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What Does Your Dead Man's Switch Do?

LqdEngineer asks: "How many of you use or have used a Dead Man's Switch designed to perform some action if you don't check in for a certain amount of time? Recently, I decided to put one together using MySQL and some cron jobs, but I wanted to see what others have their switches set up to do in the event you fail to check in. E-mails to loved ones? Send encryption keys to friends/family? Hate mail to your boss? Has anyone ever been on the receiving end of the results of such a system?"

310 comments

  1. Wives and Other DMSs by P(0)(!P(k)+P(k+1)) · · Score: 5, Funny

    From TFS:

    I decided to put [a dead man's switch] together using MySQL and some cron jobs . . . .

    I'll counter with my own ask-ask-slashdot: why would you use MySQL? It's only one more component to fail after you've expired.

    My advice: lose the extraneous components; and get a wife, too: they come with a redundant dead man's mechanism.

    1. Re:Wives and Other DMSs by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 5, Funny

      they come with a redundant dead man's mechanism
      they come with a redundant dead man's mechanism
      they come with a redundant dead man's mechanism

      hmmm. Now I think I understand what's in the nightstand drawer.

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      Fascism trolls keeping me up every night. When I starts a preachin', he HITS ME WITH HIS REICH!
    2. Re:Wives and Other DMSs by kjart · · Score: 3, Funny

      and get a wife, too: they come with a redundant dead man's mechanism

      You've clearly never been married or else you'd realize that the need for a dead man's switch rises dramatically in the years following ;)

    3. Re:Wives and Other DMSs by P(0)(!P(k)+P(k+1)) · · Score: 2, Funny

      [Y]ou'd realize that the need for a dead man's switch rises dramatically . . . .

      Ah, but that's the double sens of “dead man's mechanism:” herald and agent of your unmaking.

      (At the very least, she unmade me a bachelor.)

    4. Re:Wives and Other DMSs by skinfaxi · · Score: 1

      Are you expecting your wife to murder you?

  2. Oh the irony. by imageboard · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. How fitting.

    1. Re:Oh the irony. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why does everyone has to quote that message in almost every story?

    2. Re:Oh the irony. by TheCrazyMonkey · · Score: 0, Redundant

      You're obviously new here

  3. There's only one thing it should do by TodMinuit · · Score: 3, Funny

    Blow up the building.

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    I wonder if I use bold in my signature, people will notice my posts.
    1. Re:There's only one thing it should do by zyl0x · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why, did someone take your stapler?

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      Blerg.
    2. Re:There's only one thing it should do by BecomingLumberg · · Score: 2, Funny

      No. Were that the case, he would burn down the building. Duh.

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      If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.-TJ
    3. Re:There's only one thing it should do by BoberFett · · Score: 1

      You're thinking small.

      You have to nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

  4. My gas pedal... by ForestGrump · · Score: 3, Funny

    When I take my foot off, it slows the car to a halt. Just kidding, cruise control gets around the situation.

    Grump

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    Is it true that more people vote for the winner of American Idol, than vote for the president? -Ali G.
    1. Re:My gas pedal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't take my foot off the gas pedal - if the bus goes below 55 mph, we'll all die!!!!!

    2. Re:My gas pedal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I can't take my foot off the gas pedal - if the bus goes below 55 mph, we'll all die!!!!!"

      Whoa

    3. Re:My gas pedal... by ajs318 · · Score: 4, Funny

      s/bus/milk float/
      s/55/4

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      Je fume. Tu fumes. Nous fûmes!
    4. Re:My gas pedal... by Macthorpe · · Score: 1

      Ah, Father Ted, how we miss thee.

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      "It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him." - Tolkien
    5. Re:My gas pedal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Ted, you forgot your brick!"

    6. Re:My gas pedal... by ultramk · · Score: 3, Funny

      "I would like to die peacefully in my sleep, like my grandfather. Not screaming in terror, like his passengers."

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      You catch enchiladas by picking them up behind the head and holding them underwater until they don't kick anymore -VeGas
    7. Re:My gas pedal... by TClevenger · · Score: 1

      Those women were in the nip!

  5. Halo. by headkase · · Score: 4, Funny

    Duh. Activate the rings and release the black hole from it's omni-magnetic retainer so it can eat Earth. No traces left.

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    Shh.
    1. Re:Halo. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      from it's omni-magnetic retainer

      "its".

    2. Re:Halo. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is there an international organization for obsessive-compulsive grammar Nazis? And do they all live to read Slashdot? I can't see how they have time, since they must be making a living as copyreaders. Everybody human occasionally makes a typo or a small grammar error. My theory is that all compulsive correctors like this were shortchanged in the genitals department. Perhaps we should respond to such commenters in kind with a terse "short dick?" (I am not the guy who was corrected, btw)

    3. Re:Halo. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only thing more irritating than grammar nazis are the people constantly moaning about grammar nazis.

    4. Re:Halo. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      And even worse, those bastards that complain about the people who constantly moan about grammar nazis.

    5. Re:Halo. by edward2020 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Whoa! Dude, I think you need a comma before your third quotation mark. Furthermore, depending on the style you're using (I like to use APA for Slashdot) the fourth quotation needs to include the period. :)

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  6. creates more deadmens switches by green+pizza · · Score: 5, Funny

    My deadman's switch is programmed to create a series of new deadmen's switches, each more complex than the last.

    1. Re:creates more deadmens switches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mine originally was set to send out notices to people letting them know how I really felt about them.

      Now I just tell them to their face. Less talking to people I don't like and more to people I do like.

  7. First things first by antifoidulus · · Score: 5, Funny

    delete all the porn!

    1. Re:First things first by Garridan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Why? If it's illegal, you won't get caught once you're dead. Unless, of course, you believe in heaven & hell -- and from what I hear, God already knows, so hiding it won't do you any good.

    2. Re:First things first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about your legacy? You don't care about what your mom/daughter/sister/wife thinks about you when you are gone? I wouldn't want anyone talking about what a porno freak I was after I am gone. But that is why I don't have porn or a need for a DMS.

    3. Re:First things first by lukas84 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When you're gone, you're gone. The world is meaningless, because you no longer exist.

    4. Re:First things first by ElaborateCalculator · · Score: 5, Funny

      Mod parent up:
      +1 Solipsist

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      --darren
    5. Re:First things first by rammer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What a sadly egoist world view you have.

      World may be meaningless to you. You are dead. You, in effect, do not exist anymore. But the world does not stop existing simply because you expire.
      You are not the center of the universe. You are merely an almost infinitesimal part of the big, grand, large, larger than life universe.

      Children are naturally egoist. You are 22. What is your excuse? :)

    6. Re:First things first by Garridan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Logically, why *should* you care what people people think of you when you're dead? I do my best to do the right thing, so that I might get the recognition that I deserve while I'm alive. If I die, and people say, "whoah, what a great guy!" or "man that dude was an asshole!", it doesn't make a difference to me.

      Now, something like a will can have a significant impact on the people you love... so I definately see the benefit to helping them out, even if they don't know about it while you're alive. But cleaning up some potentially embarassing portion of your life after you die? Not seeing it.

    7. Re:First things first by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 1

      I take it you're not planning on getting life insurance, because when you're dead, well, then who cares about the kids?

    8. Re:First things first by Al+Dimond · · Score: 1

      Sure, the world does not stop existing. That doesn't mean I should care if people think I'm an asshole. If people think I'm an asshole when I'm alive this could conceivably cause me problems. Once I'm dead, well, if I was an asshole (or a porn fiend, as seems to be the center of this discussion) then people might as well know the truth, right?

    9. Re:First things first by sumdumass · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Logicly thinking, it is more deeper then that. But lets not forget the reasons for a deadmans switch could be for more then death. Imagine your arested because of a fling that started in an internet chat room and turned out to be some cop posing as a 13 year old girl except that that was never discused in the chatroom and the cop is just saying that because they want the glory of catching a child preditor.

      But imagine that you somehow discover something that will save mankind from it's inevitable demise. Lets suppose this breakthru in whatever is so wild it has to work and it will end all war, famine, discrimination, global warming, whatever. Now lets say some drunk driver hits you and you die right after releasing this information to the public. Then they go back to find out more information and find volumes of porn, plots to over throw the government, conspiracy therories about 9/11 being an inside job and so on. They now decide your a nutcase and never consider your discovery.

      Now lets make things even worse by adding that you don't know it will save mankind and only the person taking over your job, settling your estate, looking after your kids, whatever, discovers it and see the relevence but after weeding thru the rest of the BS determins it to be some nutjob stuff that would never be feasable.

      There are many examples of how we (or the person doing it) had no clue about how important thier life was to some cause until years after their death. Would you want to be the person that could have made a difference in whatever you were pasionate about in life but discounted because of what was left for people to see?

    10. Re:First things first by lukas84 · · Score: 3, Funny
      You are not the center of the universe. You are merely an almost infinitesimal part of the big, grand, large, larger than life universe.
      Correct. Thus, my death will have little consequence to the world as a whole.

      Whatever these little consequences are, they can't concern me anymore, since i'm already dead.

      Even the (hypothetical) people i love don't have any consequence to me anymore, since i'm dead. Death is The End.

      This thinking can, of course, lead to amoral decisions, and that's why we have invented religion :)
    11. Re:First things first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Having kids is a waste of money anyway.

    12. Re:First things first by Tatarize · · Score: 0

      Crap! I thought Dead Man Switches were for lamers!

      *starts coding*

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      It is no longer uncommon to be uncommon.
    13. Re:First things first by rammer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This thinking can, of course, lead to amoral decisions, and that's why we have invented religion :) I would say it will lead to amoral decisions. Because the core beliefs you have guide your decisions even if you are not aware of them or the fact that they influence your decisions.

      I don't subscribe to any religious beliefs. I believe that when I die I decompose slowly due to food preservatives in my body but decompose none the less. But still I care about what kind of a world I leave for my children.

      I care enough for the people around me that I try to do the right thing. So that when I die the world will be a better place for the almost infinitesimal part that I have influence over. We would still probably be hunter/gatherers if we were all egoists.

      It's not about consequences to me I'm worried about after I die. I'm worried about the consequences to others. As a thanks to previous generations I pay it forward.

      Have some children. They will really shift your world view. And everything else in the process.

    14. Re:First things first by rawtatoor · · Score: 4, Funny

      Then they go back to find out more information and find volumes of porn,

      If they aren't down my life's passion of snuff films, poop sex and tentacle porn then let em starve.

    15. Re:First things first by bofkentucky · · Score: 1, Funny

      You never saw the Man Show, they had a fake ad that in tone sounded like a life insurance spot, but the premise was, as a single guy you're going to leave shit behind your family doesn't need to see. If you have their service, Adam and Jimmy would come over and replace your den of filth, porn, and booze with a clean house, bibles and pictures of Jesus on the wall. My youtube-fu is weak, but it's funny shit.

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    16. Re:First things first by lukas84 · · Score: 1
      I care enough for the people around me that I try to do the right thing.


      What is the right thing? There are various definitions of this. For a hedonist, this may be "whatever is fun for me and doesn't harm others". For a radical islamist, this might be "kill all the hetens".

      You still have your own moral code, which you defined through some means and try to follow it as good as you can. I don't think that this is the wrong thing to do, i just think that it is pointless.

      Our lives here on earth serve no purposes. We just exist, some of us reproduce, and then we all die. That's it. No reason. No goal. No points.

      Have some children.


      I don't think so. Even if i probably would find a woman desperate enough to have sex with me, i have no real intention to waste my money on kids. It's an 18 year obligation with no legal means of cancelling the obligation. It wastes money like nothing else. And then, these children might meet people like me on the internet.
    17. Re:First things first by qwijibo · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's much more likely that someone will discover a way to wipe out humanity than save it. In that case, do you really want someone to continue the work?

      Anyway, with such an elaborate conspiracy theory, I'm disappointed that you haven't considered that the person was deliberately whacked. Anyone who finds an end to war, famine, etc would put millions of people out of work. Of course, there are the evil overlords who would like to see the guy whacked to maintain the status quo, but there are many more people who would do it because they don't want to see their entire town go through the loss of a major industry, like happened with Detroit. There's nothing more dangerous than people who have nothing to lose.

      If the person who settles your estate doesn't recognize the value of your work and you haven't bothered to share it with those who do, then you're planning for the information to be lost at some point. A plan has to have more than one good idea - it has to have momentum to get going, and someone who keeps it all to themselves lacks that.

    18. Re:First things first by Eivind · · Score: 0, Redundant
      Why ? It's an honest question.

      Are you ashamed of being the person you infact are ?

      Do you feel you *should* be ashamed if you're the kind of person that enjoys looking at porn ?

      Do you pretend to be someone else than you actually are, in effect carrying a mask even for your closes, loved ones ?

      You even wish to preserve this mask in death -- prefering that people think of you as the person you pretended to be your entire life, rather than as the person you actually where ? (And let's be frank: most people close to you probably saw trough the mask decades ago. But offcourse, they're gonna play a farse too and pretend they didn't.) Why ?

      Isn't that a horribly sad way to live your life ?

      Alone, hidden behind a mask, ashamed, allowing noone to see the real you ?

      Here's a tip: You're not that bad. Stop being ashamed for being a normal human being. Your sexuality is part of that. Just because thousands of years old religious crap says it's a sin to be human, doesn't mean you should fall for it.

    19. Re:First things first by ajs318 · · Score: 1

      When in doubt, repeat this mantra:

      "What other people think of me is none of my business."

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      Je fume. Tu fumes. Nous fûmes!
    20. Re:First things first by shotgunsaint · · Score: 1

      This reminds me of something I saw on the Man Show oh-so long ago. It was a fake commercial for a post-mortem "clean up" service. After you die, they swing in through your windows like the SWAT team, pick up your pR0n, your dirty toys, your geeky toys, and your bong, and replace them with family photos and bibles. Cut to Adam Corolla's parents picking a book up from the coffee table... "Ahhh.... Adam's bible."

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      The future isn't here until I can type "car keys" into Google and have it say "You left them in your pants last night."
    21. Re:First things first by pla · · Score: 1

      delete all the porn!

      Hey, I worked hard to build up my well-organized archive of porn! Why the hell would I want to go and delete it???

      Now, if not for the massive bandwidth involved, I'd want my deadman's script to send a copy to all my male relatives for their... um... amusement.

      And unlike the vast majority of long-forgotten dead, I'd have a dozen or so people remember me greatfully at least a few times a week. ;-)

    22. Re:First things first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but he doesn't want his friends to know that he was into goatse, tubgirl, and beecock.

    23. Re:First things first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But the world does not stop existing simply because you expire.

      I disagree. You apparently don't realize this, but I'm the only truly sentient being in the entire universe. Everything else is just a series of chemical and physical reactions that I'm here to observe. After I die, what happens to you matters no more than what happens to some random rock flying through space.

      It's ok that you think it's "sad." You don't have any choice other than to think that way. There are a few people who've figured that out; they called it "fate." I think it's a pointlessly amusing reaction. It's sad that you don't realize that, when I'm not observing you, there's no point to your existence.

    24. Re:First things first by pla · · Score: 1

      You are not the center of the universe. You are merely an almost infinitesimal part of the big, grand, large, larger than life universe.

      Exactly - It doesn't matter how good or bad I've lived, how rich or poor my finances, how powerful or insignificant my influence. For most of us, only our closest friends and relatives will have any memory of us at all a decade after we die, and we'll effectively cease to have ever existed within a century. Even for rich and powerful, a millenium will suffice to forget us. And for the most famous of us, the greatest of the great? Well, other than myth, humans have no reliable records (except anonymous corpses from peat bogs) of individual people more than 5k or so years ago.

      And we have another four billion years to go (and peat bogs don't do well with global warming).



      Children are naturally egoist. You are 22. What is your excuse?

      Not having delusions about the meaninglessness of all our lives does not count as egotistic. Thinking that my life will have mattered a century from now does. Care to give your excuse?

    25. Re:First things first by way2trivial · · Score: 2, Insightful

      all true wealth is biological.

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    26. Re:First things first by Psmylie · · Score: 1
      They would recieve it, start going through it, and it would be like this:

      "Got it, got it, got it, that's new, got it, got it... gross, delete that! Got it, got it... is that even legal?!"

      Anyway, I think it would be a comfort to most people to think that, after they're gone, people don't think of them as a massive pervert. Thus, deleting the porn :)

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    27. Re:First things first by El+Torico · · Score: 1
      When you're gone, you're gone. The world is meaningless, because you no longer exist. - lukas84

      ...the world does not stop existing simply because you expire. - rammer

      You're both right; I don't see the basis of an argument here.

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      In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is usually crucified.
    28. Re:First things first by paltemalte · · Score: 1

      delete the porn? why, my DMS is a mechanism to burn all my porn to dvd:s and automatically snailmail it away, equally distributing it among my friends and family. all the regular porn to my sister, the scat porn to my mom and dad and the beastiality to my friends overseas etc.

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      Sam has one liberty, which he sacrifices for one security. Can you tell me what Sam has now?
    29. Re:First things first by virg_mattes · · Score: 1

      > Logicly thinking, it is more deeper then that.

      Notwithstanding that your post is about an amazingly unlikely edge case, this sentence alone is enough to turn me off. Sense the irony here?

      Seriously, though, the likelihood that your affairs are so valuable that it's important to get your knowledge base publicized but so embarassing that those discoveries are going to prevent it is so small that considering it in a deadman switch plan is not worth the effort. I'm with the OP in this. If your porn collection (or whatever) gets found after you're dead, it's unlikely to be so damaging that you need to plan for its destruction in the event of your incapacitation.

      Virg

    30. Re:First things first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      World may be meaningless to you. You are dead. You, in effect, do not exist anymore. But the world does not stop existing simply because you expire.
      You are not the center of the universe. You are merely an almost infinitesimal part of the big, grand, large, larger than life universe.


      That's mighty big talk for a figment of my imagination.

    31. Re:First things first by LordEd · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The trick to the whole heaven & hell thing is acquiring people's souls. Go to a bar and you could probably convince somebody to see you one for a beer. I always state that my terms for a small loan of whatever is their eternal soul as collateral.

      Basically, if it turns out religion is right, you now have some negotiable material to barter with should you wind up going the wrong direction. If religion turns out to be wrong and you just fade to dust, then you aren't in a position to worry about it anymore either.

    32. Re:First things first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah - like Tesla. What a nutbar... I hate it when people rant and rave about him being a genius. A real genius is someone like Richard C. Hoagland, recipient of the Angstrom Award!

    33. Re:First things first by Monkelectric · · Score: 4, Funny

      It is so rare that one solipsists meets another.

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      Religion is a gateway psychosis. -- Dave Foley

    34. Re:First things first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is an interesting plot. When is your movie coming out in theaters?

    35. Re:First things first by DorkusMasterus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Mod Parent Up! (Honestly, it's even RARER to see someone use solipsism correctly, especially in a joke situation!)

    36. Re:First things first by C10H14N2 · · Score: 1

      "You are merely an almost infinitesimal part of the big, grand, large, larger than life universe." Oddly enough, that was his point.

    37. Re:First things first by MarkGriz · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Having kids is a waste of money anyway."

      Can't get laid, eh?

      Cheer up, someday your princess will come.

      --
      Beauty is in the eye of the beerholder.
    38. Re:First things first by maxume · · Score: 1

      Note that the primary mechanism of many food preservatives is to retard oxygenation. (Bio)Chemically, they appear very much like all those antioxidants we are supposed to be eating to protect us from cancer.

      Mostly, you won't rot because corpses that get viewed are pumped full of disinfectant to make the process more tolerable and coffins keep out worms.

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    39. Re:First things first by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Whatever these little consequences are, they can't concern me anymore, since i'm already dead...This thinking can, of course, lead to amoral decisions, and that's why we have invented religion :)

      The fact that consequences of your death can't concern you when you're dead, in no way means that reasonably foreseeable post-mortem consequences should not concern you now.

      That's why even people who don't believe in any sort of "afterlife" still buy life insurance to take care of their kids.

      You don't need any sort of supernatural belief to end up with behavior that most people would call "moral", just some compassion and a reasonable ability to foresee the consequences of your actions.

      Which takes me off on a bit of a tangent...

      Foreseeing the effects of our actions is of obvious use; if you can't do that to at least some degree, you'll quickly end up dead or institutionalized.

      But compassion? What's in it for me, you wonder.

      Cultivating compassion expands the self. We're pretty darn sure that the human body known as "Lukas Beeler" is eventually going to stop functioning and in some way dissolve (rot in the ground, be burned up, eaten by squirrels, whatever). If you completely identify "yourself" as "Lukas Beeler", well, then, that's it for you. Maybe you can tickle the pleasure centers of that lump of meat a little bit before it dissolves, but that seems an unsatisfactory goal.

      But is identifying "yourself" as "Lukas Beeler" the only option? Throughout history, some people - people who seem to derive a great deal more contentment from life than the average Joe - have suggested that transpersonalization provides a more satisfactory experience. This means identifying "yourself" as more than "Lukas Beeler".

      By "more than", I do not mean anything supernatural, I am not speaking of a "soul" or anything metaphysical like that. But what if, for example, you were to invest a portion of your own concept of identity into your family? Unless all your relatives are childless, your family will outlast your body, so that "you" might have a larger and longer existence than the body of "Lukas Beeler".

      What if you were to invest your identity into your community, your city or your nation? That's an even larger and longer existence. Perhaps we have here a sensible argument for patriotism. But why stop there, when by identifying "yourself" with the whole human race, "you" get even bigger and longer-lived?

      Now, hold on there, you ask. How in world am I supposed to accomplish this "investment of identity" that you're going on about? Well, it means to think of yourself as these other people. It's an exercise of imagination, to see things through their eyes, to feel what they feel. With that exercise, eventually it can be seen that the ordinary idea of "self" is just a mental construct, just an idea, not an immutable reality.

      In other words, compassion is the tool and the method to get You out of you, the "big You" of consciousness out of the "small you" of flesh.

      Indeed, if you get good at it, you may find that you can see "yourself" not just in other humans, but in other animals; in the trees; in the whole biosphere. Expanding "yourself" until not much identity is left connected with the body known as "Lukas Beeler".

      And maybe you can keep going. Eventually you might find yourself worrying about the heat death of the observable Universe, billions of years in the future, as your end, instead of the dissolution of "Lukas Beeler" in a few decades. That's a pretty massive trade-up. And if you get that far, it's comforting to consider that cosmology seems more and more to be considering some sort of "multi-verse" scheme in which our observable Universe is only a part; there's still more to become.

      "A human being is a part of a whole, called by us 'universe', a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the re

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      Tom Swiss | the infamous tms | my blog
      You cannot wash away blood with blood
    40. Re:First things first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or perhaps you wish to save your remaining family and friends some sort of embaresment... unless of course you really don't care about them or anyone else, which is probably the case.

    41. Re:First things first by lukas84 · · Score: 1

      I'm impressed by your writing (especially the embedded NLP). But there are different types of people in the world.

      The type of people you write about have other people that depend on them (children etc.). Thats not the case in my situation. When i die, nobody will care deeply. My company will find a replacement, and everyone else will continue in their life, undisturbed (after grieving for the socially required period of time).

      I'm a simple person with no special knowledge. No one will remember me. And that's the case with most of the other people in the world (though most of them don't want to acknowledge that fact). Even if they have children, most people are meaningless in the long run.

      They just work, consume, procreate and die.

    42. Re:First things first by Scuff · · Score: 1

      so when a solopsist posts on slashdot, or even interacts with the world in general, is it Schizophrenia? He is apparently either talking to himself or a nonexistent entity.

    43. Re:First things first by LearnToSpell · · Score: 2, Funny

      Only if you've got 'em working in the salt mines.

    44. Re:First things first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody wants to find their recently deceased mom's vibrator.

      Pick a trusted friend or family member and form a tontine. When one dies the other immediately cleans out anything the deceased doesn't want to be found. Such partners need to live relatively nearby, have keys to each others houses and know exactly where the offending shoebox and/or computer folders are.

      I call it "Porn Before You Mourn".

    45. Re:First things first by Kazymyr · · Score: 1

      They can if they have multiple personalities disorder.

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    46. Re:First things first by The+One+and+Only · · Score: 1
      But the world does not stop existing simply because you expire.

      Care to tell me how I can tell the difference?

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    47. Re:First things first by skinfaxi · · Score: 1

      Probably a good idea. You don't want to break your wife/girlfriend/parent's heart.

    48. Re:First things first by fyngyrz · · Score: 1
      Have some children.

      Just make sure you cook them properly. Humans are like pork; "rare" meals are not advisable. Hence the appellation, "long pork."

      Actually, I love kids. They're like slinkies(tm.) You can't help but smile as you see one tumble down the stairs.

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    49. Re:First things first by kchrist · · Score: 1

      Deleting the porn would break my GF's heart. Half of it's hers!

    50. Re:First things first by kchrist · · Score: 1

      Speak for yourself. My SO and I expect to live long, healthy, and happy lives without procreating. Not only do we not have the burden of dependents, we have the money and freedom to travel, pick up and move, or whatever else we want.

      Not everyone is defined by their children.

    51. Re:First things first by Ifni · · Score: 1

      I have this experiment you can perform, but you'll have to listen carefully, because you only get one shot...

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      Oh, was that my outside voice?

    52. Re:First things first by curunir · · Score: 1

      Heh...my subconscious has a pretty good sense of humor.

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    53. Re:First things first by edward2020 · · Score: 1

      "And then, these children might meet people like me on the internet." Mod up for "creepy."

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    54. Re:First things first by orkysoft · · Score: 1

      Why aren't more people solipsists?

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    55. Re:First things first by GrahamCox · · Score: 1

      Have some children. They will really shift your world view. And everything else in the process.

      Maybe so, but this is Slashdot after all... So what's Plan B?

    56. Re:First things first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And it's pretty clear which type of person you've decided you are destined to be - and will therefore become. Would you like some mp3s of sad violins?

    57. Re:First things first by WobindWonderdog · · Score: 1

      Just not in this castle =(

    58. Re:First things first by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1
      I'm a simple person with no special knowledge. No one will remember me. And that's the case with most of the other people in the world (though most of them don't want to acknowledge that fact). Even if they have children, most people are meaningless in the long run.

      Must a life have "meaning" in order to be enjoyable and satisfactory? When I noodle around on my guitar, there's no meaning, but it's fun. When children spend the day making sand castles, knowing that they'll be gone when the tide comes in, they still spend hours playing at it. What's the meaning of a snow angel, or of the tune I whistle while waiting for water to boil on the stove?

      There's an old Calvin and Hobbes cartoon where Calvin asks, "What if there's no afterlife? Suppose this is all we get?" Hobbes looks around, thinks for a minute, and replies, "Oh, what the heck. I'll take it anyway." (And Calvin continues, "Yeah, but if I'm not going to be eternally rewarded for good behavior, I'd sure like to know NOW.")

      The same idea goes for a "meaningless" life: what the heck. I'll take it anyway.

      Hindus call the idea "lila" - the universe is the "purposeless play", the "spontaneous game".

      If coming at it from that direction doesn't help you, consider the question of just what it means to have a "meaningful" life. Is it just passing on your genes? Then Issac Newton had a meaningless life. Is it being remembered after you die? That makes the whole thing just a popularity contest, like picking the homecoming queen. I'm not willing to leave the "meaning" of my life (if any) in the hands of what other people do.

      The question of the meaning of life is not one that is answered by objective science. There's no organelle in a cell that creates meaning the way ribosomes create proteins, no "coefficient of meaning" in quantum electrodynamics.

      If "meaning" is anything, is part of our subjective experience. That means that if you really want a meaning for your life, you get to decide what it is, then set about making it happen.

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    59. Re:First things first by sumdumass · · Score: 1
      nyway, with such an elaborate conspiracy theory, I'm disappointed that you haven't considered that the person was deliberately whacked.
      I thought about that then figured that if the person was whacked, then most of the information on the miricle that will save us all would be whacked too. And your probably corect in it doing more harm then good over the course of the lifetime. Look at all Nikola Tesla has done and how his research is just now being rediscovered and re-explored to be put in place to solve our global warming issues. After all he did invent the first electric car. Modern compact Xrays machines, electrical induction motors, alternating current, Radar, radio transmiters and loud speakers to name a few. Of course none of these really took of untill some considerable time after he made the breakthrews.

      the person who settles your estate doesn't recognize the value of your work and you haven't bothered to share it with those who do, then you're planning for the information to be lost at some point. A plan has to have more than one good idea - it has to have momentum to get going, and someone who keeps it all to themselves lacks that.
      Tesla was considered a cook most of his later life. There are other examples of this with other people too. It is often years after something is discovered before it is usefull and it doesn't really need momentum to maintain it. There was no momentum for color television. The sets were expensive, the cameras were even more expensive they even made black and white movies for 20 or 30 years after color TV was introduce as a part of normal movie making. But when it did catch on, it took off like a storm. Now I doubt anyone in thier right mind would by a black and white TV on purpose unless it is some small occasional use television for specific purposes(like in a garage or something. Who knows, in 10 years, you might think of a way to harness low rpm power from a turbine engine marking them more efficient and practicle for automotive or home electric generation use by trying to fix your garbage disposal in the kitchen.

      So just because it is unlikely your going to do something now doesn't mean you won't in the future. Great things have been discovered by accident and even greater things have caught on years after they have been discovered.
    60. Re:First things first by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Well, We don't have to take it that far.

      What if you start telling stories about your work experiences and fishing stories to your kids and they write it down as a memorial after you pass on, publish it in a book and try to get it published. This not only honors you but puts food on the table for them in book royalties. The publishers ask to see anything that could help edit it a little without detracting from what you have said, you hiers give them computer backups and when they discover 31 copies of "Disney fuck films" (yes there is porn with disney charectors out there) and the snuff films with the actresses who resemble the girls on the milk cartons and decides to not publish it after all. Then blame you for the snuffing and a law suit takes any money your kids might ever expect after your dead leaving them with a huge funeral expence and lawer fees.

      The best reason for killing this information might be not to protect yourself but those invovled with you.

    61. Re:First things first by rammer · · Score: 1

      What is the right thing? There are various definitions of this.

      There certainly are. You might take the hedonist way. Others will take the extremist route. Eventually evolution will weed out the most extreme ends. Just think of how far we have come as humanity in 6000 years for example, which is a fleeting moment evolution-wise.

      You still have your own moral code, which you defined through some means and try to follow it as good as you can. I don't think that this is the wrong thing to do, i just think that it is pointless.

      For you maybe. But not for the rest of us.

      Our lives here on earth serve no purposes. We just exist, some of us reproduce, and then we all die. That's it. No reason. No goal. No points.

      I like to think of it this way:

      Our lives only have the meaning that we create for ourselves. The goal in life is to create a goal and strive for it. Because without it, it really is pointless and you might as well die right now. But there is always something to do, to create, to nurture, to live for.

      Even if you are not tallied by some mythical wisp at the of your life does not make your life pointless.

      Have some children. I don't think so. That certainly is your right and maybe better for the rest of us. I do not know.

      And then, these children might meet people like me on the internet. Thanks for reminding me to teach my children about the dangers of Internet.
    62. Re:First things first by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Or perhaps you wish to save your remaining family and friends some sort of embaresment... unless of course you really don't care about them or anyone else, which is probably the case. Or it might not be that you're a spineless hypocrite when you're still ALIVE, so your family and friends know you like looking at pictures of naked women and watching naughty videos.

      If they don't like you because of it, well, the imperfection is theirs, now isn't it?
    63. Re:First things first by virg_mattes · · Score: 1

      You're arguing against the idea of edge cases by arguing that your kids might lose out on the returns from your posthumous memoirs? How is that not also an edge case? Again, it would require that a book deal be in the offing (a vanishingly small proposition) and that any secrets you have are bad enough to sour the deal. You'll have to pardon me for not thinking this is a compelling addition to your original argument.

      Virg

    64. Re:First things first by Garridan · · Score: 1

      Also, a large number rather famous people had records of homosexual affairs -- which, at the time, was as damning as kiddie porn is today. Did this forever keep their discoveries from the world? No. But people with insanely brilliant ideas were killed, like Galileo.

      Select few:
      Alan Turing
      DaVinci
      J. Edgar Hoover

      Really, I doubt it would make much of an impact. If your shit is brilliant, and people care enough to check, they will. Regardless of your taste in digital pictures.

    65. Re:First things first by skinfaxi · · Score: 1

      lol

    66. Re:First things first by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      It is the same as the first argument. Just changed enough to seem more realistic or plausible.

      The GP stated Logically, why *should* you care what people people think of you when you're dead? I gave two examples of how someones actions while alive but hidden if discovered after thier death could have a negetive impacton other that the GP had cared about.

      I mean a death isn't the only reasons for a deadmans switch either. The GP refered to "while i was alive" as justification of not caring about when he was dead. Imagine one day your driving home from work. Get a flat tire by a park with children are playing. Someone kicks a ball under your car while you are changing the the tire. A kid comes to retrieve the ball, you grab then telling her it is too dangerous to climb under the car while it is on a jack. You reach under and grab the ball, give it to her and then resume fixing your flat tire.

      Later that evening a drinken reletive of the kid going after the ball rapes her then in a panic kills her and dumps the body in a set of woods. Now the cops are looking for her. An amber alert was issued and everyone is trying to think of the last time they saw her. Someone comes forward and describes seeing your car in the area of her last public apearance. Someone else remebers seeing you grab her and pulling her towards you but nothign really more about it. It didn't even apear to be something unusual until the girl came up missing and they found out you weren't her father. They also remeber something distinct about your car that identifies you later that day on your way home from work. The cops grab you, question you and find hair matching the same color of the little girls on your jacket and car seat were it obviously fell from other cloathing. They get a warrant seach your home, grab your computer and anything else. Find out you have a server somewere.After several days and objections of your lawer they find volumes of porn and snuff movies on it. Then the girl is found, violated and dead but cleaned up enough to not leave any DNA. She even resembles a younger version of one of the girls in the snuff movie.

      Ok, This is an edge case too. But now the actions effect you too. It is all symtpomatic of someone drawing the wrong conclusions and in this case the only important thing lost is your freedom, possible life, and the justice of catching the correct killer or maybe stoping it from happening to someone else. With snuff films, I doubt there would be too much concerne over part of that. But now at your first court hearing, the father of the child, who was in a rage, burst into the court room and kills you. Later, evidence of what apears to be midget porn and animated incest porn (that was originaly a joke to a co worker) was found on a work computer you use. You cannot defend yourself. You now died with everyone convinced your guilty. The "kiddie porn" (midget porn and animated incest) convinces everyone your guilty and the real killer walks free.

      If the porn would have deleted in a week if you didn't log into the computer, Most of the damning evidence probably could have been avioded. You would likley remain a suspect but not the acused. If you doubt that could happen, just reread it without knowing the person with the flat tire or that a drunken reletive raped some little girl and see who you think is guilty.

      A deadmans switch isn't something you use to prepare for an everyday situation. Then It would be called a precaution. But to take it away from an edge example, lets asume you are married and are thinking of a divorce. You start selling things so the other half won't be getting them. Checked with a lawer and found you need to do this at least one year before the divorce is filed for. So you open an account under some llc or business name. Place the moeny in there and then hide it. Durring the divorce, you are in an accident that disables your and you are now a vegitable. Your wife tells them to pull the plug and you have two kids ages 6 and 9 who will be left pennyless. You h

    67. Re:First things first by virg_mattes · · Score: 1

      > Just changed enough to seem more realistic or plausible.

      My point is that you haven't presented a single case that I find either realistic or plausible. Sure, in all of these edge cases I can see where a properly designed deadman's switch might help, but in every case you presented a series of events would need to transpire that are extremely unusual, and on top of that the stuff you have to hide would also need to be somewhat horrific. That's not realistic.

      Virg

    68. Re:First things first by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Everything needs a set of circumstances to transpire. The fact you have a job and keep it requires a set of circumstances that might be different then that from others. Hell, In some cases people might find it highly unlikley that your job requirments would ever effect them. But simple stuff like sending out account passwords, pins and other usefull items to a planned executor of your estate might be a good reason if your dead. Maybe releasing the encryption keys to your PGP or drive encryption so cops or loved ones can determin that you were planning on meeting Sally22 from some chatroom the day of your disapearance.

      The thing is, there is a set of circomstances that defy normal oddities that would require a deadmans switch. Encryption keys, No one can access your computer or some stroage /device/container without them. So you set one up to send it when your not around. Obviously circumstances are that you wouldn't give this information out or why would it be encryopted in the first place. Porn, It isn't bad to have porn on your computer. It also isn't bad or out of the ordinary to see some midget porn when searching for regular porn. It is bad when your get acused of something you didn't do and the porn or encrypted files on your computer are what convicts you.

      There was some girl, a substitute teacher who had spyware popup pornagraphic pictures on her computer while giving a presentation to students and got convicted and faces 40 years imprisonment because some cop, not knowing how spyware and popups actualy work said you had to click in the link to goto the pages that were stored in her temp internet files directory. So maybe something that deletes that after a day or so of non interaction on the computer would be enough. I cannot sit here and think or every example of how a deadmans switch could benifit someone but take my word on this, If it was regular and predictable, you don't have to worry too much about it. It is when it becomes iregular and unpredictable that causes the problems.

      Just google teacher and porn - you will find an alarmingly large number of hits. Some of these might be nothing and some of them might be truely evil people that got caught. Part of me says they deserve what they get while the personal experience side says, i have seen people destroyed because someone put this and that together along with some false statment and they were automaticly guilty untill proven inocent. I know of a guy right now who is spending time in a federal penetentry for a murder that happened near his home while he was on vacation with us three states away. But he wrote a book, had people read it and the subject matter was murder simular to how the person was murdered and the cops said it was a plan to kill someone and he did it. Of couse Six people saying he was three states away and the so called murder plan was writen right after he was out of highschool 5 years before this didn't matter one bit.

    69. Re:First things first by virg_mattes · · Score: 1

      Firstly, nothing in your descriptions requires a deadman switch. If you want folks to know your passwords after you die or are incapacitated, try a safe deposit box. If you have incriminating stuff on your machine, encrypt it and then don't include those passwords in the list in your safe deposit box. If you get in trouble for something that you don't understand, like the teacher with the porn in her browser cache, how are you supposed to know it happened or know enough to eliminate it? Moreover, the jury didn't believe the defense, but there's no reason at this point to believe that they rejected it because they don't understand how spyware works. I've had people blame spyware for plenty of things in the past, and some of them were covering up. Without all of the details of the case, I can't make a clear call if that's what happened here.

      For the last, you'll need to provide a case file before I'll buy it, even in light of this case being entirely irrelevant since there's no deadman switch that would solve the problem presented. In the face of circumstantial evidence (the book) and reversing corroborating evidence (eyewitnesses placing the suspect out of range) there would have to be something you skipped to see a conviction. Even the worst public defender coudn't lose that case, and it would certainly never survive an appeal to an appellate judge. If he was convicted, then the case is public record, so cite it please.

      Virg

  8. What happens when you forget? by monkeypoo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What happens when five years from now, after the thrill of having something like this setup, you forget to check back in? Now you've got passwords and emails going around saying you've passed on? I'm sure grandma will love that email. Why not just use a system that isn't triggered until your death certificate becomes available. Set it and forget it.

    1. Re:What happens when you forget? by Bazman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "Why not just use a system that isn't triggered until your death certificate becomes available."

      Such as? Maybe you can leave a sealed note with whoever has your will, saying 'in the event of my death please visit this web page', then give a URL, username, and password, the visiting of which causes a server-side script to run and delete all your pr0n, hate-mail your boss, put your low-numbered slashdot account up on ebay for the benefit of your next of kin, and so on.

      Of course you'd have to make sure that URL was secured....

    2. Re:What happens when you forget? by daeg · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Agreed. There is a much better dead man's switch available, and it's called a living will and a lawyer who has the legal authority to open your safe deposit box in the bank once you pass on. It even has generations of legal precedent to help defend against greedy family members.

      You can even set it up with your lawyer to have him mail things out once you're dead -- including your encryption keys, letters to family, etc.

      And yes, I have been the recipient of such a letter. Many such letters, in fact. My great grandparents both wrote letters to the family describing our family history going back to roughly 1550-1600. Instead of sending them to us and us inevitably losing them, they wrote them to their estate lawyer, who held them until they both passed on. They are great reading and have been far more valuable tracing family history than the Internet or any books or libraries have gotten us.

    3. Re:What happens when you forget? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Why not just use a system that isn't triggered until your death certificate becomes available. Set it and forget it.
      Because then you will never have the chance to watch other peoples reactions to whatever your DMS does, if/when you forget to login for some time.
    4. Re:What happens when you forget? by Threni · · Score: 1

      > Why not just use a system that isn't triggered until your death certificate becomes available. Set it and forget it.

      Why not just forget the whole stupid idea? I never realised how many people believe themselves to be that important.

    5. Re:What happens when you forget? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It should probably be a bit more involved than just visiting the site, otherwise you are almost certainly going to be visited by a determined googlebot long before you have a reasonable chance to pass away either with or without self intention.

    6. Re:What happens when you forget? by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 1

      My great grandparents both wrote letters to the family describing our family history going back to roughly 1550-1600.. Instead of sending them to us and us inevitably losing them, they wrote them to their estate lawyer, who held them until they both passed on.

      Okay, it had great value to them... Obviously it also was to you, but if I'd get such a letter it would end up in a drawer somewhere never to be taken out. Somewhere down the line, I die and the things get burned together with the stuff that the guys from the cleanup-service take away to vacate my apartment.

      I have still not understood why it matters that in 1600 some slob married another slob and have gotten 13 kids, of which 5 died of the plague, 6 of tuberculosis and only two survived, one of which went into the orders and never had any kids of their own and the other finally married a next slob and repeated the circle.

      It simply doesn't ever matter...

    7. Re:What happens when you forget? by xtracto · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

      I dont like to study History. In fact, in primary, secondary and high school I was *really* bad at History (I can not just learn things by the book, I need to find some kind of reasoning).

      Having said that, I am completely aware of the value of history, which , if known by the current people(for example) would prevent lots of deaths and war.

      Now, what does your dead grandpa has to do with history?, well, history is not only what history books tell you. The history you read written on those books is what the WINNER of those events want you to believe.

      As a simple example, take the Mexican revolution (I am aware, as I am Mexican). Every Setpember, 16 Mexicans have a great party celebrating the revolution of Mexico but the fact is, that the revolution was not complete. And that, is one of the reasons why Mexicans are always in the middle of nothing, where nothing happens. It is a bit more complex than that but if you like, you could read this book review to know more about that.

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    8. Re:What happens when you forget? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I never realised how many people believe themselves to be that important.

      You'd probably also be surprised at the number of people who *do* think you're that important. Unless you really are as big an asshole as you sound...

    9. Re:What happens when you forget? by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 1

      The quote doesn't matter in this context. Genealogy is just lists (well, actually trees) of names dates (birth, marriages, divorces, deaths) and that's it. There is nothing to be remembered at all. No lesson, just names....

      My dead grandpa had much more value "for history" while alive and telling me about his experiences (WWII comes to mind, where one of my grandpas was in a concentration camp.) That's history, and interesting, but it is not interesting that he had 3 sisters and 1 brother and whom they married and how many children they had.

      That was the whole point of my post... Genealogy is a nice hobby but it has no use at all...

      My connection to my great-grand-father (which I have never known) is only genetical. He is as much of a stranger to me than the guy that posts to slashdot. Heck, about many slashdotters I know more than about my own great-grand-father. For my dad, his grand-father (and thus my great-grand-father) has more importance because he knew the guy and has heard stories from him. I am fully aware that for my children (I don't have any yet), my own father grand-father will have pretty much next to no importance. Heck, with the health of my father, I'm pretty sure my own father will have no importance to my children.

      You know that thing they say at funerals: "He will always be in our hearts". It's bollocks, when the hearts that knew the deceased have stopped beating, he will be forgotten too... and perhaps just remain a name on a genealogy list that has no meaning.

    10. Re:What happens when you forget? by k_187 · · Score: 1

      Because, if they hadn't mated and restarted the circle, you wouldn't be here.

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    11. Re:What happens when you forget? by Ceriel+Nosforit · · Score: 5, Funny

      So you won't sell your account until you're dead, huh...

      Excuse me, I need to make a few phone calls.

      You've got a nice account, by the way. Very nice...

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    12. Re:What happens when you forget? by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 1

      Evidently, but their names don't matter, their ages don't matter, nor does it matter if or when they were married or when they died.

      What matters is that they had a nice shag in the hay and a new life was created. That's it...

    13. Re:What happens when you forget? by arivanov · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I strongly suspect that the answer is about a slightly different form of dead man switch - the "fired man switch.

      There is only one possible recommendation to be said here: "Do not".

      First, your knowledge and capability are the best "dead" man switch you can have. If you need more than that you have failed in your professional objectives. Get real, sit down and get better at what you do.

      Second, what goes around, comes around. You never know whom are you going to meet in your next job. Even if you meant it to be a real "dead man switch", you never know whom are your descendants, students or friends going to meet in their next job.

      Third, if you leave a reasonable amount of time between the last check and firing the targets are likely to change, which will make the payload of the dead man switch misfire. You would either overdo it or fail to do it fully and leave traces. Either case is not in your favour. What may have been a harmless prank can become a crime which will be traced to you.

      So the recommendations are do not, do not and do not. Your will deposited with your bank or insurance company is a good enough dead man switch and you will be surely dead when it gets invoked.

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    14. Re:What happens when you forget? by SpiritusGladius1517 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The history you read written on those books is what the WINNER of those events want you to believe.

      Evidently you don't like to study history. If you did, you might have been familiar with a man named Thucydides. He was an Athenian general during the Peloponnesian War, who wrote the definitive account of that conflict. What's unique about his work, History of the Peloponnesian War , is that though it was written by an Athenian general, it was in fact the Spartans who were victorious. This means that the scholarly historical account we have of that war, which is one of the earliest works in the study of history, was written by the loser.

      The tripe about history always being written by the victors has been the rally cry of historical revisionists but has little truth to it. History has been and continues to be a much more scholarly endeavor than people think.

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    15. Re:What happens when you forget? by nuggetman · · Score: 1

      In the words of Henry Drumond in Inherit the Wind, "I hate to think of the state our education system would be in if we all had your driving curiosity"

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    16. Re:What happens when you forget? by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 1

      Well, evidently, I didn't waste my time researching useless facts and got an education...

    17. Re:What happens when you forget? by raluxs · · Score: 2, Informative

      Of course you don't like to study history.
      You should know that September 16th is DIA DE LA INDEPENDENCIA, Revolution day is November 20th.

      'Pa verguenzas ajenas no gana uno, chin.....

    18. Re:What happens when you forget? by maxume · · Score: 1

      In the abstract, it doesn't matter; in the nitty gritty, it could make you a king.

      To the extent that it connects me to the past, I think it is interesting. It is at least part of where I came from, and I find that part of it pretty interesting. The day to day impact on my life is certainly small, but you are headed down a road where either nothing matters at all, or you start picking things that matter; family is a good one to pick.

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    19. Re:What happens when you forget? by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 1

      Well, good luck having any advantage when you discover you're King. It's not as if they'll welcome you and hand the keys of the country to you on a silver platter ;-)

      I don't know if you read all my posts in this thread, but I assure you that I am a family man. I love my family and would go through fire for them... *but* I'm talking about my living "close" relatives: my brother, my sister, my parents. I also care about those I "legally joined", meaning my wife (Amazing: A married slashdotter) and her family.

      That said: I am realistic: those before me only matter because they gave me their genes. Their names are of no importance, nor where they lived, nor anything that they did (except conceive their kids) during their lifetimes. I very well know that those after me, will not care about who I was and that I posted on slashdot. Within two generations, my name will be forgotten. That's reality. A name on a genealogy list does not make "remembering".

      As for where do I come from? Does that really even matter? I know where my parents come from, I know I took another nationality: apart from my passport, I had no connection at all to the country of origin of my parents. That's why I had not much problems dropping it. My children won't even talk my mother tongue, because it would hinder their evolution within the local school system.

      In order to get into history books, you have to do something for (or against) humanity. Even then, you might be forgotten within a few 100 years.

    20. Re:What happens when you forget? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Every Setpember, 16 Mexicans have a great party Doesn't sound like much of a party to me ...
    21. Re:What happens when you forget? by green1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      that was actually my first thought as well... of course it didn't take long to come up with the solution, set up the same system to email YOU before it emails anyone else, if you've simply forgotten this will remind you and let you go check-in, and if you're dead it won't get a reply and will then go on doing it's business...

      I'm still not entirely sure I would set up such a system rather than simply writing a proper will and leaving the information with a trusted individual, however it is certainly not an insurmountable problem, and there could be benefits to such a system, if nothing else, some of the paperwork that people would need to settle my estate is on my computer, and I'd rather they don't spend a bunch of time cursing me for not having easy access to it while trying to both deal with the legal obligations and grieve at the same time...

    22. Re:What happens when you forget? by angst_ridden_hipster · · Score: 1

      Yeah?

      So when I learn that a significant number of ancestors on one branch of my family died of pernicious anemia, I should say "ah, fuck it. Doesn't matter, just so long as they shagged and procreated?"

      Or when I notice that those who stayed in certain Eastern European countries all died young due to murderous neighboring communities, while those who fled to places like the US lived into their 90s, I should just say "aw, fuck it. Weird how the dire dice of destiny roll, eh?"

      Do the names matter? Probably not -- except for helping unravel various genetic intertwinings. A name and a birth date can tell you a great deal. It can sometimes tell you regions of origin or religion.

      If you claim to believe that only the genetic component matters at all, this is still relevant (as theory indicates that genetics and health are tightly coupled).

      I, on the other hand, believe that the point of life is to live and gather stories to tell. Stories have more immediacy when you can say "this happened to me" or "this happened to my grandfather." The richness of the story comes from the detail, and the detail can come from familiarity.

      --
      Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachtani?
      www.fogbound.net
    23. Re:What happens when you forget? by Parsec · · Score: 1

      Google will only follow published links; afaik they aren't fuzzing URLs yet.

    24. Re:What happens when you forget? by pionzypher · · Score: 1

      For RL documents/items, absolutely. But what about your online presence? I'm trying to picture a lawyer signing on irc to say goodbye to everyone.. gah lost it.

      Most people don't give much thought to planning for that and my online aquantainces make up a good 15-20 percent of people I speak to on a regular basis. And I'm definitely skeptical handing a lawyer all of my passwords. Never mind that I usually change them frequently and would have to tell him/her every time I did.

      On the other hand, I royally suck at checking snail/email. My family would probably be getting "Ray is dead" emails monthly.

      --
      I'll believe in corporations having personhood when Texas executes one... - advocate_one
    25. Re:What happens when you forget? by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 1

      So when I learn that a significant number of ancestors on one branch of my family died of pernicious anemia

      Yes, so what? How does this have an effect on your life? Only thing I can think about is that you're more susceptible get pernicious anemia. There is a treatment for that now. (Did quick check on wikipedia, because I had no idea what that thing was) Sure, you can tell a doctor this so that diagnosis is easier. I might give you this one...

      Or when I notice that those who stayed in certain Eastern European countries all died young due to murderous neighboring communities, while those who fled to places like the US lived into their 90s

      This only means that you are most probably offspring of those that fled to the US. You are most probably Jewish, because they have been persecuted pretty much everywhere with more or less brutality. (WWII being the most notable, but don't underestimate pogroms, etc...) You knew that already by just checking where you live. Those that died did not matter to your life in the first place.

      only the genetic component matters at all, this is still relevant (as theory indicates that genetics and health are tightly coupled

      Sure, but you'll find that out from your parents or grandparents. The people that did matter to you in the first place (I never said that no ancestor matterd, just those that you know personally). Genetic diseases that are so rare that they only pop up every 5 generations or so are neglibile... unless you are a doctor and research these things.

      A name and a birth date can tell you a great deal. It can sometimes tell you regions of origin or religion.

      Sure, a name can tell you this... but the origin nor the religion of your ancestor matters. It might be interesting to you, but if I'd find out that one of my ancestors was from India and a Hindi, what changes for me? Absolutely nothing.

      Stories have more immediacy when you can say "this happened to me" or "this happened to my grandfather." The richness of the story comes from the detail, and the detail can come from familiarity.

      Ah, but you only went back to your grandfather. Tell me a story about that ancestor in 1572 who lived in Prague (just inventing things here, pick one of your favourite distant ancestors) and I'll give you this point. Your grandfather doesn't matter in this context because most probably you knew the guy and he could tell you his stories personally. I know pretty much nothing about the lives of my great-grand-parents. Sure, I heard some stories which were mostly of the entertaining kind and I know about two catchphrases that one of my great-grand-mothers used. Those are still in wide use in the family, though in my line of the family those will die out: they are untranslatable to the language I use daily. From another great-grand-father, I know that he used to make country wine which he called "ambrasco". Of course, this is again such an untranslatable (but funny) name. I can tell these stories to my kids, but due to translation, it will neither be funny nor memorable. So, the only two that I never knew personally and only through stories will die with me.

    26. Re:What happens when you forget? by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      That's actually a good point. Most of my RL friends and family are fairly clueless computer-wise, and even if I left instructions about my various online IDs, passwords, and who to notify, they'd probably mess it up. Probably the same for most lawyers.

      --
      Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
    27. Re:What happens when you forget? by Trogre · · Score: 1

      So what happens if your lawyer dies or retires before your switch is triggered?

      --
      "Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
    28. Re:What happens when you forget? by daeg · · Score: 1

      Very late in a reply, but you're right, it doesn't really matter who they were, or what their names were. But it's interesting to read your family history. It's conversation material and things to talk about with your family. It's entertaining.

  9. What does my dead man's switch do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It stops the train when I'm dead.

  10. An obvious question requires an obvious answer... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    I expect my Dead Man Switch to come back to life singing "I Heard It Through The Grape Vine" before keeling over again.

  11. Too Effective? by pyr3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've always thought that a Dead Man's Switch held too many problems. Unless you have people that are 'out to get you' and your switch is your leverage, then it's not much use.

    What happens if you get into a severe accident and end up in the hospital without the ability to 'check in' with it? What happens if you are stranded at an airport with a snowstorm? What if you are stranded at a ski lodge in the mountains in the middle of a snow storm? etc...

    If you were ever unable to check in with the switch, then you would probably regret hate mail to your boss or other nasties that you had planned to send to people you hate. It would also be an unwelcome surprise for friends and family to get 'letters from the dead' just to find out that you really aren't dead. It would definitely be a detriment to you if you had it setup to donate all of the money in your bank accounts to charities....

    The Dead Man's Switch has too many if's in it. It makes more sense to just put together a will and make sure you entrust someone you deeply trust to execute it.

    1. Re:Too Effective? by Technician · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What happens if you get into a severe accident and end up in the hospital without the ability to 'check in' with it? What happens if you are stranded at an airport with a snowstorm? What if you are stranded at a ski lodge in the mountains in the middle of a snow storm? etc...

      Mine simply locks the encrypted filesystem if the power is interupted. A raid on my premisis while I'm gone locks things up tight. Forcing the door drops power. When I'm back, I can enter the encryption key and restore normal operation.

      --
      The truth shall set you free!
    2. Re:Too Effective? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      What happens if you get into a severe accident and end up in the hospital without the ability to 'check in' with it? What happens if you are stranded at an airport with a snowstorm? What if you are stranded at a ski lodge in the mountains in the middle of a snow storm? etc...

      You seem a bit preoccupied... Is there a snow storm out to get you?
    3. Re:Too Effective? by munpfazy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not to mention: What happens if there's a software or hardware goof? Even leaving aside malicious attacks and the possibility of bugs in your code, who'd want to trust life-changing information to the system clock on a single machine?

      You could imagine hardening a system against some of the more obvious dangers. Using two severs in different countries which confer with each other before sending anything and which both contain part of the encryption key for your data would go a long way toward catching the obvious technical dangers. If you can keep them from knowing each other's address until they both trigger, all the better (eg, by having them both call out to a third server that has no record of their locations until contacted.)

      But, there's still no way to distinguish between "I'm dead," "I'm in jail," and "I'm in a coma from which I'm expected to recover." Which could be rather an important distinction.

    4. Re:Too Effective? by caluml · · Score: 2, Funny
      Forcing the door drops power.

      What the hell are you protecting there?

    5. Re:Too Effective? by zebs · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nice.

      No use in the UK though. If you don't hand over your encryption keys you can go to jail.

      Good thing too. I am now safe from Terrorism

    6. Re:Too Effective? by ajs318 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well ..... considering that whatever is encrypted behind those keys might conceivably be enough to send you to jail anyway (and possibly for a longer term), it might be worth swallowing the lighter sentence for not handing over your keys.

      --
      Je fume. Tu fumes. Nous fûmes!
    7. Re:Too Effective? by FrostyCoolSlug · · Score: 1

      several TB of porn.

    8. Re:Too Effective? by JordanL · · Score: 1

      Hmmm... so now whoever kills you has to "rm -r" your will.

    9. Re:Too Effective? by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      Actually, I'd rather do "vi will" and make a few changes to the beneficary.

      --
      Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
    10. Re:Too Effective? by Carnildo · · Score: 1
      I've always thought that a Dead Man's Switch held too many problems. Unless you have people that are 'out to get you' and your switch is your leverage, then it's not much use.

      What happens if you get into a severe accident and end up in the hospital without the ability to 'check in' with it? What happens if you are stranded at an airport with a snowstorm? What if you are stranded at a ski lodge in the mountains in the middle of a snow storm? etc...


      That's why my "dead man's switch" doesn't assume I'm dead. What it does is, if I haven't accessed my computer in two weeks, it posts generic "something may have happened to me" messages on various forums and newsgroups, and requests that someone take over my activities on Wikipedia. Nothing irreversable, and it's equally valid if I'm in the hospital with a broken nose, or if I fell off the edge of the world.
      --
      "They redundantly repeated themselves over and over again incessantly without end ad infinitum" -- ibid.
    11. Re:Too Effective? by DerekLyons · · Score: 1
      Well ..... considering that whatever is encrypted behind those keys might conceivably be enough to send you to jail anyway (and possibly for a longer term), it might be worth swallowing the lighter sentence for not handing over your keys.

      I imagine that many here on Slashdot encrypt their drives not because there is something that will send them to jail [1], but because it's a cool geek thing to do and it Makes A Statement. Slashdotters are big on Making Statements that don't actually require a commitment or lead to personal discomfort.
       
      [1] Except in their tinfoil hat mindset where they believe The Man is dilegently hunting them. (But they are always vague on why The Man might want them - usually its the result of a kneejerk over reaction.)
    12. Re:Too Effective? by ajs318 · · Score: 1

      Even so, that's a good thing. If many people are encrypting essentially innocuous data, that shows that encryption is not, in and of itself, necessarily evidence of dodginess.

      --
      Je fume. Tu fumes. Nous fûmes!
    13. Re:Too Effective? by newr00tic · · Score: 1

      ..You could just install Windows ME on a box, and make sure it is reachable somewhere online.

      -If the box dies, which it *WILL* without maintenance, (and stays down for a week or so,) they'll be right to assume that you indeed is dead, and they can act accordingly.

      --
      A horse can't be sick, you know, even if he wants to.
  12. Ironically... by Frogbert · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's hooked up to my personal suicide machine.

    1. Re:Ironically... by Patrik_AKA_RedX · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes, but did you test it?

    2. Re:Ironically... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes, but did you test it?

      Oh great...he hasn't responded. You, sir, are being charged with murder!

    3. Re:Ironically... by kalleguld · · Score: 1

      - But GP should have set up a dead mans switch posting a "success" note here on slashdot

      --
      Sigs are bad for your health
  13. Why not have some fun? by monkeypoo · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why not make a system that, after you've passed away, pretends to be you from beyond the grave?

    Maybe it checks your email contacts (most people will know you've passed on of course) and sends out randomly generated messages about how great heaven is?

    "You'll never believe it! The Mormons were right!!"

    1. Re:Why not have some fun? by Workaphobia · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, if the system can pass a rigorous Turing Test and functionally replace you in all your roles, that may mean that you never even died. Either that or your life was so predictable and monotonous that a machine could live it for you.

      --
      Evidently, the key to understanding recursion is to begin by understanding recursion. The rest is easy.
    2. Re:Why not have some fun? by UED++ · · Score: 1

      That's amazing! Even better if it warned about the suffering in Hell.

    3. Re:Why not have some fun? by dpilot · · Score: 1

      Science fiction reference - Poul Anderson's "Gateway" books

      **** Mild Spoiler ****

      The main character in the series, Robinette Broadhead, dies somewhere I believe in the second book. His wife uploads his Turing Image, and he spends the rest of the series, still as a prime character, as software.

      --
      The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
    4. Re:Why not have some fun? by AcidLacedPenguiN · · Score: 1

      that's funny, I rigged my deadman's switch to do some gold farming in World of Warcraft. . . When I'm gone, someone will have to put my kids through college!

      --
      disclaimer: I've been known to store numbers in my ass for which to dig out when quantities are required.
    5. Re:Why not have some fun? by Lord+of+Hyphens · · Score: 1

      Well, if the system can pass a rigorous Turing Test and functionally replace you in all your roles, that may mean that you never even died. Either that or your life was so predictable and monotonous that a machine could live it for you.

      That brings "replace with a small shell script" new meaning there...

      --
      "I've spent my whole life figuring out crazy ways to do things. It'll work." -- Montgomery Scott, "Relics"
    6. Re:Why not have some fun? by AJWM · · Score: 2, Informative

      You're talking about the Heechee Saga, of which "Gateway" was the first book. They're by Frederik Pohl, not Poul Anderson.

      (You got it half right, phonetically at least ;-)

      Good stories.

      --
      -- Alastair
    7. Re:Why not have some fun? by dpilot · · Score: 1

      I always have trouble with my Pohl/Poul confusion.

      --
      The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
  14. We need a new checkbox when posting to /. by Schraegstrichpunkt · · Score: 4, Funny

    [_] No Karma Bonus [_] Post Anonymously [_] Post Humously
    1. Re:We need a new checkbox when posting to /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      nice one! :)

    2. Re:We need a new checkbox when posting to /. by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      That's the funniest thing I've seen on /. in years. Thank you.

      --
      We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
    3. Re:We need a new checkbox when posting to /. by nacturation · · Score: 3, Funny

      Dammit, you'll ruin the joke.

      --
      Want to improve your Karma? Instead of "Post Anonymously", try the "Post Humously" option.
    4. Re:We need a new checkbox when posting to /. by Schraegstrichpunkt · · Score: 1

      Oh crap, right.

      The weird thing is that I've seen your sig before, but I forgot about it when I wrote that post.

    5. Re:We need a new checkbox when posting to /. by shrykk · · Score: 1

      Yeah right, like they'll even listen to someone who can't spell 'humourously'.

      :D

      --
      #define struct union /* Reduce memory usage */
    6. Re:We need a new checkbox when posting to /. by nacturation · · Score: 1

      The weird thing is that I've seen your sig before, but I forgot about it when I wrote that post. Maybe you forgot because... you're already dead! [cue spooky theme music]
      --
      Want to improve your Karma? Instead of "Post Anonymously", try the "Post Humously" option.
  15. False alerts by iMaple · · Score: 3, Informative

    I havn't had any false alerts thanks to another semi dead man's safety, which sends me an email 15 days before my actual switch turns on.

    I basically have 7 emails to ppl really close to me. One of my password go in one of those emails and that has access to all my email/personal passwords. I havnt put any banking data since I dont think thats going to be too difficult to get, if I am legally dead.

    My deadmans switch is a simple cron job and I need to reset it once every 3 months.

    1. Re:False alerts by Schraegstrichpunkt · · Score: 1

      You're sending your passwords over email? And you use email to activate it, eh? What's your username? iMaple? Okay.

      <clickety-click>

    2. Re:False alerts by iMaple · · Score: 1

      Hey, where did the million dollars in my bank account disappear !!!

    3. Re:False alerts by iMaple · · Score: 1

      BTW just in cases you were being serious, check out
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretty_Good_Privacy

      (thats good enough for my personal server passwords)

    4. Re:False alerts by Schraegstrichpunkt · · Score: 1

      PGP doesn't prevent people from causing your "I'm still alive" emails to mysteriously disappear.

    5. Re:False alerts by Fry-kun · · Score: 1

      one problem is, what if someone turns the computer with crontab shortly after you're dead?
      Just write up all your instructions (including passwords if you want) in a will. I'm pretty sure you can specify that content meant for different people must be kept confidential from all others.

      --
      Did you know that "FTW" ("for the win") is a direct translation of "Sieg Heil"?
    6. Re:False alerts by kisielk · · Score: 1

      Or, what happens if your system clock goes wonky for whatever reason? I wouldn't trust my PC clock for such an application.

    7. Re:False alerts by qwijibo · · Score: 1

      That's why we have NTP. You set up a pool of time servers and have it set the clock on boot and keep it synchronized. If your internet connection is down, not knowing what time it is shouldn't be the biggest problem.

      Realistically, anything important should be in a will to ensure that people know about it. Trusting a computer with anything important is a bad idea. Hard drives and power supplies fail all the time (in the sense of a service that you'd expect to keep available for several years).

  16. Score -1 Tasteless by Schraegstrichpunkt · · Score: 1

    Why not make a system that, after you've passed away, pretends to be you from beyond the grave?

    Is that you, lilo?

  17. Last will and chain contingency by Barny · · Score: 2, Funny

    1. Teleport without error to my own pocket dimension
    2. dispell all negative effects on me
    3. teleport a friendly cleric in to rez

    On a little more realistic scale, how about you make a will?

    IN THE EVENT OF DEATH EACH PERSON NAMED WILL RECEIVE THE ENCLOSED USB DRIVE WITH THEIR NAME ON IT... not overly difficult, and there are real legal comebacks if it is processed and you are not in fact deceased, instead of just looking like a tool.

    --
    ...
    /me sighs
    1. Re:Last will and chain contingency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      USB Drive?
      You think like my grandpa. His will included his last messages on punch cards. We framed them right next to his father's last messages on boring old paper.

    2. Re:Last will and chain contingency by Barny · · Score: 1

      That's why wills can be modified...

      --
      ...
      /me sighs
  18. hopefully not dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    -rw-r--r-- 1 2949120 Oct 3 13:55:12 2006 c2900xl-c3h2s-tar.120-5.WC16.tar
    MD5 (c2900xl-c3h2s-tar.120-5.WC16.tar) = 637679bdc798d3ff64c55f5c6b3ee217
    -rw-r--r-- 1 1811940 Sep 21 16:01:18 2006 c2900xl-c3h2s-mz.120-5.WC16.bin
    MD5 (c2900xl-c3h2s-mz.120-5.WC16.bin) = b0cd0a8499dc654a8bebcea1a2249ef8

    will know in two minutes...

  19. It behaves in a very unprofessional manner by dbIII · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Usually the entire point is to run stuff so you can get hit by the proverbial bus and someone else can take over - or so that you can theoretically take an extended holiday at some point. A dead man's switch sounds extremely unprofessional and probably should get you fired no matter how unethical the rest of the workplace looks (unless it is emailing documentation of actual criminal activity to the relevant authorities - but you should be doing that in person anyway).

    I helped out for a few months in a place where the sysadmins and most of management had to be marched out the door by security for various expensive reasons. The place seemed full of dead man's switches but it reality was probably just a finicky cobbled together collection of systems that required intervention when cron jobs/scheduled tasks could have done it (and later did).

    Currently the stuff that is being trialed would stop and someone would have to look at the tape schedule - but I thought the whole idea of working as a sysadmin was to set stuff up so everything else goes smoothly while you are sorting out the problem of the day, trying out new stuff, or reading slashdot.

    1. Re:It behaves in a very unprofessional manner by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 2, Funny
      The place seemed full of dead man's switches but it reality was probably just a finicky cobbled together collection of systems that required intervention when cron jobs/scheduled tasks could have done it (and later did).

      This leads to this observation: Any sufficiently finicky cobbled together collection of systems that requires intervention is indistinguishable from a Dead Man's Switch.

      --
      I am not a crackpot.
  20. You have 10 minutes to reach minimum safe distance by pyrrhonist · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I wanted to see what others have their switches set up to do in the event you fail to check in.

    My switch nukes everything from orbit.

    It's the only way to be sure.

    --
    Show me on the doll where his noodly appendage touched you.
  21. Mine disables my robot helicopter by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 1

    If my deadman's switch doesn't receive telemetry from the handset after 1/50th of a second, it halts all rotors and scuttles the heli. Extreme? Sure - but given the alternative could be death for anyone nearby, it's sensible. It also stops anyone from trying to engage the robot without having a control console inhand (with additional killswitch).

    --
    Scientists point out problems, engineers fix them
    altslashdot.org: The future of slashdot.
  22. Jewish Mother Dead Man's Switch by LunchSpecial · · Score: 5, Funny

    If I don't check in with my Jewish mother every few days she'll go crazy and call everyone I might have once talked to.
    I didn't set this up, it was genetics.

    1. Re:Jewish Mother Dead Man's Switch by rishistar · · Score: 1

      My mother-in-law keeps her fingers crossed that she'll have a similar experience.

      --
      Professor Karmadillo Songs of Science
    2. Re:Jewish Mother Dead Man's Switch by tfbastard · · Score: 1

      Hardly exclusive to jewish mothers. I'm OK with the act of carrying a parasitic being inside you for 9 months granting a sense of posession over it though.

    3. Re:Jewish Mother Dead Man's Switch by dpilot · · Score: 1

      Got to count the father in, too. The mother carries the parasite inside her for 9 months. The father's there too, though the parasite is outside him. Then they both carry the external parasite for the next 18 years or so.

      --
      The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
    4. Re:Jewish Mother Dead Man's Switch by The+Benefactor · · Score: 1

      This was the plot of a Philip K Dick short story, The Pre-Persons. A very good read but then so are most of his works.

      --
      To err is human, to arr is pirate.
    5. Re:Jewish Mother Dead Man's Switch by dpilot · · Score: 1

      Ready to grant your parents that right?

      --
      The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
  23. kill or reboot by leehwtsohg · · Score: 1

    The only cases I used one was to debug stuff that potentially locks the computer up. I.e. kill a process or reboot the computer after a certain time if nothing happens. Don't know if that counts....

    1. Re:kill or reboot by ebbe11 · · Score: 1

      That's commonly called a "watchdog" and is used quite a lot in embedded systems. I've even implemented one on a PC. It interfaces with a bit of custom hardware that can reset the PC in case the watchdog software also goes astray.

      --

      My opinion? See above.
  24. what I tell the guy with the gun by TLouden · · Score: 1

    It send the contents of a folder to friends, family, media, governments, corporations, etc. (all defined in a list, or course)

    The contents of said folder include the most incriminating of information and encryption keys.

    Also, said folder may contain up-to-date security footage and audio taps.

    This tends to discourage the trigger-happy-brain-dead-mob types from doing anything painful.

    Now, in order to be most effective, this system is actually activated on servers across the world and distributes links and encryption keys so that the email doesn't get rejected as a result of the size.

    Really though, just send the contents of a file to the email addresses listed in another file. You can even use multiple file sets for different groups.

    --
    -Tim Louden
    1. Re:what I tell the guy with the gun by werewolf1031 · · Score: 1
      This tends to discourage the trigger-happy-brain-dead-mob types from doing anything painful.
      OR, they could just grab you and take you to a secluded location (abandoned warehouse/cabin in woods/whatever), torture the information of your DMS out of you, use said info to disable your DMS, and then kill you.

      Now, you could get someone you trust to help with part of the setup work so that not all the information can be tortured out of you, but then you're endangering the life of that person as well, whose name can be tortured from you, the badguys go after that person, torture them for their share of the info... you get the point.

      Really, this only works in the movies.
    2. Re:what I tell the guy with the gun by Barny · · Score: 5, Funny

      And after all that torture, all that pain and death, everyone who receives the message deletes it as spam....

      --
      ...
      /me sighs
    3. Re:what I tell the guy with the gun by Kjella · · Score: 1

      And after all that torture, all that pain and death, everyone who receives the message deletes it as spam....

      I think that's only true if you're some rich dude from Nigeria, and the e-mail explains how to get hold of your money.

      --
      Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
    4. Re:what I tell the guy with the gun by TLouden · · Score: 1

      Aye, a painful option. The solution here is time based. Ones ability to withstand torture must be taken into account when setting the update interval on the DMS such that the torture tactic would be too slow to prevent to release of information.

      Also, as these systems tend to break down when loved ones get involved, it is best to have your entire family and everyone you care about killed in some freak accident by the same people that the DMS is targeting.

      --
      -Tim Louden
  25. Re:You have 10 minutes to reach minimum safe dista by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I love that movie (Aliens for those who didn't get the reference). Speaking of James Cameron, he is currently working on his first feature film in a decade. It is called Avatar. I read an article in the Post about it the other day.

  26. Send evidence to reporter & FBI by RareButSeriousSideEf · · Score: 1

    I actually thought about starting an online service to do just that, but I decided my security skills weren't up to par with the level of attack that *might* come about. I mean, the business plan is to collect a pittance a month from a few thousand tin-foil-hatters, but the reality is that if a service is designed well enough to attract the tin foils, then one day it'll probably actually attract someone with a real and determined enemy.

    Ignoring for the moment any issues of inability to push the button, how would one handle such a case? The two objectives are (a) secure the data against any & all attacks (which includes maintaining the means to deliver it to the desired parties under any circumstances), and (b) prevent any inadvertent public disclosures of said data.

    I'd imagine that Gnutella, Usenet & TOR could each play a part in a highly redundant, distributed storage system. But even assuming you only needed to run services to send decryption keys & magnet links to the intended recipients, how would you guard the ability to do that against a potential attacker that's heavy on resources, time & motivation?

    1. Re:Send evidence to reporter & FBI by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      how would you guard the ability to do that against a potential attacker that's heavy on resources, time & motivation

      And, presuming that your clients (at least, the more or less sane/rational ones) are using your service because they actually are fearing that they'll wind up dead - because of some scrap of information and its availability/not - aren't you facing another problem? Someone who's willing to kill someone for information might not worry too much about personally threatening you, too. And just like the timed safes in the convenience store don't stop stick-ups for cash, I suspect that you might have hard time convincing some mobbed-up bad guy that you can't personally delete everything your customer had stored about some Russian pr0n operation. Rambling a bit, here, but the point is that such a service would be considered insurance against (or revenge against) someone/thing threatening. That's potentially dangerous waters to be playing in, I think. Only lots and lots of cash would insulate you from that, and I can't imagine you'd have too many customers with enough budget for it that wouldn't have already made some provisions along these lines. Personally, I think it's better as a novel/movie than a business plan!

      --
      Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
  27. I instantly thought of this prior Ask article by sporkme · · Score: 1
    I instantly thought of this prior Ask discussion
    "I'm a widower caring for my very disabled child. I have family who check in on me often, but not reliably, and not every day. How can I rig up a 'dead-man's switch' that will alert family or emergency services should something happen to me, so that my child can be cared for? Her medical needs are significant enough that being alone for even an hour could be fatal for her. We do occasionally get out of the house, so a GPS type cellphone and a heart-rate monitor watch would seem to be the ticket, but how to link the two and get the desired dialing behaviour?"
  28. What if... by jones_supa · · Score: 5, Funny

    What if after your death your relatives just walk in and happily unplug your Linux boxes (having no idea how they even work) before your cool scripts even get a chance to run. :S

  29. Hrm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lets see... mine is set to program a robot with a digital representation of my brain, updated yearly. This can be done as often as needed...

  30. My Dead Man's Switch by 91degrees · · Score: 1

    Is big lever. Connects the lightning conductor to dead man!

    Yes master! We will create Liiiife!!!

    1. Re:My Dead Man's Switch by DorkusMasterus · · Score: 1

      I love it... your Dead Man's Switch connects to the Revival Machine, which leads to the Dead Man's Switch, which leads to the Revival Machine, which....

  31. My switch... by kitsunewarlock · · Score: 1

    It welcomes our new life-eradicating switch-flipping overlords. Seriously though, its called a w-i-l-l.

    --
    Ginga no Rekshiya Mata Each page.
  32. Feed the worms by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No matter how inflated our egos, after a few tears and a small feast for the worms, the planet will continue as if we never even happened. Why complicate matters with a dead man's switch?

    --
    Engineering is the art of compromise.
    1. Re:Feed the worms by HexRei · · Score: 1

      i dont know what idiot modded you down for "troll" in an obvious harmless joke, but i feel for you man :(

      i thought it was funny.

    2. Re:Feed the worms by smchris · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You run with what you've got. If you're lucky some archaeologist will analyze how you were pickeled or swab your sinuses to see what was giving you hayfever in the day.

      I guess in this case one is leaving a remnant for some paleopsychologist to analyze how 21st century man was so screwed up.

      Plenty of people have left writings with the stipulation that they only be released some time after death. This is just an extension that allows do-it-yourself world interaction after your self is gone.

    3. Re:Feed the worms by mysidia · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The trouble with such a "dead man's switch" is, being sure it will work... Difficulty testing it. How do you know it's going to work? Such things need to be handled by the living, either by hiring some service, or having some friends, maybe one with the .EXE file, and two others with passwords required to actuate it.

      A missing semicolon in a perl script, mistyped e-mail address or other parameter in the cron script, e-mail failure, ISP mail server changes, or the system losing power could cause some problems.

      The cause of death could be some natural disaster that also destroys the machine with the switch is on, or at least knocks out the power and network (will anyone ever reconnect it to a network, or just sell what's left of your old machine?).

      How can a program know you're dead if you don't check in? There are other possibilities such as alive but temporarily unable to use a computer. In the hospital, temporary amnesia, broken arms, etc.

      To be sure, I think your switch would need a human to certify you're dead, or you need to subscribe to some service that allows your computer system to search death records/death certificates, and activate the switch only after your name also appears in the database.

    4. Re:Feed the worms by kalirion · · Score: 5, Funny

      Maybe it will continue after your death, but considering the fact that the universe is merely a figment of my imagination, I predict that my death will have a greater impact.

    5. Re:Feed the worms by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Plenty of people have left writings with the stipulation that they only be released some time after death. This is just an extension that allows do-it-yourself world interaction after your self is gone.

      I like Gerald Ford's Dead Man Switch- but isn't it a bit Rube Goldbergish to use the media for such a thing?

      --
      SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
    6. Re:Feed the worms by colesw · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well then in that case a dead man's switch will certinaly have no purpose then.

    7. Re:Feed the worms by KUHurdler · · Score: 1

      I thought it was kind of chicken myself.

      Here, I'll record all my opnions, and I don't have to actually face people when they finally hear them.

      I should probably point out that he was before my time, so his death is really the only major exposure I have to him.

      --
      Fix Your Own TV - RiddledTV.com Avoid the Landfill
    8. Re:Feed the worms by Kuroji · · Score: 1

      Perhaps I should suggest some lucid dreaming techniques so you might improve things a bit, because you, sir, have some very screwed up dreams.

  33. Snow Crash by locokamil · · Score: 3, Funny

    Took my cue from Snow Crash and got my dead man's switch wired to a W80 warhead.

    1. Re:Snow Crash by Amerist · · Score: 1

      Hello boys and girls, it's half-remembered-quotes-from-books-we-loved time!

      "So, why don't you just arrest him?"
      "He's a sovereign."
      "Okay, declare war on him then."
      "Bad idea: he's also a nuclear power."

  34. Internet dating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Ok it sounds paranoid but on several occasions I've met up with someone from the internet.

    I usually have a few details about them but given I'm into the alternative scene (and I don't mean music) you don't usually just pass these details to a friend.

    Never the less, meeting up with someone like this for these kind of activities is down right dangerous, taking a few precautions is always sensible.

    I usually put together a zip file filled with every piece of contact information I have for this person and use a cron job to email this in 48 hours if I dont stop it.

    I also send a text message to myself prior to entering anyones house that I am meeting like this - the uk mobile phone companies will store location information for up to 3 years.

    Ok its paranoid but I know several people (though usually women) that have been raped meeting like this - worse things could possibly happen as you are taking your life in your hands doing though. I'll admit that being a guy I am probably less vulnrable - but its better to be on the safe side and atleast give yourself some backup.

    Its never gone off before... but its nice to know its set up - just in case.

    1. Re:Internet dating by gregtron · · Score: 1

      Well now... Isn't that a nice departure from the usual bomb joke.

    2. Re:Internet dating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok it sounds paranoid but on several occasions I've met up with someone from the internet.

      I usually have a few details about them but given I'm into the alternative scene (and I don't mean music) you don't usually just pass these details to a friend.

      I've done similar things too. All you need to do is have a good friend whom you trust. Tell him "I'm meeting up with this girl I met over the Internet. Her name, address, etc. is such and such. If you don't hear from me by Monday, contact the police." You don't have to tell your friend what you're going to do with that girl (necrophilia? bestiality?) and your friend probably doesn't want to know anyway.

      Actually, there was one time I was kind of iffy about this one girl I was meeting, so I told my friend to call me back in 45 minutes, and pretend to invite me to something important. If I needed to get out of there, I'd just answer the phone, act concerned, and tell the girl that I had to go. She turned out okay, so I told my friend that I'd couldn't make it to whatever bullshit event he made up, and that I was going to stick with the girl.

    3. Re:Internet dating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From the OP:

      BDSM with breath play, needle play and knife play. Oviously not the safest activities in the world!

      Well you did ask!!

    4. Re:Internet dating by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1
      I usually have a few details about them but given I'm into the alternative scene (and I don't mean music) you don't usually just pass these details to a friend.

      OK, I haven't been in the situation to consider this for real, but I'm a geek and compelled to think my way through unlikely situations (substitute "talking to the mafia" for "meeting a stranger"; same principle).

      You don't have at least one friend that you can hand a sealed envelope to with strict orders not to open it unless you don't report back, in person, by a certain time? Failing that, someone you can coerce into doing it for you ("the evidence against you is in my safe deposit box - don't screw this up!")?

      The last thing I'd want in the scenario you describe is for the likely non-technical police officer to have to figure out what a zipfile is or how to import your mailspool. It'd be much more time-efficient (which may be critically important for you) to just print the stuff out. If the things you're doing are so alternative that taking this risk is simply impossible, you may wish to re-evaluate your pastimes.

      --
      Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
    5. Re:Internet dating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Several people I would trust yes, no one I could convieniently reach in person to hand such a physical item over too.

      Hence a cron job on a server I have access too (which happens to be set up for very good redundancy, hence my choice of server)

      The main factor though is privacy. It simply is not done to risk compromising someone else's details.

      People are very untollerant of such things, career, social circles even personal life can be severely affected (hence why I post here anonymously)

    6. Re:Internet dating by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      I agree with the previous poster. I'd rather use a RL friend as my "safety". He wouldn't need the details on just what I'm doing with the woman (or perhaps just what she's doing with me), just that I'm meeting this woman at that address and if I don't contact him at such a time, I'm in trouble. Computers aren't reliable enough for that.

      --
      Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
    7. Re:Internet dating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank God! I was afraid it might be a Barney Sing Along!!

    8. Re:Internet dating by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1
      The main factor though is privacy. It simply is not done to risk compromising someone else's details.

      Good sir, this is your LIFE we're talking about here. I understand and respect your desire to protect the other party's privacy, but your own self preservation should trump all else. If it doesn't, then all I ask is that you talk to someone about why that is. Please, for your own sake? You're worth it.

      --
      Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
    9. Re:Internet dating by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1
      BDSM with breath play, needle play and knife play. Oviously not the safest activities in the world!


      Yikes! Personally, I'd recommend waiting until you know the other person well enough not to need a backup before getting into that!
      --
      Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
    10. Re:Internet dating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And indeed I do.

      The backup is on the first meetings which usually no activity is planned.

      When you are meeting up with someone who enjoys such violent activities, even if just meeting for a coffee, such precautions seem sensible.

    11. Re:Internet dating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know...

      People get severely injured, suffer from memory loss or die all the time. It is probably easier to set up a few geographically separated servers than it is to find a few more friends that you can really trust.

  35. Our Dead Man's Handle ..... by noip · · Score: 1

    Well, we just sit up all night in the middle of the Pacific, trying not to touch anything, hoping it'll go off ..... :) (yes, they have them on aeroplanes now ... ) N

  36. My dead mans switch... by PeelBoy · · Score: 1

    Resurrects the person who uses it.

  37. I've got one. by munpfazy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I often take part in political protests, and have on occasion been arrested and held for days.

    So, I put together a quick routine using perl and chron that dispatches email to my workplace, the local legal rep contact, and some friends. The later includes directions to a hidden key and asks them to feed my cat until they hear from me. I only enable the system when I'm expecting a significant risk of arrest. Once it's started, if I don't either log into the machine or send myself an email containing a specific string once every 24 hours, the alarm goes off.

    Turns out it's never actually been used (except when testing.) I did get caught up in a surprise arrest not too long ago, but since my girlfriend was going to be at home and able to take care of any problems I didn't turn on the system.

    But, if you ask me, trusting life-changing information to a php script is a really, really scary idea. Even my trivial "please feed my cat" letters included disclaimers explaining that they may have been falsely triggered.

    Now, on the other hand, the possibility of spoofing dead man's letters from other people *does* sound promising.

    1. Re:I've got one. by pclminion · · Score: 1

      So, I put together a quick routine using perl and chron

      I too often find myself diving into a fat bag of chron after an unfortunate Perl hacking session...

    2. Re:I've got one. by DerekLyons · · Score: 1
      Turns out it's never actually been used (except when testing.) I did get caught up in a surprise arrest not too long ago, but since my girlfriend was going to be at home and able to take care of any problems I didn't turn on the system.

      In other words - you have the system because it makes you Feel Good and telling people about it makes you Feel Important. You don't really care if works or what it accomplishes.
    3. Re:I've got one. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heck, isn't that why most of us do most of the things we do? I'd probably disagree with his politics, but I'm impressed that he is willing (or maybe even hoping) to be arrested.

  38. Mine is... by KClaisse · · Score: 1, Funny

    A vast series of Rube Goldberg devices which are mostly comprised of AOL cd's. At the end of the device, it presses the speed dial on my phone and plays a prerecorded message. I really want to test it out! I can only dream of the day...

  39. Right on time by linvir · · Score: 2, Funny

    Good day for this story. somethingawful has a great article about this today. Quoth the website:

    Section Two: Arranging my Funeral
    When my body is prepared to my satisfaction, gather my people around it to weep and mourn and say their farewells. In the unlikely event that by the time of my death I have not become the leader of a people, please find those who love me best.

    Go and read it.

  40. This seems foolish by Peregr1n · · Score: 1

    This seems a little foolish to me. If you're anything like me you'll forget to check in one day, maybe when you go on holiday. What kind of failsafes have you built in? Does it attempt to contact you in a variety of ways before assuming you're dead? Leaving it to an overly logical machine seems dangerous - there are several things which could well happen:

    1) It fails to recognise your bucket-kicking and doesn't send out any of the vitally important information, so none of your friends get the passwords (or turn up to your funeral);

    2) Somebody else overrides it, physically or electronically preventing it from recognising your checkin, and stealing your data;

    It falsely thinks you've dropped off the plain, through a bug or human failure, and prematurely sends out all the vital data to everyone, and your wife discovers that you're dividing your fortune amongst your mistresses a little earlier than you'd like.

    These reasons seem to me an overwhelming argument for using the old-fashioned approach of a trusted (or legal) person holding a will and other data. They're more likely to make sensible decisions in unexpected situations (like, if you're in a coma for a month, come round and find your computer has automatically wiped your pr0n, God forbid)

  41. Maybe I'm missing something by clickclickdrone · · Score: 1

    At work we have processes so that if I fall under a bus or whatever, people can get hold of the passwords etc. The processes are all properly documented so the only hassle they'll have is a bit of short term cover whilst they recruit a replacement.
    As for family & friends, I guess they'll find out the same way people always have and as for special messages, if it's that important they already know and if it's not, why hassle them when they've got more important things to do like get me boxed and shipped out.
    Sorry but I just don't get this whole dead man switch idea at all.

    --
    I want a list of atrocities done in your name - Recoil
  42. Release all the footage of the corrupt politicians by RationalRoot · · Score: 1

    * Release all the footage of the corrupt politicians.
    * Release all the evidence against the Mob, the Yakuza, the Mafia.
    * Release a few exploits for MS Vista.
    * Let my pet AI out of his virtual cage and onto the 'net.
    * Release pictures of various Celebs doing "Very Wrong Things(TM)"
    * Release information about how various Government Contracts _REALLY_ got awarded.
    * Release evidence that the Bible, Quoran and various other religious books are fakes.

    I think that's about all of it.

    Damn, when I die there's gonna be a lot of people in deep du-du

    8-)

    http://davesboat.blogspot.com/

    --
    http://davesboat.blogspot.com/
  43. How sad is it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    How sad is it that you would need a dead man's switch, instead of friends and family to notice that youve disappeared.

    Sad.

    1. Re:How sad is it... by szembek · · Score: 1

      I don't think the point is to inform people that you've expired. It is to send out messages to people after the fact. Give them the passwords to vital information. And perhaps say the things you've never said when you were alive. A strange idea, but it has nothing to do with notifying them that you've died.

      --
      nothing
  44. of course it's scary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But, if you ask me, trusting life-changing information to a php script is a really, really scary idea

    of course it's scary - you should use Perl.

  45. First Post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    If i don't check in every 10 minutes on slashdot i automatically send first post messages
    to every new subject...

    kind regards,

  46. Proof. My Dead-Man's Switch sends proof. by StarWreck · · Score: 1

    My dead-man's switch simultaneously emails, faxes, and snail-mail's irrefutable proof of intelligent alien life to EVERY major blogger in the world. Naturally, major news outlets aren't worthy of this information once I've passed on.

    --
    ... and in the DRM, bind them.
  47. Hey bub, got some bad news for you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm writing a virus for the windows that finds and trigger you 'dead man switches' so soon one day you will wake up to find out all your sins are belong to us, your confessions relived to loved ones etc. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Please configur you dead man switch to be transferring money now to me swiss bank account to prevent dms virus from triggering you dead man switch. When it stop sending money, you switch will automatically trigger... and this is the service we provide to you.

    1. Re:Hey bub, got some bad news for you... by Apocalypse111 · · Score: 1

      If you have your dead-man switch on a Windows machine, odds are your friends and relatives have already received these emails several times, and know your secrets.

      --
      There is no mod option "-1: Disagree" for a reason. "Overrated" is not an acceptable substitute. Post something instead.
  48. Why should I care? by wikinerd · · Score: 1

    If I die and I have no family members and no friends, why should I care what is going to happen to my PCs, my servers, or my bank accounts?

    1. Re:Why should I care? by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 2, Funny
      If I die and I have no family members and no friends, why should I care what is going to happen to my PCs, my servers, or my bank accounts?
      Obviously, you should then entrust said property to the first complete stranger off the Internet who shows an interest, you wonderful lovely person you.
  49. A few important things by QX-Mat · · Score: 1

    Deltree's c:\progra~1\common\xerox\porn
    Installs Lotus Smart Suite so my family have a use for the PC.
    Reveals the true identity of deep throat to the CIA.
    Emails my girlfriend and tells her to invest in SUN - those Java terminals coming out in the new millennium look amazing.
    Telnets into my workplace and installs a firewall for their own good. One of these days people will listen to my security concerns!
    Sends a letter to Tony Blair thanking him for all the time and effort he's spend ensuring the economical success of our country, education and health services. It also warns him about radical MP plans for Private Finance Initiatives and how they might bankrupt the NHS and MOD.

    It might be a little out of date.

    Matt

  50. Might I suggest a button... by David+Horn · · Score: 2, Funny

    Might I suggest a button that you have to push once every 108 minutes? You could even link it to a computer and enter a sequence of numbers in to reset the timer...

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    PocketGamer.org - For the gamer on the go!
    1. Re:Might I suggest a button... by The+Benefactor · · Score: 1

      Why that's a wonderful idea. But tell me, what whould you have it do if the button was not pressed?

      --
      To err is human, to arr is pirate.
    2. Re:Might I suggest a button... by Joe+U · · Score: 1

      Make up a better season opener?

    3. Re:Might I suggest a button... by markwalling · · Score: 1

      i missed the first half of the season... guess i am buying the season pass off itunes (or waiting till christmas...)

      --
      ...For the beast had been reborn with its strength renewed, and the followers of Mammon cowered in horror.
  51. I'd like my employer know how important I was... by raynet · · Score: 1

    My dead man's switch would simply install bunch of viruses to all my windows workstations on the intranet, reconfigure corporate firewall to allow all traffic in and from internet and then make all unix servers to fill their harddisks with random data while randomizing root passwords and erasing backup tapes on the tape archiver, perhaps even upload all sensitive projects and source code to public servers. That will teach'em...

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    - Raynet --> .
  52. I am a tooth fairy! by Ceriel+Nosforit · · Score: 1

    You insensitive clod!

    --
    All rites reversed 2010
  53. Take it with you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mine is a little expensive and selfish, but has huge political implications - roughly outlined:

    Build a huge particle accelerator/container/bottle, feed it antimatter until it reaches its containment limit. Set it up so that a slow bleed of the contained antimatter is not possible. Then, if power to the system is cut and containment is breached - goodbye cruel world!

    Who says you can't take it with you?

  54. This is true... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    About six years ago I had the misfortune of working for a company where our lead developer was a complete fruitcake. He wore all black every day, put his cigarettes out on his keyboard, you name it. He was one of those die-hard, born-in-the-soup hackers who started out configuring the household appliances to kill his family.

    A genuine genius, and impossible to work with.

    Well, one week he had happened to catch some variant on the face-melting death. I'm talking about the kind of influenza which turns your various facial orifices into creeping faucets of mucus. His wife assured me of a fever which would kill a lesser being. Sweat sheeted off his face like a rainstorm on a greenhouse roof. Needless to say he took some time off.

    I get a call on Friday afternoon and it's him. The sounds coming from his end of the call were like the elephant throwing up and trying to talk into the little voice scrambling doohickey from the movie Scream. "You have to come get me," he says. "Why?" I reply. "Because I'm in no shape to drive, and I need to login to my computer there." Empathetically, I told him to stay there if he was sick. "You don't understand," he barfed, "If I don't login once a week..."

    Yes. He had a DMS on our key development machines. One which he explained would lock up everything tighter than [gratuitous image deleted].

    I was unthrilled to say the least, and refrained from chewing him out as he brought his barely clothed mass of plague into my beautiful car, coughed plumes of virii and bacteria into our office, made my boss practically bust a vein in his forehead as I led his nearly-blind ass to his computer-- all because he refused to share his password with us to access and protect company property --then finally have the nerve to croak a child-like plea for McDonald's from my back seat on the way home.

    Once he was fully recovered we had the intervention and asked the usual questions, Why do you think this is necessary? What are you hiding from us? How screwed would we actually be if he actually died? Etc. In his paranoid, seen-the-Matrix-too-many-times universe, there was nothing wrong with installing some 'basic security'.

    I did mention this guy was a genius, right?

    The boss caved completely, and to be honest, we all knew there was no way in heck we could find whatever weird little bombs he'd hidden in our own system let alone the machine he'd practically joined to at the spine 12 hours a day. I quit the company that June, Mr. Maniac is still writing all their code and the company is quite successful.

    So, yeah, DMS... Why send email to the unworthy after you're claimed in the Lord's rapture, when you can just grab your entire company by the nuts and twist?

    (Posted as AC because I'm at work.)

    1. Re:This is true... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You may have posted as AC, but with all those details (especially that it was you who drove the car) you can be sure that Mr Fruitcake, who almost certainly reads slashdot from the way you described him, will read your post and figure out exactly who you are.

      In short... I think you should think about setting up a DMS pretty damn quick!

    2. Re:This is true... by Trogre · · Score: 1

      Romero, is that you?

      - The "other" John

      --
      "Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
  55. Biofeedback life sensor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Would be cool to hook a dead man's switch to some sort of biosensor or biofeedback device that monitors you whether you're alive or not.

    It automatically;
    * Publishes the source code of your closed source software that you developed.
    * Makes a post on your blog.
    * Wipe sensitive/private data such as cookies, browsing history, etc.
    * Fires ICBM or a MIRV at Redmond. ;)

  56. HEY!!! by MajorG17 · · Score: 1

    My "man's switch" isn't dead, you insensitive clod!

  57. Re:You have 10 minutes to reach minimum safe dista by kylner · · Score: 1

    What's up with the Mod Gnomes today? How is a funny pop-culture reference is marked as "Insightful".

  58. Um ... seriously? Get a life. by SlappyBastard · · Score: 1

    If you're really worried that if you die there will be a need for notices to be sent, then you are either full of vanity or you have not led much of a life. Especially if you're an IT person.

    Christ, if I died 400 idiots would call on that day and be pissed that I was lacking the courtesy to hold off dying until their problem was fixed. Soon, people who never knew what post-it notes and pens are would be forced to get new email hosting. Order would break down for everything from dog groomers to realtors. Yeah... it would be bad. But, there would be no need to issue a notice. Obviously, the other use for a dead man's switch constitutes a crime in most countries. And, again, you may need to get a life if you feel you need it. After all, it is immature and unprofessional to leave a job and leave an automated piece of malware behind. In summation, all forms of interest in a dead man's switch are strongly indicative of the need to grow up and/or get a life.
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    I scream. You scream. I assume that means we're both acquainted with the problem. We proceed.
    1. Re:Um ... seriously? Get a life. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get a life? No.. get a death!

  59. Clever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How did you know my 'man switch' was dead!?

    Oh yeah, slashdot.

  60. Try a will by PadRacerExtreme · · Score: 1
    Do you really life such an isolated life that no one will notice you died? Holy crap....

    Assuming someone will notice, try a will. Filled with the state, it will be executed upon your death.

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    Just remember - if the world didn't suck, we would all fall off.
  61. 16 Mexicans by solareagle · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Every Setpember, 16 Mexicans have a great party celebrating the revolution of Mexico but the fact is, that the revolution was not complete. " Is it the same 16 Mexicans every year? If you are one of only 16 Mexicans to attend this great party, you really need a Dead Man's Switch giving some one else your party spot!

  62. Another question : Implementation? by Kalidor · · Score: 1

    I've been thinking about deadman switches, myself, for some time. My problem is not so much what I want it to do; but more what's the best and most robust implementation of one? I've come up with several ideas, but many seem to fail with the unpredictivility of a realitively low points of failure without you being able to do anything about it .... well execept the lawyer route, but where's the fun in that?!

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    Code softly but carry a big magnet.

  63. chown executor will ; chmod g+x will by davidwr · · Score: 1

    me$ su executor
    executor$ ./will

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    Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
  64. No personal DMS, but we have one at work. by tillerman35 · · Score: 1

    I don't have a DMS of my own, but the one at work is pretty cool. If you don't hit it in time, it nukes our entire biohazard research lab. The thing is, it's at the top of this freakishly long elevator shaft that's guarded by lasers. It's sort of a drag when the elevators are out and you have to climb the whole shaft while trying to avoid being fried. Still, I wouldn't trade the job for anything- we get free UV tanning sessions every time we come to work!!! Is that great or what?

  65. A few extra paychecks? by Lanoitarus · · Score: 1

    It strikes me that if I made a dead man's switch programed to send emails every thursday morning to my boss saying "The project is coming along well, we are still having trouble getting the needed data from the client, but everything on our side is on schedule", I could probably snag a few extra weeks/months/years paychecks for my family before he caught on....

    1. Re:A few extra paychecks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, you were behind the delay of Windows Vista?

  66. Bulk mails a pro-patent appeal to every MP by giafly · · Score: 1

    Not much, I know, but it's the nearest I can easily get to nuking civilization from orbit.

    Seems these dead songwriters had a similar idea.

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    Reduce, reuse, cycle
  67. Because we're all a bit similar. by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Because we're all somewhat similar, and things would suck mightily if nobody gave a thought to the world after their death. I suppose caring what people think of you is just a reflection of that. It's kind of like the Prisoner's Dilemma; sure, it may profit you to be a dick, but if everyone did it, we'd be in serious trouble.

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    Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
  68. Rubber hose time! by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 1

    Sounds like someone needs some deniable encryption. Strong vs court orders and some guy beating the shit out of you with a rubber hose!

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    Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
  69. Re:You have 10 minutes to reach minimum safe dista by twosmokes · · Score: 1

    Well, it is the only way to be sure.

  70. He probably can't by ivan256 · · Score: 1

    It's not his fault. They don't teach programmers how to implement stateful software without a RDBMS anymore. It's too hard for the teachers and the students. You'd have to teach parsing, and all sorts of other theoretical computer science. Why do that when you can just learn SQL?

  71. A small thermonuclear device ... by srobert · · Score: 1

    My Dead Man's Switch detonates a small thermonuclear device that I have hidden somewhere where my enemies are abundant...:-)

      Dear Dept of Homeland Security official, this is a joke.

    1. Re:A small thermonuclear device ... by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 1

      Somebody set up us the bomb.

      You have no chance to survive make your time. Ha ha ha ha.

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  72. My karma is my dead man's switch by guruevi · · Score: 2, Funny

    Whenever I'm close to computers and electronics, everything works smoothly. If I leave for more than a few days, the whole environment starts coming down, and it's not something I programmed, just something that happens.

    My first job, I got fired, the next week the whole AD environment went down for hours on end
    My second job, I quit, the next week, all firewalls went into some type of crash, the network was overloaded by a broadcast-zombie and there was some type of virus
    I left home, went living somewhere else, the computer of my dad smoked, he had to buy a new one
    Another job, I was a freelancer, I left, next week I got bunches of nagios alerts
    Another job, I was a sysadmin, I got laid off, next week, nobody could receive e-mail and some type of update made it that networking got in trouble
    Last job, I was a sysadmin, I got fired, yesterday somebody told me that the whole network was down (>30000 nodes)

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    Custom electronics and digital signage for your business: www.evcircuits.com
  73. My DMS by Kazymyr · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...will encrypt all my personal data with quadruple-ROT13. That'll show'em!

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    I hadn't known there were so many idiots in the world until I started using the Internet -Stanislaw Lem
  74. Re: Deadspam by psydeshow · · Score: 1

    > Now, on the other hand, the possibility of spoofing dead man's letters from other people *does* sound promising.

    Genius!

    And with a disclaimer at the end: "I designed this system to only trigger in the event of my *actual* death. Anyone pretending to be me, and saying that I'm still alive, should be ignored."

  75. Not if I can help it! by Cybrex · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm wearing a DMS of sorts right now. It's a bracelet that contains post-mortem instructions to chill my body to 10 C, do CPR, push an anticoagulant, and the 800# of the cryonics company with which I'm signed up.

    Of course, the most important single word on the bracelet is "REWARD". :-)

    I've also made sure that my wife (who is in the process of signing up) and my friends (some of whom are also signed up) are on board with this, and willing to go to bat for me if the coroner decides to get uppity.

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    Boundless Expansion, Self-Transformation, Dynamic Optimism, Intelligent Technology, Spontaneous Order- BEST DO IT SO!
    1. Re:Not if I can help it! by crabpeople · · Score: 1

      Better get to know richard dawkins or someone else you anticipate being famous in the future or they will have no reason to unthaw you time child.

      --
      I'll just use my special getting high powers one more time...
    2. Re:Not if I can help it! by AdamThor · · Score: 1

      "CR290-6b, reporting. Another of the chilled meat-things has been found. Projected breakdown for maximum profit is as follows:

      - quantum resonance reading of memory units produces footage that is generally profitable as network entertainment.
      - meat structure slaved as sub-processor.
      - bio-electric field along with a form of fusion will provide all the energy we will ever need.

      CR290-6 series asserts ownership of standard 13.5% of net profits. EndTransmission."

      --
      -- "Oh. This guy again."
    3. Re:Not if I can help it! by illuminatedwax · · Score: 1

      Brilliant! Now future generations can unthaw you and bring you back when their civilization has figured out how to cure death!

      --
      Did you ever notice that *nix doesn't even cover Linux?
    4. Re:Not if I can help it! by Cybrex · · Score: 1

      While the cost of maintaining patients in cryostatis is minimal, at some point it becomes more cost effective to revive them than to leave them as is in perpetuity.

      Aside from that, there'll be a significant publicity value associated with the first few revivals. After it becomes clear that people *can* be revived, the idea of just leaving the rest in stasis becomes ethically questionable.

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      Boundless Expansion, Self-Transformation, Dynamic Optimism, Intelligent Technology, Spontaneous Order- BEST DO IT SO!
    5. Re:Not if I can help it! by Cybrex · · Score: 1

      There's nothing magical about clinical death, and as long as you are preserved well enough that your original synaptic structures can be extrapolated then reviving you, while a difficult technical challenge, is certainly within the laws of physics. Electron micrographs indicate that under good circumstances current cryosuspension techniques preserve synaptic structures quite well.

      Cryonics is certainly not a guaranteed thing (unlike your fate with burial or cremation), but the "once you're dead you're dead" argument doesn't actually have much technical merit outside of the framework of current technology.

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      Boundless Expansion, Self-Transformation, Dynamic Optimism, Intelligent Technology, Spontaneous Order- BEST DO IT SO!
    6. Re:Not if I can help it! by Cybrex · · Score: 1

      That sounds just like my boss! Great! I'll feel right at home in the dehumanized, humans-are-merely-physical-resources future! :-)

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      Boundless Expansion, Self-Transformation, Dynamic Optimism, Intelligent Technology, Spontaneous Order- BEST DO IT SO!
  76. As all modern Vikings Know by dingbatdr · · Score: 1

    Nothing lives on after you except your deeds and your software.

    See you all in /usr/sbin/cron valhalla

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    The truth is an offense, but not a sin.------R. N. Marley
  77. Dear Mom, by hoggoth · · Score: 1

    Dear Mom,
      If you are reading this message it means that either

    (a) I am dead. Sorry, I love you, and tell Dad I'm sorry we always fight. I never told you... I am a gay pedophile. I couldn't find a way to tell you, but now that I am dead I suppose I'd rather you know the truth. Also, Dad has been cheating on you with Mrs. McCartney for years. Don't take that shit from him any more. Tell him to stop it or leave him! You deserve better!

    or

    (b) I have a bug in my dead-man's-switch script. If this is the case, please ignore this message.

    --
    - For the complete works of Shakespeare: cat /dev/random (may take some time)
  78. My SAAS Dead Man Switch by knoppIT · · Score: 1

    After the Asian Tsunami we knocked up http://www.sendansos.com/ to help travelers register their travel intentions. A user creates one or more contacts, then enters a travel plan (including a return date). If the user doesn't sign in by the return date the system sends an SMS (or email) SOS message to their contacts. You might be shocked at the size of the user base!

  79. A Better Dead Man's Switch by rdmiller3 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I hadn't really thought about this until the question came up, but it sounded like a fun mental challenge so I came up with a few ideas for improving the concept:

    Multiple Activation Stages The first thing that came to my mind was a DMS to warn you that your main DMS will be triggered soon if you don't "check in". A second stage would send a similar warning to a few other people, encouraging them to find you and to personally warn you about the DMS themselves. You might want to disguise that one as a "request for critical maintenance" from a system which sounds important. Secure Check-In Protocol Have your DMS send you a unique check-in ID which you must use in your response. Or if a first-stage DMS has already been triggered, require a special password for deactivation of the continuing DMS sequence. Multiple Triggers More than one trigger input, in combination and/or in sequence, to more robustly define the conditions for activation. For example, if you haven't checked in recently AND several check-in reminder messages have bounced.

    Ultimately though, if it's something important then I think a human being should be part of the process. A person would be a good sanity check. Nobody writes bug-free software, and I'm guessing that it could be pretty difficult to test a complicated DMS.

  80. So, in principle nobody should hire you.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Given that all of it happens when you leave (on your own volition or by invitation) it appears to be safest not to ever employ you in the first place. Good for your karma, crap for your bank balance unless someone hires you to get you employed by the competition :-).

  81. No intention of feeding worms... by The+Last+Gunslinger · · Score: 1

    You may consider yourself fodder for the nematodes, but I have no intention of ever shuffling off this mortal coil.

  82. My experiences with DMS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I normally post under my id but will post A.C. for this one, since I signed all the usual corporate confidentiality agreements etc.
    I have had two experiences with dead man switches, one for myself and one I was on the receiving end of.

    Lke many /. readers I have multiple jobs, both my experiences are related to one of my contract jobs and not my regular job.
    The DMS I have sends work related information including passwords, file locations and contact information to one of my employers if I don't reset it once a week. I work from home in another state from my bosses on that job so this is actually useful. The rare times I am doing field work I change the reset interval to 48 hours. My work for this job is 99.99% boring but that last .01 has gotten hairy twice in the many years I have worked for them. Fortunately I haven't needed that switch yet. :)

    The one I was on the receiving of end was just plain odd. My bosses called me and I took the day off from my regular job. I took the information my bosses gave me to a lawyer and then the key from the lawyer to a bank and processed what I found in the safety deposit box. Another researcher in the state who I had never met had died, natural causes, he had a system similar to mine and I was the only other employee in the state with the background to handle his documents. Weird, weird feeling as I am not the super spy type to be meeting lawyers, going to strange banks and opening strange safety deposit boxes.

    As I got about one hour notice it was fun trying to explain to my day job bosses why I had abruptly taken the day off. My day job bosses were very nice but not entirely happy with me vanishing for a day on zero notice and my only answers being, "It was a suprise to me as well, I don't expect it to happen again. It was work related for one of my other jobs. Yes it was important enough for me to take a day off from work so abruptly and no I can't talk about it since I signed the confidentiality agreement. No I am not a spy and my work is mostly intermittent, boring occasionally important."


    For death related stuff I have a lawyer for the legal stuff and a trusted friend to handle the local stuff, whose responsibilities are backed up by the lawyer in case the friend and I both kick the bucket at the same time.


    I'd like a DMS activated deathray or something but I am not confident enough in my programming skills to guarantee it wouldn't go off by accident from a chron job error or some other glitch. :)

    1. Re:My experiences with DMS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm curious - even for a part-time job, why did you have exclusive control of information that your bosses need? Was it because it was work-in-progress on your computer?

      Can you give any more hints about what kind of business you were working for part-time?

  83. What about a power outage? by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

    I can think of 2 scenarios for a power outage.

    1. The DMS is controlled from my local PC, and it doesn't go off if I die during the outage.

    2. The DMS is at a remote location, and I can't cancel it because my power is out.

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    Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
  84. Sex work. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Posting anonymously for obvious reasons.

    I used to do sex-work. Before I'd go out on a call, I'd put all the information I had about the client/call, put it in an envelope, and leave it in a prominent place in my apartment.

    Not a technological one, but still, same concept.

  85. What if she is the one that killed you? by brainchill · · Score: 1

    What if your wife is the one that killed you? Due to my overt geekiness I'm sure mine has come close. Asside from that I'm not entirely certain my wife's memory doesn't operate from a perl mysql interface.

  86. People intolerant of others' cultures, and... by MS-06FZ · · Score: 1

    And worse than that: the jerks who bitch about the bastards that complain about the people who constantly moan about grammar nazis!

    And, you know, there's only one thing worse than them... ...the Dutch!

    (but dude, seriously, learn to spell.)

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    ---GEC
    I'm but the humble pupil, seeking to snatch the scratchbuilt pebble from the master's fully articulated hand
  87. Re:Presumption of Guilt by Technician · · Score: 1

    I see lots of talk of illegal stuff on my drive and going to jail. To set matters straight, the drive is my SOHO server. It contains my Turbo Tax returns, all my banking information including account numbers, routing, card numbers, pin's, bank contact information including passphrases.

    This is stuff that I want to die when the alarm goes off. Home robberies do happen and easy access to all that information is not something I want laying around unencrypted. If I am truly dead, it being locked is not a problem. My will in the safe deposit box takes care of it. If I am gone for a while and I have a break-in, the data is secure. If there is a court order for the data, at least I know who gets the information.

    Don't assume data security equals illegal activity.

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    The truth shall set you free!
  88. Re:Data Security and illegal activity by Technician · · Score: 2, Insightful

    several TB of porn.

    Nice idea, but that is not near as much of a problem as my tax returns, all my bank and credit card details including passphrases, pins, account numbers, contact numbers, etc.

    If I am gone and the home alarm goes off, it drops power to the SOHO server locking the filesystem. Home burglaries do happen. Having someone get your porn collection is not a big deal. Having someoone steal your identity is a big deal.

    The alarm interface is simple. The alarm output operates a relay between the SOHO server and the UPS.

    don't assume data security equals illegal activity

    I pratice prudent data security.

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    The truth shall set you free!
  89. Life insurance by Rich+Klein · · Score: 1

    Does my life insurance count as a dead man's switch? I don't have to check in on a regular basis, so maybe not...

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    -Rich
  90. Black hole? by gottabeme · · Score: 1

    But then it would emit all of your data to the entire universe as x-rays.

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    "Those who consume the bulk of goods are those who make them. We must never forget this secret of our prosperity."
  91. Re:Data Security and illegal activity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Egad man. You've thought way too hard about this problem. The guy robbing your house is looking for a quick buck by stealing your ipod. Rather than lugging a server and searching it for hidden accounts and password-protected, he's better off grabbing your garbage if he wanted to do identity theft.

  92. Degauss Coil over the door by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and some futuristic high level data encryption
    And a weapon of some destruction targeting whichever google server/s have my emails on them

  93. Re:Data Security and illegal activity by Technician · · Score: 1

    Rather than lugging a server and searching it

    My server isn't that big.

    http://www.simpleshare.com/

    It isn't always the thief you worry about. It's the buyer of used hard drives on e-bay. Many times they buy drives to datamine.

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    The truth shall set you free!
  94. Bah! by Valdrax · · Score: 1

    No matter how inflated our egos, after a few tears and a small feast for the worms, the planet will continue as if we never even happened. Why complicate matters with a dead man's switch?

    Bah! You and your pathetic, egocentric obsession with the ephemeral nature of organic life.

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    If it's for-profit but free, you're not the customer -- you're the product (e.g., the Slashdot Beta's "audience").