The bully's nature is a force of nature. It is a preprogrammed primal primate instinct.
So is mass murder; that doesn't mean society should tolerate it.
The tribe has a hierarchy and you had better learn your place and how to socially interact.
We are humans, not apes, and our social structure is different, as is our capacity to overcome our instincts.
They are still victims of their own primal nature they have yet to learn the importance of fitting in society.
A bully is not a victim, he's a perpetrator. And if someone commits violence against anybody else at any age, some kind of intervention needs to be made, including possibly locking them up. That's true for a five year old just like it is true for a 35 year old.
Really? So we lock them up in a school locker per chance, i.e. commiting violence and bullying for breaking social conventions. Uhm, where did we see that behaviour before?
We are a type of ape and our social constructs have a lot in common with other apes'. Those instincts can be replaced by reason, by a concerted effort through out a child's formative years. But, they are not completely gone, our society as a whole still mimics many of the patterns. The main difference is that among children the laws are unwritten, whereas they are written down among adults. The children's rules are simply instinctual, which makes it very hard for some children to conform, because they have not yet learned how to figure out those rules. Among adults we still have bullies that will take your lunch money if you break the rules, like doing 50mph in a 35mph zone.
The bully's nature is a force of nature. It is a preprogrammed primal primate instinct. The same behaviour is apparent in all apes. The tribe has a hierarchy and you had better learn your place and how to socially interact.
As people grow up we expect them to conform to the norms of society like
if he intentionally hurts someone else, the bully is responsible, nobody else
, if people don't do that we bully them. For example by locking them in prison. There is a reason why we don't punish children in the penal system. They are still victims of their own primal nature they have yet to learn the importance of fitting in society.
I went through school without bullying by being a warthog in a chimp flock. I made it perfectly clear that I was an outsider, but one that was completely outside the hierarchy, after that there was no more name calling, shoving, stealing and it required absolutely no violence.
Perfectly fine? I admit I am from Scandinavia so I did not grow up with the US/UK puritanical religious view that people looking at your naked body are stealing your soul. I see nude birds, cats, and dogs all the time. Who cares about just another primate?
You present a non sequitur. First of all, that's not what I said. Only around 3% of the general population have anti social personality disorder. Secondly I made no comparison to other countries. However Up to 80% of prison populations have this disorder (the cited article says 75%, in med school I learned 80%). This is logical since the people who commit the crimes are more likely to be caught and sent to prison, so you will end up with a concentrating effect of the disorder in the prison population. No one said "American", and I don't have comparative data for other countries around the world. However it would be reasonable to assume that there's nothing special about "Americans" in particular, and similar statistics must exist in other countries.
Let me clarify what I meant. The U.S. has an incarceration rate of ~7.5 person per thousand, my country has ~0.5 person per thousand. The murder rate in the US is 0.043 pr 1000 and in my country 0.011 pr 1000. Rape is 0.30 per thousand in the US compared to 0.09 pr thousand in my country.
So unless you believe the percentage of people with antisocial personality disorders(let's call it ASPD) is more than a factor 10 larger in the US than here, ASPD cannot be an overshadowing reason for crime. It is just as likely that putting people in prison gives them ASPDs, and that is why you get an 80% number.
And even though your incarceration rate is though the roof, you still have a much higher crime rate for violent crimes. My point is that while personally satisfying our revenge instinct is pleasant, it is not in general society's interest. It is cheaper rehabilitating people and making them a productive part of society than punishing them. Plus, punishment seems to have very little effect on recidivism.
It must be societies first interest to reduce violent crime and stop repeat offenders, not satisfying the victims. The crime has been committed and it can never be undone, but our goal must be to try to prevent it in the future.
Obviously you will never get mass transit and bike infrastructure comparable to e.g. Scandinavian standards all over the US. It will never be economically feasible to do in places like Nebraska or the Dakotas. But, it is all the metropolitan areas, like New York has started doing with bike paths.
It is a question of priorities. Only 3000 people were killed in the 9/11 attacks, yet you have spent close to 1'000'000'000'000 dollars fighting a rather pointless war in Iraq. If that amount of money had been used on infrastructure or health-care reform a lot more lives could have been saved.
What I find really odd as a foreigner is the strong emphasis put on being a devout Christian by Americans. Yet at the same time espousing values that are diametrically opposite to those championed by Jesus. And, it seems to be strongly correlated, so that the most bible-thumping southern states are also those most in favour of war and least in favour of a health-care reform.
Of course the people who wrote the human rights have no understanding that most of the people in prison have serious anti social personality disorders, probably can't be "rehabilitated", and probably don't qualify as "human" in the first place. But that's another story.
I doubt that is the case. Unless you believe that a very large percentage of Americans have personality disorders and don't qualify as humans. A much larger fraction than in other countries around the world.
Sure some are so far gone that they can never be rehabilitated, but I'd argue that most are not.
If you wanted to create a well-adjusted person would you lock your child up with a bunch of murderers, arsonists and rapists as the only humans to interact with? Having to live in fear of being beaten up or raped. With nothing to do but stare at a wall. Then why would you think it would be a good thing to inflict on adults?
The problem is that putting people in prison for rehabilitation is the worst plan since Abe Lincoln said to his wife: "I'm sick of sitting around the house, let's catch a play."
You have to remember to factor weight in. I commute daily by bike and my cruising speed is around 30 km/h, on a crap bike. But I probably weigh almost twice what Armstrong does (130 kg). So while my power output is comparable my real world performance obviously isn't.
Plus the sports i do are not based on endurance but explosiveness. I can probably create a peak of 2-3 horsepower, but can only sustain it for a very short period.
Ummm, because the french have actually been in a lot of wars (50 major european wars since 1500) and won 2/3 of all wars they've been in(since records began)?
Certainly, I started working on a paper about this while I was at CERN. It is my firm belief that if anyone touches the EU farm subsidies the laws of physics will immediately go on strike and block the E62.
Until you realize that "lifeboat" is a misnomer. You will only have a small amount of time before you run out of oxygen/food and while you slowly starve to death you'll have to listen to lawyers arguing a case. So "deathboat of extreme boredom" is a more accurate name.
A political statement. At the moment it is legal to be a prostitute and also legal to be a customer. It is not legal to be a pimp or madam however, a somewhat ineffective attempt at catching/punishing/curbing human trafficking.
The reason the prostitutes are so vocal is that there are strong forces working towards banning prostitution in Denmark. One of the biggest parties, the social democrats, decided to make illegal prostitution part of their political programme. Incidentaly the mayor of Copenhagen Ritt Bjerregaard is from this party.
It isn't. There is an old law on copytight that specifically gives the right to copy in some cases. Then there is a new law concerning DRM that follows the EU copyright directive. These two laws are in conflict. I'm just afraid that if this goes to court the EU-inspired law will take precedence.
Plus Denmark being in the scary 'socialist'/communist commune of scandinavia if we bankrupted a person for the rest of his life, the rest of us tax payers would just have to support him for the rest of his life. Making the procedure rather pointless.
Well, the problem is one of a clash between a danish law and an EU law. The danish law gives you an explicit right to make a backup copy. In the old days you were also allowed to copy a friends cd you had borrowed(He couldn't copy it and give you a copy since that would be distributing).
The EU passed it's own version of the DMCA and that means all the member countries have to create similar legislation. And, because Denmark is the teacher's pet when it comes to passing legislation we were one of the first countries to put it into effect.
I'm no legal expert, but I believe that the EU law will weigh more heavily if it goes to court. But, the danish national character being pragmatic, I guess the police is just going to dismiss the case, on the grounds of it being silly to to accuse yourself.
We can hope, however, that his stunt will get the attention of someone in parliament. They might be more willing to look into copyright issues after the success of the pirateparty in the EU election in sweden. It would just have been better if he had waited another ½ a year until we get close to election time.
I find your ideas intriguing and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
Maybe we should also create separate areas where the different races could sit in public transport, so we
don't risk the discomfort and mental anguish of not being able to express ourself freely.
Oh oh oh, and we could also create these camps where special races could be relocated to for the safety of primarily, of course, themselves and secondarily the nation.
London is quite a big place, If you go to Greenwich area the Science Museum.area is too far away.
Alright, it's a wee bit of walk, but certainly not impossible. I'll also admit to enjoy walking more than the average person.
Even attractions that are centrally located (lets say Westminster area and the South Bank area) are 5 minutes away by underground rather than 15 or 20 minutes walk in the horrid weather of Nov or Dec.
Horrid weather? In London? Are you by any chance a southern fairy?:-) In december I will recommend walking even more. Standing thronged together in a damp and warm environment during flu season is a remarkably bad idea.
Bring some really good walking shoes. Public transport in london is expensive and crowded. You'll get a lot more out of walking. But, you'll walk a lot.
The Tate Modern is worth a visit just for the building, doesn't matter whether you're into modern art.
The Natural History Museum next to The Science Museum is also worth a visit.
If you are into architecture I would recommend sir John Soane's museum.
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Um, you might want to check your history again. The longbow was the weapon that made plate body armor obsolete.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Longbows and full steel platemail developed around the same time ~1200's and stayed in fashion until about the 1600's, when the bows were being replaced by guns and plate mail fell out of favour. Note however that platemail
protecting the the torso was still popular for cavalry at the time of Frederick II and Napoleon.
So platemail lived 400 years together with longbows and outlived bows as an implement of war by another 200, making it very hard to argue that platemail was obsoleted by the longbow, unless you believe some of the most brilliant strategist and tacticians to ever live were also complete morons.
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The bully's nature is a force of nature. It is a preprogrammed primal primate instinct.
So is mass murder; that doesn't mean society should tolerate it.
The tribe has a hierarchy and you had better learn your place and how to socially interact.
We are humans, not apes, and our social structure is different, as is our capacity to overcome our instincts.
They are still victims of their own primal nature they have yet to learn the importance of fitting in society.
A bully is not a victim, he's a perpetrator. And if someone commits violence against anybody else at any age, some kind of intervention needs to be made, including possibly locking them up. That's true for a five year old just like it is true for a 35 year old.
Really? So we lock them up in a school locker per chance, i.e. commiting violence and bullying for breaking social conventions. Uhm, where did we see that behaviour before?
We are a type of ape and our social constructs have a lot in common with other apes'. Those instincts can be replaced by reason, by a concerted effort through out a child's formative years. But, they are not completely gone, our society as a whole still mimics many of the patterns. The main difference is that among children the laws are unwritten, whereas they are written down among adults. The children's rules are simply instinctual, which makes it very hard for some children to conform, because they have not yet learned how to figure out those rules. Among adults we still have bullies that will take your lunch money if you break the rules, like doing 50mph in a 35mph zone.
The bully's nature is a force of nature. It is a preprogrammed primal primate instinct. The same behaviour is apparent in all apes. The tribe has a hierarchy and you had better learn your place and how to socially interact.
As people grow up we expect them to conform to the norms of society like
if he intentionally hurts someone else, the bully is responsible, nobody else
, if people don't do that we bully them. For example by locking them in prison. There is a reason why we don't punish children in the penal system. They are still victims of their own primal nature they have yet to learn the importance of fitting in society.
I went through school without bullying by being a warthog in a chimp flock. I made it perfectly clear that I was an outsider, but one that was completely outside the hierarchy, after that there was no more name calling, shoving, stealing and it required absolutely no violence.
Perfectly fine? I admit I am from Scandinavia so I did not grow up with the US/UK puritanical religious view that people looking at your naked body are stealing your soul. I see nude birds, cats, and dogs all the time. Who cares about just another primate?
The problem is the use of the word 'absorb'.
You aren't going to absorb it in any useful amount, you have to spread it. The energy HAS to go somewhere.
Yes, but then it's a lucky coincidence that all forms of energy are very happy about being transformed into heat.
You present a non sequitur. First of all, that's not what I said. Only around 3% of the general population have anti social personality disorder. Secondly I made no comparison to other countries. However Up to 80% of prison populations have this disorder (the cited article says 75%, in med school I learned 80%). This is logical since the people who commit the crimes are more likely to be caught and sent to prison, so you will end up with a concentrating effect of the disorder in the prison population. No one said "American", and I don't have comparative data for other countries around the world. However it would be reasonable to assume that there's nothing special about "Americans" in particular, and similar statistics must exist in other countries.
Let me clarify what I meant. The U.S. has an incarceration rate of ~7.5 person per thousand, my country has ~0.5 person per thousand. The murder rate in the US is 0.043 pr 1000 and in my country 0.011 pr 1000. Rape is 0.30 per thousand in the US compared to 0.09 pr thousand in my country.
So unless you believe the percentage of people with antisocial personality disorders(let's call it ASPD) is more than a factor 10 larger in the US than here, ASPD cannot be an overshadowing reason for crime. It is just as likely that putting people in prison gives them ASPDs, and that is why you get an 80% number.
And even though your incarceration rate is though the roof, you still have a much higher crime rate for violent crimes. My point is that while personally satisfying our revenge instinct is pleasant, it is not in general society's interest. It is cheaper rehabilitating people and making them a productive part of society than punishing them. Plus, punishment seems to have very little effect on recidivism.
It must be societies first interest to reduce violent crime and stop repeat offenders, not satisfying the victims. The crime has been committed and it can never be undone, but our goal must be to try to prevent it in the future.
Obviously you will never get mass transit and bike infrastructure comparable to e.g. Scandinavian standards all over the US. It will never be economically feasible to do in places like Nebraska or the Dakotas. But, it is all the metropolitan areas, like New York has started doing with bike paths.
It is a question of priorities. Only 3000 people were killed in the 9/11 attacks, yet you have spent close to 1'000'000'000'000 dollars fighting a rather pointless war in Iraq. If that amount of money had been used on infrastructure or health-care reform a lot more lives could have been saved.
What I find really odd as a foreigner is the strong emphasis put on being a devout Christian by Americans. Yet at the same time espousing values that are diametrically opposite to those championed by Jesus. And, it seems to be strongly correlated, so that the most bible-thumping southern states are also those most in favour of war and least in favour of a health-care reform.
Of course the people who wrote the human rights have no understanding that most of the people in prison have serious anti social personality disorders, probably can't be "rehabilitated", and probably don't qualify as "human" in the first place. But that's another story.
I doubt that is the case. Unless you believe that a very large percentage of Americans have personality disorders and don't qualify as humans. A much larger fraction than in other countries around the world.
Sure some are so far gone that they can never be rehabilitated, but I'd argue that most are not.
If you wanted to create a well-adjusted person would you lock your child up with a bunch of murderers, arsonists and rapists as the only humans to interact with? Having to live in fear of being beaten up or raped. With nothing to do but stare at a wall. Then why would you think it would be a good thing to inflict on adults?
The problem is that putting people in prison for rehabilitation is the worst plan since Abe Lincoln said to his wife: "I'm sick of sitting around the house, let's catch a play."
You have to remember to factor weight in. I commute daily by bike and my cruising speed is around 30 km/h, on a crap bike. But I probably weigh almost twice what Armstrong does (130 kg). So while my power output is comparable my real world performance obviously isn't. Plus the sports i do are not based on endurance but explosiveness. I can probably create a peak of 2-3 horsepower, but can only sustain it for a very short period.
Ummm, because the french have actually been in a lot of wars (50 major european wars since 1500) and won 2/3 of all wars they've been in(since records began)?
Certainly, I started working on a paper about this while I was at CERN. It is my firm belief that if anyone touches the EU farm subsidies the laws of physics will immediately go on strike and block the E62.
Until you realize that "lifeboat" is a misnomer. You will only have a small amount of time before you run out of oxygen/food and while you slowly starve to death you'll have to listen to lawyers arguing a case. So "deathboat of extreme boredom" is a more accurate name.
It's not rechargeable. And I don't know of any simple electrochemical process that reverses the oxidation of silicon.
Neither is gasoline. No wonder we don't use the stuff. ;-)
A political statement. At the moment it is legal to be a prostitute and also legal to be a customer. It is not legal to be a pimp or madam however, a somewhat ineffective attempt at catching/punishing/curbing human trafficking.
The reason the prostitutes are so vocal is that there are strong forces working towards banning prostitution in Denmark. One of the biggest parties, the social democrats, decided to make illegal prostitution part of their political programme. Incidentaly the mayor of Copenhagen Ritt Bjerregaard is from this party.
Just thought i's mention the he should be changed to a she. You got it right in the quote.
It isn't. There is an old law on copytight that specifically gives the right to copy in some cases. Then there is a new law concerning DRM that follows the EU copyright directive. These two laws are in conflict. I'm just afraid that if this goes to court the EU-inspired law will take precedence.
Ah, but you see in scandinavia food is already seen as a basic human right. So we have just added health in there as well.
On another note why is sex in the first tier? Surely that is not a basic need?
Plus Denmark being in the scary 'socialist'/communist commune of scandinavia if we bankrupted a person for the rest of his life, the rest of us tax payers would just have to support him for the rest of his life. Making the procedure rather pointless.
But Switzerland isn't in the EU. So why would they?
The only reason they have any DRM laws at all is probably that WIPO is located in Geneva.
Well, the problem is one of a clash between a danish law and an EU law. The danish law gives you an explicit right to make a backup copy. In the old days you were also allowed to copy a friends cd you had borrowed(He couldn't copy it and give you a copy since that would be distributing).
The EU passed it's own version of the DMCA and that means all the member countries have to create similar legislation. And, because Denmark is the teacher's pet when it comes to passing legislation we were one of the first countries to put it into effect.
I'm no legal expert, but I believe that the EU law will weigh more heavily if it goes to court. But, the danish national character being pragmatic, I guess the police is just going to dismiss the case, on the grounds of it being silly to to accuse yourself.
We can hope, however, that his stunt will get the attention of someone in parliament. They might be more willing to look into copyright issues after the success of the pirateparty in the EU election in sweden. It would just have been better if he had waited another ½ a year until we get close to election time.
I find your ideas intriguing and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
Maybe we should also create separate areas where the different races could sit in public transport, so we don't risk the discomfort and mental anguish of not being able to express ourself freely.
Oh oh oh, and we could also create these camps where special races could be relocated to for the safety of primarily, of course, themselves and secondarily the nation.
London is quite a big place, If you go to Greenwich area the Science Museum.area is too far away.
Alright, it's a wee bit of walk, but certainly not impossible. I'll also admit to enjoy walking more than the average person.
Even attractions that are centrally located (lets say Westminster area and the South Bank area) are 5 minutes away by underground rather than 15 or 20 minutes walk in the horrid weather of Nov or Dec.
Horrid weather? In London? Are you by any chance a southern fairy? :-) In december I will recommend walking even more. Standing thronged together in a damp and warm environment during flu season is a remarkably bad idea.
You even have a few roads where you drive on the right. Because if anything is worth doing it's worth doing sillily as long as it's tradition.
Bring some really good walking shoes. Public transport in london is expensive and crowded. You'll get a lot more out of walking. But, you'll walk a lot.
The Tate Modern is worth a visit just for the building, doesn't matter whether you're into modern art.
The Natural History Museum next to The Science Museum is also worth a visit.
If you are into architecture I would recommend sir John Soane's museum.
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I have a suspicion that you are also male, so it would be difficult.
But, if you are suggesting developing a YY-chromosome mutant and the Axlotl tanks described in Dune, then I'm all in.
I have a perfect mad scientist laugh and a bitchin' cape. Could you bring a volcanic island for our lair?
Um, you might want to check your history again. The longbow was the weapon that made plate body armor obsolete.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Longbows and full steel platemail developed around the same time ~1200's and stayed in fashion until about the 1600's, when the bows were being replaced by guns and plate mail fell out of favour. Note however that platemail protecting the the torso was still popular for cavalry at the time of Frederick II and Napoleon. So platemail lived 400 years together with longbows and outlived bows as an implement of war by another 200, making it very hard to argue that platemail was obsoleted by the longbow, unless you believe some of the most brilliant strategist and tacticians to ever live were also complete morons.