If there is a business need for something then it should be evaluated nad secured. And yes... if the employer paid for the equipment, and reducing the freedom of the workers helps eliminate viruses, spyware, and vulnerabilities then it is more then ok. People talk about the "clueless" home users... most of them have the same amount of a clue while at work. Yes you could use training and such, but the resoures involved are worth the result. i.e. people are still the ones making the decision. No employer is required to give Internet access so users can go hit gaming sites. That is a waste of money, and if you want to trade that for less flexibility with working hours or lower slaaries be the company has to pick the added expenses of tons of crappy software that mostly works to protect the network then so be it.
"In any case, network guys in my experience are far too willing to reduce the usability of the network because letting the users get full use out of it means more work for the network guy."
What is useability? Is useability using hte network for bunsiness purposes? Then no, network guys should not do that, and I never condoned that. Is usability allowing users to waste and employers money for "freedom"? Ha...
As for the USB port comment... they should be controlled... if your company works in banking or health care, then they have a goverment mandate to control the information that leaves the network. If the company has trade secrets, then it is in the best interests of the company to restrict the freeflow of those trade secrets as if they don't some lawyer will point out that since they didnt attempt ot protect their trade secrets, that the comapny can't sue the former employee for taking that info. It baffles me to think that employees somehow think they have "rights" on someone elses network... it's laughable.
Wrong, I am controlling a risk to a comapny network. Throwing around words like "totalitatian" doesn't make you right! The resources in question belong wholely to the employer, the risks of allowing this traffic are to the employer, and the right to control traffic is also on the employer. We are not talking about a evil regime, we are talking about a company that provides wonderful flexibility for employees including hours that employees get to set and time off on a whim for childrens emergencies etc, but also controls costs by controlling the websites allowed in the trusted sites list.
You are making many assumptions about the company based on the IT staff making the right decision (for once) in using white lists for trusted sites. Utilizing black lists is a wasted effort, putting on loads of anti-spyware just slows computers and doesn't catch everything. No employee complains, they can still read news sites, go to sports team sites, etc etc. We are not blocking websites, we are just disabling active code. Yes... some stuff doesn't work, but everything else on the network does cause it isn't infested with anti-totalitatianism (You know... Bonzi buddy) What do you work for Spyware companies or something? Trying to wrap the security of a network with being a nazi? Ha... nice try....
How is anything that is not business realted useful? every site they need is accessible via the trusted sites. yes, the first time they need it, there is a small delay as the admin adds it, but generally, the list is pretty static. So far I have a network with no spyware on it... 4 years now.. no anti spyware solution, but no spyware. Users aren't suppose be playing games etc anyways, are you saying the network would be more useful if they coudl play games, download spyware, and be exploited by this vuln? Your definition of useful is serious flawed. Who is the iddiot? The one who implements a process like this which is proven to be working, and accepted by users (after an initial complaining period) or the one whos is constantly cleaning up the mess his poor implemntation caused?
In my network, we use group policies to enforce all computers browse the Internet at the high level. What happens when a user needs JS? Well they send the admin a email, and if the site is legit, we add to the global trusted sites...
Block all, only allow what is legitimate.
A security principal we should be using... Whitelists are much better then black lists.
This vuln will only affect my network if one of the trusted sites gets infected, but that is a much reduced risk from the phishin emails etc with links to bad sites... I.e., like anything is only as secure as how the administrator configured it.
Now for home users.. Microsoft WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU THINKING/shrug felt good to say at least.
You, sir, need to check you facts.
While I agree with the Water being important, it also should be pointed out that it takes your precious WATER to grow crops as well. And BioDiesel is not just a fancy name for a mixture of oil and either ethanol, kerosene, or petro-diesel. Biodiesel is a different product, created by using oils such as animal, plant or other organic oils. What you are thinking about are biodiesel blends.
"you might have to give it a bit of a spray " spray of what?/sigh Do you know the amount of energy required for ethanol? Consider Farming, distilling, transport etc. Ethanol is not very viable at his point, it survives on subsudies. Biodiesel is more viable, but we have a country that is gas based. I would love to see more biodiesel, but people need to buy diuesels first.
Not saying Poster is security risk. But as someone who does security audits for banks, "taking data home" ie becoming more and more of a Security risk. It is easy for an employee to copy, burn, etc information with customer data with it. Another issue is smaller banks don't have the dedicated resources to devote to proper DRM and OEMS like Dell often include CD-Rs and make USB flash drives so cheap that it gets more and more troublesom to block it.
Actually, I once received a request from Cisco to give them my CC for a RMA we were doing. (it was a legit request.. they needed me to pay for something.. it was illegit method of delivering the info.) I cried foul and went up the ladder several levels eventually getting to someone high up. I stated that in the world of phishing attacks and such, that to have a "reputable" networking company ask for a CC number via email was awful. I got a free PIX 506e with free shipping out of the deal. They were stupid and they knew it.
Shouldn't we be protecting this island like a miltary base? I mean, if all it takes is some tremors to set it lose, you think that soem terrorists would be all over that. Ug.. I would hate to think about that.
Congratz! Yes... the virii are mostly windows, and yes, many are due to vuln in Windows, but think! MOst of the users (esp stupid users) are WIndows users...
nevermind... I give up
Rah Rah Linux, if Linux can't do it no one can
Can't beat em Join em.
Maybe instead of using of misunderstood hand signals, we could type or talk to others. This coudl reduce road rage! This will fix every problem on the road today!!!
Or we'll just find that the middle digit really means F$#@ you.
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Agreed, we have land in central wisconsin and will be hunting this Saturday. The life pigs, chickens, cows, etc is awful! Plus after all the hormones and antibiotics (so they get big and don't die of diseases when being so crammed) is it still meat? One of the problems we have in WI with the whitetail herd is its growing WAY to large. Yes we have gun they don't, but A. You get fresh, non chemical laced meat that had a free life. B. As I liek to say, better on your Grill (weber) then in your Grill (Ford F150).
The Star wars prequels have created so much stuff to parady it's unbelievable. I think they shoudl scrap the idea of a sequel and do a prequel. Adding young barf, lonestars father. (Could be darth helmet) So much story possibilty here. I have been telling co-workers for a while that we have needed a sequel/prequel to spaceballs. I'm wearing plaid to the theater!!!
I am seeing lots of "die slashdotters" I wonder if it's a kid being stupid or the service trying to send a message...
"Die Slashdotters" = "Help me I can't handle all these hits" in web lingo...
I don't think I said I would be upset by the capture of Bin Laden. I was making the point that it wouldn't surprise me that Bush would use it for political gain. Yes the Capture of Bin Laden is important, but (my opinion here folks) if it helps Bush get re-elected I would be suspicious of it. The timing would be to "right" for it to be a random event. It would serve Bush too well, and perhaps NOT serve the country (once again my opinion here) by letting Bush be re-elected and running this country for 4 more years (or perhaps letting Chaney run the country for 4 more years) I would not in any way be upsetted by the actual capture of Bin Laden. Its the political side of things that worry me.
I see massive spin by the Bush camp. Just like there is the conspiracy theorist in me who thinks the Bush camp is hoping for a terrorist event (or the capture of Bin Landen the week before the election)(Which makes you think.. does the Bush camp already have Bin Laden, and they are just holding him quietly until it's closer to the election?) Anywho...The terrorist event would (in their eyes) unite the nation behind the leader again. This makes me worried. Put that into prespective with this website DDOSing and then you have think that they will use this as an example of people they are fighting and how they are trying to hinder free speech, and the great nations form of polictal will. They will turn it as a favaorable thing for themselves... and any thing that helps Bush makes me sick:(
I find the perfect ying to the technological world of IT is roots music. Bluegrass, Acoustic Folk, Acoustic Jazz etc.
Bill Monroe!
Del McCourey Band!
Nickel Creek!
David Grisman!
Flatt & Scruggs!
Bela Fleck!
These guys "rock":)
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If there is a business need for something then it should be evaluated nad secured. And yes... if the employer paid for the equipment, and reducing the freedom of the workers helps eliminate viruses, spyware, and vulnerabilities then it is more then ok. People talk about the "clueless" home users... most of them have the same amount of a clue while at work. Yes you could use training and such, but the resoures involved are worth the result. i.e. people are still the ones making the decision. No employer is required to give Internet access so users can go hit gaming sites. That is a waste of money, and if you want to trade that for less flexibility with working hours or lower slaaries be the company has to pick the added expenses of tons of crappy software that mostly works to protect the network then so be it. "In any case, network guys in my experience are far too willing to reduce the usability of the network because letting the users get full use out of it means more work for the network guy." What is useability? Is useability using hte network for bunsiness purposes? Then no, network guys should not do that, and I never condoned that. Is usability allowing users to waste and employers money for "freedom"? Ha... As for the USB port comment... they should be controlled... if your company works in banking or health care, then they have a goverment mandate to control the information that leaves the network. If the company has trade secrets, then it is in the best interests of the company to restrict the freeflow of those trade secrets as if they don't some lawyer will point out that since they didnt attempt ot protect their trade secrets, that the comapny can't sue the former employee for taking that info. It baffles me to think that employees somehow think they have "rights" on someone elses network... it's laughable.
Wrong, I am controlling a risk to a comapny network. Throwing around words like "totalitatian" doesn't make you right! The resources in question belong wholely to the employer, the risks of allowing this traffic are to the employer, and the right to control traffic is also on the employer. We are not talking about a evil regime, we are talking about a company that provides wonderful flexibility for employees including hours that employees get to set and time off on a whim for childrens emergencies etc, but also controls costs by controlling the websites allowed in the trusted sites list. You are making many assumptions about the company based on the IT staff making the right decision (for once) in using white lists for trusted sites. Utilizing black lists is a wasted effort, putting on loads of anti-spyware just slows computers and doesn't catch everything. No employee complains, they can still read news sites, go to sports team sites, etc etc. We are not blocking websites, we are just disabling active code. Yes... some stuff doesn't work, but everything else on the network does cause it isn't infested with anti-totalitatianism (You know... Bonzi buddy) What do you work for Spyware companies or something? Trying to wrap the security of a network with being a nazi? Ha... nice try....
Does Bevets have a /. user?
How is anything that is not business realted useful? every site they need is accessible via the trusted sites. yes, the first time they need it, there is a small delay as the admin adds it, but generally, the list is pretty static. So far I have a network with no spyware on it... 4 years now.. no anti spyware solution, but no spyware. Users aren't suppose be playing games etc anyways, are you saying the network would be more useful if they coudl play games, download spyware, and be exploited by this vuln? Your definition of useful is serious flawed. Who is the iddiot? The one who implements a process like this which is proven to be working, and accepted by users (after an initial complaining period) or the one whos is constantly cleaning up the mess his poor implemntation caused?
Because it's secure?
In my network, we use group policies to enforce all computers browse the Internet at the high level. What happens when a user needs JS? Well they send the admin a email, and if the site is legit, we add to the global trusted sites...
/shrug felt good to say at least.
Block all, only allow what is legitimate.
A security principal we should be using... Whitelists are much better then black lists.
This vuln will only affect my network if one of the trusted sites gets infected, but that is a much reduced risk from the phishin emails etc with links to bad sites... I.e., like anything is only as secure as how the administrator configured it.
Now for home users.. Microsoft WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU THINKING
Breath fresh Google Air (tm) as you drive you your Google (tm) Car will sipping on your Google(tm) latte while... And we are worried about Microsoft?
You, sir, need to check you facts. While I agree with the Water being important, it also should be pointed out that it takes your precious WATER to grow crops as well. And BioDiesel is not just a fancy name for a mixture of oil and either ethanol, kerosene, or petro-diesel. Biodiesel is a different product, created by using oils such as animal, plant or other organic oils. What you are thinking about are biodiesel blends. "you might have to give it a bit of a spray " spray of what? /sigh Do you know the amount of energy required for ethanol? Consider Farming, distilling, transport etc. Ethanol is not very viable at his point, it survives on subsudies. Biodiesel is more viable, but we have a country that is gas based. I would love to see more biodiesel, but people need to buy diuesels first.
Not saying Poster is security risk. But as someone who does security audits for banks, "taking data home" ie becoming more and more of a Security risk. It is easy for an employee to copy, burn, etc information with customer data with it. Another issue is smaller banks don't have the dedicated resources to devote to proper DRM and OEMS like Dell often include CD-Rs and make USB flash drives so cheap that it gets more and more troublesom to block it.
I guess it really is time buy stock in the adult entertainment industry... mainly web sites ;)
Mod Parent up for both being relavent AND using a wonderful Fark Cliche!
Actually, I once received a request from Cisco to give them my CC for a RMA we were doing. (it was a legit request.. they needed me to pay for something.. it was illegit method of delivering the info.) I cried foul and went up the ladder several levels eventually getting to someone high up. I stated that in the world of phishing attacks and such, that to have a "reputable" networking company ask for a CC number via email was awful. I got a free PIX 506e with free shipping out of the deal. They were stupid and they knew it.
Shouldn't we be protecting this island like a miltary base? I mean, if all it takes is some tremors to set it lose, you think that soem terrorists would be all over that. Ug.. I would hate to think about that.
Congratz! Yes... the virii are mostly windows, and yes, many are due to vuln in Windows, but think! MOst of the users (esp stupid users) are WIndows users... nevermind... I give up Rah Rah Linux, if Linux can't do it no one can Can't beat em Join em.
I for one, welcome our new fly digesting robot overlords.
Maybe instead of using of misunderstood hand signals, we could type or talk to others. This coudl reduce road rage! This will fix every problem on the road today!!!
Or we'll just find that the middle digit really means F$#@ you.
Agreed, we have land in central wisconsin and will be hunting this Saturday. The life pigs, chickens, cows, etc is awful! Plus after all the hormones and antibiotics (so they get big and don't die of diseases when being so crammed) is it still meat? One of the problems we have in WI with the whitetail herd is its growing WAY to large. Yes we have gun they don't, but A. You get fresh, non chemical laced meat that had a free life. B. As I liek to say, better on your Grill (weber) then in your Grill (Ford F150).
Dude, ch3ck 0u+ B@l3
Yeah I'm camping her get lost
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The Star wars prequels have created so much stuff to parady it's unbelievable. I think they shoudl scrap the idea of a sequel and do a prequel. Adding young barf, lonestars father. (Could be darth helmet) So much story possibilty here. I have been telling co-workers for a while that we have needed a sequel/prequel to spaceballs. I'm wearing plaid to the theater!!!
I am seeing lots of "die slashdotters" I wonder if it's a kid being stupid or the service trying to send a message... "Die Slashdotters" = "Help me I can't handle all these hits" in web lingo ...
I don't think I said I would be upset by the capture of Bin Laden. I was making the point that it wouldn't surprise me that Bush would use it for political gain. Yes the Capture of Bin Laden is important, but (my opinion here folks) if it helps Bush get re-elected I would be suspicious of it. The timing would be to "right" for it to be a random event. It would serve Bush too well, and perhaps NOT serve the country (once again my opinion here) by letting Bush be re-elected and running this country for 4 more years (or perhaps letting Chaney run the country for 4 more years) I would not in any way be upsetted by the actual capture of Bin Laden. Its the political side of things that worry me.
I see massive spin by the Bush camp. Just like there is the conspiracy theorist in me who thinks the Bush camp is hoping for a terrorist event (or the capture of Bin Landen the week before the election)(Which makes you think.. does the Bush camp already have Bin Laden, and they are just holding him quietly until it's closer to the election?) Anywho.. .The terrorist event would (in their eyes) unite the nation behind the leader again. This makes me worried. Put that into prespective with this website DDOSing and then you have think that they will use this as an example of people they are fighting and how they are trying to hinder free speech, and the great nations form of polictal will. They will turn it as a favaorable thing for themselves... and any thing that helps Bush makes me sick :(
Wow 0 to Slashdotted in .35 milliseconds!
I find the perfect ying to the technological world of IT is roots music. Bluegrass, Acoustic Folk, Acoustic Jazz etc. Bill Monroe! Del McCourey Band! Nickel Creek! David Grisman! Flatt & Scruggs! Bela Fleck! These guys "rock" :)
Har Har... Yeah, and unfortuanly, your VERY clever comment will go over the heads of so many here... a shame. Mod Parent up, Insightful!!!!