs: The system boasts 512 megabytes of internal flash memory, wireless controllers, two USB 2.0 ports and built-in Wi-Fi access. A worldwide network of Nintendo players can gather to compete in a comfortable, inviting environment. Revolution's technological heart, a processing chip developed with IBM and code-named "Broadway," and a graphics chip set from ATI code-named "Hollywood," will deliver game experiences not previously possible.
The stars: Introduction of a number of new franchise properties will add to the world's richest stable of stars, including Mario, Zelda, Super Smash Bros., Donkey Kong and Metroid.
Wireless freedom: A number of Wi-Fi-enabled launch titles are in development that will employ Nintendo's newly announced wireless gaming service, Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection. A worldwide network of Nintendo players can gather to compete in a comfortable, inviting environment.
Freedom of design: A dynamic development architecture equally accommodates both big-budget, high-profile game "masterpieces" as well as indie games conceived by individual developers equipped with only a big idea.
"Our next console proves small in size but big on ideas," says Reggie Fils-Aime, Nintendo of America's executive vice president of sales & marketing. "We're throwing open the doors of gaming to wider audiences, from casual players to hard-core gamers who live for the thrill of defeating an endless army of wireless opponents."
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Surprise, Color me Shocked!
Hardware lags behind the others.
Yawn
MONO GameBoy vs Sega GameGear
NES vs Genesis
SNES vs 32x ? CD? oh yeah 3d0 & Jaguar
n64 vs Saturn or Dreamcast or PS1
Cube vs PS2 or Xbox
Backwards Compatable.
Ok so the n64 wasn't but GB(A) always has been since SNES.The great thing about this (for N) now, all the way back to MONO tetris, nintendo has no abandonware. The whole catalog is potentially profitable, thus giving them a new weapon in their never ending battle to stop N games from being run on non-N hardware. Those patch-wearing, peg-legged, parrot-perchin, pirate bastards must be stopped.
Here is the real surprise PRICE. No Way M$ or $ony can afford to undercut these units. Same as the portable wars. GBA, SP, DS != PSP (Graphic Quality, Function, Design) But just like those old MONO GBs they are still flying off the shelves. So will this thing. My household is begging for a PS3 but we all know we'll have a Revolution first, right beside our PS2, 3 PCs, Gamecube (maybe sell the GC or Linux it http://www.gc-linux.org/
Great Ad Campaign for MS or Sony.
So you say you wanna revolution. Man you gotta change your head.
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Not to mention a boring advantage. When I played for a brief while, I actually fell asleep pushing the taunt button over and over again. My group didn't notice, I woke up an hour later and it was the same group with one person different. Still doing the same thing. Over and over. I'd rather watch Wonder Showzen.
See, if it's cheaper and less time-consuming to make a game for the Revolution because Nintendo is offering up an abundance of tools, a developer can put more focus into content, can create a game faster, and can sell it for cheaper, all while still profitting from it. I think a lot of developers are paying attention to Katamari Damacy and realizing, "Hey, weird-ass ball rolling games for $20 are super-fun hot-sellers!" But not all developers have the balls/money to take the finacial risk that comes with innovation. Let's hope Nintendo alleviates that pressure.
Anyway, to sum it up, I think fun "pick up and play" games will be a big part of Revolution. You know -- "I have to roll up a huge cow before I go to work... WHAT? COW PYLON?! NO!!!" I mean, why else talk about how fast it boots?
PS3 and XBox 360 are huge, powerful, all-in-one systems that will feature ass-numbing AAA titles, and that's great, but it's a nice move by Nintendo to set up a comfortable camp on the mountain and not battle for the summit. If people buy two of the three consoles this generation, one of them is definitely going to be the Revolution.
umm, you seem to be forgetting THEY DESIGNED THE ORIGINAL SYSTEMS! Emulation takes no time at all when you have all the design docs and software at your disposal... now for three high school/college kids to reverse engineer and develop an emu takes 11 months, not for the company that designed it originally. Do you think they don't already have perfect emu's for developers?
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Downloadable content consisting of Nintendo's past console games will be a huge selling point for those of us who started out on the NES (or before, and played through the NES). The golden age of gaming, when fun games were still simple. I've used emulators, but they aren't exactly mainstream--neither is the ability to hook them up to the television so you can lounge while playing.
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I've played at least the original Tetris, Tetris Attack, and Tetris Worlds. And there are good reasons why I think Tetris Worlds blows. I was so frustrated with Tetris Worlds for GBA that I decided to make a better tetramino game for GBA.
That is, unless hybrid GameCube/Revolution minidiscs are possible. Remember the "DX" games that could run on Game Boy mono but show up in full color on GBC?
Downloadable content is phenomenal!!! I can play old favorites quickly and easily with no emulation woes
Unlike a community-maintained emulator, an official emulator probably won't let you patch a fan translation of a Japan-only game to Englisch.
For a few bucks, I'd gladly download the Final Fantasy games I missed
But will the official emulator let you apply IPS patches containing fan translations? Otherwise, how are you going to play Final Fantasy II, III, and V?
I think it became clear to Nintendo that one of the big reasons why the PS2 sold so much was because of the backwards compatibility. It looks like Nintendo took a look at their catalog of games, and realized that they have a back catalog that puts Sony to shame. Then they realized that people would pay a small fee to play those older games, wow another source of revenue. It's about time Nintendo flexed some of that software catalog muscle. Hopefully the Revolution will be back-back-back-backwards compatible.
Well, I meant at least the ones released in the U.S. I never owned an SNES, for example, so there's one or two there I could get.
Is anyone else a little shakey about all these wireless controllers?
If the controller's power light starts flashing, then plug the controller into the console's USB port so that it can recharge. Is there a problem with that?
I'm just dreaming but my idea of a revolution would have the capacity to program GBA carts with games I download.
Here's your revolution, and here are the free games.
If you want to play something like The New Tetris with a twist, try TOD for PC and Game Boy Advance. Or did you mean the Mickey Mouse version?
Yeah see I had nifty .sarcasm. ,/sarcasm, tags. Seems like some people need them. That's why the post got +3 funny and not -3 offtopic. I'm glad to see that you failed life.
Now if Revolution even had cardridge ports for the legacy games you DO own...
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