THG Debuts Networking Guide

fist_187 writes "Tom's Hardware Guide has opened their new site Tom's Networking. The name pretty much says it all."

Comments

It's good and all

[Azadre]

But can it help me network a beowulf cluster?

WARNING: PARENT LINKS TO TOM'S HARDWARE SCAT SITE

[Anonymous Coward]

GROSS!

Networking,

[p5]

Maybe Tom needs to learn about load balancing.

Re:Networking,

[Anonymous Coward]

It was down before the first post even appeared, this is destined to be some networking guide...

Re:Networking,

[Anonymous Coward]

it looks like he is, the hard way.

Re:Networking,

[Anonymous Coward]

Maybe Tom and his writers just need to learn _anything_. Props for being one of the first doing what they do but what they write is generally utter crap and often bias is obvious. And Tom's "business insights" are cringable.

Re:Networking,

[Anonymous Coward]

He's the Dvorak of the enthusiasts world. (opinions just to stir up emotion/links) Also very popular. I sudder all the purchases coming from his "recommendations."

Re:Networking,

[inode_buddha]

Maybe he could pour some liquid nitrogen on it and make it go faster?

Re:Networking,

[Anonymous Coward]

Oh well. First slashdotting joke that made me smile in years.

Re:Networking,

[oaf357]

I've got a really good idea for their next article.

Re:Networking,

[Serveert]

After reading his horrific review of Opterons I got the picture really quick: he doesn't know his head from his ass. Naively I emailed him asking for clarifications, it has been a month and he hasn't responded yet. Aceshardware and even anandtech are much better, more thorough and actually know what they're talking aobut.

Re:Networking,

[Baka_kun]

When tom and his writers show me atleast a CCNA certificate, i will believe what they write on this page.

Re:Networking,

[VoraciousGorak]

Maybe Tom needs to learn about load balancing.

They're about to learn a whole lot real fast!

Re:Networking,

[bwdunn]

The site is up and working. He's just pointing anyone linking from Slashdot to another index page. Try typing in the URL directly in a new browser:

tomsnetworking.com/

This isn't so dumb after all.

Re:Networking,

[unclemik9]

/. users that use the provided link are being redirected to a subpage on the site.
http://tomsnetworking.com/index_slashdot.ph p
that is load balancing.

Re:Networking,

[shadowmas]

this link still can access the actual page
http://tomsnetworking.com/index.php

Re:Networking,

[Anonymous Coward]

yeah you can know your stuff and still be a snotty nosed, spoiled rotten, self worshipping, egomaniac little twit!! *cough*anand*cough* as for tom i believe he`s german nuff said...

Re:WARNING: PARENT LINKS TO TOM'S HARDWARE SCAT SI

[Anonymous Coward]

indeed

Must I? I THINK SO

[Bobby Onions]

In Soviet Russia, Hardware Guides Tom!

Re:Must I? I THINK SO

[Anonymous Coward]

It's not funny, when it's dull and repetitive.

Re:Must I? I THINK SO

[Anonymous Coward]

You must be new here

Re:Must I? I THINK SO

[Anonymous Coward]

No, I don't look for crap. I simply believe that the moderators on slashdot are crap, as a general rule, i.e. they may be good at down-moderating links
to gay porn, but other than that, they are the dancing, singing shit of this world.

Re:Must I? I THINK SO

[Anonymous Coward]

I, for one, welcome our new dull and repetetive overlords.

Re:Must I? I THINK SO

[Anonymous Coward]

In Capitalist America the Hardware Manufacturers guide Tom.

Re:Must I? I THINK SO

[Anonymous Coward]

Sadly this often appears to be the case.

Re:Must I? I THINK SO

[Rick the Red]

Meet the new boss,

same as the old boss.

The name pretty much says it all.

[Rosco P. Coltrane]

So does visiting the site apparently:

This document contains no data

Re:The name pretty much says it all.

[Frisky070802]

Actually, now it seems to read coming soon. Looks like their site release is now in the mysterious future.... when they get enough resources to handle being slashdotted.

Re:The name pretty much says it all.

[Anonymous Coward]

TomsNetworking will return as soon as our slashdot initiation is finished...

Amen.

This week on Tom's Network Guide

[__aawwih8715]

"This week we overclock the latest NIC's, and do a torture test to our site -- We will be linked to at slashdot."

Re: This week on Tom's Network Guide

[JagEsquire]

This actually has me laughing on the floor.

New site about Networking and the site is down. I lost my trust in Tom when he stopped making an informed decision and started saying that the people that advertise with him have the best products. Launching a Networking site that can't stay up under load just makes me laugh even harder and will make me never come back.

Re: This week on Tom's Network Guide

[Anonymous Coward]

I lost my trust in Tom when he stopped making an informed decision

Whoa. When did he do that? Because actually I pretty much don't care about the latest hardware trends and every time I have to buy a new graphics card or CPU I consult good ole' Tom. Are you implying this was a mistake?

Re: This week on Tom's Network Guide

[IM6100]

For many of us 'networking' has to do with a lot more than a networked machine running Apache.

Furthermore, if you connect to the site without a slashdot referrer, you have no problem. So who is the 'bumbling incompetent'? Someone who has their site filter on referrer, or someone who apparently doesn't even understand that's what happened?

On the other hand, looking at the 'Toms' page, it looks like another gear-review site. Fine enough, but there's more to networking than that.

Re: This week on Tom's Network Guide

[__aawwih8715]

True, but his site should be able to handle a slashdotting. I mean, people coming from this site are people his advertisers are going after. Why wouldn't he want the slashdot crowd?

Re: This week on Tom's Network Guide

[ch1pn3ss]

bitch and moan all you want, I bet microsoft couldnt handle the full force of being slashdotted.

Poor Tom has some networking problems of his own..

[BW_Nuprin]

C'mon, posting a brand new site on slashdot? Thats just plain MEAN!

THD?

[JewFish]

Anyone else read THD debuts networking guide? Well it certainly got me thinking how you could take "advantage" of total harmonic distortion in networking.

Re:THD?

[AKnightCowboy]

Anyone else read THD debuts networking guide?

No, but everytime I see THG I keep thinking "The Humble Guys" and am wondering if they've got some new 0-day warez out like Police Quest II or Space Quest.

Re:THD?

[saintlupus]

No, but everytime I see THG I keep thinking "The Humble Guys" and am wondering if they've got some new 0-day warez out like Police Quest II or Space Quest.

Heh. I thought I was the only one who had that reaction to the THG acronym.

"Oh, good! A new 64k loader!"

--saint

Re:THD?

[Anonymous Coward]

"Oh, good! A new 64k loader!"

Ah, that days when guys did demos in assembly language to squeeze every last bit of graphical performance out of a 386 with a VGA card. Some of those warez groups' demos were outstanding with the stereo soundblaster sound and full color graphics. :-)

Slashdotted.

[DarkHelmet]

Oh well... There goes my faith in Tom's Networking Ability (Tm)

Re:Slashdotted.

[Anonymous Coward]

Oh well... There goes my faith in Tom's Networking Ability (Tm)

Don't worry, keep surfing around the net. Your faith in good ole T 'n' A will be back in no time!

-----
What happened to censorware.org?

Re:Slashdotted.

[ActiveSX]

How could you ever lose faith in TNA?

At least they are experts on social networking.

[Anonymous Coward]

At least they are experts on social networking.

Not too good for their main audience I guess

[Aliencow]

I haven't seen the site since it doesn't load, but most people I know who are fans of Tom's Hardware are gamers who will tell you stuff such as "OMFG LOL!!!111 Did u see that burning athlon on tomshardware !? AHHAR ROFLELFELFLE" and who will never actually READ anything unless it's a chart with big colorful bars for FPS rates on video cards.

Re:Not too good for their main audience I guess

[Anarke_Incarnate]

Come on....do you mean to tell me that if you run a CPU without a heatsink, it can be damaged? Next up on Toms Horsepower Guide, running an '03 Mustang GT without a radiator causes stalling

Re:Not too good for their main audience I guess

[the unbeliever]

The article and video in question was demonstrating poor AMD design quality, in that the AMD proc kept on going until the point of meltdown once the heatsink was removed, the p3 locking up completely, but no damage to the processor, and the p4 clocking itself down.

Of course you can't run a pc without at the very least a heatsink on the CPU, but some die more gracefully than others.

Signed,
A Dedicated AMD FanBoy, regardless of heat issues.

Re:Not too good for their main audience I guess

[IM6100]

I've run CPUs without heatsinks for decades. In fact, I once attached a heatsink to the Z80 processor on my BigBoard CP/M machine, hoping that would make it stop crashing. It didn't. I had to actually put a fan in a case (actually, first I had to put the BigBoard in a case!) and have air circulating over the entire board before it became stable.

It wasn't an AMD or Intel CPU, tho, so I suppose I should just step out of the way of the fragging here.

Re:Not too good for their main audience I guess

[dnoyeb]

Yes but why? We know this to be a NEW feature on the P4. So its kind of silly to proclaim today a failure Athlons have had for an eternity!? IIRC, P3 , P2, P1, K6 and K7 as well.

Re:Not too good for their main audience I guess

[the unbeliever]

The clocking down, sure. The p3 locks up, but doesn't fry itself.

The Athlon, however, did.

Re:Not too good for their main audience I guess

[Aliencow]

Yeah especially since the 3 good games I got were like, Quake3, Kotor and Manhunt.

Re:Not too good for their main audience I guess

[NateTech]

Umm, the Via Eden 533's run just fine without a heatsink on the processor. 50 watts just isn't very much heat to dissipate.

Yeah, its slow...

Your generalization is incorrect.

Re:Not too good for their main audience I guess

[Anarke_Incarnate]

I understand, but I have seen P3s and P4s, along with various lines of celerons die from thermal issues, as well as K6's, durons and athlons. The point I was merely making was that it was a stupid test in the first place.

Damn slashdot's influence to hell

[t0qer]

Why is it every CMS based site out there now wants to be sectioned out like slashdot?

Tom if you're listening. Just keep the site the way it is. You don't need to copy slashdot. I go to your site for good reviews. My favorite part about your site is the graph analysis you provide with every review that compares a product to a similiar line of products. Also I know you're a smart guy, who knows his stuff, and I hold your opinion in high regard.

Keep doing what you do best. Slashdot is here for bullshit comments, karma, and is generally not considered a "valid journalistic source". Your site is considered journalism by many.

Re:Damn slashdot's influence to hell

[Anonymous Coward]

Who cares about how fast I can run MS Word, or
how many HUNDREDS of FPS I can get in Q3. I think
Tommy boy needs to get his priorities straight and
begin benchmarking real stuff like LINPACK and BLAS
like the real boys. HTH

Re:Damn slashdot's influence to hell

[Dark Lord Seth]

Tom if you're listening. Just keep the site the way it is. You don't need to copy slashdot. I go to your site for good reviews. My favorite part about your site is the graph analysis you provide with every review that compares a product to a similiar line of products. Also I know you're a smart guy, who knows his stuff, and I hold your opinion in high regard.

The worst part is, is that you seem genuine about this. Next up on Tom's Networking!

35k USD Cisco 64 port switch vs 35k USD 64k port 3Com switch! 10+ of explanation why you need one! With 20+ Win32 benchmark tools! 40+ horizontal bar graphs! 60+ pages on senseless bullshit! 80+ of advertisements! Next up, Tom's Applied Mathematics, Tom's Psychological Profiling and Tom's Taxidermy! YAY!

I'd rather read somethingawful.com articles on networking. "Cliss Yablonksi hates stateful firewalls" and "Photoshop Phriday: Your IPv6 implementation vs The Hulk!" sound quite interesting!"

Re:Damn slashdot's influence to hell

[Anonymous Coward]

> Your site is considered journalism by many.

Tom is nothing but a corporate whore. He sold his readers out many months ago. I'm dumbfounded as to why you'd hold his site in such a regard.

Re:Damn slashdot's influence to hell

[Anonymous Coward]

"Your site is considered journalism by many."

I hope to God you're kidding about this. Tom is about as credible and knowledgable as any random /. post.

Re:Damn slashdot's influence to hell

[the uNF cola]

I go to your site for good reviews

Then you may wanna go to sites like arstechnica instead.

Re:Damn slashdot's influence to hell

[Anonymous Coward]

YEAH! Because we all know Slashdot was the first anything anywhere to have two or more departments that did different stuff!

Re:Damn slashdot's influence to hell

[Hast]

Actually, considering that he is a medical doctor he may have some valid insights into taxidermy.

Re:Damn slashdot's influence to hell

[Anonymous Coward]

your mother is calling you, time to come in and go tinkle and take your medicatian...

Re:Damn slashdot's influence to hell

[Anonymous Coward]

i really liked thier site for a long time until they went to pay to play :(

That's THC

[DigiShaman]

Smoke it up dude...

Hey scooby!! Pass the dooby!

Re:That's THC

[Anonymous Coward]

You are a worthless dimwit, and I hope your family catches on fire. Shut up, never post again.

- CmdrTaco

WARNING: PARENT REDIRECTS TO FOXNEWS! SICKENING!

[Anonymous Coward]

SO GROSS!

It's about time Tom branched into Dating

[Anonymous Coward]

Imagine TomsDating.com? He could rank all your potential mates with a variety of benchmarks, and even try overclocking them.

Re:It's about time Tom branched into Dating

[Zork the Almighty]

I tried to tweaked one and I got punched in the face.

Re:It's about time Tom branched into Dating

[Sexy Bern]

Was it because of your 3.5" floppy?

Re:It's about time Tom branched into Dating

[Anonymous Coward]

Hey, a 3.5" floppy isn't too bad as long as you also have a full sized hard one.

Re:It's about time Tom branched into Dating

[xkenny13]

Imagine TomsDating.com? He could rank all your potential mates with a variety of benchmarks, and even try overclocking them.

Will they "go down" as quickly as this site did?

Re:It's about time Tom branched into Dating

[teklob]

but he would only reccomend the ones who would perform sexual favors for him

Re:It's about time Tom branched into Dating

[Anonymous Coward]

Is that called a hermaphrodite?

Re:It's about time Tom branched into Dating

[Anonymous Coward]

Still would more useful then a networking site.

Re:It's about time Tom branched into Dating

[Joel Bruick]

I remember when 5.25" was the floppy standard.

Re:It's about time Tom branched into Dating

[Hektor_Troy]

My 31/2" floppy can turn into an 8" solid state ...

Re:It's about time Tom branched into Dating

[lpret]

No, it's because he was SCSI...

I'll say it.......

[USAPatriot]

I'll say it because no one else will. Tom is an ass.

But more importantly his reviews suck! I haven't even looked at this one but i venture to guess it's at least 15 pages, milk that advertising cash cow, tom!

If brevity is the soul of wit, then you are one dumb mother fucker Tom.

Now for the informative part of by rant:

try www.hardocp.com
or
www.anandtech.com
or
www.ac eshardware.com

all 100% better than tom's

Re:I'll say it.......

[Propaganda13]

Yeah, but the brains behind it is Tim Higgins.
He made a great site called www.practicallynetworked.com which I believe he sold off then he went on to make www.smallnetbuilder.com,which he seems to have somehow combined with Tom.

What will happen? I don't know, but at least give him a chance to go bad.

Re:I'll say it.......

[W2k]

Admittedly Anandtech write solid reviews, but HardOCP is run by an idiot with an ego problem. I would not rely on their reviews. As for Ace's, I don't visit it very often, so I've no opinion of it.

ALL hardware sites are influenced by advertisers as far as I'm concerned. Though I cannot prove this - some of them may very well be clean - but it's safest to assume this and never put your complete trust in a single site.

Re:I'll say it.......

[Anonymous Coward]

Admittedly Anandtech write solid reviews, but HardOCP is run by an idiot with an ego problem.

I stopped visiting Anandtech when he started linking keywords in his articles to advertisers. The only indication that the links were advertisements was that they were a different color (orange I believe). Embedding advertising in editorial content is quite dubious and his ethics are therefore questionable.

I agree with your comment about HardOCP's owner. A few years back I had an e-mail exchange with him on the issue of video cards. He was doing an expose on ATI's dubious practices and presenting himself as some kind of advocate for the little guy. Yet when I sent lengthy messages detailing similar practices in the NVidia camp, he really didn't want to know about it and finished up insulting me personally.

I have similarly negative opinions of Tom and his Hardware Guide. With everyone vying for more hits, more review hardware, and more advertising dollars, people of integrity are hard to come by in the hardware review business.

Re:I'll say it.......

[Anonymous Coward]

right on... hardocp suck monkey balls

Re:I'll say it.......

[krogoth]

I've heard this a lot recently, but didn't know what all the fuss was about until I read a comparison of Athlon 64 motherboards a few days ago -- I wasn't even looking closely, but when I compared information with other sources, there were several factual mistakes in virtually every paragraph! (for example, the roundup claimed that the motherboard I now have only supports single-sided DIMMs in two of the slots, but the manual clearly states that you can use a double-sided DIMM in one of those slots at a time)

I won't believe anything I read on THG again.

Re:I'll say it.......

[Anonymous Coward]

Why do people keep falling for this troll?

I've read this exact post in an older story about Tom's Hardware, and I fear I'll see it again in the future. I pointed out back then that there's no substance to this post (he sucks, his reviews suck, he's dumb, here's some links everyone knows about anyway), I guess I'll have to keep pointing it out.

Why do mods fall for this crap?

Re:I'll say it.......

[gnu-generation-one]

"Now for the informative part of by rant:
try www.hardocp.com
or www.anandtech.com
or www.aceshardware.com"

www.hardocp.com:
Do you want to install Macromedia Flash?

No, fuck off annoying animated unblockable advertising crap.

www.anandtech.com:
Do you want to install Macromedia Flash?

No, fuck off annoying animated unblockable advertising crap.

www.aceshardware.com:
Do you want to install Macromedia Flash?

No, fuck off annoying animated unblockable advertising crap.

Re:I'll say it.......

[dnoyeb]

Cool, I didn't know what. back when practicallynetworked was worth a shit (around when dslreports first came out) I was their faithfully.

But its whored itself fully and I cant even bear to look at it its soo repleate with ads. Cant even recommend it to people anymore.

Does this guy deserve a 2nd chanse? or does he want to build up and sell this site as well?

Re:I'll say it.......

[dnoyeb]

I consider HardOCP a very solid site whenever they get around to doing a review, I believe it to be honest.

But yes, his ego has chased me away and some of his politically incorrect attitudes are offensive. Seems to confuse sensitivity with PC...

Re:I'll say it.......

[irc.goatse.cx troll]

"ALL hardware sites are influenced by advertisers as far as I'm concerned. Though I cannot prove this"

I can prove it purely on theory:

Give every product good reviews, manufacturers love you, consumers view you as a cheap shill and your site dies due to lack of userbase.

Give every product honest reviews ("this hardware is worthless" included), manufacturers refuse to supply you with demo hardware and you're stuck paying for your own equip and doing reviews weeks later than everyone else. your site dies due to users going elsewhere.

The only compromise is to favor certain companies and let them deal with the financial aspect(read: cooperate bribing), while trashing their competitors so as to appear like a real reviewer. Its easy to take any data and mangle it to say what you want, and thats all a payed off reviewer has to do.

Combine all of this, and you know that any review site still running is influenced by advertisers. Same with magazines/tv too.

Re:I'll say it.......

[ncc74656]

www.hardocp.com:
Do you want to install Macromedia Flash?

No, fuck off annoying animated unblockable advertising crap.

[etc.]

http://ted.mielczarek.org/code/mozilla/flashblock. xpi

Re:I'll say it.......

[Afrosheen]

Just admit it man, you're upset because Tom was your english teacher. Guess that refund refusal is what really pissed you off huh?

Re:I'll say it.......

[mcbridematt]

But I'm using Minix/8086 you insensitive clod!

Re:I'll say it.......

[Anonymous Coward]

"Flash blocker: http://ted.mielczarek.org/code/mozilla/flashblock. xpi"

Moderators! Bring me some plus points!

Re:I'll say it.......

[Anonymous Coward]

damn typos. -OP

Re:I'll say it.......

[dnoyeb]

Hehe. Thats just how it comes out. I have no idea why my fingers are typing different words than my mind is thinking. Happy my mouth is at bit better at translation.

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New methods for testing net gear

[__aawwih8715]

Maybe tom will test new networking gear by being linked to by slashdot everytime he has a roundup.

Tom's Networking, and I get...

[Anonymous Coward]

an OSDN personals ad on the page!?

Never, EVER ask a geek to go and network with people. You know what the result will be...

First review summary...

[Tony Hoyle]

"In our benchmarks the 3C905C performed poorly, giving only 99.95Mb/s in our benchmarks. In contrast the FA311 (praise be to the advertisers) gave a flawless 99.99Mb and it definately the gamers network card of choice"

"The fact that the rcom 3C905C stops if you put it in a microwave to 10 minutes then stamp on it, means that the FA311 (praise be to the advertisiers) is the only usable network card in its class"

Re:First review summary...

[Anonymous Coward]

Most surprisingly after x-mas when all the reviewerkids got they presents they reviewed a bunch of console games.

that site sucks more than slashdot and fark combined

Re:First review summary...

[Jeff DeMaagd]

I don't know about 100 cards, but there are notable differences in how well gigabit cards operate, differing by as many as hundreds of megabits a second of performance at times. And wireless networking components can be tested for packet rates and speeds given differing distances and base stations.

I do admit that there is too high of a risk of advertisers having an influence on review methodology.

Re:First review summary...

[Anonymous Coward]

Oh, you don't say? I would have thought that would have been bleedin' obvious, you Ameri-Twat!

Re:First review summary...

[Hast]

Gigabit cards can differ a lot since some use drivers to to stuff. (Ie it's your CPU that's doing the job.) Since Gigabit cards are pretty damned fast this can have a noticable impact on your computers performance.

That's why you should go with the bigger cards, or just be content with 100Mb since that most likely will satisfy your needs anyways.

journalism?

[Anonymous Coward]

bullshit?

Dear Tom

[KU_Fletch]

Congrats on the nwe site, please accept its first slashdotting with our regards.

they need it

[Anonymous Coward]

why would i listen to someone who is running a networking site, who cant even withstand /. effect.
yeah they are going to tell me something i dont already know. they will speek loads of quality information.

fcsk them

Where is Jerry's Networking SIte?

[zungu]

Where is Jerry's Networking site? I bet Tom-n-Jerry's networking sites wehn combined will provide solution to all my networking worries.

Domain pollution

[ziplux]

Yay for the corruption and pollution of DNS! Couldn't they just have used a subdomain off of tomshardware.com? If this site really is a subsite of tomshardware.com, it would make sense (and be more considerate to the Internet community) to use something like "networking.tomshardware.com" instead of registering a new domain name.

Re:Domain pollution

[Farrax]

Making a short, easy-to-remember URL is more considerate to the Internet community than the ephermeral benefits of using a subdomain of 'tomshardware.com.'

Usability trumps, uh, 'DNS purity.'

Person held responsible...

[XplosiveX]

Im starting to wonder if Tom's Netowrking even worked in the first place when the story was submitted. Who is to blame for this? The submitter of the story or the slashdot poster?

Has anyone actually been to the site before to know that it even exists?

There has been a lot of THG's articles posted here over the last few weeks so maybe it was just like, "oh well this is THG related so it has to be good" without even checking the link they post it?

/.ed - it is more like

[HashDefine]

TomsNotWorking.com

Says it all?

[martinde]

Is it a blog about the people that Tom has met in his social network? If it's about computer networks, he's got a lot to learn since his site is now inaccessible ;-)

just had to:/

[nih]

is the server at tom's diner?

Re:just had to:/

[Anonymous Coward]

you live in the burgh?

Is that a porn site?

[henriksh]

Tom's hardware guide:

How to get a hardon

And since we've got that covered, the followup:

Tom's networking guide:

How to get laid

Google Cache

[armando_wall]

The more slashdotted the site is, the more I wanna view it!!!

Here's the google cache version of THG, for the impatient people like me.

Re:Google Cache

[BroncoInCalifornia]

Even the Google Cache of the site is Slashdoted!

Re:Google Cache

[alib001]

FYI the site is up (at the time of this post) but I'd guess they're checking the referer so you won't reach it directly from a link from /.

Whip out the "_slashdot" from http://tomsnetworking.com/index_slashdot.php and all should be revealed. (Or paste http://tomsnetworking.com into the address bar of your browser.)

Re:WARNING: PARENT REDIRECTS TO FOXNEWS! SICKENING

[Anonymous Coward]

truth hurts don't it

What a pity

[Ohreally_factor]

Pity it's /.ed. I really wanted to read the Friendster/Tribe.net shootout. Or at least look at the pretty charts.

FARK SHMARK!

[Anonymous Coward]

and so on and so forth

Are you kidding........

[cypherwise]

A dating network of a bunch of fat overweight nerds who still live in their mother's basement.........c'mon how successful will that be?

On the other hand...
::thought bubble::

[ LAN parties w/ mom's homemade mini-weinies and amry sized portions of jolt cola ]

Improvement

[ByteSlicer]

There seems to be improvement: Now I get "TomsNetworking is coming Soon".
I guess his site wasn't ready to go public yet...

Re:Domain pollution; timhiggins.com?

[turtleshadow]

Wierdly the link to www.timhiggins.com now refers to tomshardware.

TimHiggins was a good site for quite some time for reviews and info on wireless and embedded firewall solutions

big help

[Anonymous Coward]

tom's guide is a big help for home networking people. I'm sure most people here do not need it, but it was a big help when I was the greenest of noob's.

You know you're short of respect when...

[Faust7]

A serious story about your tech site is posted on Slashdot, and the first six of the highest-scored posts are all "Score: 5, Funny."

Re:You know you're short of respect when...

[Anonymous Coward]

No. That's more a sign that Slashdot is an entertainment site first, and a technlogy site second.

For those wondering...

[Praedon]

If you look at Tomshardware.com and look on the bottom left where it shows links to different sections such as CPU's, Ram, etc.. If you press on the word Networking, it goes to the recent victim of slashdot, tomsnetworking.com..... Its possible this site has really always existed.. but people browsing tomshardware didnt pay any attention to where their browsers were taking them.

Re:For those wondering...

[Praedon]

Update: The person who submitted the story is right.. I just looked and it says that tomsnetworking.com was opened Jan 1st.. Happy New Year Tom from slashdot! : )

This used to be...

[bwass24]

Tom's "new" site is actually a buyout of the informative and well written smallnetbuilder.com. (www.smallnetbuilder.com) Too bad :( Apparently selling out to Tom was more satisfying than continuing to do a good job.

Re:This used to be...

[Anonymous Coward]

Now that sucks! smallnetbuilder.com was a daily visit.

It wakens...

[0x12d3]

looks like the servers slowly crawling back to it's knees... to serve up a "coming soon" page.

News, Reviews and How-To's for Knowledgeable Networkers Coming Soon!

And by that I'm sure he means they'll have all that fabulous crap when they actually obtain some "knowledgeable Networkers" ;-)

Tom's is a fraud.

[Anonymous Coward]

Actually, the problem with that Intel vs AMD CPU
cookout video that Toms showed a while back was
not AMD's fault at all. They claimed the AMD CPU
will continue to run until it fries itself, while
the Intel CPU used Speedstepping to cool itself
down if needed.

The problem with the video was that the CPU *DID*
have an on core thermal diode... but Tom's
PURPOSELY used an Athlon based motherboard THAT
DID NOT SUPPORT IT. It was the fault of the
motherboard maker and Tom's unsurprisingly
selective choice of that motherboard... and that
was why the CPU fried itself. Hello? Has anyone
SEEN those CPU Shutdown Temp settings in the BIOS?
I turned those on in my test rig and COULD NOT
fry my AMD CPU.

So much for Tom's "in depth" reporting. The guy's
a total sell-out. (Which is obvious) But since he
did the worst possible thing in the reporting and
journalistic point of view: Changed the credits
on articles previously written by another writer
just to spite him. (Van Smith over at Van's
Hardware.) Bad. I have absolutely no respect or
trust for Tom's anymore and never will because
of these two incidents... and there have been a
few more. I'm sure other /. posters will
eventually point them all out.

Fuck it, I'll link the examples myself.

Link One - Kyle from HardOCP's
comment about Tom's misleading video.
Found in the Ace's Hardware Forums.

Link Two - Post taken from AMDZone
posted on Ace's Hardware Forums about Tom's
Hardware modifying Van's articles to credit a
different author. Forum responses results in
some additional info. Read through the threads.

Re:Tom's is a fraud.

[florin]

While it's certainly true that Tom's website has been overtaken by other more in-depth websites when it comes to authoritative reporting, your claim that Tom deliberately engineered the test to make the Athlon look bad is in fact completely baseless.

There was a very valid point to that test and that is that the AMD Athlon XP and MP CPUs rely on the motherboard to step in and prevent CPU damage in case of overheat, whereas modern Intel chips protect themselves. It just so happens that at the time of the test there was exactly one motherboard actually available for purchase that had the AMD thermal protection circuitry installed, and that was the exact Siemens board used in Tom's test. I know, because at the time I was *waiting* to be able to buy a board with said support. And what this test showed is that A) thermal protection didn't actually work reliably at the time and B) *all* other boards available would've burned up the MP as well. Just like the Thunderbird did in any case.

As for the Van Smith incident, I'm not sure what happened there, but I could understand why THG would want to distance themselves after discovering what a complete and utter nutcase they had on board.

Hola

[FiendBeast]

Buenas Noches,

Soy estudiante Ingles (Frances e Historia a la universidad de Warwick) y quiero entender el punto de vista oficial de la republica Cuba sobre su existencia y su tratamiento por el mundo occidental, especialmente por los estados unidos. He aprehendido el Espanol por algunos anos pero no suficientes para entenderlo totalmente. Existe un sitio Internet para que los extranjeros que no hablan el espanol puedan estudiar para que exista el estado cubano actual?

Re:Hola

[Anonymous Coward]

Hola. Aparte de ser un "Fuera de Tema" (Off Topic) del tama~o de un petrolero ;) ya que estudias espa~ol (castellano), te aclaro que:

1.- Se estudia en la universidad, no a la universidad.
2.- El idioma se aprende, los delincuentes se aprehenden. Y el idioma se aprende durante a~os, y no por a~os.
3.- "estudiar para que exista el estado cubano actual". El motivo de que una nacion exista es siempre el mismo: la autodeterminacion y defensa de su idiosincrasia contra posibles ataques de naciones enemigas (en el caso cubano, son ataques flagrantes).

Para buscar informacion en ingles sobre Cuba, busca en Google. Si el gobierno de GWBush te lo permite...

Saludos desde Espa~a

PD/ De todas las formas, tu conocimiento del idioma espa~ol es muy bueno, felicidades ;))

Re:Hola

[Anonymous Coward]

You know it's getting bad when the Slashdot Grammar Police start going after the Spanish-speaking people.

Who the fuck modded this shit funny

[Anonymous Coward]

:gb2fyad:

My Name is 'Tom'

[Anonymous Coward]

and I've learned far more from my failures than my successes.

Looking for a Hardware review site...

[OneArmedMan]

..... that is funny, informative and written by someone that acutaually knows what they are talking about without all the bullshit that you usually get. try DansData.com

well just thinking, Dan tends to review more generic stuff than most guys, but he does have a sense of humour, and is very straight foward with what he thinks of things.

Re:Looking for a Hardware review site...

[dj245]

In democratic Austrailia, the products advertise themselves!

Err, no, it's not slashdotted.

[Anonymous Coward]

It's set up to send you the "I am slashdotted" page if the HTTP REFERER is slashdot.

Trial by fire

[macdaddy]

LOL! Now this is funny.

Saturday Jan 3

TomsNetworking will return as soon as our slashdot initiation is finished..

Trial by fire I guess. :-)

Site is up, but /.ers turned away

[SYFer]

I guess he just doesn't want us crashing the party.

If you go to the main Tom's Hardware site (first link in blurb above) and scroll down to the announcement of the new networking site, you'll see that the link works fine from there.

And Here Is What You See When You Go There

[Master of Transhuman]

TomsNetworking will return as soon as our slashdot initiation is finished...

Re:And Here Is What You See When You Go There

[alib001]

The site is up but not accessible if you're following the link from /. Drop the "_slashdot" from the address of the page you're being redirected to to see the site.

Couldn't take the heat....

[sp00]

Saturday Jan 3 TomsNetworking will return as soon as our slashdot initiation is finished... apparently he doesn't like /. and the /. crowd doesn't like him either.

Another web site brought to it knees!

[Zathras11]

Oops, we did it again...

http://tomsnetworking.com

leads to

http://tomsnetworking.com/index_slashdot.php

"Saturday Jan 3

TomsNetworking will return as soon as our
slashdot initiation is finished..." ;^)

Re:I'll say it....... (Flash ads love you)

[starvo]

Oh, you won't install flash!
YOU REBEL! Sock it to em in the gnu/linux way. or whatever bizarre rationale that you're applying that won't let you install flash.

Geez. It's a flash ad. Either ignore it like 99% of the population does or configure your Proxomitron/Squid/Etc to strip the dern things out of the websites. Having a flash ad doesn't mean that they have sold their soul and abandoned all of their journalistic integrity.

Quit being so damn elitist.

Comicbook store guy says...

[gklinger]

Shortest story ever.

A little too much Toms on Slashdot

[Anonymous Coward]

When did Slashdot become Tom's bitch? I mean really, there are plenty of better reviews out there that I'm sure get submitted, but it always seems to be Tom's advertising and bias-laced articles that get linked. Despite everyone bitching about how much Toms sucks in the comments, his crap still gets posted. WTF?

for thoes that didnt realize

[ResQuad]

for thoes that didnt realize, that "comming soon" page is for /. refer only.

It still works...

[Mattwolf7]

Tom's Hardware only put up an anti-slash page. Go to Tom's Hardware Click on the news article about networking or even open in a new window and it works.

With that out of the way, honestly how much networking stuff is there to cover? I seriously doubt they needed to get a new domain for this. All they can review are routers, hubs, switches, WAP, and network cards, nothing nearly as interesting as mobos, processors, or video cards.

Finally!

[Jukashi]

A site dedicated to the daily news in the fast-moving world of networking - because being able to count major networking standards with your fingers just isnt enough.

From the web-site

[surfcow]

>TomsNetworking will return as soon as our
>slashdot initiation is finished...

Initiation. Nice word that.

save me from /.

[Anonymous Coward]

This is a dead thread, but did anyone realise tomsnetworking is redirecting traffic from /. based on the http header.
Intresting way to handle /. trafic
here is the link http://tomsnetworking.com/index_slashdot.php

The site is not actually down

[FearUncertaintyDoubt]

I have noticed this with more than a few sites. They apparently check the referrer, and if it's slashdot, then you get their "we're slashdotted" page. But if you paste the url into the browser so you don't have the referrer link, you see the page properly. I think a lot of sites have realized that they need to defend against the hordes who will only look at their site once because it is on slashdot while keeping it accessible to other visitors.

Try pasting the url http://www.tomsnetworking.com/index.php into your browser and you'll see the site just fine.

Site will return...

[Loki_1929]

Site will return as soon as our advertisers tell us which products are going to win our first round of reviews.

Toms Hardware Reviews Suck?

[lithiumfox]

Many people have said this before and will continue to say it many times again. Once again, you must realize that it is a review, and it might have a slanted view that might be diffrent from your own, hence the opinion. Reading a review and then making your own judgments on a product is so much more educational then just ranting about the guy not knowing what he is talking about [even though he might not].

Re: "Dr" Tom Pabst

[Anonymous Coward]

Is an sell out weener bastard. I don't care if he is a doctor. His reviews suck and reek of uselessness.

if you want to see it, go to

[xtturbo]

if you want to see it, go to www.smallnetbuilder.com

Not quite true

[UPAAntilles]

I've had 2 AMD processors "melt" on me (not me personally, but on computers I built for people) over the past 3 years...the heatsinks just fell off when the owners moved the computers. The Athlon heatsink retention sucks, I might consider recommending Athlon 64s, but only if the problems (including heat) have been fixed. Since then, I'm Intel all the way, their processors may be a bit more expensive, but I only have to buy one!

Re:Not quite true

[Afrosheen]

From what I've seen about the 64's, they run alot cooler with 1.5v core voltages. They may indeed run cooler than the nuclear furnaces that the XP chips currently double as.

Re:Not quite true

[Anarke_Incarnate]

my "nuclear furnace" of an XP1700+, using a $7 speeze heatsink is running a cozy 100F at the moment while overclocked to 2400+ (1.99GHz)

Re:Not quite true

[Afrosheen]

That must be magical. I know you probably thought I was some kind of Intel fanboy but I have a pair of xp2100's over here, and when they're under full load, you can probably defrost a frozen pizza behind the case in minutes. These chips run hot, no doubt about it.

Re:Not quite true

[Anarke_Incarnate]

I happened to get a Tbred 1700+. It ran 94F when I was at stock. 1.69v made me get 1.99Ghz easily and 180x2 FSB

Tom copyrighted PostNuke Code?

[Anonymous Coward]

WTF? Tom's hardware now owns PostNuke too?

Copyright of all documents and scripts belonging to this site by Tom's Guides Publishing LLC 1996 - 2003. Most of the information contained on this site is copyrighted material. It is illegal to copy or redistribute this information in any way without the expressed written consent of Tom's Guides Publishing. This site is NOT responsible for any damage that the information on this site may cause to your system.

Of course his metatags indicate its PN 0.7.1:

<meta name="generator" content="PostNuke 0.7.1 - http://postnuke.com" />

WTF? I realise its probably an oversight, but c'mon! They meticulously(sp?) replaced the name everywhere else on the site, but forgot to change the adjust the copyright?

Give credit where credit is due!

...and no, i didn't get his permission to repost his disclaimer. I do however release all claims to the information contained within this post and acknowledge that it is wholly owned by "Tom's Guides Publishing LLC".

Re:I'll say it....... (Flash ads love you)

[bangular]

Flash player on linux is binary only. Last time I checked (which was pretty recently) it was compiled against gcc 2.x. On top of that, it _wasn't_ compiled against 2.95.3 which is the most stable gcc 2.x out. So to install it one must symlink the gcc 2.95.3 libs to the ones flash was compiled against. That's assuming you have gcc 2.x and not a 3.x series gcc on your system (then you've got to install gcc 2.x in a non conflicting location, probably /opt/gcc). That's an awful lot of work to install something that I have no use for.

logo

[gounthar]

one thing that doesn't change from site to site is that their logo still sucks!!
Ahh! German taste!

Why is stopped believeing in tomshardware.com

[Anonymous Coward]

and the monkeys that he hired. This is from an extensive explainnation on how a CRT screen works:

"Most artists will notice that red, green and blue aren't the primary colors (red, yellow and blue are). This is another phosphor-related issue, and the simple explanation is that when color TV was first introduced, the engineers simply couldn't get yellow phosphors - so, they had to work out a system using red, green and blue dots, instead"

Obviously it got removed with in hours.

site ancestry

[darket]

Tom's Networking was formerly know as "Small Net Builder". It is run by Tim Higgins and could be reached via http://www.timhiggins.com (which now redirects to the new site).
Actually, the site was quite good, the reviews where fair and interesting, testing mostly WLAN-equipment in an in-depth way that rivals for example the german magazine c't.
I hope that the site isn't influenced too much by the THG-company-ethics (if you can call it that ...)

Re:I'll say it....... (Flash ads love you)

[gnu-generation-one]

"Quit being so damn elitist"

What's elitist? I'm not going to read a website with high-colour animations, because I physically can't read things with Flash animations next to them. My brain can't concentrate on reading text when there's an animated hammer, or swirly crap, or strobing blue and red trying to grab my attention.

If a website has Flash on it, I won't read it, nor reccommend it, nor ever come back to it. That's not elitist, that's just something the website owners need to know when they wonder why people follow a link to their site, and then not read the article or any of the rest of the website.

THG?

[fishbowl]

Did anyone else see THG and think "The Humble Guys?"

Man I miss those days.