Rather surprised that nobody's pointed out that the 9700 Mobility is just a speed-bumped 9600 Mobility. It only has four pixel pipelines to work with and is still limited by the 128-bit memory bus. There's no eight-pipe 256-bit bus width card here, folks....
So I guess both the AC comments preceding this one basically say "GO LCD!!!11"
Which isn't a bad idea, as far as pollution and radiation go. Less power drawn (my 20" KDS monitor dissipates a LOT of heat... more than my overclocked Athlon XP setup, in my estimation. Even the dinky little 14" monitor working on my server draws more power and dissipates more heat than the system to which it's attached, again in my estimation.
There would also be no beta radiation as far as I know, and the lead-leeching glass panes are replaced by light, portable plastic.
But then, that's the reason we buy LCD displays, isn't it?
I can definitely back that up. With a 2.1GHz P4 Willamette, a 2.8GHz P4 Northwood, a pair of Athlon XPs at 1.5GHz and 2.2GHz, and a P3-450 to boot, I had the window open last winter while my computers ran Folding@Home 24/7. I dread the coming warm seasons... I have to SLEEP in this room.
This is gonna be modded "flamebait" or "redundant" or something like that, but there is no 3DMark2003. You say that on the FM forums and there's a good chance someone will jump on you... it's 3DMark03.
...posted a thread in Futuremark.com's forums about their investigation, so the "Onions" who dwell there (myself included) knew about this a while ago. Unfortunately for the poor editor, his colleague had already alienated the Onions by posting some very incendiary anti-AMD and anti-AMD-user articles in THG, and so the editor who posted there didn't receive any help at all. He actually got flamed out of the forum and the thread got deleted.
On that note, it would take a SERIOUS n00b to believe any of the BS from Michael's Computers. All they need do is look at the FM ORB and realize the highest score EVER ACHIEVED using stock settings is just over 10000 (10008, to be exact).
Actually, now that I read the article, I must take a chuckle at the 500GB HyperDrives. I'll take one for my X-Wing, please.
As I said a few days ago on the FM forums... I think my bullshitometer just overloaded.
Doesn't bother me, I have a UPS, so my computer stays on during brief power outages. And now that the Internet comes over power lines, I'll have connectivity from my UPS too! I'm still jealous of my friend who's got a generator, though. He can generate his own power, and now he can generate his own Internet! Wish I could do that...
When the power goes out, it usually means a problem with something further up the line than a simple wall outlet. Unless you found a way to store the Internet in its entirely in your UPS! Wish I could store the Internet in my UPS.
Having never read 1984, I still immediately thought of that book, just from the references others have made. As a Floridian, I think I'll buy a ticket for the next Mars Lander excursion. 1 out of 3 chances of surviving the impact sounds pretty good!
You'd be a fool not to spend a paltry $90 on a 2500 and then a trivial overclock to 3200 (2.4GHz, IIRC).
RIGHT NOW.
The Athlon XP 3200+ runs at 2.2GHz core speed with a 400MHz FSB. The newest 2500+ (and all Bartons, for that matter) are multiplier-locked, with no known way of unlocking them, but the 2500+ uses the same multiplier as the 3200+... just at a different bus speed. So long as the motherboard can do it (and the memory too, but you can use a 6/5 divider if need be) you can just jack up the FSB to 400MHz and have yourself an instant 3200+. All the 2500+ CPUs I've heard of bar two (so, about 97-99%) will do 2.2GHz on stock or near-stock voltage.
If I may expand on this, the Pentium 4 also has two thermal diodes. The first, which is placed in the center of the core, is what the CPU uses for its own measurements for throttling. The second, placed near the edge of the die in a cooler zone, reports temperatures to the end user... and in addition to being in a relatively cool part of the CPU, it reports temps at least 10 degrees centigrade below what it actually registers.
No, the facehuggers have just finished their transition to SCO. Some from the RIAA have jumped to the new ship as well, though most have stayed at their long-standing abode.
That depends... Do you consider it "misleading" to label an Athlon running at 1.8GHz as a 2200?
The 2200+ is, as stated before, merely a model number. Also, the performance rating is not given by AMD, but rather by an outside review source that tests the CPUs and gives a PR based on performance... its not just some arbitrary number AMD dreamed up. Though how that applies to the Athlon64 3200+, which soundly defeats the Athlon XP 3200+, I do not know... I can only assume the PR system was restarted with 3200+ as a base point, and from its actual real-world performance, the PR critics have little to complain about.
As for the topic of the thread, branding a RV250 core as an RV280 core may seem just when you look at features and general performance, but in reality, that's like branding a R300 core (9700 Pro) an R350 core (9800). There's not much performance difference, but the latter is still a more advanced, newer core even though both cores have the same basic features, kinda like selling a Palomino-cored 1700+ as a Thoroughbred-B cored 1700+.
The Matrix had depth. Revolutions had depth, as well as an insane number of little fighting deathbots! Reloaded... that served as a bridge between the two for me. I could never truly picture that movie as anything more than a good action flick (nice car chase!), whereas TM and TM:Rev gave more of that [Neo]"Whoa..."[/Neo] feel.
"Relative" expensiveness? Intel's response to AMD's FX-51 was the Pentium 4 Extreme Edition. Anyone care to quote a price? I'm thinking it was somewhere around $940... for just the CPU and retail heatsink/fan.
$940 for a CPU is a bit more than "relatively" espensive. o.O
"...took the fill rates down to 350 megapixels per second..."
They fixed it. Guess they read SlashDot! Well, I guess they had to find out what was eating up all their bandwidth... can't hurt to check it out, eh?
momg userfriendly u truly are the comedy connosir and when u pst it on other sites it makes me think your some kind of comedy pilgrim come to blow our minds!!!
UserFriendly isn't a guy, its a website. You refer to the Daily Static, which is created by a man known to many as Illiad. I find the strips ranging from dry to moderately humorous, though personally, I find/. spelling and grammar far, far more hilarious.
Yep, I still use a full 33MHz 80486 system. All it does is sit in my closet so I can type in my journal in peace, and nobody else knows its back there... that, and it's running Win95 GUI, NAV, and a few other resource hogs of my choice on 4MB of RAM, so the bootup time is seriously 8+ minutes... people think it locked up and they turn it off:).
As for seriously using in an open, everyday manner, my dad's workstation has one of the old Personal System/2 monitors, the ones that can only do 640x480x60Hz refresh, gray monitors in a gray shell. It's over fifteen years old now, by the "built-on" date... got it with a 286 from a garage sale. It had a sticker on it: "Property of School Board of such and such", but it's also very old, so I don't know whether to be suspicious or not.
As for my main system: nothing's old in that system. The oldest part is the CD-burner, an old 4x4x24 HP from about Y2K, but other than that, even my network card is less than six months old. My RAM is going on eight, and I think I may have to replace it... my video card I got last Christmas, and its already so beat up its not funny: GPU fan not working, two blades popped off said fan, dusty as hell; I have an 80mm fan blowing on it to keep it from dying any sooner than it will already. The only reason nothing is old in my main system is because parts don't live long enough to be called old!
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Rather surprised that nobody's pointed out that the 9700 Mobility is just a speed-bumped 9600 Mobility. It only has four pixel pipelines to work with and is still limited by the 128-bit memory bus. There's no eight-pipe 256-bit bus width card here, folks....
So I guess both the AC comments preceding this one basically say "GO LCD!!!11"
Which isn't a bad idea, as far as pollution and radiation go. Less power drawn (my 20" KDS monitor dissipates a LOT of heat... more than my overclocked Athlon XP setup, in my estimation. Even the dinky little 14" monitor working on my server draws more power and dissipates more heat than the system to which it's attached, again in my estimation.
There would also be no beta radiation as far as I know, and the lead-leeching glass panes are replaced by light, portable plastic.
But then, that's the reason we buy LCD displays, isn't it?
I can definitely back that up. With a 2.1GHz P4 Willamette, a 2.8GHz P4 Northwood, a pair of Athlon XPs at 1.5GHz and 2.2GHz, and a P3-450 to boot, I had the window open last winter while my computers ran Folding@Home 24/7. I dread the coming warm seasons... I have to SLEEP in this room.
This is gonna be modded "flamebait" or "redundant" or something like that, but there is no 3DMark2003. You say that on the FM forums and there's a good chance someone will jump on you... it's 3DMark03.
...posted a thread in Futuremark.com's forums about their investigation, so the "Onions" who dwell there (myself included) knew about this a while ago. Unfortunately for the poor editor, his colleague had already alienated the Onions by posting some very incendiary anti-AMD and anti-AMD-user articles in THG, and so the editor who posted there didn't receive any help at all. He actually got flamed out of the forum and the thread got deleted.
On that note, it would take a SERIOUS n00b to believe any of the BS from Michael's Computers. All they need do is look at the FM ORB and realize the highest score EVER ACHIEVED using stock settings is just over 10000 (10008, to be exact).
Actually, now that I read the article, I must take a chuckle at the 500GB HyperDrives. I'll take one for my X-Wing, please.
As I said a few days ago on the FM forums... I think my bullshitometer just overloaded.
Doesn't bother me, I have a UPS, so my computer stays on during brief power outages. And now that the Internet comes over power lines, I'll have connectivity from my UPS too! I'm still jealous of my friend who's got a generator, though. He can generate his own power, and now he can generate his own Internet! Wish I could do that...
When the power goes out, it usually means a problem with something further up the line than a simple wall outlet. Unless you found a way to store the Internet in its entirely in your UPS! Wish I could store the Internet in my UPS.
The day I see that will be the day my DVD player dies a horrible, videotaped death.
Having never read 1984, I still immediately thought of that book, just from the references others have made. As a Floridian, I think I'll buy a ticket for the next Mars Lander excursion. 1 out of 3 chances of surviving the impact sounds pretty good!
Sometimes I feel guilty about doing some work, while I am trying to read Slashdot.
/.?
Work !=
You'd be a fool not to spend a paltry $90 on a 2500 and then a trivial overclock to 3200 (2.4GHz, IIRC). RIGHT NOW.
The Athlon XP 3200+ runs at 2.2GHz core speed with a 400MHz FSB. The newest 2500+ (and all Bartons, for that matter) are multiplier-locked, with no known way of unlocking them, but the 2500+ uses the same multiplier as the 3200+... just at a different bus speed. So long as the motherboard can do it (and the memory too, but you can use a 6/5 divider if need be) you can just jack up the FSB to 400MHz and have yourself an instant 3200+. All the 2500+ CPUs I've heard of bar two (so, about 97-99%) will do 2.2GHz on stock or near-stock voltage.
If I may expand on this, the Pentium 4 also has two thermal diodes. The first, which is placed in the center of the core, is what the CPU uses for its own measurements for throttling. The second, placed near the edge of the die in a cooler zone, reports temperatures to the end user... and in addition to being in a relatively cool part of the CPU, it reports temps at least 10 degrees centigrade below what it actually registers.
No, the facehuggers have just finished their transition to SCO. Some from the RIAA have jumped to the new ship as well, though most have stayed at their long-standing abode.
That depends... Do you consider it "misleading" to label an Athlon running at 1.8GHz as a 2200?
The 2200+ is, as stated before, merely a model number. Also, the performance rating is not given by AMD, but rather by an outside review source that tests the CPUs and gives a PR based on performance... its not just some arbitrary number AMD dreamed up. Though how that applies to the Athlon64 3200+, which soundly defeats the Athlon XP 3200+, I do not know... I can only assume the PR system was restarted with 3200+ as a base point, and from its actual real-world performance, the PR critics have little to complain about.
As for the topic of the thread, branding a RV250 core as an RV280 core may seem just when you look at features and general performance, but in reality, that's like branding a R300 core (9700 Pro) an R350 core (9800). There's not much performance difference, but the latter is still a more advanced, newer core even though both cores have the same basic features, kinda like selling a Palomino-cored 1700+ as a Thoroughbred-B cored 1700+.
They're about to learn a whole lot real fast!
The Matrix had depth.
Revolutions had depth, as well as an insane number of little fighting deathbots!
Reloaded... that served as a bridge between the two for me. I could never truly picture that movie as anything more than a good action flick (nice car chase!), whereas TM and TM:Rev gave more of that [Neo]"Whoa..."[/Neo] feel.
...i'm not as geeky as i used to be, but i've currently got an XP 1800+ system with EIDE drives, and a TNT1(!) video card.
;)
I personally feel that i'm set for about the next 4 years.
Uh-ohhhz! Someone's not a gamer!
"Relative" expensiveness? Intel's response to AMD's FX-51 was the Pentium 4 Extreme Edition. Anyone care to quote a price? I'm thinking it was somewhere around $940... for just the CPU and retail heatsink/fan.
$940 for a CPU is a bit more than "relatively" espensive. o.O
...it occured to me that Bill would only be "taking a jab" at Linux if he saw it as a competitor. Which it bloody well should be.
Sun Operating System... am I the only one that instantly thought of S.O.S. as an acronym?
"...took the fill rates down to 350 megapixels per second..." They fixed it. Guess they read SlashDot! Well, I guess they had to find out what was eating up all their bandwidth... can't hurt to check it out, eh?
What about the guy who ends up with nine pairs of blue socks... and nothing else?
Spam? Delicious? You've obviously never had a hard drive sandwich.
Sorry to offend, I'm just used to dealing with retards. I work retail.
momg userfriendly u truly are the comedy connosir and when u pst it on other sites it makes me think your some kind of comedy pilgrim come to blow our minds!!!
/. spelling and grammar far, far more hilarious.
UserFriendly isn't a guy, its a website. You refer to the Daily Static, which is created by a man known to many as Illiad. I find the strips ranging from dry to moderately humorous, though personally, I find
Yep, I still use a full 33MHz 80486 system. All it does is sit in my closet so I can type in my journal in peace, and nobody else knows its back there... that, and it's running Win95 GUI, NAV, and a few other resource hogs of my choice on 4MB of RAM, so the bootup time is seriously 8+ minutes... people think it locked up and they turn it off :).
As for seriously using in an open, everyday manner, my dad's workstation has one of the old Personal System/2 monitors, the ones that can only do 640x480x60Hz refresh, gray monitors in a gray shell. It's over fifteen years old now, by the "built-on" date... got it with a 286 from a garage sale. It had a sticker on it: "Property of School Board of such and such", but it's also very old, so I don't know whether to be suspicious or not.
As for my main system: nothing's old in that system. The oldest part is the CD-burner, an old 4x4x24 HP from about Y2K, but other than that, even my network card is less than six months old. My RAM is going on eight, and I think I may have to replace it... my video card I got last Christmas, and its already so beat up its not funny: GPU fan not working, two blades popped off said fan, dusty as hell; I have an 80mm fan blowing on it to keep it from dying any sooner than it will already. The only reason nothing is old in my main system is because parts don't live long enough to be called old!