It's probably just a matter of having used the PS controller for 10 years, but I don't see myself preferring the XBox controller any time soon.
The disc spinup is so damned loud. Most of my gameplaying takes place after the kids are put to bed so having my volume up to 90dB isn't really an option.
I hate replying to my own post, but I completely forgot that the 20gig ps3 doesn't come with wifi. So after a gold subscription you come out to about $50 ahead with the XBox. After two years your even, and after three you're in the hole $50. So whatever. I'd suggest just figuring out which games you want and pick the system that way.
Owning both I feel some of your points are a bit mistaken.
1. This is highly subjective. I prefer the ps3 controller (though I do miss rumble). 2. No question about it. XBox live is superior to the free PS3 offering. Now had MS offered a free, feature-stripped service like the Sony has, I would have taken that instead of paying $50. 3. Eh... the majority of console owners will never do anything but play games, so this isn't really a selling point to most people. 4. The 20 gig PS3 is the console which is comparable to the 360 premium, not the 60 gig. The only advantage the XBox has there is the inclusion of the component cables. If you're willing to go online, you can get HDMI for $10. So depending on your network setup, this is a wash. Me? I required wifi in my console so I would have made out the same had I purchased the 20 gig (I got the 60). 5. Smaller yes, but I think the PS3 looks nicer. Plus nothing is more annoying that a 360 with a disc in the drive. It's grating at 10 feet.
Now if I had to choose just one console? The 360. Without a doubt. But that's only NOW. In a year when Sony has built up a decent library of games like the 360 has, things may be different.
And I'm completely ignoring the Wii since that's competing on a different level than these two (planning on picking one up next month).
I'm not too interested in your response, as I've already written you as either someone with no real knowledge or long-term experience with games aka the neauveu-hardcore gamer, OR a Sony sad-loser-play-alone-in-my-parents-basement-lawl-n intendo-is-kiddy idiot fanboy. Plus I seriously doubt your taste in games and ability to appreciate games outside your prefered genres, even if you don't personally enjoy them.
So much for an intelligent discussion, but whatever..
Nethack, Tetris, any given MUD
When Tetris came out is was as graphically advanced as it was going to get. And I'm ignoring Nethack and MUDs since I thought we were talking about the games industry and not hobbyists.
Read some children's impressions of the original Legend of Zelda I'm sure they're great. Now find me a kid who'll spend 40 bucks on it.
Wii Sports is *the* game of last year. OK. How much did it cost? Wii Sports had no graphics because it had no budget. The gameplay wasn't great. What's innovative about baseball or tennis? The controller sold the game. Not the other way around.
Graphics are icing Which is exactly my point. If you're making a wonderfully designed and fun game, crap graphics can only hurt it. Improving the graphics doesn't magically make the game less fun to play. And making it look like shit doesn't make it more fun.
I don't know why you think I have something against Nintendo. I don't. I'm planning on pickup up a Wii as soon as I can find one. I understand why Nintendo didn't bump the graphics up on the console. It was to get the new features in at a price that was acceptable to them and to the public. Nintendo never said that in order to improve the gameplay, we need to degrade graphics. You're looking for a dichotomy that doesn't exist.
Actually, drinking age and voting age are unrelated. The voting age was lowered in 1971 in response to Vietnam. The National Minimum Drinking Age Act was passed in 1984 in response to pressure from MADD.
It's still a myth. If there's very few good designers for the hundreds or thousands of programmers who can make things pretty, the designers have the tools to make their wonderfully designed games pretty.
I can't think of one game with great gameplay that didn't also have great graphics (I'm sure there are some, I just can't think of any). I can think of a ton of games that looked great but had crap gameplay. But that just means that great designers are in short supply, not that gameplay and graphics are mutually exclusive.
Nintendo didn't need to keep the graphics of the Wii conservative to make the games fun. They would have been just as fun with improved graphics. They needed to do it to implement the new features and keep the system at a price point that would be acceptable.
First the PS3 has more features for that extra $200 which IMO are worth more than $200. (I own both, I'm not trying to play fanboy here)
Second the iPhone is hardly a new device. There's tons of devices like it everywhere. The difference is that Apple is putting their stamp on it with ease of use and getting those who don't normally buy fancy phones to get into it like they did with the iPod. They're good at evolving existing technologies and making them VERY user friendly. Not so much for innovation. (for consumer electronics. I know nothing about their computers).
Go ahead and tell your PHB (who I'm sure would have no problem expensing one for hisself) that you need a $600 iPhone to increase your productivity. Don't kid yourself. The iPone will be a toy just like most of the other consumer cell phones on the market.
Less of a toy than a PS3? Sure. But it's entertainment first with the iPhone.
I may be remembering the show wrong (I haven't seen it since season one), but I seem to recall a lot of Gil "knowing" who did it then finding evidence in order to say "I told you so". That was one of the reasons I quit watching.
Everyone has a right to have an opinion about anything. Most people do. It's just that neither the media nor the public cares what Joe the mechanic thinks. Put Brad Pitt or whoever in front of a microphone and people will listen for some reason. Don't blame the celebrities. They're generally just answering the questions of an interviewer. Blame your neighboors.
Everyone talks out of their asses. We chose who to put on stage.
I don't think you can call Turbografx and Neo Geo successful. They may have had good games, but a good sign of a console's failure is when the manufacturer quits making consoles.
I see a lot of reports of older people playing their kids' or grandkids' Wii which is great. But I'm curious to see how many of these non-gamers buy a system for themselves.
My father-in-law used to come over and play Crazy Taxi and a couple of other games on my Dreamcast often, but he'd certainly never buy one.
Hopefully, for Nintendo, these experiences will turn into sales instead of more visits to little Johnny's house.
I wouldn't be so sure. Fans of a company buy consoles at release, everyone else waits until there are games for it that are desired. Gears of War is going to sell a lot of 360s. I know it (and a few other games) have sold me and a few coworkers on the system.
But he wasn't complaining about wanting to do something different, he was complaining about having the time to do the same thing longer.
It's a completely different argument to say that "good gameplay only holds up for 25 hours" vs. "I only have time to play a game for 25 hours". I understand the first statement, but the second argument doesn't really make sense unless it's the last game you ever play.
It's like saying I don't have time to read War and Peace, so I'll read these other 10 novels.
VERY light. Depending how much they weigh, many people can burn that brushing their teeth for 20 minutes. Although I suspect their gums wouldn't appreciate it.
A: Nintendo is trying to rope in people who might have NEVER played a console game before in their ENTIRE LIFE
It seems to me that they're going to have a tough time with that if
Basically, you have to be really careful about how you position the sensor bar in relation to yourself and the TV. I'm not sure there is much science behind it, but you have to make sure to get the sensor bar centered horizontally and at the front of the TV, but it also needs to be perpendicular to the way that you are aiming the controller. If it's a little angled, then things get a little messed up. The other big thing is that if you have other sources of IR than the sensor bar (like the sun, or anything that is going to reflect the IR from the sensor bar) then you need mess with the sensitivity of the wiimote and possibly cover things up (a lot of people on the gamespot forums recommend covering up any theoretical glass coffee tables that are between you and the system).
is required. But good luck to them. An expanding gaming market isn't bad for anyone.
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It's probably just a matter of having used the PS controller for 10 years, but I don't see myself preferring the XBox controller any time soon.
The disc spinup is so damned loud. Most of my gameplaying takes place after the kids are put to bed so having my volume up to 90dB isn't really an option.
I hate replying to my own post, but I completely forgot that the 20gig ps3 doesn't come with wifi. So after a gold subscription you come out to about $50 ahead with the XBox. After two years your even, and after three you're in the hole $50. So whatever. I'd suggest just figuring out which games you want and pick the system that way.
Owning both I feel some of your points are a bit mistaken.
1. This is highly subjective. I prefer the ps3 controller (though I do miss rumble).
2. No question about it. XBox live is superior to the free PS3 offering. Now had MS offered a free, feature-stripped service like the Sony has, I would have taken that instead of paying $50.
3. Eh... the majority of console owners will never do anything but play games, so this isn't really a selling point to most people.
4. The 20 gig PS3 is the console which is comparable to the 360 premium, not the 60 gig. The only advantage the XBox has there is the inclusion of the component cables. If you're willing to go online, you can get HDMI for $10. So depending on your network setup, this is a wash. Me? I required wifi in my console so I would have made out the same had I purchased the 20 gig (I got the 60).
5. Smaller yes, but I think the PS3 looks nicer. Plus nothing is more annoying that a 360 with a disc in the drive. It's grating at 10 feet.
Now if I had to choose just one console? The 360. Without a doubt. But that's only NOW. In a year when Sony has built up a decent library of games like the 360 has, things may be different.
And I'm completely ignoring the Wii since that's competing on a different level than these two (planning on picking one up next month).
I'm not too interested in your response, as I've already written you as either someone with no real knowledge or long-term experience with games aka the neauveu-hardcore gamer, OR a Sony sad-loser-play-alone-in-my-parents-basement-lawl-n intendo-is-kiddy idiot fanboy. Plus I seriously doubt your taste in games and ability to appreciate games outside your prefered genres, even if you don't personally enjoy them.
So much for an intelligent discussion, but whatever..
Nethack, Tetris, any given MUD
When Tetris came out is was as graphically advanced as it was going to get. And I'm ignoring Nethack and MUDs since I thought we were talking about the games industry and not hobbyists.
Read some children's impressions of the original Legend of Zelda
I'm sure they're great. Now find me a kid who'll spend 40 bucks on it.
Wii Sports is *the* game of last year.
OK. How much did it cost? Wii Sports had no graphics because it had no budget. The gameplay wasn't great. What's innovative about baseball or tennis? The controller sold the game. Not the other way around.
Graphics are icing
Which is exactly my point. If you're making a wonderfully designed and fun game, crap graphics can only hurt it. Improving the graphics doesn't magically make the game less fun to play. And making it look like shit doesn't make it more fun.
I don't know why you think I have something against Nintendo. I don't. I'm planning on pickup up a Wii as soon as I can find one. I understand why Nintendo didn't bump the graphics up on the console. It was to get the new features in at a price that was acceptable to them and to the public. Nintendo never said that in order to improve the gameplay, we need to degrade graphics. You're looking for a dichotomy that doesn't exist.
Actually, drinking age and voting age are unrelated. The voting age was lowered in 1971 in response to Vietnam. The National Minimum Drinking Age Act was passed in 1984 in response to pressure from MADD.
It's still a myth. If there's very few good designers for the hundreds or thousands of programmers who can make things pretty, the designers have the tools to make their wonderfully designed games pretty.
I can't think of one game with great gameplay that didn't also have great graphics (I'm sure there are some, I just can't think of any). I can think of a ton of games that looked great but had crap gameplay. But that just means that great designers are in short supply, not that gameplay and graphics are mutually exclusive.
Nintendo didn't need to keep the graphics of the Wii conservative to make the games fun. They would have been just as fun with improved graphics. They needed to do it to implement the new features and keep the system at a price point that would be acceptable.
Well, it is the only way to be sure.
First the PS3 has more features for that extra $200 which IMO are worth more than $200. (I own both, I'm not trying to play fanboy here) Second the iPhone is hardly a new device. There's tons of devices like it everywhere. The difference is that Apple is putting their stamp on it with ease of use and getting those who don't normally buy fancy phones to get into it like they did with the iPod. They're good at evolving existing technologies and making them VERY user friendly. Not so much for innovation. (for consumer electronics. I know nothing about their computers).
Go ahead and tell your PHB (who I'm sure would have no problem expensing one for hisself) that you need a $600 iPhone to increase your productivity. Don't kid yourself. The iPone will be a toy just like most of the other consumer cell phones on the market.
Less of a toy than a PS3? Sure. But it's entertainment first with the iPhone.
I may be remembering the show wrong (I haven't seen it since season one), but I seem to recall a lot of Gil "knowing" who did it then finding evidence in order to say "I told you so". That was one of the reasons I quit watching.
Ok, but that's irrelevant since you can't patch a PS2 game.
Everyone has a right to have an opinion about anything. Most people do. It's just that neither the media nor the public cares what Joe the mechanic thinks. Put Brad Pitt or whoever in front of a microphone and people will listen for some reason. Don't blame the celebrities. They're generally just answering the questions of an interviewer. Blame your neighboors.
Everyone talks out of their asses. We chose who to put on stage.
at least the 360 has its act together
A year after it's release, yes the 360 has its act together. And if you're not buying either, why do you care how the downloader behaves?
because there isn't enough partisan bullshit in gaming already.
I don't think you can call Turbografx and Neo Geo successful. They may have had good games, but a good sign of a console's failure is when the manufacturer quits making consoles.
I see a lot of reports of older people playing their kids' or grandkids' Wii which is great. But I'm curious to see how many of these non-gamers buy a system for themselves.
My father-in-law used to come over and play Crazy Taxi and a couple of other games on my Dreamcast often, but he'd certainly never buy one.
Hopefully, for Nintendo, these experiences will turn into sales instead of more visits to little Johnny's house.
I wouldn't be so sure. Fans of a company buy consoles at release, everyone else waits until there are games for it that are desired. Gears of War is going to sell a lot of 360s. I know it (and a few other games) have sold me and a few coworkers on the system.
But he wasn't complaining about wanting to do something different, he was complaining about having the time to do the same thing longer.
It's a completely different argument to say that "good gameplay only holds up for 25 hours" vs. "I only have time to play a game for 25 hours". I understand the first statement, but the second argument doesn't really make sense unless it's the last game you ever play.
It's like saying I don't have time to read War and Peace, so I'll read these other 10 novels.
Psst...
You don't have to buy all of them at once.
you need a good game to begin with, thats why a lot of MMOs are not making a lot of money, they're not good enough.
That's because most of the MMOs out there are in fact botched products only rushed out to make a buck.
Don't forget about your now-increased cost of supporting multiple operating systems. That one-time payment of 50k is going to disappear quickly.
VERY light. Depending how much they weigh, many people can burn that brushing their teeth for 20 minutes. Although I suspect their gums wouldn't appreciate it.
A: Nintendo is trying to rope in people who might have NEVER played a console game before in their ENTIRE LIFE
It seems to me that they're going to have a tough time with that if
Basically, you have to be really careful about how you position the sensor bar in relation to yourself and the TV. I'm not sure there is much science behind it, but you have to make sure to get the sensor bar centered horizontally and at the front of the TV, but it also needs to be perpendicular to the way that you are aiming the controller. If it's a little angled, then things get a little messed up. The other big thing is that if you have other sources of IR than the sensor bar (like the sun, or anything that is going to reflect the IR from the sensor bar) then you need mess with the sensitivity of the wiimote and possibly cover things up (a lot of people on the gamespot forums recommend covering up any theoretical glass coffee tables that are between you and the system).
is required. But good luck to them. An expanding gaming market isn't bad for anyone.
Yeah, but I'm curious as to why the cops were even looking at his CC.
he manopolizes it
That was intentional, wasn't it?