"Any IE users that switch are likely to change to Firefox, since there's so many existing users and comes across as a commercial product (read: clean website, clean interface, etc). Any IE users that were unlikely to switch to Firefox are unlikely to switch to K-Meleon. The only people I see using this are the Slashdot crowd."
I'm looking at K-Meleon version 0.8.2+ and here's the top line menu:
[File] [Edit] [View] [Go] [Bookmarks] [Favorites] [Hotlist] [Groups] and [Help]
Clicking on Favorites offers Internet Explorer bookmarks in their native format, and clicking on Edit under Favorites presents an Explorer window on C:\Windows\Favorites. Pretty good. Clicking on Hotlist offers the Opera bookmarks in their native format, and they too can be edited.
So why's that such a big deal? Because one of the main impediments for anyone in changing browsers from Opera or IE is their Favorites/Hotlists.
"*If* there were anything living on Mars in the first place, it would die long before we ever knew it got here."
That's a rather breathtaking generalization, even for Slashdot.
We're talking about a whole planet here with nearly as varied conditions for life as on Terra. Here is a mid-level overview of Mars Seasons, Weather, Exploration, Life. A cursory look at Atmospheric Temperature, Seasons and Pressures, reveals that Mars is remarkably similar to our own planet. If recent research has proved anything about life, it seems to be that given any kind of opportunity at all, life will flourish.
There is a small possibility that some of Mars' mantle may already have splashed onto our own planet. Can you say with any certainty that Martian microbes aren't already here?
"We, like the rest of the West, value freedom of expression. Turkey doesn't. So Turkey doesn't belong in the EU. "
Well, that sort of depends... do you want to create enemies or allies? It's probably better to follow the politics of engagement and exercise positive influence over Turkish society from within the EU rather than to simply throw stones and cast aspersions at them.
Earlier in this discussion Chinese students were quoted as saying that "yes indeed" the US should grant the perpetrators of the Tien an Min Square massacre most favoured nation status. Simply put, it's easy to live with enemies - no options, no problems. Creating friends and living with them is more difficult - many options, many problems.
Bad form to reply to one's own posting, but if you would like to put a spoke in the Turkish government's wheel and you know something of Kurdish affairs - why not
"I believe that organizations like DMOZ should have the ability to quickly react, perhaps in protest, to situations like this one."
They do have the ability and they did react quickly, however to no avail apparently. There was great discussion inside DMOZ about this situation and editors made many suggestions, but in the end it comes down to this: the Open Directory Project's aim is to disseminate information, not to use that information for specific purposes. Initially IIRC, the category was sequestered while possible options were examined, but in the end, to paraphrase some slash-dotter, information wants to be free.
The Turkish government may be malign, but they aren't stupid and they understood that Ertas' collection of data did have an effect. In some ways, editors function like good journalists; they don't create news, but they find it and highlight it in categories which they create and place in the larger structure of the Directory. This makes the data accessible to more people who don't have to search the whole 'net for it. Creating a category makes a statement if you think about it. It says that the information in this category is worthy of consideration because somebody has organized the data in a way which emphasizes its significance in ways which the viewer may not have imagined were it not for the efforts of the editor.
Editors are encouraged in their efforts to make novel and interesting collections of web sites and to lodge them within the greater structure of the Directory. It's one of the things that makes the Open Directory Project great and hugely useful.
It's really not much of a quibble on my part, just that I prefer to fragment browsing and mail functions. The Debian software repository has recent copies of nearly everything anyway and it was dead simple to install what I wanted.
It says on Slashdot that in the US, only twenty percent of internet users have broadband hookups, meaning that eighty percent of potential clients for any Linux distro will be using slow dial-ups. I'd imagine that with a few notable exceptions, it's the same or worse on the rest of the planet. This is not generally reflected in support efforts nor in the focus of reviewers, all of whom seem to access the internet through a network connection.
In my opinion, Warren has already done a remarkable job of creating a usable Linux distribution. When the manager of such a project is examining goals, it would seem necessary to find properties, qualities and a philosophy that differentiates their effort from the rest of the distros out there. One focus might be initial installation and communication with the user.......
Some software, such as FreeSBIE, LiveBSD and Windows, choose to hide details behind a splash screen. This tends to comfort new users so long as nothing goes wrong. Others just spew a running commentary of the process to video, which can raise feelings of vague disquiet to utter panic, depending on the user's experience. The developer needs to clarify purposes a bit, such as "what is my purpose in putting these messages on the screen?" If the purpose is to communicate useful information to the user, have I given the user a chance to read the message?
At the end of the installation, the installation software needs to take stock of success. Does the user have a functioning mouse? How is their keyboard responding? Do they have access to the internet? If no NIC was found, do they have a modem? If they are accessing the internet with a modem, has an internet dialer been provided? Can the user speak the language (Farsi, Greek or English)? In most cases, it is at this point that the installation software falls on its face. It displays no intelligence, nor does it communicate with the user other than offering a tip of the day or somesuch. Many supposedly 'friendly' distributions miss this boat - Mandrake, Suse, Gnoppix, Ubuntu.
Mepis hit a nice balance. It provided needful information and presented me with a usable system once installation was over. Still, I think the Mepis folks could focus on two areas - improve the installer from nice to superb, and adjust the user menus so that system configuration all happens from one place.
Mepis has my vote too. A Debian based distro and perfectly set up to install on the hard drive. I have only one quibble - I'd have preferred Firefox and Thunderbird rather than Mozilla and Mozilla Mail. Other than that, it's great.
Recognized my sound card and modem
Setup nicely with KPPP as a dialer
Apt and Synaptic worked flawlessly
Very nice installation with none of those useless flash-past-your-eyes messages about errors or problems (Ubuntu take note)
As an aside, any distro that does this should present the user with a list of installation problems and e-mails to be sent to developers and put it on the desktop where they will see it immediately on initial login.
It's a snappy performer on my old box - AMD K6-2 at 300 mhz, with 256 megs of ram and an elderly Tekram motherboard.
I'm interested in the characteristics of organs that might be transplanted from chimeric donors to humans. Suppose for instance that a kidney was gown in a pig using your stem cells. Leaving aside questions or morality or danger because of viruses, how long would the kidney live?
Would the telomeres in the kidney have the same length and offer the same life span as a purely human kidney - or would they tend to die at the same approximate time as a pig's life span?
"The best part is, most of them don't know the difference."
Bullshit!!! The possibility that someone competent enough to operate a computer is so stupid or oblivious they don't notice the difference between FireFox and IE is remote indeed. Maybe you've exaggerated just a little bit hmmmmmm???
Everytime I've made the switch I've had to do fairly in-depth explanations, particularly because of the loss of their Favorites to Bookmarks, the difference in their format and capabilities, tabbed browsing and extensions. The biggest change for any browser programmer to obtain from prospective clients is in Bookmarks, as folks usually have a lot invested in their bookmarks. I've often thought that FireFox should have handled IE Favorites the way K-Meleon did, which is to deal with them natively.
Changing browsers is not painless. Changing e-mail programs is even more fraught with hair pulling and tears. Whenever possible I convert folks to Mozilla-mail, Thunderbird or, if they're particularly clueful, Pegasus. I never make changes to someone's computer without telling them. Anyone who would do such a thing is an arrogant little shit who should be hunted down by legions of irate computer users.
I wonder how many Europeans cringe when they hear your over simplified clap-trap?
"The first measuer of giving tax refunds on people who build heat saving measures into their homes already probably would be enough to fulfill Kyoto".
Piffle!The USA is not a pudding fer gawds sake, it is tall from North to South and broad from East to West. It encompasses climates from the bitter cold of arctic Alaska to tropical steam in Florida and from desert in California to the eden that is the Ohio river valley. It extends from the depths of Death Valley to the heights of Mount McKinley. In all of these regions and climates, Americans have built houses that make sense. The high thermal mass pueblo construction that serves so well in southern Arizona would freeze the balls off a Minnesotan.
You really should get out more and visit the Europe you prattle about. Take a little hike from Palermo to Stavanger and explain how the same heat retaining house will serve both places. Many of us have visited Europe and we know damn well that most of the housing is not modern and in those areas where it makes sense could use a little insulation.
Furthermore, when we Canadians were considering Kyoto and examining its failings and advantages, it was pointed out to us that many US states were already doing a better job of living up to the treaty's provisions than we were. They still are.
You're right the review sucks. For instance, under the heading 'Installation', it says,
"At the end of the installation, we were asked if we wanted to use APT (Advanced Packaging Tool) to update our system. We said yes and our system was updated over the Internet before we even booted into our Gnome desktop."
This totally glosses over the connection to the internet. Was it by broadband, satellite link or modem? Did the installer correctly identify the modem if there was one and did it create a connection to the user's ISP?
Mandrake 10 installation fails utterly in this task, particularly if the user has the misfortune to be in North America.
"a Florida voter's voting influence is orders of magnitude higher than mine."
With the disastrous run of hurricanes striking Florida lately, that influence may wane. It's getting expensive and dangerous to vote in that state. Let's hope for a little relief.
I can see that, but then they are a bit messy in lots of places, aren't they? If using the local exchange won't help (it should, if you live in Windsor you probably want to research a business in your own local exchange), then Postal Codes can help.
Experiment.
In cases where you need a bit more specificity, use the area code - so for instance if you need a listing of small engine repair shops in Windsor, On Canada and Detroit keeps getting in the way, you could ask for 'small engine repair' + (519) where 'windsor, on'
For even more specificity, use area code plus local exchange number..
"Perhaps they would integrate a Gmail mail client."
Whoops, too late, Firefox has an extension for that too.
"Adds a context menu link for opening a GMail compose window when clicking on mailto: links and text email addresses. Based on G-Mailto specs."
Thanks for the link, but exercise more care in spelling and grammar in a story about language, lest someone such as I pounces on the mistakes.
imparticular - in particular
The fact (...) do suggest - does suggest.
True.
Thunderously true, but unfortunately not restricted to psychologists, is it? Only the High Priest speaks Latin, so only he can speak to god, and we'd all better listen.
Concerning the lack of progress - well perhaps. I've noticed the proliferation of 'grief counselors' descending on every scene of traumatic death like ambulance chasing crows - especially schools. Grump.
Who modded this insightful? Sheesh!
There's a shortage of nurses. The hospital must select a rate of pay that will attract staff nurses to take undesireable shifts. Don't you imagine they will have to pay more than the standard hourly wage as an incentive?
If there were too many nurses and not enough shifts, then the wage would go down - get it?
Slashdot Mirror
[File] [Edit] [View] [Go] [Bookmarks] [Favorites] [Hotlist] [Groups] and [Help]
Clicking on Favorites offers Internet Explorer bookmarks in their native format, and clicking on Edit under Favorites presents an Explorer window on C:\Windows\Favorites. Pretty good. Clicking on Hotlist offers the Opera bookmarks in their native format, and they too can be edited.
So why's that such a big deal? Because one of the main impediments for anyone in changing browsers from Opera or IE is their Favorites/Hotlists.
It was The Nightly Business Report and the journalist was Susie Gharib, interviewing Devinda Subasingha, Sri Lanka's Ambassador to the United States.
Here is the link. Actually, while it was pretty tasteless, it wasn't quite that bad. But still, crotchless panties....
We're talking about a whole planet here with nearly as varied conditions for life as on Terra. Here is a mid-level overview of Mars Seasons, Weather, Exploration, Life. A cursory look at Atmospheric Temperature, Seasons and Pressures, reveals that Mars is remarkably similar to our own planet. If recent research has proved anything about life, it seems to be that given any kind of opportunity at all, life will flourish.
There is a small possibility that some of Mars' mantle may already have splashed onto our own planet. Can you say with any certainty that Martian microbes aren't already here?
Earlier in this discussion Chinese students were quoted as saying that "yes indeed" the US should grant the perpetrators of the Tien an Min Square massacre most favoured nation status. Simply put, it's easy to live with enemies - no options, no problems. Creating friends and living with them is more difficult - many options, many problems.
Bad form to reply to one's own posting, but if you would like to put a spoke in the Turkish government's wheel and you know something of Kurdish affairs - why not
Volunteer
to edit one of these categories and make damn sure the information remains free, even if Ertas is not?
They do have the ability and they did react quickly, however to no avail apparently. There was great discussion inside DMOZ about this situation and editors made many suggestions, but in the end it comes down to this: the Open Directory Project's aim is to disseminate information, not to use that information for specific purposes. Initially IIRC, the category was sequestered while possible options were examined, but in the end, to paraphrase some slash-dotter, information wants to be free.
The Turkish government may be malign, but they aren't stupid and they understood that Ertas' collection of data did have an effect. In some ways, editors function like good journalists; they don't create news, but they find it and highlight it in categories which they create and place in the larger structure of the Directory. This makes the data accessible to more people who don't have to search the whole 'net for it. Creating a category makes a statement if you think about it. It says that the information in this category is worthy of consideration because somebody has organized the data in a way which emphasizes its significance in ways which the viewer may not have imagined were it not for the efforts of the editor.
Editors are encouraged in their efforts to make novel and interesting collections of web sites and to lodge them within the greater structure of the Directory. It's one of the things that makes the Open Directory Project great and hugely useful.
For more information on this subject, go to the Open Directory and type kurds into the search box. Failing that, here are some relevant DMOZ categories: Ethnicity Kurdish, History, Kurdistan or Kurdish Human Rights. See also this category Descriptiont
It's really not much of a quibble on my part, just that I prefer to fragment browsing and mail functions. The Debian software repository has recent copies of nearly everything anyway and it was dead simple to install what I wanted.
It says on Slashdot that in the US, only twenty percent of internet users have broadband hookups, meaning that eighty percent of potential clients for any Linux distro will be using slow dial-ups. I'd imagine that with a few notable exceptions, it's the same or worse on the rest of the planet. This is not generally reflected in support efforts nor in the focus of reviewers, all of whom seem to access the internet through a network connection.
In my opinion, Warren has already done a remarkable job of creating a usable Linux distribution. When the manager of such a project is examining goals, it would seem necessary to find properties, qualities and a philosophy that differentiates their effort from the rest of the distros out there. One focus might be initial installation and communication with the user.......
Some software, such as FreeSBIE, LiveBSD and Windows, choose to hide details behind a splash screen. This tends to comfort new users so long as nothing goes wrong. Others just spew a running commentary of the process to video, which can raise feelings of vague disquiet to utter panic, depending on the user's experience. The developer needs to clarify purposes a bit, such as "what is my purpose in putting these messages on the screen?" If the purpose is to communicate useful information to the user, have I given the user a chance to read the message?
At the end of the installation, the installation software needs to take stock of success. Does the user have a functioning mouse? How is their keyboard responding? Do they have access to the internet? If no NIC was found, do they have a modem? If they are accessing the internet with a modem, has an internet dialer been provided? Can the user speak the language (Farsi, Greek or English)? In most cases, it is at this point that the installation software falls on its face. It displays no intelligence, nor does it communicate with the user other than offering a tip of the day or somesuch. Many supposedly 'friendly' distributions miss this boat - Mandrake, Suse, Gnoppix, Ubuntu.
Mepis hit a nice balance. It provided needful information and presented me with a usable system once installation was over. Still, I think the Mepis folks could focus on two areas - improve the installer from nice to superb, and adjust the user menus so that system configuration all happens from one place.
Mepis has my vote too. A Debian based distro and perfectly set up to install on the hard drive. I have only one quibble - I'd have preferred Firefox and Thunderbird rather than Mozilla and Mozilla Mail. Other than that, it's great.
Recognized my sound card and modem
Setup nicely with KPPP as a dialer
Apt and Synaptic worked flawlessly
Very nice installation with none of those useless flash-past-your-eyes messages about errors or problems (Ubuntu take note)
As an aside, any distro that does this should present the user with a list of installation problems and e-mails to be sent to developers and put it on the desktop where they will see it immediately on initial login.
It's a snappy performer on my old box - AMD K6-2 at 300 mhz, with 256 megs of ram and an elderly Tekram motherboard.
I'm interested in the characteristics of organs that might be transplanted from chimeric donors to humans. Suppose for instance that a kidney was gown in a pig using your stem cells. Leaving aside questions or morality or danger because of viruses, how long would the kidney live?
Would the telomeres in the kidney have the same length and offer the same life span as a purely human kidney - or would they tend to die at the same approximate time as a pig's life span?
Everytime I've made the switch I've had to do fairly in-depth explanations, particularly because of the loss of their Favorites to Bookmarks, the difference in their format and capabilities, tabbed browsing and extensions. The biggest change for any browser programmer to obtain from prospective clients is in Bookmarks, as folks usually have a lot invested in their bookmarks. I've often thought that FireFox should have handled IE Favorites the way K-Meleon did, which is to deal with them natively.
Changing browsers is not painless. Changing e-mail programs is even more fraught with hair pulling and tears. Whenever possible I convert folks to Mozilla-mail, Thunderbird or, if they're particularly clueful, Pegasus. I never make changes to someone's computer without telling them. Anyone who would do such a thing is an arrogant little shit who should be hunted down by legions of irate computer users.
I's elk, not ilk. What the mounties ride.
I don't, but I've noticed in Ubuntu and Mandrake, it doesn't happen when using Firefox. It does happen when I'm using Windows 98SE. YMMV
Mod parent up. This is the Voice of Reason.
Piffle!The USA is not a pudding fer gawds sake, it is tall from North to South and broad from East to West. It encompasses climates from the bitter cold of arctic Alaska to tropical steam in Florida and from desert in California to the eden that is the Ohio river valley. It extends from the depths of Death Valley to the heights of Mount McKinley. In all of these regions and climates, Americans have built houses that make sense. The high thermal mass pueblo construction that serves so well in southern Arizona would freeze the balls off a Minnesotan.
You really should get out more and visit the Europe you prattle about. Take a little hike from Palermo to Stavanger and explain how the same heat retaining house will serve both places. Many of us have visited Europe and we know damn well that most of the housing is not modern and in those areas where it makes sense could use a little insulation.
Furthermore, when we Canadians were considering Kyoto and examining its failings and advantages, it was pointed out to us that many US states were already doing a better job of living up to the treaty's provisions than we were. They still are.
You're right the review sucks. For instance, under the heading 'Installation', it says,
"At the end of the installation, we were asked if we wanted to use APT (Advanced Packaging Tool) to update our system. We said yes and our system was updated over the Internet before we even booted into our Gnome desktop."
This totally glosses over the connection to the internet. Was it by broadband, satellite link or modem? Did the installer correctly identify the modem if there was one and did it create a connection to the user's ISP?
Mandrake 10 installation fails utterly in this task, particularly if the user has the misfortune to be in North America.
I can see that, but then they are a bit messy in lots of places, aren't they? If using the local exchange won't help (it should, if you live in Windsor you probably want to research a business in your own local exchange), then Postal Codes can help.
Experiment.
In cases where you need a bit more specificity, use the area code - so for instance if you need a listing of small engine repair shops in Windsor, On Canada and Detroit keeps getting in the way, you could ask for 'small engine repair' + (519) where 'windsor, on'
For even more specificity, use area code plus local exchange number..
"Adds a context menu link for opening a GMail compose window when clicking on mailto: links and text email addresses. Based on G-Mailto specs."
Depends on the point of view I suppose. The carrion bird thought Greeks chained to rocks made nice snacks, while Prometheus......
Thanks for the link, but exercise more care in spelling and grammar in a story about language, lest someone such as I pounces on the mistakes.
imparticular - in particular
The fact (...) do suggest - does suggest.
True.
Thunderously true, but unfortunately not restricted to psychologists, is it? Only the High Priest speaks Latin, so only he can speak to god, and we'd all better listen.
Concerning the lack of progress - well perhaps. I've noticed the proliferation of 'grief counselors' descending on every scene of traumatic death like ambulance chasing crows - especially schools. Grump.
One time I wish I had mod points. Very informative comment and thanks for the pointer to Steven Pinkers.
Slashdot - three intelligent and germane comments out of 15. Signal-to-noise ration 1/5.
Who modded this insightful? Sheesh! There's a shortage of nurses. The hospital must select a rate of pay that will attract staff nurses to take undesireable shifts. Don't you imagine they will have to pay more than the standard hourly wage as an incentive?
If there were too many nurses and not enough shifts, then the wage would go down - get it?