Stacker was a PATENT INFRINGEMENT CASE, not a stolen IP case.
Not trying to start a war here, but what is the difference? Companies protect IP through patents. Stac had a sucessful software product and Microsoft wanted to include the same features with MS DOS without paying fair value for it (or what Stac said fair value was).
They were in negotiations (late 1991) with Stac and willfully included the technology into MS DOS without having an agreement.
An excellent reply by the way, a refreshing change from the normal/. drivel. A link to the case history is here:
http://www.vaxxine.com/lawyers/articles/stac.htm l
An excellent link to compression patents can be found here:
3Com - Lan Manger/Netbios was swipped from 3Com. Stacker - Stolen compression technology, case later settled by MS. Caldera - DR DOS. Case settled, court records sealed.
IBM - Microsoft stole monopoly power from them back in the early 90's. -:)
It would raise rates all over the place. People who think that they'll get a better deal by only paying for one channel will quintuple call volume at call centers. By calling in several times per day to change programming.
This would not happen at all. Intelligent cable boxes are already on the market with the ability to meter on a per view basis. Treat the cable boxes the same way the power company treats your meter. With resonable pricing your cable bill should come down about two thirds. Ten cents an hour for HBO, two cents an hour for ABC etc.
Of course the cable monopolies won't want to see this happen. This would force them from thier fixed income model into a variable rate model. It may even work against people like me who flip channels during commercials.
I'm sorry, not trying to start a flame war or anything. But who is this story for? Windows users?
This service needs IE, WMA, and a Windows Box? It won't work under my MacIntosh, Linux, or Home Entertainment system(s)? The songs won't work in my car, walkman or the kids boom-box?
Well maybe this is news I can use. I know I won't be using my disposable income on this service.
First off, I don't see why you don't have multiple computers. If you don't have space for multiple computers then disregard this post. My house has a mix of Mac's, PC's, Apple II's and a C64. You see, way before I had kids, I bought my first Apple. I still have all that software and have elected to maintain my purchase of that software by keeping a working Apple, XT, and C64. My purchased software (games) accross all platforms is about 400(+- 10) titles.
I have 3 kids. They range between the ages of 5 and 13. Not only do they have multiple computers to play with, but they also have 3 Nintendo game systems to play. Between the Nintendo, Computer, TV, and Homework, they spend about 2/3 of thier time with each. The other 1/3 is spent outdoors/School activities.
I don't limit what the kids play on the computer. What I have found is that the kids play whatever has the "cool" factor for the month. Under Linux they play Heroes, LBreakout, and Pingus. Under Windows they play Harry Potter, Roller Coaster Tycoon, etc. They still like the games played under the Apple/C64, Frogger, Defender, Pacman, Carmen San Diego, etc. All insist on playing Zany Golf for the IIgs. The older son plays Starcraft and Warcraft under WINE (he likes the fact that he can cheat and play within the same desktop).
As far as online games, the kids like cartoon.network and disney.com. They use netscape 4.7x (win/linux) with the latest plugins (I'm sorry, but I can't get mozilla to work with the lastest plugins and be fast). They know they can't change web sites without parent consent (access is monitored at firewall).
We tried WinXP and your right, it doesn't play half of the kids titles. I took it back for a refund and reinstalled Win98SE. As far as win 3.1 titles (Lion King, Lenny Music Tunes) and DOS Games (MK3, Wing Commander, Duke2-3, etc). Dual boot Win98/Linux meets all my domestic needs.
Don't force your family to Linux, just be open to their needs. Linux is not a cure all. Just a way to do things different.
A slashdot poll is like wearing a parka during winter. What seems to work in Tampa, may not work in New York.
My wife and kids still use Windows on two of our nine boxes here in my kingdom. Does my wife like Windows? Not especially (She want's a purple MAC, I can't afford it). The kids have gotten used to thier games locking up and know how to either shut the game off (ALT-F4/Taskmgr) or turn the computer off. This is OK with me. WINE doesn't run everything. Will XP/2000 ever be in our house? Never.
At my small workplace we are a multi-platform shop. We support AIX, OS/2, SCO, Win Whatever, NCR, HPUX, Linux, and (believe it or not) Dr Dos. I have been using Linux there for almost two years.I use under WINE(VSS and VC6) with no problems. With our recent BSA audit we have all the developers running redhat 8.0. The sales staff is now using Open Office. With the exception of the one VB scripter (I won't call him a programmer, VB is not programming) (WINE and OLE don't mix), my new Linux converts seem to be happy. All three (C/C++ programmers) have added Linux boxes to thier home. I even get the "Gee Wiz" comments that I already know about.
I use Linux on my primary machines. When I am at 30,000 feet Linux will never ask for the CD.I still boot to Windows 98 to play Duke3D and Starcraft. I use Linux because I like full control over my computer. I used to use OS/2 but we won't go there. It is my computer right? I can program it, I can play games on it. I can have it handle my checking account (15 years and counting on the checkbook, gotta love importing spreadsheets).
Microsoft stopped letting me have full control of my computer when they introduced the GID and the registry. Microsoft stopped letting me have control of my own programs back in 1993 when they changed thier netDDE API's into NetOle. They broke a years worth of work. I and my ex-employer at the time have never forgiven them. I now code (since win95), at the lowest level, win32.
Newbie clue: It's not about the Apps, the IDE, the code, and the language. It doesn't matter about the OS. It's about the business knowledge. If you spend a year writing the killer application, and you use another companies libraries to implement your solution, you are at that companies mercy. Write it from scratch when you can.
Anyway, I am comfortably numb right now. I am not going to spell check. I am using Linux/Mozilla to type this in. My laptop is quite happy right now with the job it has been given It is recompiling a new kernel with PCMCIA support for my companies latest project (a Multi-Serial/wireless server).
If you like Linux you can kiss my ass. If you like windows you can kiss my ass. ProDos still rules.
I agree, what mindless drivel. All rant and no facts.
Quote: It should be a crime to teach people C/C++.
Then further into the article: Whenever possible, use industry standards. For example: POSIX, ANSI C, OpenGL, SQL, etc. Resist using non-standard extensions, if you must have them, keep them limited.
I feel for his clients. Slashdot blew it on this story.
Glad to seen the Atari vs Amiga vs Apple folks are still alive and willing to defend thier platforms of choice.
Anyway, does anyone remember COMPUTIST magazine? I just inherited 5 years worth from a ex-pal's nasty divorce (He knew I would take care of them where his ex might have thrown them out). I placed them with my 198x - 1994 editions of: Compute (before they split into separate rags), Compute Amiga, Compute Apple, A2, GS+, InCider, and, of course, my favorite, Nibble.
Now all I have to do is find a scanner that works under Linux so I can archive these 600+ retro magazines.
And just to start an argument, I'll bet that my Apple can take out your Amiga and Atari!
"automated sales and services system," Prior to their patent, In 1988/89 I coded a program that did just that for a Food Distributor. Salesmen would dial a 800 number, and without any human intervention, the program would take the sales order, process it, and service it by adding the items to the stores next delivery. The salesmen were using symbol barcode readers with 300 baud modems.
"automatic business and financial transaction-processing system." This is the patent that confuses me the most. I worked for a Bank. I moved money through the FED nightly. Our own patent office doesn't recognize how the FED works?
Is this company prepared to sue the FED???
I have source code available for lawyers to review once they have cleared it with my previous employers.
And never confuse the claim that the US invented the Internet with the idea that the US invented computer networking.
Interesting. Who did invent the first real network. My first recollection is Datapoint (A defunct US firm) back in the early 1960's. They used the first version of Arcnet to connect multiple CPU's.
I have the same MAC Id on a ISA Linksys card. A couple of years back the house got hit by lightning and I'm guessing some stray voltage came in on the phone/DSL line. Everything seemed to be Ok except when I tried to print/browse on my internal network. Internet surfing was fine, only LAN surfing was disabled.
To make a long story short, Netbios won't work without a valid MAC ID. TCP/IP couldn't care less. Needless to say, I now use that card in the firewall. It's the one attached to the DSL.
The Constitution does not demand Federalism. The Constitution is a list of compromises between the big central government supporters (Democrats) and States Rights advocates (Whigs AKA Republicans).
As far as moving 20000 people into an new environment, does this not conflict with libertarian doctrine? You would end up displacing the current residents, therefore making them the minority. You would violate their right to control thier own destiny. Democracy in it's simpliest form is "Majority rules with the rights of the Minority protected".
As far as your project, I wish you well, but like someone else mentioned here, you would be better off starting your own PAC. 20000 * $250 each would purchase a least one new Congressman, possibly a couple of used ones.
What is your point? I only questioned Hepkat. When is the last time you saw 20x30 fire control on any submarine? Never? Ok then. If I was in the Navy, we/they always called them boomers. Trident missiles, yeah right (wink, wink). When you were in Bremeton, did you get on a SSBN? Don't think so.
Hmmm, Trident missiles. Always?, No. Did you hear about the Tomahawks? Just curious.
I haven't been in the Navy for some time, but the last I checked, no one gets aboard a boomer. Again, I question the validity of Hepkat statements.
There is no such thing as a "nuclear trident sub". I question the validity of your post. You may have visited a George Washington class (SSBN-xxx ) submarine, the last of which, was retired in 1984.
I'm not trying to start a flame war here but allow me to help you see the bigger picture.
This is but another example of MS FUD (tm) at work. They have done this in the past to DR DOS, IBM's OS/2, Novell, 3Com, GEOS, Borland, and the list goes on. This advertising flub made it to the AP Newswire. Most misinformation MS spreads doesn't and viewers don't realize they are not seeing the whole truth. I agree that other companies do this as well, but no one does it better than Microsoft.
Secondly, the Einstein advertisement had nothing to do with owning a Mac. You didn't seen the big bold caption at the bottom of the page that said "Think Different"?
Getting back on topic -- funny that MS pulled it so quick. Ticks me off that they do the same with other pages. i.e. IE, Media Player. I need to be able to test on OLDER versions.
I don't find it all surprising that they pulled it so fast. I think they have several trolls here (Former members of team windows), keeping an eye on linux happenings. One of them read the comments, recognized the PR fiasco, and had a marketroid pull the page.
Actually, there are several Egyptologist who believe the Great Pyramid and the Sphinx date back 12000 years. This pre-dates the Egyptian culture by a few thousand years. The proof? Watermarks on the pyramid and sphinx.
You can find a an article here:
http://www.pyramidsarenotamystery.net/addendum6. ht ml
There are several other references to this on the Web.
Slashdot Mirror
Stacker was a PATENT INFRINGEMENT CASE, not a stolen IP case.
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Not trying to start a war here, but what is the difference? Companies protect IP through patents.
Stac had a sucessful software product and Microsoft wanted to include the same features with MS DOS without paying fair value for it (or what Stac said fair value was).
They were in negotiations (late 1991) with Stac and willfully included the technology into MS DOS without having an agreement.
An excellent reply by the way, a refreshing change from the normal
A link to the case history is here:
http://www.vaxxine.com/lawyers/articles/stac.ht
An excellent link to compression patents can be found here:
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/compression-faq/part1/
Enjoy,
Four important ones....
:)
3Com - Lan Manger/Netbios was swipped from 3Com.
Stacker - Stolen compression technology, case later settled by MS.
Caldera - DR DOS. Case settled, court records sealed.
IBM - Microsoft stole monopoly power from them back in the early 90's. -
Enjoy,
It would raise rates all over the place. People who think that they'll get a better deal by only paying for one channel will quintuple call volume at call centers. By calling in several times per day to change programming.
This would not happen at all. Intelligent cable boxes are already on the market with the ability to meter on a per view basis. Treat the cable boxes the same way the power company treats your meter. With resonable pricing your cable bill should come down about two thirds. Ten cents an hour for HBO, two cents an hour for ABC etc.
Of course the cable monopolies won't want to see this happen. This would force them from thier fixed income model into a variable rate model. It may even work against people like me who flip channels during commercials.
Enjoy,
This is not a TROLL. He is just reminding us the cost of MS in a (bad) way.
accept the terms of XP licenses, even if they want to keep running non XP OS's like Win2k or even Windows 98.
He is stating the new MS server terms where you need a windows license to access a windows server regardless of the platform.
Come on moderators, not everyone who visits slashdot can write in plain english.
Enjoy,
1) XML, SOAP and all these new technologies were pioneered by Microsoft
XML came out of "SGML for the Web" team sponsored by the W3C. I think this was back in 97/98.
Enjoy,
I'm sorry, not trying to start a flame war or anything. But who is this story for? Windows users?
This service needs IE, WMA, and a Windows Box? It won't work under my MacIntosh, Linux, or Home Entertainment system(s)? The songs won't work in my car, walkman or the kids boom-box?
Well maybe this is news I can use. I know I won't be using my disposable income on this service.
Enjoy,
First off, I don't see why you don't have multiple computers. If you don't have space for multiple computers then disregard this post. My house has a mix of Mac's, PC's, Apple II's and a C64. You see, way before I had kids, I bought my first Apple. I still have all that software and have elected to maintain my purchase of that software by keeping a working Apple, XT, and C64. My purchased software (games) accross all platforms is about 400(+- 10) titles.
I have 3 kids. They range between the ages of 5 and 13. Not only do they have multiple computers to play with, but they also have 3 Nintendo game systems to play. Between the Nintendo, Computer, TV, and Homework, they spend about 2/3 of thier time with each. The other 1/3 is spent outdoors/School activities.
I don't limit what the kids play on the computer. What I have found is that the kids play whatever has the "cool" factor for the month. Under Linux they play Heroes, LBreakout, and Pingus. Under Windows they play Harry Potter, Roller Coaster Tycoon, etc. They still like the games played under the Apple/C64, Frogger, Defender, Pacman, Carmen San Diego, etc. All insist on playing Zany Golf for the IIgs. The older son plays Starcraft and Warcraft under WINE (he likes the fact that he can cheat and play within the same desktop).
As far as online games, the kids like cartoon.network and disney.com. They use netscape 4.7x (win/linux) with the latest plugins (I'm sorry, but I can't get mozilla to work with the lastest plugins and be fast). They know they can't change web sites without parent consent (access is monitored at firewall).
We tried WinXP and your right, it doesn't play half of the kids titles. I took it back for a refund and reinstalled Win98SE. As far as win 3.1 titles (Lion King, Lenny Music Tunes) and DOS Games (MK3, Wing Commander, Duke2-3, etc). Dual boot Win98/Linux meets all my domestic needs.
Don't force your family to Linux, just be open to their needs. Linux is not a cure all. Just a way to do things different.
Enjoy,
So why don't you stop posting as Anonymous and help
teach the newbies a thing or two.
A slashdot poll is like wearing a parka during winter. What seems to work in Tampa, may not work in New York.
My wife and kids still use Windows on two of our nine boxes here in my kingdom. Does my wife like Windows? Not especially (She want's a purple MAC, I can't afford it). The kids have gotten used to
thier games locking up and know how to either shut the game off (ALT-F4/Taskmgr) or turn the computer off. This is OK with me. WINE doesn't run everything. Will XP/2000 ever be in our house? Never.
At my small workplace we are a multi-platform shop. We support AIX, OS/2, SCO, Win Whatever, NCR, HPUX, Linux, and (believe it or not) Dr Dos. I have been using Linux there for almost two years.I use under WINE(VSS and VC6) with no problems. With our recent BSA audit we have all the developers running redhat 8.0. The sales staff is now using Open Office. With the exception of the one VB scripter (I won't call him a programmer, VB is not programming) (WINE and OLE don't mix), my new Linux converts seem to be happy. All three (C/C++ programmers) have added Linux boxes to thier home. I even get the "Gee Wiz" comments that I already know about.
I use Linux on my primary machines. When I am at 30,000 feet Linux will never ask for the CD.I still boot to Windows 98 to play Duke3D and Starcraft. I use Linux because I like full control over my computer. I used to use OS/2 but we won't go there. It is my computer right? I can program it, I can play games on it. I can have it handle my checking account (15 years and counting on the checkbook, gotta love importing spreadsheets).
Microsoft stopped letting me have full control of my computer when they introduced the GID and the registry. Microsoft stopped letting me have control of my own programs back in 1993 when they changed thier netDDE API's into NetOle. They broke a years worth of work. I and my ex-employer at the time have never forgiven them. I now code (since win95), at the lowest level, win32.
Newbie clue: It's not about the Apps, the IDE, the code, and the language. It doesn't matter about the OS. It's about the business knowledge. If you spend a year writing the killer application, and you use another companies libraries to implement your solution, you are at that companies mercy. Write it from scratch when you can.
Anyway, I am comfortably numb right now. I am not going to spell check. I am using Linux/Mozilla to type this in. My laptop is quite happy right now with the job it has been given It is recompiling a new kernel with PCMCIA support for my companies latest project (a Multi-Serial/wireless server).
If you like Linux you can kiss my ass. If you like windows you can kiss my ass. ProDos still rules.
Enjoy,
I agree, what mindless drivel. All rant and no facts.
Quote:
It should be a crime to teach people C/C++.
Then further into the article:
Whenever possible, use industry standards. For example: POSIX, ANSI C, OpenGL, SQL, etc. Resist using non-standard extensions, if you must have them, keep them limited.
I feel for his clients. Slashdot blew it on this story.
Enjoy,
Glad to seen the Atari vs Amiga vs Apple folks are still alive and willing to defend thier platforms of choice.
Anyway, does anyone remember COMPUTIST magazine? I just inherited 5 years worth from a ex-pal's nasty divorce (He knew I would take care of them where his ex might have thrown them out). I placed them with my 198x - 1994 editions of: Compute (before they split into separate rags), Compute Amiga, Compute Apple, A2, GS+, InCider, and, of course, my favorite, Nibble.
Now all I have to do is find a scanner that works under Linux so I can archive these 600+ retro magazines.
And just to start an argument, I'll bet that my
Apple can take out your Amiga and Atari!
Enjoy
Within the whole thread I didn't see other locations to purchase this. Can you post your links? Google search only returns a game review.
I would like to purchase this for my 5 year old, soon to be six next month, for his birthday.
Thanks,
I agree and this comment should not be tagged as TROLL. I take it "Team Windows" is in charge of moderating tonight.
Enjoy,
From the article:
"automated sales and services system,"
Prior to their patent, In 1988/89 I coded a program that did just that for a Food Distributor. Salesmen would dial a 800 number, and without any human intervention, the program would take the sales order, process it, and service it by adding the items to the stores next delivery. The salesmen were using symbol barcode readers with 300 baud modems.
"automatic business and financial transaction-processing system."
This is the patent that confuses me the most. I worked for a Bank. I moved money through the FED nightly. Our own patent office doesn't recognize how the FED works?
Is this company prepared to sue the FED???
I have source code available for lawyers to review once they have cleared it with my previous employers.
Ok, calm down, have a beer (gulp). Enjoy,
And never confuse the claim that the US invented the Internet with the idea that the US invented computer networking.
Interesting. Who did invent the first real network. My first recollection is Datapoint (A defunct US firm) back in the early 1960's. They used the first version of Arcnet to connect multiple CPU's.
Do you know of any earlier references.
Thanks,
I have the same MAC Id on a ISA Linksys card. A couple of years back the house got hit by lightning and I'm guessing some stray voltage came in on the phone/DSL line. Everything seemed to be Ok except when I tried to print/browse on my internal network. Internet surfing was fine, only LAN surfing was disabled.
To make a long story short, Netbios won't work without a valid MAC ID. TCP/IP couldn't care less.
Needless to say, I now use that card in the firewall. It's the one attached to the DSL.
Enjoy,
The Constitution does not demand Federalism. The Constitution is a list of compromises between the big central government supporters (Democrats) and States Rights advocates (Whigs AKA Republicans).
As far as moving 20000 people into an new environment, does this not conflict with libertarian doctrine? You would end up displacing the current residents, therefore making them the minority. You would violate their right to control thier own destiny. Democracy in it's simpliest form is "Majority rules with the rights of the Minority protected".
As far as your project, I wish you well, but like someone else mentioned here, you would be better off starting your own PAC. 20000 * $250 each would purchase a least one new Congressman, possibly a couple of used ones.
Enjoy,
Great reference to Mad Max. That is the first thing I thought of when reading the article.
I'm sure the KKK, Hell's Angels, Skin Heads etc will all be holding thier annual conventions in this place once formed.
Enjoy,
Caddy Shack when he is talking with Chevy Chase.
What is your point? I only questioned Hepkat. When is the last time you saw 20x30 fire control on any submarine? Never? Ok then. If I was in the Navy, we/they always called them boomers. Trident missiles, yeah right (wink, wink). When you were in Bremeton, did you get on a SSBN? Don't think so.
Hmmm, Trident missiles. Always?, No. Did you hear about the Tomahawks? Just curious.
I haven't been in the Navy for some time, but the last I checked, no one gets aboard a boomer. Again, I question the validity of Hepkat statements.
Enjoy,
There is no such thing as a "nuclear trident sub". I question the validity of your post. You may have visited a George Washington class (SSBN-xxx ) submarine, the last of which, was retired in 1984.
Got Facts?
Enjoy,
I'm not trying to start a flame war here but allow me to help you see the bigger picture.
This is but another example of MS FUD (tm) at work. They have done this in the past to DR DOS, IBM's OS/2, Novell, 3Com, GEOS, Borland, and the list goes on. This advertising flub made it to the AP Newswire. Most misinformation MS spreads doesn't and viewers don't realize they are not seeing the whole truth. I agree that other companies do this as well, but no one does it better than Microsoft.
Secondly, the Einstein advertisement had nothing to do with owning a Mac. You didn't seen the big bold caption at the bottom of the page that said "Think Different"?
Enjoy,
Getting back on topic -- funny that MS pulled it so quick. Ticks me off that they do the same with other pages. i.e. IE, Media Player. I need to be able to test on OLDER versions.
I don't find it all surprising that they pulled it so fast. I think they have several trolls here (Former members of team windows), keeping an eye on linux happenings. One of them read the comments, recognized the PR fiasco, and had a marketroid pull the page.
Enjoy,
Friday nights are meant for Lan parties. Beer, Chips, and Death matches. It's the only way to wind down from a 55+ hour week.
Why can't they show this on Sunday when there is nothing else on? Oh Well, I have to wait until it goes into syndication.
Enjoy,
Actually, there are several Egyptologist who believe the Great Pyramid and the Sphinx date back 12000 years. This pre-dates the Egyptian culture by a few thousand years. The proof? Watermarks on the pyramid and sphinx.
. ht ml
You can find a an article here:
http://www.pyramidsarenotamystery.net/addendum6
There are several other references to this on the Web.
Enjoy,