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Tiny Aircraft Feeds Itself With Dead Flies

An anonymous reader writes "The research team from southwest England have built a robot which can move and transmit sensor data over a radio link powered solely by unrefined food including dead flies and apples. The robot, known as Ecobot II, uses a Microbial Fuel Cell as its only power source. By "digesting" its own fuel, the aircraft could become autonomous and operate without the need for refueling, changing batteries or recharging from the mains. In the Microbial Fuel Cell microbes are used to extract electricity directly from food - in this case flies or apple." Several people noted this previous article on the same project.

270 comments

  1. Great Scott! by andyrut · · Score: 4, Funny

    This sounds just like Mr. Fusion! Definitely more effective if you pour the beer out of the can and then toss in the container.

    1. Re:Great Scott! by PoopJuggler · · Score: 5, Funny

      What a waste of beer. Is free unlimited clean energy really worth the price??

    2. Re:Great Scott! by jellomizer · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well the beer had more lighter elements in it then the tin can. So by poring the the beer in it first got the fusion chain reaction warm enough to handle the can.

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    3. Re:Great Scott! by Bastian · · Score: 2, Insightful

      On the other hand, if I could run my car off of the sludge of used grains left over after making the wort, I'd probably be making a lot more beer.

    4. Re:Great Scott! by lovebyte · · Score: 5, Funny

      What a waste of beer.
      No, it's ok. They use American beer.

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    5. Re:Great Scott! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it has a price, how can you say it's free?

    6. Re:Great Scott! by sczimme · · Score: 5, Funny


      No, it's ok. They use American beer.

      So it runs on water, then? Cool!

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    7. Re:Great Scott! by saider · · Score: 2, Funny

      I can see it now, the AI in the craft decides against the Miller back at the base and heads to the local bars for a black and tan. A recovery squad is promptly formed to drag the now uncoordinated bots back to work, where they are confined to the base perimeter and reprogrammed to work off of high calorie MREs. Accountants insist on purchasing expired MREs that are unfit for human consumption, but will work fine in the bots. Engineers find that higher than normal failure rates are attributed to the bots being unable to excrete waste products on an appropriate schedule. Unanticipated effects of large unscheduled waste movements while in operation complicate the traffic situation below, devalueing the traffic monitoring bots.

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    8. Re:Great Scott! by spitefulcrow · · Score: 5, Funny

      American beer is similar to having sex in a canoe. It's fucking close to water.

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    9. Re:Great Scott! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh so that means it gets terrible fuel efficiency.

    10. Re:Great Scott! by lack1uster · · Score: 0

      American microbrews are good. It's just our over-commercialized redneck beer that sucks (miller, bud, etc.). Have a Samuel Jackson. Mmm-mmm, bitch!

    11. Re:Great Scott! by jdaytona · · Score: 1

      There are actually great American Beers out there just more localized to America. Like http://www.sierranevada.com/ Sierra Nevada, http://www.saranac.com/ Saranac, as well as many local city breweries.

    12. Re:Great Scott! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Leftenant" is not a word. It's the British pronunciation of "lieutenant."

    13. Re:Great Scott! by Deinhard · · Score: 2, Funny

      What is it, Leftenant Sebastian? I'm arranging matches.

      "It's the Ecobot II, sir. It's here."
      "My God, man! Does it want tea?"
      "No, I think it's after something more than that, sir. But I have noticed that all of the flies and apples are gone."

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    14. Re:Great Scott! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come to Colorado. We have some of the finest beers in the world:

      http://www.newbelgium.com/

      http://www.odells.com/

      http://www.fortcollinsbrewery.com/

      http://www.lefthandbrewing.com/

      http://www.bristolbrewing.com/about/index.html

      http://www.flyingdogales.com/

      --And that's just a few of the great microbrews we have here. There are quite a few more, as well as brewpubs selling beers made on-site.

      So when you think American beer, please don't think Budweiser and Coors. Only homeless people drink that crap.

    15. Re:Great Scott! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which would make it new to most of us then, right? Go away :)

    16. Re:Great Scott! by cmeans · · Score: 1
      No, it's ok. They use American beer.

      So it runs on water, then? Cool!

      Actually, that's "piss-water" if you want to be accurate.

    17. Re:Great Scott! by aelbric · · Score: 1

      I think you mean Samuel Adams not Samuel Jackson.

      Although I like Sam Jackson as an actor, I don't think I would classify him as "Mmm-mmm".

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    18. Re:Great Scott! by Yavi · · Score: 1

      No, Samuel Jackson beer was a parody by Chapelle's Show. It was a very funny skit mmmm-bitch.

    19. Re:Great Scott! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, Mr. Fusion didn't show up until Back To The Future II.

      In any case, I'd love to see this kind of technology to do some exploration in parts of the planet no human has reached. But, what could it eat in such harsh conditions?

    20. Re:Great Scott! by c0p0n · · Score: 1

      Nope. not water. Realize that it's yellow, so it must be *other* thing. It already tastes like *that*.

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    21. Re:Great Scott! by maciejkt · · Score: 1

      So, you've drank that other thing?

    22. Re:Great Scott! by c0p0n · · Score: 1

      Sure. You can do really crazy things when you're on M.

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  2. How long until by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they gain sentience and start looking at us as food?

    Hasn't anyone learned from Hollywood Sci-Fi movies?

    1. Re:How long until by bje2 · · Score: 3, Funny

      it's okay...i'm sure the governor of California has a plan...

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    2. Re:How long until by NoseBag · · Score: 1



      I think this development could only be considered a fly in the ointment.

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    3. Re:How long until by bje2 · · Score: 1

      did you come up with that on the fly?

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    4. Re:How long until by schtum · · Score: 1

      Oh, to be a fly on the wall when you came up with that joke!

    5. Re:How long until by Dasch · · Score: 3, Funny

      He's on vacation, but he said he'll be back.

    6. Re:How long until by robertjw · · Score: 2, Funny

      I, for one, welcome our new skynet overlords.

    7. Re:How long until by NoseBag · · Score: 1

      (Image of John Cleese hanging upside down outside a 10th story window):

      "I am sorry. I am very sorry. I am really, really sorry."

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    8. Re:How long until by iamhassi · · Score: 1
      " He's on vacation, but he said he'll be back."

      man did you mess that up, should have read like this:

      When Governor Schwarzenegger was asked for comment he said with a grin "I'm on vacation, but... I'll be back".

      see, it's all about the delivery! Delivery!! ... and timing, that's important too.

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    9. Re:How long until by metlin · · Score: 1

      Your sense of humor called.

      It said it would be back, too. But not anytime soon.

    10. Re:How long until by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i found his version funnier.

    11. Re:How long until by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      Actually, I believe he said he'd be Bach. (And you can be Beethoven!)

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  3. I think I speak for us all when I say.. by modifried · · Score: 5, Funny

    1.21 Gigawatts!?

    1. Re:I think I speak for us all when I say.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it is pronounced:

      1.21 Jiga-Watts

  4. Excellent use for... by SunPin · · Score: 4, Funny

    Soylent Green!

    Soylent Green is people! PEOPLE!

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    1. Re:Excellent use for... by PoopJuggler · · Score: 2, Funny

      Soylent Brown-With-A-Slight-Hint-Of-Opalescent is flies! FLIES!

  5. This is friggin excellent by Perianwyr+Stormcrow · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now I can field an army of autonomous spybots to stalk celebrities without having to refuel them.

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    1. Re:This is friggin excellent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Why does celebrities need refueling?

    2. Re:This is friggin excellent by wwest4 · · Score: 1

      Be careful... R. Kelly has become accustomed to the buzzing of the flies circling his nether-regions, and may grow suspicious when they fall silent at the hand of your camera. Though the footage he tends to provide is probably worth the risk.

    3. Re:This is friggin excellent by gwayne · · Score: 1

      Better yet, just wait until they get big enough to eat celebrities...

  6. I for one welcome... by cnelzie · · Score: 0, Redundant

    ...our new Flying Bio-Mechanical Masters!

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    1. Re:I for one welcome... by MaynardJanKeymeulen · · Score: 2, Informative

      if you really, really must say it, do it right!

      "I for one ... OVERLORDS"

      like Kent Brockman in Deep Space Homer :
      And I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords.
      I'd like to remind them that as a trusted TV personality,
      I can be helpful in rounding up others to toil in their underground sugar caves.

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      "The day Microsoft makes a product that doesn't suck is the day they make a vacuum cleaner."
  7. Excellent news by jayhawk88 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now if we can only program it to find Sarah Conner.

    1. Re:Excellent news by digitalgiblet · · Score: 3, Funny

      The only thing more frightening than a "terminator" robot that hunts you down and kills you is a termineater robot that hunts you down, kills you and then EATS you.

    2. Re:Excellent news by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 5, Funny

      yeah, because if it eats you, you can't cast Raise Dead on the body

    3. Re:Excellent news by jasonplancaster · · Score: 1

      Being eaten alive might be a bit worse. ;)

    4. Re:Excellent news by BenjiTheGreat98 · · Score: 1

      Who in the hell modified this to Insightful???

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    5. Re:Excellent news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HOW DO YOU KNOW MY LANGUAGE??

    6. Re:Excellent news by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 1

      I don't know, but hell, I'll take the extra karma. It was just a stupid joke..

    7. Re:Excellent news by lionheart1327 · · Score: 1

      How about a terminator robot that hutnt you down, kills you, and then wears your skin as clothing?

    8. Re:Excellent news by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 1

      yikes! I hope they design it while Anthony Hopkins is still alive, otherwise we'll never be able to defeat it!

  8. Bow down... by MandoSKippy · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I for one, welcome our new fly digesting robot overlords.

    1. Re:Bow down... by Bloem · · Score: 2, Funny

      Imagine a beowolf cluster of one of these .. oh wait ... all your flies belong to us .. no uhm, but does it run Linux?

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  9. At what point.. by Renraku · · Score: 5, Funny

    At what point do they decide that they want human flesh instead of flies/rotten apples?

    Or better yet, at what point do they decide that they want to eat our crops instead of flies/rotten apples?

    I, for one, welcome our new mechanical locust overlords.

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    1. Re:At what point.. by kaleco · · Score: 1, Redundant

      If that thing came after your flesh, I doubt you'd have much difficulty resisting it. It's a very strange brand of paranoia you've got there.

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    2. Re:At what point.. by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      "I doubt you'd have much difficulty resisting it."

      Yeah...just outfit your hovercraft with an EMP cannon like everyone else!

    3. Re:At what point.. by AviLazar · · Score: 1

      Man I go old school with my ancient magical katana blade in one hand - and my .50 cal desert eagle long barral in the next. (laser sight included)

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    4. Re:At what point.. by RangerRick98 · · Score: 1

      just outfit your hovercraft with an EMP cannon like everyone else

      Just make sure you're not too high above the ground when you fire it!

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      "You're older than you've ever been, and now you're even older."
    5. Re:At what point.. by winse · · Score: 1

      actually a flesh eating flying robot could be very effective in a meat laden war zone, and definitely in .

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    6. Re:At what point.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Man I go old school with my ancient magical katana blade in one hand - and my .50 cal desert eagle long barral in the next. (laser sight included)

      Just the thing for killing flies.

    7. Re:At what point.. by Anonym0us+Cow+Herd · · Score: 1

      At what point do these things get out of control and destroy all flies and apples?

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    8. Re:At what point.. by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      They'd just do it while you're sleeping. Like vampire bats.

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    9. Re:At what point.. by AndresFerraro · · Score: 1
      >At what point do they decide that they want human flesh instead of flies/rotten apples?

      We need a renewable source of energy that is abundant, easy to find and refine that pollutes the least amount possible during use. This process doesn't look suited to carry us further. Sure it can recycle the apple cores I dump while acting as pesticide, however there must be more efficient ways to provide power than breaking down such hugely complex things as insects and apples... Which, mind you, takes an incredible amount of energy to 'grow' in the first place; so the net effect is an inordinate growth to the overall entropy.

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    10. Re:At what point.. by Dabido · · Score: 1

      I would still be safe. I heard they don't touch junk food! :-)

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  10. ....so now we have.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Robot feces?

    1. Re:....so now we have.... by Mr.+Bad+Example · · Score: 3, Funny

      > Robot feces?

      You obviously don't work in marketing. It's called iPoop®.

    2. Re:....so now we have.... by jdray · · Score: 1

      Nah, I think it's ePoop. The name iPoop would be reserved for robots connected to the Internet.

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    3. Re:....so now we have.... by mink · · Score: 1

      Wouldnt they be iRobots?

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  11. A new toy for A-lifers by Aim+Here · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Now when some AI hacker can gives it enough brains to catch it's own flies, it'll be time to welcome our new robot-sparrow overlords...

  12. I for one welcome our new sentient robot masters. by GodBlessTexas · · Score: 0, Redundant

    This is both fascinating and frightening. Imagine the possibilities! Though the prospect of nanoparasites is somewhat frightening.

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  13. Step 2 by Karpe · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Make this little robot build copies of itself, from raw materials it collets.

    1. Re:Step 2 by Mantorp · · Score: 1
    2. Re:Step 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Make this little robot build copies of itself, from raw materials it collets.
      Let's see... a tiny, flying thing that fuels itself on dead flies and apples... with the ability to make copies of itself. These already exist: they're called birds.
    3. Re:Step 2 by Kazuma-san · · Score: 1

      It reminds me more to Asimov's shortstory "That thou art mindful of him"

  14. huh? by bje2 · · Score: 1, Insightful
    i don't get it...i read the article, and it says:
    By "digesting" its own fuel, the aircraft could become autonomous and operate without the need for refuelling, changing batteries or recharging from the mains.
    and
    Like insects and birds, it is just possible that such micro aircraft might one day even be able to feed themselves. Researchers at the University of the West of England are creating a new breed of autonomous robot that will carry out specific tasks and even "feed" themselves while working.
    how is not refuling possible...unless they're inventing some sort of perpetual motion machine (which would seem to violate some laws of thermodynamics), how could it not need refueling?...even if your fuel is only dead insects and apples, you would still need a constant supply of them...am i missing something here?


    reminds me of a great simpsons quote though... "In this house we obey the laws of Thermodynamics." -- Homer (Simpson)
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    1. Re:huh? by Enigma_Man · · Score: 1

      It's just bad grammar. They mean you won't have to put gasoline or other common fuels in it. It uses plants and animal digestion as a fuel. Shouldn't that be obvious?

      -Jesse

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    2. Re:huh? by bje2 · · Score: 1

      no...because if your "fuel" is apples, then the you still need to sop occasionally an "re-feul" by loading up on some more apples...how is that autonomous?

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    3. Re:huh? by Morlark · · Score: 1
      how is not refuling possible...unless they're inventing some sort of perpetual motion machine (which would seem to violate some laws of thermodynamics), how could it not need refueling?...even if your fuel is only dead insects and apples, you would still need a constant supply of them...am i missing something here?

      Nope, as far as I can see, you're not missing a thing. The robot uses dead insects and apples as fuel to propel itself. A constant supply is required. Thus there is no perpetual motion. I beleive the "not refuelling" part just means that there will be no human intervention required in the supply of the fuel, not that the robot will not require any fuel at all.

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    4. Re:huh? by bje2 · · Score: 1

      i guess i can buy that...so, we're saying that the autonomous vehicle will be able to suck an ample supply of flies from the air, or it will go raid some farmer's apple orchard...got it...

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    5. Re:huh? by JDevers · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A better wording would be "become autonomous, in other words not need external assistance in refuelling"

    6. Re:huh? by Enigma_Man · · Score: 1

      You posted it yourself in the quoted article text. Eventually it will gather its own apples and dead flies to refuel itself; hence autonomous.

      -Jesse

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    7. Re:huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The idea is that the robot might eventually be able to find such fuel on it's own.

    8. Re:huh? by shaitand · · Score: 1

      If the unit which needs the fuel does the stopping and loading up, that unit is autonomous.

    9. Re:huh? by bje2 · · Score: 1

      ah, ok, i was a little confused...i was picturing humar interaction to "feed" the robot with the apples/flies...i get it (a little better) now...

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    10. Re:huh? by fatmonkeyboy · · Score: 1

      Given the context of the article, when they say "without the need for refuelling" they are referring to manual fueling by a cooperative human.

      Your comment about perpetual motion machines misses the point entirely. New energy is added to the system from apples and dead insects.

      The plan is for the robot to be autonomous so, among other things, it will be able to find fuel sources on its own and extract energy from them without human intervention.

    11. Re:huh? by SammysIsland · · Score: 2, Funny
      I have a better idea... Just create a robot that finds a gas station (much more convenient than flies) and refuels itself there.

      The robot could even go out and get a job so it can pay for the gas.

      Damn lazy robots!!

    12. Re:huh? by cmacb · · Score: 1

      Nah. The article exaggerates what the scientists have actually done, unless you read it very carefully. The Slashdot blurb hypes it up even more, and the Slashdot title is pure science fiction.

      Translation: They have some small machines that can move around. They have some other experiments that can "digest" organic matter and produce energy. They have some ideas about making small flying machines that don't need much power. Put all these things together 20 years from now and you MIGHT get a "Tiny Aircraft Feeds Itself With Dead Flies". Or not.

    13. Re:huh? by Moofie · · Score: 1

      But then you have to give it a credit card.

      And thumbs.

      And no good will come of that.

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  15. but does this mean by ministerofsickeningr · · Score: 5, Funny
    that i can swat it if it comes after:

    A. the apples i am attempting to eat at my picnic.
    B. the flies at my picnic.
    C. violation of airspace?

    1. Re:but does this mean by Nemesis099 · · Score: 1

      B. the flies at my picnic.

      Why would you swat at it when it is catching flies. I would see this as a great invention to rid a house of the inescts that infest a house.

    2. Re:but does this mean by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... and when they themselves become pests, we bring in the mechanical flies that eat other mechanical flies to take care of the problem.

    3. Re:but does this mean by tomjen · · Score: 1

      That would require them to be able to procreate on their own.

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    4. Re:but does this mean by dcsmith · · Score: 1
      ... and when they themselves become pests, we bring in the mechanical flies that eat other mechanical flies to take care of the problem.

      Which of course leads us to the problem outlined in "Old Lady who Swallowed a Fly"

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    5. Re:but does this mean by PalmMP3 · · Score: 1
      B. the flies at my picnic.

      Uhhh... you eat flies at a picnic? Eeeeeeeeek!!!! *Runs and hides*

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  16. Is that really easier? by PhysicsGenius · · Score: 1

    Couldn't a spybot just land on a powerline and get power from induction? Or how about eating something that doesn't move around as much as a fly, like grass or tree sap? Better yet, why stop to power up at all--just use direct solar energy either photovoltaicly or by embedding chloroplasts directly in the vehicle.

    1. Re: Is that really easier? by Black+Parrot · · Score: 5, Funny


      > Couldn't a spybot just land on a powerline and get power from induction?

      Alas, Hume demonstrated induction isn't reliable.

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    2. Re:Is that really easier? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Last I looked all the dead flies don't move. Where do you find dead flies that are animated?

    3. Re: Is that really easier? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention illegal. The power company will come kick your ass if they find you doing that (and they monitor the lines pretty closely).

    4. Re: Is that really easier? by iLEZ · · Score: 1

      Can you prove that?

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    5. Re: Is that really easier? by Anonymous+Cow+herd · · Score: 1

      It's a pun... inductance (physics) versus inductive reasoning (philosophy) :-)

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  17. Waitor! by Average_Joe_Sixpack · · Score: 5, Funny

    There's a dead tiny-fly-eating-aircraft in my soup!

    1. Re:Waitor! by saider · · Score: 1


      Customer: What is a tiny-fly-eating-aircraft doing in my soup?

      Waiter: I believe he is doing the backstroke.

      yuk, yuk.

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    2. Re:Waitor! by dfiguero · · Score: 1

      It's not dead! It's refueling!

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    3. Re:Waitor! by WhodoVoodoo · · Score: 1

      Nah, he's just pinin' for the fjords.

    4. Re:Waitor! by flynniec6 · · Score: 1

      Keep it down sir, or everyone will want one.

  18. article text in case of slashdotting by Naikrovek · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Aircraft the size of bees that get the energy they need by feeding themselves a diet of dead flies could be buzzing around the battlefields and motorways of the future, thanks to research in southwest England.

    The aircraft, up to 15cm long and equipped with sensors and cameras, could have a number of uses in civilian life and modern warfare, including reconnaissance missions, traffic monitoring or fire and rescue operations.

    By "digesting" its own fuel, the aircraft could become autonomous and operate without the need for refuelling, changing batteries or recharging from the mains.

    The research is being carried out by scientists from the University of Bath and the University of the West of England who are working on different aspects of the technologies involved.

    The University of Bath researchers are studying the complex aerodynamics needed to fly very small unmanned aircraft. The smaller an aircraft is made, the slower is its speed and the more it is vulnerable to high winds. This means that existing micro air vehicles can only fly for short periods at low speed and are too large to carry out fine manoeuvres.

    But the Department of Mechanical Engineering at the University of Bath is now carrying out five research projects over the next two years to find ways of overcoming these problems.

    One approach they are working on is to get the micro air vehicles to flap their wings in a similar way to insects such as bees, flies or birds. By studying animals' motion, the researchers hope to match the efficiency of nature and keep smaller aeroplanes in the sky for long enough to carry out their tasks.

    Professor Ismet Gursul from the University of Bath's Department of Mechanical Engineering says, "In general this kind of low speed aerodynamics is not as efficient as high-speed aerodynamics so you could never achieve the same efficiency as you would get for high speed civil transport aircraft.

    "Insects and birds are as efficient as they could be, so we look at how they are doing this and try to imitate their flapping mechanisms"

    Like insects and birds, it is just possible that such micro aircraft might one day even be able to feed themselves. Researchers at the University of the West of England are creating a new breed of autonomous robot that will carry out specific tasks and even "feed" themselves while working.

    The research team have built a robot which can move and transmit sensor data over a radio link (over 30m inside the lab) powered solely by unrefined food including dead flies and apples.

    The robot, known as Ecobot II, uses a Microbial Fuel Cell as its only power source. In the Microbial Fuel Cell microbes are used to extract electricity directly from food - in this case flies or apple.

    Professor Chris Melhuish, Director of the Intelligent Autonomous Systems Laboratory at the University of the West of England, says, "We are interested in developing robots that are intelligent and autonomous which means they do the right thing at the right time and without human intervention. One of the big problems with autonomy is that of energy; they have to get their energy from somewhere.

    "To do this they need to get energy from their environment which could include sunlight or water, but in our case it is organic matter".

    The 1kg Ecobot doesn't move at any significant rate, about 30 metres per hour, but its ability to power itself by digesting its fuel is a major advance in the way such units have been designed so far.

    Insect-sized aircraft could be possible in the future, says Professor Melhuish, "The biological fuel cell would have to be made into a soft system which might, in the future, be able to do some sort of movement at a small level, a small insect level."

    Source: University of the West of England

  19. Re:Step 3 by JDevers · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Give robot the ability to manipulate it's offspring's hardware.

  20. My Windows box... by kaleco · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Drains my soul. That's in addition to the power supply though, so I guess it doesn't count.

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  21. I took the wrong one! by Mr.+BS · · Score: 0



    DAMN!! I knew I should have taken the blue pill!!

  22. the 15th Commandment. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    This is the 15th Commandment that Mosas dropped.

    Thou shall not make Flesh Eating Robots!

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    1. Re:the 15th Commandment. by tftp · · Score: 1

      No surprise - those stone tablets probably were too heavy for him to start with...

  23. Step 4 by WolfgangVonEstevez · · Score: 0

    Initiate spell check.

    1. Re:Step 4 by jusdisgi · · Score: 1

      PROFIT!!!!

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    2. Re:Step 4 by DavidLeblond · · Score: 1

      Get sued by Michael Crichton for stealing his idea. ;)

    3. Re:Step 4 by GTRacer · · Score: 1
      It wasn't much of an idea...that ending blew.

      GTRacer
      - zzz

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    4. Re:Step 4 by ruxxell · · Score: 1

      michael crichton? try philip k dick.

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    5. Re:Step 4 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try John von Neumann- what's being described are von Neumann machines, after all. But I agree otherwise- certainly go consult the works of Philip K. Dick before those of Michael Crichton.

    6. Re:Step 4 by JDevers · · Score: 1

      That's the truth, huge build up and then an even larger let down :/

    7. Re:Step 4 by DavidLeblond · · Score: 1

      True... the rest of the novel was great. It was like he wrote it and couldn't figure out how to end it so he just tacked on an ending.

    8. Re:Step 4 by mink · · Score: 1

      I believe another author also wrote about these, a book called "Mechasm" by John T. Sladek (now published under the title "The Reporductive System"

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  24. Is it just me whose nervous? by PickyH3D · · Score: 2, Funny
    That is nervous about this?

    Could you imagine flying on it and getting close to no fuel? Suddenly the pilot tells everyone, "we are looking for large patches of flies in the air to maintain the flight course, but we have no fuel left." Then boom, you crash land in an apple farm only to have the plain eat them before you do, even though it is unable to fly?

    Damn tricky plains.

    1. Re:Is it just me whose nervous? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dear PickyH3D,

      Plains.

      Planes.

      Love,

      The Grammar Police

    2. Re:Is it just me whose nervous? by BorgHunter · · Score: 1

      The rain in Spain falls mainly on the plane?

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    3. Re:Is it just me whose nervous? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Dear Grammar Police,

      You forgot:

      Whose.

      Who's.

      Keep up the good work,

      The Grammar Nazis

    4. Re:Is it just me whose nervous? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd hate to be riding on a 15cm plane at any time, not just when it was crashing.

    5. Re:Is it just me whose nervous? by sk8dork · · Score: 1

      except there is not a very good chance that anyone would be flying on tiny aircraft up to 15cm long...

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    6. Re:Is it just me whose nervous? by PickyH3D · · Score: 1

      Woops. :)

    7. Re:Is it just me whose nervous? by superatrain · · Score: 1

      rats, mice, and other small rodents could use those to get into ur house... u never know....

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  25. A Logical Extension... by imag0 · · Score: 1

    "...microbes are used to extract electricity directly from food - in this case flies or apple."

    If that's the case, when will these cool little bots gain the capability to cut out the middleman and huff shit directly into their little hoppers?

    Someone let me know. I got a gift idea for Bosses Day. :D

  26. Not again by Njoyda+Sauce · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I for one welcome our insect (eating) overlords.

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  27. Self powering robots by saidhthe · · Score: 1

    Don't self powered robots that can EAT humans for power give I, Robot an extra creepy feel?

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    1. Re:Self powering robots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They'd be a dandy way to solve the Muslim problem in remote areas.

  28. neat, but... by LodCrappo · · Score: 2, Funny

    Does it run Linux?

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    1. Re:neat, but... by sharkey · · Score: 1

      More important: Is it digitally signed?

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  29. addendum by fizban · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... The scientists also mentioned that they had named two of the robots that showed especially good survival characteristics "Architect" and "Oracle."

    Said one of the scientiests, "We believe these two will really push the limits of what is possible with carnivorous robotic machines today and will do great things in the future."

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  30. robot hunts flies all day, too tired to take pics by johnjay · · Score: 1

    I can see it now, the robot spends all it's energy every day hunting flies to sustain itself and can't ever find time to surveil the battlefield.

  31. why bother with messy biomatter at all? by Martel · · Score: 1

    surely a tiny aircraft could land on a high tension wire and 'fuel' itself off the magnetic field.
    it's been a while since physics201 but the inductance from the magnetic fields already occuring everywhere would be a potential power source.

    1. Re:why bother with messy biomatter at all? by not-my-real-name · · Score: 1

      Yes, but what if you're somewhere without handy powerlines? There are some places in the world that aren't served by the power grid. However, most places have plenty of flies.

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    2. Re:why bother with messy biomatter at all? by lxt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because there's far more biomatter available than high tensile power wires. I'm looking out the window now, and can see no power lines at all (it's all underground), but I can see a ton of biomass. Also, taking power from power lines would render the whole point of the project redundant - renewable, clean energy? Power from power lines has to be generated, and it's highly likely that power is coming from a highly polluting source.

    3. Re:why bother with messy biomatter at all? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >but I can see a ton of biomass

      That's a mirror, you idiot!

  32. Step 5 by JDevers · · Score: 2, Funny

    Watch as money gets worthless as tiny robots take over all niches on planet and eventually build a slave race of flies and fruit trees.

    Brings a whole new meaning to "Lord of the Flies"...

    1. Re:Step 5 by AviLazar · · Score: 1

      And all humans are encased in little containers filled with pink embryonic goo so they can harvest the energy from their bodies. Then Neo can come and save us.

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  33. Mosquitoes? by TigrOoOo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What's it going to take for this thing to feed on mosquitoes? Live, preferably. And if its possible, where can I get about fifty thousand of these things?

    Bloody mosquitoes...

    1. Re:Mosquitoes? by Wizzy+Wig · · Score: 1
      What's it going to take for this thing to feed on mosquitoes?

      That's how it will all start. First, the robot insects will switch from dead flys to live flys. Then, they will discover that "extra jolt" from the human blood in the stomachs of mosquitos. Finally, after the mosquitos are eradicated from the face of the earth, they will have no choice but go to the motherload for their fuel source - human veins. The rest is too gory to go into.

    2. Re:Mosquitoes? by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      I suggest you try setting up some Bat Houses

      It might not be appropriate for your area, but why bother with machines when nature already has a solution?

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    3. Re:Mosquitoes? by l810c · · Score: 1
      That's exactly what I thought of when I read this.

      Those pests are responsible for more deaths than any single other cause world wide causing numerous diseases including malaria which infects 5% of the worlds population last year

      This is larger than AIDS, imagine unleashing these bots in mosquite infested areas and have them gobble them up and fuel themselves.

  34. Robotic incest? by Serious+Simon · · Score: 1
    Give robot the ability to manipulate it's offspring's hardware.

    ...

    1. Re:Robotic incest? by JDevers · · Score: 1

      Mexican border town geek sex shows ;)

  35. Repeat? by ViolentGreen · · Score: 3, Informative
    --
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    1. Re:Repeat? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Argh, goddamnit, not again Michae-.... oh, wait, CmdrTaco?

      ... wtf?

  36. Arrrrghh by jamesjw · · Score: 1

    Regular bug spray wont work, Some sort of low level nuke is in order.. EMP in a can anyone?
    The moment they make some sorta mechanical killer spider to swallow these flies I'm getting off this rock.

    *Looks around the room with great paranoia, theyre here - with their wee robot brains and their beedie robot eyes!!!*

    -- Jim.

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    -- If at first you don't succeed, lie!
  37. apply to larger airplanes by spectrokid · · Score: 1

    just fly a little lower, swarms of birds dissapear into the engines; hey! fruittrees, go lower!!

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  38. Porn Fly... by PortHaven · · Score: 1

    Just how long until we started getting SPAM for "Tiny Fly with Camera" great for voyeurs and filming porn!

    *grin*

    1. Re:Porn Fly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just how long until we started getting SPAM for "Tiny Fly with Camera"

      ...About as long as it takes for someone to load Windows CE on these things. The 'sploits, viruses and worms will follow instantly.

    2. Re:Porn Fly... by Fig,+formerly+A.C. · · Score: 1

      That was actually my thought. How long until you need "electronic-fly repellers" in your bedroom or shower? We're already having trouble with cell phone cameras, and those are fairly obvious. Who is going to look for a spy-fly on the bedroom wall when you and your spouse are in "the mood"?

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  39. Re:Mission 1: by trybywrench · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Mission1: Find Sarah Connor.

    Mission 2: find my keys
    Mission 3: goto work.. er i mean profit!!

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  40. Ah by PhysicsGenius · · Score: 0
    I thought they meant pre-deceased dead flies. As in, the bot would kill them.

    If the mission depends on the target being a sloppy housekeeper, then that's totally different. Maybe for version 2.0 they could program their spybot to sense when the fridge is being opened and dart in there to feed on mold growing on the bottom.

    1. Re:Ah by MajorDick · · Score: 1

      Hey there were experiments using organics as microprocessors back in the late 70's early 80's (As I am sure there still are) MOLD on creamed coffee was one they actually tried. I dont remeber the magazine as I read many but it was from 1978-1983 in Byte, Popular Mechanics, Pop-Sci- Pop-Ele- or Radio Electronics, maybe someone else remembers

  41. Aircraft?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Ok, I've read the article 2x, and read the other posts, but i'm not seeing any aircraft. Seems the current stage of the technology is a 1kg Ecobot that achieves an astounding 30m/hr - is that fast enough for takeoff?

    1. Re:Aircraft?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if it has a very large, light wing surface, yes.

  42. Total Perspective Vortex? by xanthines-R-yummy · · Score: 1

    So if the food were say... a piece of fairy cake, would it show you your place in the universe?

  43. Old Glory Insurance by bigbooger · · Score: 1


    It won't be long before we all need this.

    "And when they grab you with those metal claws, you can't break free.. because they're made of metal, and robots are strong."

  44. Wrong tense! by Glock27 · · Score: 5, Informative
    Tiny Aircraft Feeds Itself With Dead Flies

    More correctly, possibly a future robot or robotic aircraft might one day feed itself with dead flies, according to the article.

    An actual working model that's capable of flight looks to be well in the future. However, another(?) group in England is working on a someone similar design that'll eat garden slugs. That seems far more workable...

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    1. Re:Wrong tense! by Glock27 · · Score: 1

      Bad proofread...mentally delete the "someone" in the parent post. ;-)

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    2. Re:Wrong tense! by rtv · · Score: 2, Informative
      It's the same laboratory, and mostly the same people that built the SlugBot, and EcoBot 1, at the University of West England. The SlugBot never really worked: though several components were demonstrated, they couldn't generate enough juice from digesting slugs to power the arm mechanism, let alone driving the whole vehicle on soft ground.

      The EcoBot worked fine. It used a microbial fuel cell powered by suger solution to drive a very light robot base towards a light source. Simple, but a perfectly good tech demonstration.

      UWE also has experience with very low-mass autonomous blimp robots. Heavier-than-air flight is a different ballgame, so it looks like they've teamed with aero engineers at Bath to look into this.

      UWE has probably the most interesting robotics group in the UK.

      (I'm a robotics researcher, not affiliated with UWE.)

  45. And then we darken the sky... by Isao · · Score: 1
    "To do this they need to get energy from their environment which could include sunlight or water, but in our case it is organic matter".

    ... Turning a human being ... into this (holds up a battery).

    Prepare to be harvested.

  46. Make sure that you are insured... by nearlygod · · Score: 1

    Old Lady #1: When my ex-husband passed away, the insurance company said his policy didn't cover him.

    Old Lady #2: They didn't have enough money for the funeral.

    Old Lady #3: It's so hard nowadays, with all the gangs and rap music..

    Old Lady #1: What about the robots?

    Old Lady #4: Oh, they're everywhere!

    Old Lady #1: I don't even know why the scientists make them.

    Old Lady #2: Darren and I have a policy with Old Glory Insurance, in case we're attacked by robots.

    Old Lady #1: An insurance policy with a robot plan? Certainly, I'm too old.

    Old Lady #2: Old Glory covers anyone over the age of 50 against robot attack, regardless of current health.

    Sam Waterson: I'm Sam Waterston, of the popular TV series "Law & Order". As a senior citizen, you're probably aware of the threat robots pose. Robots are everywhere, and they eat old people's medicine for fuel. Well, now there's a company that offers coverage against the unfortunate event of robot attack, with Old Glory Insurance. Old Glory will cover you with no health check-up or age consideration. You need to feel safe. And that's harder and harder to do nowadays, because robots may strike at any time.

    And when they grab you with those metal claws, you can't break free.. because they're made of metal, and robots are strong. Now, for only $4 a month, you can achieve peace of mind in a world full of grime and robots, with Old Glory Insurance. So, don't cower under your afghan any longer. Make a choice. Old Glory Insurance. For when the metal ones decide to come for you - and they will.

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  47. I'm still waiting. by thegnu · · Score: 0

    What I want is a remote controlled tiny dude with a tiny samurai sword who I could command to infiltrate the evil queen ant's lair. That bitch. I think it would be fun. Although really, a remote controlled aircraft that would be able to eat the bugs after you killed them would be fun too.

    Imagine how great it would be if instead of buying kids video games you bought them a tiny war machine that they could go kill cockroaches with. That would be fscking awesome!

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  48. Engine Trouble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So let me get this straight; you want me to board an airplane fueled by organic materials? Does this mean in the advent of engine trouble I will not be asked to volunteer (along with a Frenchman, Scot, and Mexican) to bail out in order to save the plane, but I will be fed to the plane instead?

    I see interesting applications of this technology in future Itchy and Scratchy episodes.

  49. Disgusting End of Digestion by lbmouse · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "...its ability to power itself by digesting its fuel is a major advance..."

    They don't explain how the 'back-end' of the digestion process works. Guess they'll need to create even smaller robots with pooper-scoopers.

    1. Re:Disgusting End of Digestion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It needs a miniature trebuchet to fling the waste at anything that annoys it or its master.

  50. The sheer genius of it all! by Smilin · · Score: 1

    Yes we should definately spend our time researching future power sources that consume "food" and oxygen then convert it into energy, waste and CO2. Yes that's definately the best idea. We don't have enough of that on this planet. Real robots should be like real men. They should eat meat and burp.

    Making something that consumes waste, CO2, and sunlight then converts it into oxygen and energy is a stupid idea. Only idiots would take this approach. Solar cells are for tree huggers and commies.

  51. Wait a sec... by catdevnull · · Score: 4, Funny

    So, I can see how an aircraft might get FLIES stuck to it, but Apples? Man, you're flying WAY too low!

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  52. Doesn't seem to efficient by drgonzo59 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It seems that for an electrical device it might be easier use to electromagnetic energy without the need to convert chemical energy from biomass. I remember someone at the university talking about having a small robot just land near a power line and recharge its batteries using induction. Or I imagine in an urban environment there might be other powerful sources of EM energy. But obviously in a remote location, flies and apples would work better.
    Any engineers who know more about this?

    1. Re:Doesn't seem to efficient by colmore · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's been a while since E&M and I never really used it for anything but if I remember correctly, taking usable energy from the field around a powerline will reduce the energy of the line. For a small robot it wouldn't be much, but if there were millions of the things...

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  53. you people MAKE ME SICK-ASIMOV? by way2trivial · · Score: 0
    100 posts, not a single mention of Asimov or the evolution of US Robotics?

    can anyone tell me, when are the three laws of robotics NOT required?

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    1. Re:you people MAKE ME SICK-ASIMOV? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      US Robotics? Didn't they modems?

      I think I had a 28.8k modem with their name all over it.

    2. Re:you people MAKE ME SICK-ASIMOV? by hopeless+case · · Score: 1

      When the robot in question is so simple and well constrainted in its design that there is no conceivable way for it to harm humans.

      As in, say, a little robot bird that flys around an orchard, gathering all of the fruit flies it finds.

      I thought of that story also when I saw the headline to this article.

  54. Landfill power plants by Twillerror · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The fact that we can turn food and other organic material in electricty is what excites me, more then the robot itself.

    Could we use this to process our junk, or a good chunk of it in to electricty.

    A compost pile that can power power your house, if only just as a small supplement would be cool.

    1. Re:Landfill power plants by Strych9 · · Score: 1

      I guess the real question is how much electricity can we generate from the full landfill? I mean in areas like Southern-California where power can be at a premium and waste would be large it is a possibility assuming it doesn't take more energy to harvest what energy can be harvested from the area. (Which I think what part of the hydrogen problem is now)

      Just my 2 cents.

    2. Re:Landfill power plants by violajack · · Score: 1

      Better yet, I could get that hampster mod for my pc case and use their droppings to power the machine!

      Seriously though, I'm suprised that I had to read this far down the page to find someone who thought of this. I'm also upset that I didn't think of it myself. I would love to put some of my trash in a little machine and have it power some of my life. If this technology is small enough for tiny aircraft, then surely it's small enough for a pcmcia card, or a cell phone, or maybe just a small box you can carry around and plug stuff into. You could give half of your candy bar to your laptop on the plane to keep it going through another movie.

      I think you're dead on with the idea of turning our garbage into electricity for our homes.

    3. Re:Landfill power plants by fishfish · · Score: 1

      This is already being done at hundreds of landfills in the US and around the world. One example:

      http://www.lacsd.org/swaste/Facilities/LFGas/PHGTE .htm

      (Hopefully the Slashdot effect won't cause a major power outage in Southern California!)

    4. Re:Landfill power plants by adpowers · · Score: 1

      This was the first thing that came to my mind. Every home has waste food, and restaurants and grocery stores have even more. It would be nice to have a small refrigerator-sized device (the size of a half height rack) out back that you put your left over and spoiled food into. I always hate throwing away rotten food, but I have no use for it (well, you /could/ compost it, but most people don't do that). People talk about distributing power generation and selling back to the grid, but a lot of people don't have access to solar or wind energy. This would make a distributed power grid much more feasible, since power could be generated across the country (even in dark places like the Pacific Northwest) and it would provide a much more steady source of power than wind or solar. I wonder what is the cost of one of these microbial fuel cells.

  55. 3 Laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's interesting to note that Asimov's 3 Laws only cover robots not harming humans. In other words, robots eating flies, killing dogs, or harpoon whales are all fine according to Asimov. Maybe it should be changed from "humans" to "living thing"?

  56. Sorry my GTO ate your front yard by tjstork · · Score: 1

    I wonder how much food a car would have to eat to get 350hp, 390ft/lbs of torque. There are reasons gasoline is such a great energy source.

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    1. Re:Sorry my GTO ate your front yard by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      about twice as much

      Gasoline, automotive 45.8 MJ/Kg
      Carbohydrates 17.2
      Proteins 17.2
      Fats 38.9

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    2. Re:Sorry my GTO ate your front yard by tjstork · · Score: 1

      So I guess it goes to say that my GTO of the future will prefer the high fat diet!

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  57. Reminds me by beforewisdom · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This story, and the picture of the rail thin Asian man who is a tsunami victim I asw this morning in the paper reminded me of the lyrics from a RUSH song I heard back in the 80s, paraphrasing, "They feed the machines, not the people"

    1. Re:Reminds me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Certainly not to dispute your point: But I would suspect that man was already rail thin before the tsunami then from the tsunami itself (which just happened earlier this week). IANAD, but I would suspect it takes longer to get thin.

      Nontheless the lyric still applies.

  58. great article on the prospects and efficiency of.. by TheLoneCabbage · · Score: 2, Informative

    bio fule cells

    http://www.automation.hut.fi/research/bio/sfc00p os .htm

  59. "Tiny Aircraft Feeds Itself..." does not exist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    "Tiny Aircraft Feeds Itself With Dead Flies" does not exist yet. Read the article, it says they're **thinking** about it. So, it's not a "waste of beer", yet. Just talk.

    1. Re:"Tiny Aircraft Feeds Itself..." does not exist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, it's just talk, but the talking is being done while consuming large quantities of beer apparently.

  60. Finally Camel Shit has military applications by notany · · Score: 1

    When they have tiny flying robots eating camel shit ,can they can finally find Osama?

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  61. Cars??? by graveyardduckx · · Score: 0

    So how many bugs would I have to scrape off of my windshield for a full tank/fuel cell for my car?

  62. Instead of flies, try mosquitoes by Linuxathome · · Score: 1

    There was a very interesting discussion on the Diane Rehm show about West Nile virus and mosquitoes. One interesting topic of discussion was the issue of mosquitoes in the environment. One argument is that mosquitoes have no ecological benefit and that the world will be better off without them. Sure birds may eat the larvae, but most if not all birds' diets can consist of other insect larvae and other adult insects.

    I say we should concentrate on robots that feed on mosquitoes and its larvae. Not only will it be good for robots, but we'll reduce the burden of the diseases that mosquitoes carry such as malaria and West Nile.

    1. Re:Instead of flies, try mosquitoes by mrhartwig · · Score: 1

      One argument is that mosquitoes have no ecological benefit...most if not all birds' diets can consist of other insect larvae and other adult insects.

      All right. This is a religious issue, and I'm stupid to reply to it (and it's off topic, and I'm gonna kill my karma) but I'm going to do so anyway.

      How on earth does anyone (and I'm not blaming the statement on you, Linuxathome) think they know enough to make a statement like this? I don't know much of anything about mosquitos' ecological niches (please note the plural, folks) but I can easily come up with several problems with the statements above.

      Say some bird (or bat, or whatever else -- many other things eat mosquitos besides birds) stops eating mosquitos, and starts eating more of some other insect. Said insect's decline now causes some other consumer to eat something else (say, for argument's sake, bees). Now flowers aren't being pollinated, honey isn't being produced, cats and dogs start living together...you get the idea. We're talking biblical proportions here, folks.

      I'm all for reducing disease (btw, there are lots of diseases borne by things other than misquitos) but let's not get too arrogant about our ability to describe how the world "works" in little soundbite descriptions.

    2. Re:Instead of flies, try mosquitoes by stealth.c · · Score: 1

      True. Creation has a complexity we aren't even close to understanding. But mosquitos are annoying, disease-ridden parasites. I don't see any problem at all with eliminating them from the (sub)urban landscape; there's hardly any animal life left in those places anyway. The consequences would certainly be local, and arguably minimal. And we have machines, elaborate roach motels for mosquitos, that already that do this.

    3. Re:Instead of flies, try mosquitoes by mrhartwig · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ...mosquitos are annoying, disease-ridden....

      So are flies (except for the parasite part). Anyone want to suggest we get rid of all the flies and then deal with the resulting buildup of dead carcasses due to lack of maggots?

      Heck, I don't know if female mosquitos perform any useful function besides being bat food & bird food -- maybe they don't. But I *like* bats & birds. :-) Oh, wait -- female mosquitos are necessary for producing more male mosquitos, right? Guess what -- male mosquitos eat, among other things, nectar, and they don't suck blood. I don't know, but here's a guess -- maybe there's some pollination going on during feeding?

      I just learned (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosquito) that there's even a species of mosquito that feeds on *other mosquitos' larvae*, and doesn't suck blood. What happens to the harmful mosquito population when we wipe those out, 'cause our stupid little robots don't know the difference?

      My problem is with statements like "...consequenses would certainly be local....". How do we know that? What's Dr. Malcom's line in Jurassic Park? Something like "Yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should." Or maybe "The lack of humility before nature that's being displayed here, uh... staggers me."

    4. Re:Instead of flies, try mosquitoes by Insipid+Trunculance · · Score: 1

      One argument is that mosquitoes have no ecological benefit and that the world will be better off without them.

      But you are talking from a human point of view.If you look at it from Nature/Earth/Gaia 's point of view , mosquitoes are quite important.By spreading diseases they tend to keep populations of pesky species down.

      Diseases etc are nature's way of controlling populations from expanding beyond its capability to cope.The fact that , Humans have been able to control these natural controls doesnt necessarily mean its good for earth.

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    5. Re:Instead of flies, try mosquitoes by Billy+the+Mountain · · Score: 1

      Another pest would be fire ants. Fire ants would probably be ideal because they would no doubt be easy to locate using current computer vision technologies. You see, they build these big dirt mounds, sometimes three feet in diameter, that can be spotted from the air. Then, all you have to do is program the robot to land squarely on top of the nest with a bump, and voila, fuel is crawling all over your robot in a bristling brown mass. Then the robot just sits and takes on 'fuel' for a few hours and once the ants stop attacking, it takes off looking for another nest.

      If it were effective, it would be interesting to see what types of evolutionary adaptations the ants would make to try to avoid getting eaten by a robot that can't be harmed by being stung.

      BTM

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    6. Re:Instead of flies, try mosquitoes by Linuxathome · · Score: 1

      I should have been more clear. This is not my argument, it was stated by one of the guests on the Diane Rehm show. One of whom is an entomologist.

    7. Re:Instead of flies, try mosquitoes by mrhartwig · · Score: 1

      You were clear enough, or I guessed right. Either way, it'd be better if I thought you *had* expressed that as your opinion, instead of quoting someone supposedly knowledgeable. Flaming you (which was not and is not my intent) could have been more fun.

      Instead, it's just sad. Some scientist who studies insects makes blanket statements like "mosquitos are useless" (yeah, I know I'm paraphrasing). When he-or-she should know enough to know that those kind of statements are dangerous. And flat-out wrong.

  63. Bees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    From the article:

    Aircraft the size of bees that get the energy they need by feeding themselves a diet of dead flies could be buzzing around the battlefields and motorways of the future, thanks to research in southwest England. The aircraft, up to 15cm long...

    That's a pretty big bee...

  64. they never mention the smell by pugnatious · · Score: 0

    I bet it smells like shit, to attract flies more efficiently

    producing a human flesh powered model would be cool though. Imagine one of those disguised as a sultry female ... hmmm wait, we have those already

  65. Reply to Sig by jswalter9 · · Score: 1

    Work: Corporate America in your cube :)

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  66. Catching flies? by Coppit · · Score: 1

    My guess is that the best practical way to do this is to have it land on already dead organic matter and "feed". Catching a fly in midair is tough. :)

  67. Precursor to Mr. Fusion???? by jzarling · · Score: 1

    Could this be the precursor to the Mr Fusion seen in Back to the Future ?

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  68. Adjacent but unconnected by panurge · · Score: 1
    The two projects appear to be unconnected except that they are both happening in a part of the world which is not perhaps best known for its research institutes. It looks like a silly season attempt to get some mindshare. Oh well, let's try some more:

    Toshiba makes notebook computers
    Toshiba researches small fusion reactors
    Conclusion: nuclear notebooks could {fill in your own fantasy here.}

    Thrust II went supersonic on land
    Thrust II was built in England
    Soon the British will be driving around in supersonic cars.

    Linux was first developed in Finland
    The Finns are famous for saunas
    The next generation of Linux will require a periodic sauna in order to function with peak efficiency

    I've lost interest in this now.

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  69. Jigga-Watts by kentyman · · Score: 2, Funny

    I always found it strange that Doc Brown pronounced it the same way that Jay-Z would.

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    1. Re:Jigga-Watts by WilliamGeorge · · Score: 3, Informative

      Uh, look it up in a dictionary: he pronounced it right! Most people do not realize that the prefix "giga" in the English language should be pronounced "ji'ga" not "gi'ga" - at least, that is how it was until the prefix became popular with computer terms such as gigabyte and gigahertz. Now, both pronunciations are generally accepted. Wait... could that be Linguistic Darwinism???? ;)

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    2. Re:Jigga-Watts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um... you understand that a language evolves based on usage right? If the majority of the population decided to pronounce the latin prefix "Giga" with an "incorrect" sound, it'll still stick, thus making it the "correct" way to say it. Over the years many changes occur through use and lazy people. Take, for example. The word Volcano. What's the correct plural for it? -es or -s?

    3. Re:Jigga-Watts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the majority of the population decided to pronounce the latin prefix "Giga" with an "incorrect" sound, it'll still stick, thus making it the "correct" way to say it.

      (a) "giga-" is taken from Greek, not Latin.
      (b) The hard [g] pronunciation is etymologically correct; the soft [dzh] used in BTTF has never been in common usage.

    4. Re:Jigga-Watts by adpowers · · Score: 1

      I remember a thread about this a while back on /. (probably a few years ago) and someone said that the soft g pronunciation was common during the 1950's, when that part of the movie took place.

  70. Re:robot hunts flies all day, too tired to take pi by saider · · Score: 1


    This just means that they will find the enemy's latrines instead of the enemy. After that, it is just a waiting game.

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  71. eMachineShop by stuffduff · · Score: 1

    Just happened to see this in the sidebar: eMachineShop

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  72. What the hell !!! by silverz · · Score: 1

    After they equipped robots with machine guns and rocket launchers, now they teach the robots to feed themselves. What is next? Teach the robots to reproduce?

  73. I think I saw that movie. by N8F8 · · Score: 1

    Don't the bugs evolve and start eating humans for fuel?

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  74. Pretty interesting.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its amazing how some of the folks on here seem to be mental midgets.

    First off "aircraft" is defined as "A machine or device, such as an airplane, helicopter, glider, or dirigible, that is capable of atmospheric flight.". In other words, a machine that can fly is an aircraft -- its not defined by size, but by flight ability.

    If you made a model RC plane and it actually flew -- you made an aircraft.

    Secondly,

    Its very smart for researching to look into alternative fuels, especially clean burning and renewable ones like vegetation and animal life.

    Open your mind - research of this little tiny thing, can spring board (over years of more research) to much much bigger things. You have to walk before you run.

    As suggested about why not using power lines to refuel by induction....yeah that's fine for smaller towns with plenty of power to spare...but the larger metropolitian areas (like near me) have power sags and brownouts enough as it is with too much demand on the grid, sure lets have hundreds of thousands of little robotic insects suck out more power from the grid.

  75. Poo Cleaner... by Beefslaya · · Score: 0

    I'm gonna train mine to fly around my yard and pick up dog doo...

  76. Spread it on some toast by denjin · · Score: 1

    Just spread it on toast. Much better than unlimited energy.

  77. practicality by ripcrd · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ok, so they are working on this in a micro scale, but when the hell are they going to make one the size of a gas tank that can power my car???

    I've been reading autobiographies of astronauts and others involved in the US Space program recently. They all talk about the fuel cell developed and used during Gemini and later Apollo. I want to know why, 40 yrs. later, these things are not yet practical? Was there just not enough motivation to make one work in that 40 yrs or was it because until now, gas was relatively cheap and no one cared about the smelly smoke coming from cars?

    I say force a greater percentage of cars to be hybrids as a start and get ready to roll out the fuel cells.

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  78. bugs by Yo+Grark · · Score: 1

    Well, here's one time I guess they hope they DON'T work the bugs out!

    or

    IN SOVIET RUSSIA, THE BUGS MAKE YOU WORK OUT.

    or

    ALL YOUR BUGS BELONG TO US.

    or...

    Boo Hiss... I know I know.

    Yo Grark

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  79. Flying Crapper by sga.busboy · · Score: 1

    Since they eat and fly, does this now mean I'll have to worry about tiny aircraft crap on my car instead of pigeons?

  80. As long... by Jozer99 · · Score: 1

    As long as there are dead flies hovering in the air at conviently spaced intervals.

  81. Re:robot hunts flies all day, too tired to take pi by Tenebrious1 · · Score: 1

    I can see it now, the robot spends all it's energy every day hunting flies to sustain itself and can't ever find time to surveil the battlefield.

    On the other hand, as a backpacker, I'd love to have a couple of these flying around me during black fly season. They don't have to fight, just fly around my head and catch flies. They can sit fat dumb and happy all night if they want, as long as they keep the flies off me during the day.

    Think how this would help researchers in the field as well. They'd allow an archeologist to actually concentrate on his work instead of swat flies. Allow field work in the yukon without bio suits.

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  82. Slug Hunter in Skymall by spud603 · · Score: 1

    I few years ago I was reading the skymall catalogue on a cross-country flight when I came accross a similar product. Somebody had invented a little wheeled robot to get rid of slugs in your back yard. It somehow sniffed out the slugs, picked them up with a robotic arm, and dumped them in a canister on its back. It then fermented the slugs into alcohol, which it used to generate electricity to power itself. Sure this new tech doesn't rely on an alcohol intermediary to turn bio into electricity, but that also means you don't get to drink the excess slug rum.

  83. Wonder if it can be powered with by Cnik70 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Soylent Green???

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  84. So are we giving up on fuel cells already. by deuce_WI · · Score: 1
    I guess I'll be running around trying to kill flies and bugs to power my laptop and cell phone instead.

    -Deuce

  85. Urm by GasKewled · · Score: 2, Funny

    Venus Flying Trap?

  86. Dead Flies? by Cytlid · · Score: 1

    I'm from the SPCAF, the Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Apples and Flies, are you *sure* the flies are dead first? Are you obsolutely positive that they died of *natural causes*?

    Now off to talk to that Jobs guy. I've heard he's been abusing Apples.

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  87. OK... by Moofie · · Score: 1

    It can eat flies, but can it catch them? With chopsticks?

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  88. Save the flies by Vile+Slime · · Score: 0

    I can just hear it now when the lowly fly becomes an endangered species.

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  89. Um.. no electricity in dead things. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How can you extract electrity from dead things if there isn't any?

  90. Many do by bluGill · · Score: 1

    Not only can it be done, many landfills are doing this already. Methane is a common by-product of landfills, and it is a unwanted greenhouse gas. They collect this in underground pipes, and then burn it. Commonly they burn it in a generator to generate some extra income

    There are downsides though. The amount you get make doesn't really pay for the maintenance on the generators. If it wasn't for environmental concerns over methane they wouldn't do it at all. There just isn't that much to collect.

    Much easier to use the garbage to power an incinerator, but incinerators are sensitive to the what you feed in. Landfills hold things you shouldn't toss like batteries without too many problems, while the tends to put the chemicals into the air. (modern landfills are lined so that the contamination doesn't escape - at least in theory)

  91. If it runs on dead flies by Nine+Tenths+of+The+W · · Score: 2, Funny

    It'll only be useful during the summer in England. A plane that can only fly 3 days a year isn't much of an invention

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  92. A better trick... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...would be to teach it to eat LIVE mosquitos. I'd buy one in a heartbeat if it kept my backyard mosquito free.

  93. Sure it *starts* with dead flies... by Jahz · · Score: 2, Funny

    So we can power robots with dead flies and apples?

    This reminds me of "The Matrix." Eventually the robots will realize that digesting a human can provide far more power than hundreds of flies!!!

    :-)

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  94. Re:Mission 1: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mission 3: collect underpants
    Mission 4: find Natalie Portman
    Mission 5: ???
    Mission 6: Profit!!!

  95. That was one *SCARY* dream! by ZoomieDood · · Score: 0

    So you're telling me that dream I had last night of a mechanical creature feasting on my face and then implanting eggs in my wife was all *JUST* a nightmare?

    *shudder*

    I couldn't stand to have any more kids - I've got 5 already!

  96. Fun with punctuation! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Waitor! There's a dead, tiny-fly-eating-aircraft in my soup!

    Waitor! There's a dead, tiny, fly-eating aircraft in my soup!

    Waitor! There's a dead, tiny fly, eating aircraft in my soup!

  97. Bake your bread with it! by tetsuji · · Score: 1

    My strategy for using the spent grain is to bake a coarse whole-grain bread with it. I usually make a new batch at the same time as I'm re-racking an old batch, so I use the spent yeast from the first batch as well (although I usually need to add some bread yeast as well to get enough activity.)

    Rye breads are particularly good this way since the caraway seeds offset some of the bitterness of the spent grain. I also like to substitute some of the partially fermented beer from the first racking for water in the bread recipe, which gives some additional flavor and nice sweetness from the unfermented malt.

  98. In the USA, we call these wasps. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Small flying aircraft which eat small bugs and are attracted to the scent of apples are called wasps.

  99. There goes my dreams... by linux_maverick · · Score: 0

    of being a fly on the wall watching as humanity destroys itself with technology.

  100. Step 4 by FlynnMP3 · · Score: 1

    Welcome the new robotic flying insect eating overlords!

  101. eat misquitos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They need to make it eat misquitos and just fly around, maybe do something else useful like act as a wifi link in a larger network and reduce the pest population at the same time.

  102. Mr. Fusion by andyrut · · Score: 1

    Actually, Mr. Fusion didn't show up until Back To The Future II.

    Mr. Fusion appeared both at the end of the original (Part I) and at the beginning of Part II.

  103. Re:Waitor! There's a transvestite in my soup! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shut up now everyone will want one

  104. Back to the Future Pt 2? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Didn't the professor's flying Delorian take organic waste like banana peels as fuel? Sounds similar :)

  105. Well, that's all well and good by DrDebug · · Score: 1

    But what happens when the world runs out of flies?

    Duh!

  106. slug killer is for real by SethJohnson · · Score: 1



    This article shows a prototype. It looks like the project is much further along than this theoretical flying fly-eater.

  107. The trouble with robots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The metal teeth, and all the biting and the hurting and the shoving...

  108. Re:robot hunts flies all day, too tired to take pi by thrillseeker · · Score: 1
    as a backpacker, I'd love to have a couple of these flying around me during black fly season

    It'd be much more fun if there were little laser cannons mounted on them.

  109. Curious redundancies by TFGeditor · · Score: 1
    I find it most interesting that (a) the frequency of duped/redundant articles on /. seems to be increasing, (b) /. editors reject a large number of new but intersting articles (for examples see http://technocrat.net/index.pl?op=userlogin&upassw d=db0e0c9621064b5f035498e09358c228&unickname=TFGed itor), (c) /. editors are aware of and even acknowledge this ("Several people noted this previous article on the same project.")

    I wonder why this is.

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  110. This is a wonderful idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If we kill all the mosquitos, it will make a significant dent in the wasp population too, since that's primarily what the stinging little bitches eat.

    Killing all the wasps is a good thing. I don't care if the rainforest dies just because the date wasps are extinct. Kill all the wasps!

  111. Need one for people! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It will be more cool when the robots start eating people for energy.

  112. Flying apples? by Mortiss · · Score: 0

    By "digesting" its own fuel, the aircraft could become autonomous and operate without the need for refueling, changing batteries or recharging from the mains. In the Microbial Fuel Cell microbes are used to extract electricity directly from food - in this case flies or apple

    Of all the food,why apples??? Because there are so many apples avaliable to be ingested by flying aircrafts.

  113. You know what? You're right. by stealth.c · · Score: 1

    You are absolutely correct that we need to consider every angle before doing something to nature. I mourn the loss of the Native American societies who lived not to domineer over nature but to be wise stewards within it.

    My problem is with statements like "...consequenses would certainly be local....". How do we know that?

    We know that because we already have machines that slaughter the bloodsuckers en masse. I mentioned them above. They mimic the breath of a mammal to lure mosquitos. They cut down the *local* mosquito population.

    I have yet to hear of any catastrophic environmental consequences. I'm all for conservation/restoration, but the mosquito population where it's thick enough to be annoying could easily stand to be lessened and still be enough to feed birds/pollinate flowers/whatever. Realize that there can be MILLIONS of these little bastards in a single area. The out-of-control skeeter numbers are, I presume, due to some other human-caused problem. Like I said before, I think we've already wiped out any "environment" that could need protecting. In fact, I'd wager there are many of situations where actively controlling the mosquito population would be the *responsible* thing to do.

    Nevertheless, as irritating as I find mosquitos, and as much as I would welcome a world without little winged vampires, the best course of action is for people to just grin and bear it--or wear some OFF. They're just mosquitos. But if/when they become a health hazard (if West Nile gets out of control, for example), I choose humans over bugs.

  114. Re:Step 3 by TimeTraveler1884 · · Score: 1

    I hate crap like this. It's all about making money. I've seen this before and the formula goes something like this:

    1. Create hungry self-reproducing flying insect robots.

    2. Release robots into wild.

    3. Make ransome demand to world governments for one million dollars.

    4. Profit!

    4b. Apocalypse!

  115. mostly a military comment by KarmaBurned · · Score: 1

    just a few comments that came a couple hours after reading mostly a comment on military largescale systems. only time will tell. well either time or a cadre of dod funded researchers and engineers. it's still quite smallscale however considering the US DOD especiallies new robotic /unmanned units.. all they need is fuel sustainability and you have a continously (except repairs etc..) mobile unit... just add a a variety of choice ai systems.. whala. a new techno monster drone which could be programable for a number of tasks.. and yes they have programmed hunterseaker flying drones befor so I have heard. its gets sicker when you consider their stealth systems.. including chameleon system.. but it seems that the microbial fuel cell is being geared towards small scale recon and sensor units. the other though although I'm not a bibleprophecy person is could the future flying locusts be the black flying things that plauge the faithful.. or in modern times those that do not display their VISA? you know the story.

  116. Re:Step 3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Give robot the ability to manipulate it's offspring's hardware.


    iNcest?
  117. Lawn Mower by MikeFM · · Score: 1

    I've played around in the past with making a lawn mower that could run off grass clippings digested in a similar way to this. I still think it'd be an awesome product if a company ever brought it to market.

    I never thought to give my lawnmower much of a brain - just following an automated route and schedule for mowing - but I suppose it'd be possible. Why have bee sized overlords when you can have a tractor with whirling razor sharp steel blades as your overlord. Bwahahahaha!

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