Dude, I live and work in Utah for an almost all Linux shop. Novell is located a few miles from my house. Its true that Hatch is a problem but that doesn't mean everyone in Utah is to blame for this man's actions. We have some great technology companies, some great indpendant artists, and many active contributers to the open source comunity. Your attitude is remarkably close minded.
I too just wrote him. Here is a copy of my comments:
Senator Hatch you have lost my vote. Mine and many others. Your contiued support for legislation that strips concumers of their rights with the "Induce Act" is inexcusable and short sighted. I am ashamed that I voted for you in your past election. I intend to fight you at every turn and persuade all Utah voters likewise. I have done serious damage to your position already with many voters who will no longer cast in your favor. It is my opinion that you have been bought by the RIAA and MPAA and no longer represent the people of Utah. I will not again give my vote to you for I concider you a man without honor.
I will add that I generally vote Republican and did vote for Hatch at the last election because his opponent was significantly contrary to my political views as well. It was a lessor of two evils. As I said to Hatch, I now regret that.
The thing that is really screwed up that keeps the Hatch's and Kennedys and Thurmans in office is the system of seniority in the Senate and the lack of term limits. Hatch is a very powerful senator and sits on some of the most important committees. As a result he gets the most bribes/donations from big business. His views do not fit Utah generally. No one I know in Utah is pleased with SCO. We are also the home of Novell and the birthplace of WordPerfect. We have a great technology culture here that is very pro-Linux and open source. But the fact remains that most of the public do not see the issues that get aired on slashdot and do not understand how they effect their lives. Hatch gets reelected because people know he is powerful and gives the state of Utah more pull in the Senate than a new junior senator would. Please Utah, wake up and elect someone else. Utah Democrats are kinda like New York Republicans anyway, its not really like voting against the GOP:)
I think Gates needs to realize that many people find older technology good enough and will not upgrade until their old player breaks and they cannot buy a new one for $40. Not everybody takes TV seriously enough to buy all their favorite movies again under a new format. Personally I love DVD not just for the quality but the simplisity of not needing to rewind and being able to store them in a small area, but when I went to buy a favorite old Cary Grant movie and saw they wanted $19 for it I was very upset. The movie is 40 years old! All the actors/writers/directors are dead! As for me I rent from Netflicks, copy them as soon as they arrive and send them back. After about 6 months I now have VOD:) And as long as they have extortion pricing I don't feel bad about it.
Let's not be so silly as to equate certifications with degree's.
Degrees mean multiple years of tough commitment, doing research, meeting deadlines, answering to teachers.
Certs mean a week vacation at a "boot camp" and an hour memorizing a Troytech cheat sheet.
While degrees don't always mean the person is smart or a good employee they generally show the person has the ability to see a large project through to the end and deliver assignments on schedule. If the school is worth anything it should also indicate they can do decent research and produce valid documentation. While this is not all it takes to be great in IT it certainly says more than a MCSE.
Well then that makes at least 2 Utahns that do not want to reelect Hatch. The problem remains that he is one of the most senior members of congress and as a result people will vote for him because he is on the most powerful comittees. The answer is either term limits or the end of seniority in the Senate. Thats the only way to get rid of the Hatch, Thruman, Kennedy riffraff in the Senate.
Umm.... They died. What more do you want? Find a living Mormon leader who has made such statements. Mormons like all people are products of their time. Harry Truman made horrible racist statements but went on to change his views and create a very progressive civil rights program. Overall Mormons have an impressive outreach program and a very diversified culture. Most do not speak english (check lds.org). Their humanitarian efforts in Africa I believe show that, if they had provincial attitudes before, they have outgrown them. I do not believe any Mormon leader ever claimed to be perfect. If you take history in perspective and look at Mormons overall rather than a few cherrypicked phrases you will find that they have done some serious good for people of all races.
Great Insite in the parent post! When I was a dumb kid I used to pirate everything. I even did contract work for a few businesses and asked them if they wanted to save money by using a pirate copy. They universally said yes!!
When I grew up and learned Linux in '94 my piracy decreased as I weaned myself off of comercial apps. Even now that I have gone to using a Mac (as well as Linux), I find I will not pirate, instead I work with open source instead.
I now save businesses I consult for by pointing them at Linux and Open Source.
Good reply to both of the last two on this thread. I think the author mistakenly thought they were attacking his point. I see them as stengthening it.
I knew a deaf girl who loved music. She could feel the bass and dance to it. Music is something beyond the senses. I enjoy good reproduction as well. But people who get too caught up in the ultimate quality experience have missed the boat. Perhaps if they tried dancing or singing with the song (especially with a girl or someone they care about) maybe they will realize that music is more than sound waves. People of all hearing capabilities have enjoyed music fully even back before any kind of decent reproduction was possible. It is truely a psycological experience not an auditory one.
I forgot the rules were Mormons could not live outside of Utah.
The company was founded by LDS bussiness people (all of them BYU grads). Most of its board are LDS. Most of its operations are out of the Provo, UT campus. A huge section of its employees are also LDS. I am not really saying it is Mormon controlled, I am just pointing out it could be said as easily as the Idea that SCO is Mormon controlled. Both of which are ridiculous statements.
Yeah its the Mormons that are trying to kill Linux with all these darn Mormon controlled companies like Novell... hey wait!
Take the religous rhetoric elseware. The LDS church actively uses Linux in a variety of ways and the LDS owned university BYU actively contributes to a number of open source projects. Daryl is not viewed by the Utah community as a good Mormon and rumor has it there are even a few catholics that work at SCO as well.
The same technology also can be used to ensure that content such as music or movies is used in a way dictated by the copyright holder. A purchased song, for instance, would not play unless it's sure that it's authorized and running on secure hardware.
Read carefully what this says. You DRM encoded music file that you paid money to get as a ring tone will work. This does not equal your mp3 that you ripped yourself will not work. This sounds no different that the firmware in the iPod.
I agree with you about the things no one wants to do, but I think the article (and a lot of the posters here) miss the point on the big issue. We are lumping too much together and generalizing the issues. This is the same fallicy as racism.
Sure there may be many blacks who steal, more so than whites, so the problem with blacks is they steal?! wtf kind of reasoning is that!!
Yes there are a lot of Open source stuff with poor documentation and no QA, maybe more than commercial software, but all the problems listed exist in commercial software as well. When you stop just including MS, Sun, Adobe and the other big players in a comparison against some obscure OSS project and start looking at the software industry as a whole (including that crap called shareware) you start to see Open Source is at least as good as the stuff being pumped out for profit.
Once you look at it through this lens you find that there are great OSS projects like Linux, MySQL, Mozilla, Perl, PHP, Apache and others that blow away the commercial conterparts in documentation, QA, usability, etc. Sure not every product is better than a commercial app _yet_ but lets be real about how much time has the product had to mature. Gimp rocks and may not be better than Adobe _yet_ but I like it more and it is catching up real fast and getting easier to install and use with every release and the documentation is improving all the time.
We used RedHat exclusively at my shop and when it ended life we investigated many options. We were not satisfied with Fedora largely because it lacked solid update solutions which is why we went with RedHat. We tried it on a few servers but found it was missing packages we were use to and up2date was a thing of the past.
We tried Suse and like it. At the time we were worried that it might go the same way as RedHat, but now it looks like Novell is opening it up even more.
We tried Gentoo and love it. But it wasn't till we got into it and made a build server and a deployment plan that it became attractive as a server system. Now we deploy a Gentoo server in 1.5 hours, mostly automated and updates are a breeze. I think it is going to be a major player in the Linux market.
Currently I am enrolled in Capella University, an online school. They solved this problem by using PDF. I think that is a great answer for keeping formating. You can even do teacher style markups on the page with Adobe software. At work I have often received Resumes that have been formated in different versions of Word or tweaked for certain printers and do not display/print right in our copy of Word. I always recommend people send documents in PDF unless there is a need for editing the document by the recipient.
2. Take a look at Apache, Tomcat, MySQL, IRC, PHP, Perl, Snort, Nessus, and a host of other Open Source projects that are the best of breed in their area and are leaving the commercial world playing catchup.
3. Making a new software that implements functionality of existing software can be very creative. It provides competition. It often improves on small details. It makes a legal, inexpensive way to empower more users to benefit from the idea and lights a fire on the commercial developers to continue innovating to keep their market share. It is by no stretch of the imagination theft.
Just install firmware that supports OpenVPN Running Linux on a WAP, iPod, wristwatch or toaster is a lot of fun. I enjoy these kind of projects very much. But I am talking enterprise solution. This requires seamless operation, centralized user management and easy setup so helpdesk people can give rights in Active Directory (or similar) just by adding someone to a group. OpenVPN is a great project but does not give this. Getting a windows client installed and telling an Exec to *gasp* modify a config file is totally unrealistic. WPA works with the native XP drivers, gives a pretty little icon in the systray to manage the connection and does a transparent pass through of windows credentials.
We even host our internet-facing website off the RAM off what used to be a WAP Fascinating. You are to be complimented for your creativity but we are obviously not talking about the same level of scale at all.
I agree and have used this as well. We actually still have the wifi outside our firewall in one of our buildings and use the VPN to get in. But we have multiple sites connecting with private lines. All internet is piped through our central office so doing this in other offices means putting in a new firewall/VPN in each site. This is much more costly than a $50 access point. I would look again at WPA, it is past the emerging stage now and is well supported under XP and Mac OS X. Win 2K does it well also if you use the Funk Odessey client. Most of the new access points support it and it is more seamless for the pointy hairs.
Actually with the current WPA using AES or even TKIP along with a radius backend your pretty safe. really paranoid use ttls-eap instaed of peap and authenticate with certificates. Remember the challange of wireless is to make it as secure as the wired network not to solve every security issue. Consider this: You threats are minimal, limited to those people close enough to pick up a signal. Real but nothing compared to exposure from the internet. The encryption is now really good. I am sure someone can break it with enough time but not a serious enough threat to worry. It would be much easier to hop on the wired network and sniff. Authentication is now good to excellent depending on the protocol you use. Man in the middle is now impossible as long as you are properly verifying the certificates and keep your CA safe.
A very good comment. But I think it also true that those coders who wish to be "free," who wish to code when no one is pressuring them to code are the ones who love coding and are naturally the best.
This is disgusting. You just proved that the RIAA has a viable market without needing to worry file sharing. Which I have wanted to prove for a long time. But now I feel like I need to take a shower after reading this.
I didn't see music artist protest when changing technology made miners unemployed or when thousands of factory workers lost their jobs to robots.
Let's be fair here. Many artists have raised this and other social issues through music. Granted most of them were country artists like Alan Jackson's Little Man. But checkout Billy Joel's Allentown. There are many more. Music has always played a major role in shaping social values and the best artists have not just had a cool sound but something powerful in the words as well. Lets not deride musicians to make our point against the corporations.
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I refused to do business with people in Utah
Dude, I live and work in Utah for an almost all Linux shop. Novell is located a few miles from my house. Its true that Hatch is a problem but that doesn't mean everyone in Utah is to blame for this man's actions. We have some great technology companies, some great indpendant artists, and many active contributers to the open source comunity. Your attitude is remarkably close minded.
I too just wrote him. Here is a copy of my comments:
:)
Senator Hatch you have lost my vote. Mine and many others. Your contiued support for legislation that strips concumers of their rights with the "Induce Act" is inexcusable and short sighted. I am ashamed that I voted for you in your past election. I intend to fight you at every turn and persuade all Utah voters likewise. I have done serious damage to your position already with many voters who will no longer cast in your favor. It is my opinion that you have been bought by the RIAA and MPAA and no longer represent the people of Utah. I will not again give my vote to you for I concider you a man without honor.
I will add that I generally vote Republican and did vote for Hatch at the last election because his opponent was significantly contrary to my political views as well. It was a lessor of two evils. As I said to Hatch, I now regret that.
The thing that is really screwed up that keeps the Hatch's and Kennedys and Thurmans in office is the system of seniority in the Senate and the lack of term limits. Hatch is a very powerful senator and sits on some of the most important committees. As a result he gets the most bribes/donations from big business. His views do not fit Utah generally. No one I know in Utah is pleased with SCO. We are also the home of Novell and the birthplace of WordPerfect. We have a great technology culture here that is very pro-Linux and open source. But the fact remains that most of the public do not see the issues that get aired on slashdot and do not understand how they effect their lives. Hatch gets reelected because people know he is powerful and gives the state of Utah more pull in the Senate than a new junior senator would.
Please Utah, wake up and elect someone else. Utah Democrats are kinda like New York Republicans anyway, its not really like voting against the GOP
You mean kind of like VHS is obsolete now.
:) And as long as they have extortion pricing I don't feel bad about it.
I think Gates needs to realize that many people find older technology good enough and will not upgrade until their old player breaks and they cannot buy a new one for $40. Not everybody takes TV seriously enough to buy all their favorite movies again under a new format. Personally I love DVD not just for the quality but the simplisity of not needing to rewind and being able to store them in a small area, but when I went to buy a favorite old Cary Grant movie and saw they wanted $19 for it I was very upset. The movie is 40 years old! All the actors/writers/directors are dead! As for me I rent from Netflicks, copy them as soon as they arrive and send them back. After about 6 months I now have VOD
Let's not be so silly as to equate certifications with degree's.
Degrees mean multiple years of tough commitment, doing research, meeting deadlines, answering to teachers.
Certs mean a week vacation at a "boot camp" and an hour memorizing a Troytech cheat sheet.
While degrees don't always mean the person is smart or a good employee they generally show the person has the ability to see a large project through to the end and deliver assignments on schedule. If the school is worth anything it should also indicate they can do decent research and produce valid documentation. While this is not all it takes to be great in IT it certainly says more than a MCSE.
Well then that makes at least 2 Utahns that do not want to reelect Hatch. The problem remains that he is one of the most senior members of congress and as a result people will vote for him because he is on the most powerful comittees. The answer is either term limits or the end of seniority in the Senate. Thats the only way to get rid of the Hatch, Thruman, Kennedy riffraff in the Senate.
As always competition benefits the consumer. I am glad that Google raised the standard. I am going to sit back and see how far the storage wars go.
Umm.... They died. What more do you want? Find a living Mormon leader who has made such statements. Mormons like all people are products of their time. Harry Truman made horrible racist statements but went on to change his views and create a very progressive civil rights program. Overall Mormons have an impressive outreach program and a very diversified culture. Most do not speak english (check lds.org). Their humanitarian efforts in Africa I believe show that, if they had provincial attitudes before, they have outgrown them. I do not believe any Mormon leader ever claimed to be perfect. If you take history in perspective and look at Mormons overall rather than a few cherrypicked phrases you will find that they have done some serious good for people of all races.
Great Insite in the parent post!
When I was a dumb kid I used to pirate everything. I even did contract work for a few businesses and asked them if they wanted to save money by using a pirate copy. They universally said yes!!
When I grew up and learned Linux in '94 my piracy decreased as I weaned myself off of comercial apps. Even now that I have gone to using a Mac (as well as Linux), I find I will not pirate, instead I work with open source instead.
I now save businesses I consult for by pointing them at Linux and Open Source.
Good reply to both of the last two on this thread. I think the author mistakenly thought they were attacking his point. I see them as stengthening it.
I knew a deaf girl who loved music. She could feel the bass and dance to it. Music is something beyond the senses. I enjoy good reproduction as well. But people who get too caught up in the ultimate quality experience have missed the boat. Perhaps if they tried dancing or singing with the song (especially with a girl or someone they care about) maybe they will realize that music is more than sound waves. People of all hearing capabilities have enjoyed music fully even back before any kind of decent reproduction was possible. It is truely a psycological experience not an auditory one.
I forgot the rules were Mormons could not live outside of Utah.
The company was founded by LDS bussiness people (all of them BYU grads). Most of its board are LDS. Most of its operations are out of the Provo, UT campus. A huge section of its employees are also LDS. I am not really saying it is Mormon controlled, I am just pointing out it could be said as easily as the Idea that SCO is Mormon controlled. Both of which are ridiculous statements.
Yeah its the Mormons that are trying to kill Linux with all these darn Mormon controlled companies like Novell ... hey wait!
Take the religous rhetoric elseware. The LDS church actively uses Linux in a variety of ways and the LDS owned university BYU actively contributes to a number of open source projects. Daryl is not viewed by the Utah community as a good Mormon and rumor has it there are even a few catholics that work at SCO as well.
The same technology also can be used to ensure that content such as music or movies is used in a way dictated by the copyright holder. A purchased song, for instance, would not play unless it's sure that it's authorized and running on secure hardware.
Read carefully what this says. You DRM encoded music file that you paid money to get as a ring tone will work. This does not equal your mp3 that you ripped yourself will not work. This sounds no different that the firmware in the iPod.
I agree with you about the things no one wants to do, but I think the article (and a lot of the posters here) miss the point on the big issue. We are lumping too much together and generalizing the issues. This is the same fallicy as racism.
Sure there may be many blacks who steal, more so than whites, so the problem with blacks is they steal?! wtf kind of reasoning is that!!
Yes there are a lot of Open source stuff with poor documentation and no QA, maybe more than commercial software, but all the problems listed exist in commercial software as well. When you stop just including MS, Sun, Adobe and the other big players in a comparison against some obscure OSS project and start looking at the software industry as a whole (including that crap called shareware) you start to see Open Source is at least as good as the stuff being pumped out for profit.
Once you look at it through this lens you find that there are great OSS projects like Linux, MySQL, Mozilla, Perl, PHP, Apache and others that blow away the commercial conterparts in documentation, QA, usability, etc. Sure not every product is better than a commercial app _yet_ but lets be real about how much time has the product had to mature. Gimp rocks and may not be better than Adobe _yet_ but I like it more and it is catching up real fast and getting easier to install and use with every release and the documentation is improving all the time.
We used RedHat exclusively at my shop and when it ended life we investigated many options. We were not satisfied with Fedora largely because it lacked solid update solutions which is why we went with RedHat. We tried it on a few servers but found it was missing packages we were use to and up2date was a thing of the past.
We tried Suse and like it. At the time we were worried that it might go the same way as RedHat, but now it looks like Novell is opening it up even more.
We tried Gentoo and love it. But it wasn't till we got into it and made a build server and a deployment plan that it became attractive as a server system. Now we deploy a Gentoo server in 1.5 hours, mostly automated and updates are a breeze. I think it is going to be a major player in the Linux market.
Currently I am enrolled in Capella University, an online school. They solved this problem by using PDF. I think that is a great answer for keeping formating. You can even do teacher style markups on the page with Adobe software.
At work I have often received Resumes that have been formated in different versions of Word or tweaked for certain printers and do not display/print right in our copy of Word. I always recommend people send documents in PDF unless there is a need for editing the document by the recipient.
3X as thick, twice as long!
Come on that 6 times as much device for only twice the price. Pound for pound Microsoft wins hands down.
1. You are a troll.
2. Take a look at Apache, Tomcat, MySQL, IRC, PHP, Perl, Snort, Nessus, and a host of other Open Source projects that are the best of breed in their area and are leaving the commercial world playing catchup.
3. Making a new software that implements functionality of existing software can be very creative. It provides competition. It often improves on small details. It makes a legal, inexpensive way to empower more users to benefit from the idea and lights a fire on the commercial developers to continue innovating to keep their market share. It is by no stretch of the imagination theft.
Step outside your box little man.
Just install firmware that supports OpenVPN
Running Linux on a WAP, iPod, wristwatch or toaster is a lot of fun. I enjoy these kind of projects very much. But I am talking enterprise solution.
This requires seamless operation, centralized user management and easy setup so helpdesk people can give rights in Active Directory (or similar) just by adding someone to a group. OpenVPN is a great project but does not give this. Getting a windows client installed and telling an Exec to *gasp* modify a config file is totally unrealistic. WPA works with the native XP drivers, gives a pretty little icon in the systray to manage the connection and does a transparent pass through of windows credentials.
We even host our internet-facing website off the RAM off what used to be a WAP
Fascinating. You are to be complimented for your creativity but we are obviously not talking about the same level of scale at all.
I agree and have used this as well. We actually still have the wifi outside our firewall in one of our buildings and use the VPN to get in. But we have multiple sites connecting with private lines. All internet is piped through our central office so doing this in other offices means putting in a new firewall/VPN in each site. This is much more costly than a $50 access point.
I would look again at WPA, it is past the emerging stage now and is well supported under XP and Mac OS X. Win 2K does it well also if you use the Funk Odessey client. Most of the new access points support it and it is more seamless for the pointy hairs.
Actually with the current WPA using AES or even TKIP along with a radius backend your pretty safe. really paranoid use ttls-eap instaed of peap and authenticate with certificates. Remember the challange of wireless is to make it as secure as the wired network not to solve every security issue.
Consider this:
You threats are minimal, limited to those people close enough to pick up a signal. Real but nothing compared to exposure from the internet.
The encryption is now really good. I am sure someone can break it with enough time but not a serious enough threat to worry. It would be much easier to hop on the wired network and sniff.
Authentication is now good to excellent depending on the protocol you use.
Man in the middle is now impossible as long as you are properly verifying the certificates and keep your CA safe.
Actually I bet it could boot up as fast as he said. The problem is that it took less than a minute to dump core.
A very good comment. But I think it also true that those coders who wish to be "free," who wish to code when no one is pressuring them to code are the ones who love coding and are naturally the best.
Maybe that's why Codeweavers is successful.
Let's not forget Apple in our list of sucessful product makers using open source.
This is disgusting. You just proved that the RIAA has a viable market without needing to worry file sharing. Which I have wanted to prove for a long time. But now I feel like I need to take a shower after reading this.
I didn't see music artist protest when changing technology made miners unemployed or when thousands of factory workers lost their jobs to robots.
Let's be fair here. Many artists have raised this and other social issues through music. Granted most of them were country artists like Alan Jackson's Little Man. But checkout Billy Joel's Allentown. There are many more. Music has always played a major role in shaping social values and the best artists have not just had a cool sound but something powerful in the words as well. Lets not deride musicians to make our point against the corporations.