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Online Porn - The Technology Testbed?
DaveAtFraud writes "USA Today is running a only slightly tongue-in-cheek article pointing out that the on-line porn industry has become the technology testbed for innovative content delivery. On-line delivery of 'adult' content has been wrestling with issues such as digital rights management, video on-demand billing, wireless services, and geo-location software since long before these became issues for 'mainstream' content providers. Maybe having an adult content provider listed on your geek resume isn't so bad after all."
As much as some people would like to deny it Porn built the internet. Before that it fed the BBSes. It seems kind of obvious to me that despite what we have been told the first network was actually built because one geek called the other up and said, "Hey I got this great picture of a naked chick. You wanna see?" Porn, e-mail, and Wolf ET. Life can't get much better than that.
Online Porn is lending a hand to the rest of the industry...
There's a beautiful kind of irony to it...
Come to think of it, how does porn get protected?
Unlike viewers of corporate or media websites, these people won't complain if something doesn't work properly. No one's going to make a stink if their favorite porn website's flash animation isn't working properly, at least not publically.
The VCR, the camcorder, and now the Internet. Heck, I bet the second thing Gutenberg did after printing a Bible was to make a book with naughty woodcuts.
And guys at Google right now are wondering why are so many people interested in Gail Harris.
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a only slightly tongue-in-cheek article
...ewww
I always hear about how amazingly profitable the porn industry is. My question is who pays for all this porn when there is more than enough free stuff out there to meet anyone's needs. Just my observation...
Damn...I wish I was a writer...
make porn freely available to curious childs and sex starved computer scientists? If not, well that s what I used/use it for
Nothing new here.
Many research projects of all kinds have applications to porn industry. Just recently, my work for a health care / aging research center on remote patient evaluation may have applications to porn in a hotel. In fact, the private company we are dealing with told us, plain out loud, that if the opportunity comes they will sell there technology to any porn provider.
Bottom line: business is business. If porn is more profitable, that's where the high-tech goes.
Pr0n has always led the way in new technologies one way or another.. *big grin*.
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employed by the porn industry. Old news! Next!
Yes, they are definitely ahead of the times compared to most others when it comes to technology, but they are also ahead of the times in the nextgen marketing/spam department.
Pop-ups? They did it first. Pop-unders? Did it first. The messenger exploit? Guess who.
God knows what else is brewing in the labs as we speak..
We have secretly replaced these Slashdot mods' sense of humor with a rusty nail. Let's see if they notice!!
If you want to test a particular platform for scalability, have a porn outfit try it out.
It only makes sense, considering how rooted in sex we human beings really are. I don't think it's anything to be ashamed of, and if as a race we could be more open with our sexuality, it wouldn't cause so many other problems.
Saw an interesting feature on a Dateline-type TV news show for my Cyberlaw class. It said that pornography has driven not only the Internet (streaming video, credit card verification, broadband, etc.), but also technologies like the VCR (instead of going to the sleazy adult theatre, you can watch skin flicks in your own home) and even cable television. It was said that the number of adult movie screens in this country (indeed, around the world) has gone up exponentially since the introduction of the VCR, and it hasn't decreased since. It takes away the need for people to go out and buy porn in a semi-public fashion.
Just think, if it weren't for our baser instincts, we'd never have advanced as far technologically as we have. Who knows what the future holds...
www.tealeaves.org "All you need is love." -
...in college who did his doctoral o this exact subject. He later went on to work for ABC television. His basic gist was that it's the porn industry that actually works out the practical logistics of any new medium. At the time he was talking about the porn industry building the VHS video industry. A lot of movie studios were reluctant to put movies on VHS since they feared it would destroy their industry. But the porno business had nothing to lose as they were relegated to booths and shady theaters. So... they put ALL of their movies out on VHS. All those people out there who would NEVER be caught dead in a porno movie house or booth suddenly had access in their own living rooms and [BAM!!!] a new empire was born. Too bad porno movies soundtracks are so bad, otherwise the porno industry would probably have the online music distribution down pat in a short time.
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I wish all industries were so dedicated to testing.
Porn wants to be free .. just like information wants to be free .. That's why we have all this technology so we an get free porn ..
- percieved anonymity
- convienence...content delivered on demand
- privacy of enjoying content in own home
I wonder how many people would pay a porn site to download content, but will not be willing to go to an "adult bookstore" to buy the same content?
Will people still visit porn sites if their employers knew what sites they visit?
All the porn sites now pretty much all have the same content.. It's just a matter of who has more and who can deliver it cheaper. With so much competition it's no surprise they have the latest and greatest.
Buckethead
Porn industry is quite responsive to new technology. Subscription models, streaming video, mobile content, all of these seem to make it in porn, but not the rest of the industry(not as easily).
ISPs also love hosting porn sites due to the highbandwidth, expensive accounts that these sites get. It's quite at how successful porn business is as compared to "decent" business models.
When the web started, these were the folks who mostly implemented the whole credit card/password access thing. They "stretched" graphics, streaming (uh huh huh) video, audio, and any other multimedia applications out there.
They've gone after the broadband crowd long before everyone else relied on it, and in a sense, continue to push the whole Internet-based "entertainment" stuff. Yeah, they innovate, can't deny that. They've always been in the fringe -- and everyone else just kinda looks on to see what does and doesn't work.
Hmmm, maybe they're the "military" of the Internet -- the technology gets designed for their purposes first, then once it's tested, goes on to find applications for the general public.
autopr0n.com
/.'ers signature. Very cool idea, kinda slow SQL database, but best of all its PHP. Wait, oh, back to the pr0n, yeah, its good, lets you do a search like teen AND asian AND NOT lesbian, if thats your sort of thing ya know?
Not my site, saw it on another
Im dreaming ofa big bndwdth, That can resist the
This means that the adult entertainment industry and other fast-paced private industries have supplanted the military as a driver for leading-edge tech. The long procurement cycles for weapons and government programs mean that they use older tech. In fact, it is a real problem for vendors because the government wants specs on stuff to be delivered in 18-24 months (its hard to spec a PC 2 years in advance).
Although the military will always be the driver for some technologies, commerical enterprise, with its much faster innovation cycle time, seems to be taking over as the key driver for innovation.
Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do.
Think of it. If it has something to do with sex, there is probably something that was innovative at one point or another and was first used for a given purpose. Polymers and sex toys, multi-angled video filming and pornographic DVDs, you get the idea.
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Maybe having an adult content provider listed on your geek resume isn't so bad after all."
The only thing better than surfing the internet for pr0n is getting paid to put it there.
"Giving money and power to governments is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys." - P.J. O'Rourke
I find it interesting that the article suggests that having experience in the online adult industry would be beneficial to one's resume. While technology may be driven by porn, I suspect that most subsequent employers would not be enlightened enough to see past the "porn" part of it...
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Porn led the way for (in no particular order): "moving pictures", VHS, the printing press, paintings, photography, and just about every other form of media. Why? Because it's human nature to consume sexuality.
As you can tell I don't view porn, but is the Porn Industry doing full content streaming yet?
:)
The advertising industry nowadays wants/tries to do something more than just plain banner ads on the website, but have they found a way to do a full streaming efficiently?
IS PORN TECH THE ANSWER?
I doubt I'd find it if I tried but I remember reading an article about a year or more ago from a big porn site operator taking about the advantages of using J2EE technologies in their high traffic sites. There were also comments about companies using them to fine tune their frameworks because of the real world load they had. I found this article when I wanted to find out more about competing technologies. I specifically wanted to find what the porn industry was using for their websites knowing how much traffic they get. So I stuck with jsp/servlet programming. If it's good enough for half naked women with fake boobs, it's good enough for me!
Unfortunately, people might not go to well for the slogan "Java & J2EE, we help you get sticky."
Porn has helped innovate many industries. It's a shame there's too much of a stigma associated with it and they don't get the recognition they deserve.
Open Source Java DAO Generator
Well, it's certainly the driving force behind the devlopment of one-handed input technology!
"Freedom means freedom for everybody" -- Dick Cheney
"Maybe having an adult content provider listed on your geek resume isn't so bad after all."
Did I say on my resume that I've worked at Google? Sorry, I meant BOOBLE!!!
The company I work for hosts some of the largest porn sites on the web - we have 4 gigs - Internet, and all the latest Cisco toys: iSCSI SANs, 6500's with load balancing, IDS, and firewall modules, gig E everywhere, real-time geographical load distribution, you name it.
My last two gigs were Universal and Sony (I'm in LA) and both were tiny Internet environments compared to this.
Our SAN has 7TB of content so far & we're adding 1/2 a TB a month...
Geolocation... how's that going to work out for all of our not-so-suave spys?
Alright, I gotta admit, I've been dying to ask this question, and this topic seems like the right place to do it... I wanna see some replies telling me how MUCH pr0n you've downloaded (and have available to you in some format (CD, harddrive, etc.)) *right now*!
/., I'm sure many of you must make me look like an amateur, so please humble me! (or at least make me feel like I'm not a TOTAL perv ;-)
I estimate I have *around* 15Gb of stuff I've saved, I'm sure I've downloaded MUCH more than that over the years, but I could probably find about that much in my apartment right now...
Anyway, this is
It is a great market for testing many things because it is such a commoditized and competitive market. The material is all the same boring stuff, so they need to explore new ways to market it. Is there a porn version of Netflix yet? Who is going to be the first in wireless porn?
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Create a WAP server
I'd also like to note that a couple of DVD features, such as multiple angels, were pretty much implemented thanks to the porn industry.
Think that's BS?
How many movies have multiple angles that DON'T involve storyboards?
How many PORN movies have multiple angles? (not that I personally know or anything...)
Yeah, thought so.
Still wondering why I can stream Debbie Does Dallas (the original) to my Zaurus over 802.11b faster than to my PC with a 1GB ethernet adaptor.
:)
Something the article fails to mention is the money behind porn. The porn industry is the *only* industry that has never suffered financially. There have never been layoffs. And while mostly privately held (after all, who wants their investment portfolio filled with smut companies), its one of the best funded industries out there. The porn industry has the $$$ to make things work, but they don't always share their technologies. The majority also use some form of *nix in their infrastructure... very little M$ found in the porn industry. And from a dot-bomb perspective, I made a killing as a 21-year-old making over $150K a year in the dot-com era. When I finally got laid off, I went to Vivid Video. While all my other over $100K a year friends and co-workers are now averaging $80K to $90K, I'm now making over $200K. There's something to be said for working in an industry with money. And, no, I'm not an actor, but I do get to watch whatever I want... and occasionally some of the girls need a little relief.
The only thing necessary for Micro$oft to triumph is for a few good programmers to do nothing". North County Computers
Okay, I'm also being touch-and-cheek but I think the Rule of Porn mostly works. Can you use Google for porn? Yep, must be a good technology. Can you use faster Internet access for porn? Yep... and so on.
I've always maintained that many of the best advances in the area of home computing have come as a result of the porn and video game industries.
Quote from article: "...online-porn experts say." Isn't every male an online-porn expert? How does one become an 'online-porn expert'?
Technology always finds the lowest common denominator
Where was USA Today's tongue?
Oh.
Trust not a man who's rich in flax / His morals may be sadly lax
Like this is the first article to point out that porn is often used for testing beds!
I remember looking at the CD-ROM software section at Fry's and seeing one half of a row with encyclopedias, crappy cinematic games, almanacs and the like, and the rest of the space devoted to "adult content." It was like a 100:1 ratio. And now we all have CD drives. :-)
Porn is that perfect equilibrium point on the chart that economic theorists dream about - the ultimate cash nexus, where the supply demand curves collide in ecstatic harmony.
Consider - there is enough technical info on the internet to perform nuclear fusion, harness solar energy to power your homes, run your car on biofuel from corn instead of gasoline, create immense wealth from freely available portfolio management techniques, crack the genetic code, break RSA crypto, find the next largest Mersenne prime, or maybe just find a new home, repair your microwave, hawk your old CDs.....or even build yourself an H-bomb & blow up this planet to bits.
Yet, what is the most sought after commodity on the net ? Porn !
Why is that ?
In "The Wealth of Nations", Adam Smith explains the "Diamond-Water paradox". The most useful, valuable, life-sustaining entity on the planet is water - yet, it has practically no price, since supply is free ( it rains ! ). The least useful frivilous commodity is the diamond, but it has enormous, immense value in the eyes of man.
So, Smith says, an economist must never attempt to tie value with price, since they don't have much of a relationship. Porn on the net is much more valuable than all the useful techie manuals & MIT courseware put together, because Porn is the ultimate diamond.
People don't develop better video codecs so they can email their moms home movies.
vk.
It's all in how you write your resume. "Commercial internet based multi-media provideer" sounds much better than "systems administrator for Sluts-R-Us.com."
I can get it for you wholesale.
Some mornings it's hardly worth chewing through the restraints to get out of bed.
What do you mean has become? It's almost always been the technology test bed for practicaly every form of visual entertainment.
How could this technology be improved?
The former model and queen of B-movie gems Cellblock Sisters and Galaxy Girls fished nude photos out of a trash can years ago and went on to create a multimillion-dollar Internet company with the world's largest collection of erotic images.
That's very untrue, I have the world's largest collection of erotic images, and no you can't have it.
I know I tested out a lot if different Lubes while perusing the webs finest. Email me if you need some advice!
usa today is news for third graders.
we all know that pr0n has been the 'leader' in pushing web technologies. with that said, the 'legitimate' business folks have been behind in acknowledging the serious minds at work making content delivery better in the industry.
and as far as the 'adult entertainment' credentials on a resume, if i was an IT manager worth a damn, i would be happy to have a dba or webmonkey from a successful operation be on the team. just like anything else, porn is an industry. consisting of more than some guy in a wood paneled room or barn with some actress and a film crew. i've heard figures of 6 Billion per annum domestic expenditure. if that's not a viable industry, hell i don't know what is.
if you ever make it to southern california, on the 101 north just over the hill from sunset, there is vivendi/universal studios over there on the right, and the armenian church and the vivid entertainment on the left. why have i mentioned the church? oh nothing, just a strange coincidence i guess, heh. gay armenians do not run the san pornando valley! rawr.
I remember my daddy telling me when I was a child "go ahead, look at porn as much as you'd like, but I better not catch you paying for it!"
To this day, his stance is that the two things in life you don't pay for are porn and fire extinguishers*.
*Long story
Sony should have invested in the porn industry....
True story...
We were developing (back in the dot-com days, a moment of silence please) a desktop collaboration software (think NetMeeting, WebEx, etc.) but we had a way-supeior codec and way of doing things.
Along came a company, that wanted to use our server technology to stream video. Interestingly not a porn company, but none other than those fine friers of chicken, KFC. They wanted to wire up all their stores and stream their security monitoring cameras back to HQ security. We called the project ChickenCam...
Coincidentally, a few weeks later we were approached by a company out of the LA area (where else) who wanted a surprisingly similar implementation. They were a little sketchy about the details in their first call, but eventually they let on that they wanted various video channels to stream to their users. It was then that we decided to rename the ChickenCam project to PoultryCam to match this PussyCam project. We didn't think CatCam and ChickenCam was nearly as much fun.
In the end, the PussyCam ended up going operational, but the thick client install and configuration made it less than successful (as I had originally predicted). We did sell the PoultryCam, but they only ever implemented it in one store and then gave up on the whole idea.
Those were the days...
--D
p.s. Any porn companies currently hiring?
Considering our initial attempts at crafting and designing, using tools etc resulted in a lot of naked women, I'd say it's been a testbed for technology for quite some time.
A lot of people have this idea that most porn is run on flaky servers in big server farms by shadowy sleaze bags. Form my experience working for Internet Entertainment Group, only one of those things (run by sleaze bags) was true. We ran IEG out of half a floor in a glass tower next to Pike Place Market in Seattle. We had 2 OC-3 lines and a few T-1s running from our studios in Capital Hill, 9 SGI servers running IRIX, and a RAID with terabytes before people tossed that term around much. Totally "state of the art". The boss, Seth, however, was a sleaze of the first level, and now resides in Thailand (for some reason, he fears coming back here, pissed off a few people).
"Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" - Glen Beck
To this day, his stance is that the two things in life you don't pay for are porn and fire extinguishers*.
I imagine you stealing fire extinguishers from porn stores but the image doesn't fit really well. I'm probably missing something really interesting and I hope I'll survive the moral shock.
I am shocked no one said it yet.
Find the name of a model, especially one knows to pose nude. Now type it in on Google image search. Now you have a page full of way more porn than you can usually get, usually much higher quality than searching for "porn".
Remember porn did a lot for the VCR, and the VCR did alot for porn. Before everything was film canisters. With the video tape, production costs for the industry dropped. VCR tapes were easier to ship and use for the average consumer.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
"from the sound of one hand posting stories-dept"
This guy is way out there
Porn experience looks good on your resume? If your job involved hanging out with naked women having sex all the time, why in god's name would you be working on your resume?
dont expect vr to take of until its good enough for porn and has a special "attachment".
dude, your sig is giving me seizures, it's pretty awesome. thanks!
I believe the -dept had Ass left out of the title.
Porn has always been on the cutting edge of technology. Seriously. Well, any sort of media-related technology at least... pictures, recordings, TV, video, the internet, streaming video, etc. etc. etc...
Whether it's a "testbed", well, I'll let those who want to mince rhetoric decide that. But as the saying goes, sex sells, and as such technology is often used for such purposes.
Or something.
Empornium
Eat it Yoda. Shouldn't you be greased and up somebody's ass right now?
I dunno. "I learned everything I need to know about teamwork, delegation and quality control while on the set of 'Three Bitches for Charlie' doesn't really have a nice ring to it.
It certainly depends on how the information is presented, and may heavilly depend on whether the hiring person is 'with' or 'against' Adult Entertainment.
If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
I'm not usually a grammar Nazi but you spelt it wrong 4 times...
My days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle...
Live streaming 3D video with webcams or any windows compatible cameras. There is even a Flash wrapper for stereoscopic content.
http://www.realtime-3d.com
I admit I work for them. I know the owners are negotiationing with 4 live streaming companies right now.
"also there's lots of dumb fucks who waste their hard earned cash on some payphone dreams, so there must be 'few' willing to do the same thing online(camwhores)."
Pornivores.
You don't think Guttenberg only printed bibles, do you?
Here's what I do: Bitty Browser & Andromeda
Originally posted at http://george.hotelling.net/90percent/linkage/pr0n _leads_the_way.php:
I found a pretty insightful rant (safe for work) copied from the business guy at the altporn site Suicide Girls. I wish the RIAA would start tracking how people hear about the albums that they buy, so that they could stop freaking out.
Porn has a long history of figuring out how to use new media to their advantage. Perhaps because porn is driven by our basest instinct we understand it on far deeper levels than widget building, and can apply that understanding to things that we don't fully comprehend intellectually. Maybe it's just because there's such intense competition in the industry that forces companies to innovate. I'm sure there's a "free hand of the market" joke in there, but I'll be damned if I can find it.
The VCR was largely decried by the MPAA because they saw it as cutting into their profits. When the VCR was still new, MPAA president Jack Valenti said the VCR is [to the movie industry]...as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone. (which of course means that he wasn't opposed to the VCR). A driver of early VCR purchases was being able to watch porn movies without having to go to theaters filled with creepier people than you. Fast forward 20 years and that Boston strangler makes up a huge portion of movie studio profits.
While I'm skeptical that porn can drive any technology - who really needs porn on their cellphone at blazing speeds - the porn industry typically ahead of the curve. Let's hope the RIAA realizes this and stops suing 12 year old girls.
Why can't I moderate something "Wrong" or at least "Grossly Misinformed"?
I'm off to visit some porn sit^H^H^H^H^H^H^H...err, I mean do some testing!
So does Anonymous Coward have good karma?
they will cum?
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I'm seeing a lot of questions out there for 'who would actually buy porno', and I'm suprised that no one is stating what (to me at least) would be the obvious answers
I'm going to point out that I heavily considered positing anonomusly cause I'm a coward; but decided not to.
1-People who want to dictate things; most porn sites mention that when your a paying member you can request seeing your faviorate 'actress' in different scenarios- If you've got a fetish for a green haired version of your faviorate internet-porn actress in a pumpkin patch (most ridiculus but likely to take place example I could come up with) and your a paying customer; you can get it.
2-People who want to get involved in things, at least superficially (being a 'web cam director at a 'mere 2.95 a minute on top of your regular membership')
3-For the really creepy stuff; buying things that your faviorate porn actress has worn (lots of porn sites advertise this bizarr activity; then again, apparantly they sell worn girls panties in vending machines in japan)
4-Full Length Videos; Ignoring illegally downloading them off of P2P networks, if you like videos signing up to these places is often the way to go; even over P2P networks the video's are often portions of larger clips
5-Video Purchase (though this often dose not nessessitiate being a member; there is often a discount that makes it worthwile if your going to buy a few); because eventually your going to run out of hard disk space from downloading, or want 3 hours of solid girl on girl action on DVD.
I should point out that a casual porn store will be able to facilitate a few of those; but I imagine what you get from a website is more 'amature' or 'girl next door' then what you'd get in professional porn.
-Millions of Monkeys, Millions of typewriters, 6 hours of sorting through faeces encrusted pages to find: This post
... All 20 of them.
Mencken had it right. So glad that's old news.
On the internet p0rn finds you.... (not to mention in Soviet Russia)
I would agree with that. Remember, employers aren't just looking at your skill set, they're also wondering how you're going to fit in/contribute to the overall corporate culture. If your hunger for pornography is strong and your morals so low that you'd go to work for a pornographer, what is your behavior going to be like in the office? Are you going to regularly surf for porn at your desk? Are you going to sexually harass women in the office? Whether or not such suspicions are justified, this is the kind of stuff that people will think about you.
NPR had an interesting profile a long time ago of a CEO who was wanting to change industries. He oversaw several thousand employees in a highly successful organization. He managed numerous facilities in various countries, and was an expert in managing international financial issues. Why couldn't he find work? He was a drug kingpin.
Skills are only a part of the story. Unless your future boss is an unfeeling android, then the context of how you acquired those skills will also very important.
Look. A man's got to do what a man's got to do.
If your hardware breaks down,you've got no duct-tape or chicken-wire, and you're fresh out of bondo...
Well there's only one thing to reach for.
1. Brilliant idea
2. Apply to porn industry
3. Profit!
I like the way that Pharmboy put it.
heh.
-Androids
-True virtual reality
-Smell-o-vision/Taste-o-vision
-Small, cheap personal video players
-Stain proof clothing
-Genetics
Buy Steampunk Clothing Online!
...innovative content delivery right here.
The military may use old technology now, but at the time those machines are designed for the military they are the highest of high-tech.
You raise some very good points. I think the change-over from military applications being the leader to being the follower occured on the last 10-15 years. In the mid-80s the DoD adopted a COTS (Commmercial Off The Shelf) strategy to help reduce systems costs. Bad press about $600 toilet seats and $2000 screwdrivers made them shift from custom-designing and building everything to buying off the shelf.
I remember studying the synthetic aperture radar system for the F-15. It had a 500 MFlop-equivalent processor for doing FFTs and came out in the mid-60s -- definitely way past the leading edge. Then I noticed that the F-22, being designed in the 90s was only going to use a 20MHz i860. At the time, commerical CPUs were pushing past 100 MHz and the F-22 wasn't even first flown until 1997 and won't be in routine service until 2005. Now I'm sure they've upgraded the avionics for faster CPUs but I'd bet that when it enters service it will be at least 2 to 4 doublings behind commerically-available hardware.
Looking at current IT, I'd say that the military has contributed little to the most recent advancements in CPU and communications (how much of does Intel get from govt contracts vs. commercial sales? How about Cisco? or Nokia?). I'm sure the government buys lots of stuff from these vendors, but I'd also bet that its a minority of these company's business volumes and strategic concerns. Intel & Cisco design their new products for the commercial market, not the military market these days.
Yes, the military played a huge role in getting tech off the ground in the 50s, 60s, and 70s. But somewhere in the late 80s and 90s, commerical applications became the driving force in tech. The DoD's move to COTS and the mass-adoption of tech in everyday life has put the military in the backseat on mainstream tech development.
Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do.
Face it: sex is the driving force behind our [and every] species, so its no surprise that almost all of our cultural structures seem to largely depend on it somehow.
I'd argue that sex itself has nothing to do with it - it's the incredible preoccupation and obsession with it that comprises this "driving force."
I'm still trying to figure out what's 'adult' about most 'adult' content, since much of it depicts a complete absence of restraint, common sense, and reality in general - all the things we're told are important while growing up. Either we're massive hypocrites, or they really are important.
There's this guy who sits close by where I work - I get the impression that he thinks he's a real savvy dude. What he doesn't know is that I know everything he does on the network- including all the hardcore porn sites he visits. It's sad, but I get a good laugh out out of it.
Welcome to the failures club!
This is off-topic, dont bother modding me down for it, I just want to comment on Symbolic's sig:
Slashdot must not ever have editing of posts for one simple reason, that it would remove accountability (and be psychotic if it allowed mod'ed posts to be edited). Imagine trying to understand a nested message board like this, with comments about parent posts, etc., when people repeatedly edited their posts? It would become impossible to understand what was going on...
Worse, what if your post was modded to 5, then you edited it to be innappropriate? The entire point of moderation - to bring good ideas to the forfront - would be ruined.
"Stumble before you crawl"
"I don't think it's anything to be ashamed of, and if as a race we could be more open with our sexuality, it wouldn't cause so many other problems."
Couldn't agree more. BTW is your girlfriend home?
"Your morals so low that you'd go to work for a pornographer?"
What the hell is that? Is porn really that repulsive to you?
Wireless is cool, but the future is 3D porn, IMO. Not that silly rendered crap (although anyone that's seen Jue in The Animatrix might be tempted to disagree...), but stereoscopic. There's a shed load of mpegs and various movies, even interactive, but I dare some adult webmasters to try some 3D imagery. The problem I guess is that you can't buy "stock" images, but try out "jiggle vision" first, then get more serious.
Viewing can be either "jiggle" style, red/blue glasses, or send out viewing goggles to subscribers willing to pay for them. With large bandwidth you can provide movies this way too, and if differentiates you from the plethora of skin merchants out there.
Forget thrust, drag, lift and weight. Airplanes fly because of money.
The porn industry has always been a driving force in widespread adoption of technology.
Think VCRs, would they be so popular without porn?
Porn certainly didn't invent or build the internet but it exposed the internet to households across the world that otherwise would never use it.
Without porn the internet would be used by geeks in a very limited niche of technology.
Porn brought the internet to the massess
cough
two cans and a string, now that's innovation
its also what killed betamax
pr0n industry refused to use sony's format while shifting from theater based pornos to VHS home video.
Now, my 8-Bit Atari days with my 1030/300bps modem sucked!
Before electricity, they had to HAND-DELIVER each bit, usually a bunch grouped together on a piece of paper, and/or use fire and smoke to send a simple message!
-C. Kessel
Seriously, it was research I tell you!
Just look for it :P
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Because your post was modded up, I think a response is order.
I'm remain unconvinced that there aren't ways to deal with each of the scenarios you've mentioned. Most notably: allow editing only within the first 10 minutes after posting. Next, forfeit any positive mod points received up to that point (which is unlikely anyway), and retain any negative mod points.
The problem is this: for whatever reason, there are errors that aren't caught before submission- even with the preview function available. It just happens. While most might not care, I tend to care about errors, and would prefer that there was a way to fix them.
How does one become an adult webmaster
There are a couple of ways to do it. The first method involves having a very willing girlfriend that has a lot of friends who aren't afraid to take their clothes off. If you date a stripper or a wanna-be porn starlet, you're set.
The second method is more difficult now, but basically, find a niche and fill it. Unfortunately, most of the common fetishes (big breasts, asians, lesbian, blonds, etc.) are already represented by some very well-established sites, so what you're left with is catering to the Fat Asian Foot-Fetishists out there. Not very enjoyable work, and hard-as-hell to get content.
Personally, I worked with a photographer for a few years, and we did a number of shoots for strippers who wanted to become models. The problem is, most strippers simply don't have the right looks or height to be a model. But we would shoot them regardless, since they paid our bills.
We decided to offer free publicity shots (since we kept the publishing rights), and word got around. Mind you, Joe Photo won't be able to pull this off. The key to being a successful photographer is looking like a successful photographer: plenty of strobes, lots of tripods hanging on the walls, a proper studio, tearsheets casually tossed about, etc.. The photog I worked with probably had a hundred grand invested in equipment.
The nice thing about strippers is that they tend to be a bit crazy to begin with, and if you're reasonably cool they won't have a problem doing crazy shit in front of a camera. In their minds, it beats having to ass-grind some fat slob at a club any day of the week.
This can get expensive, however, depending on location. Which is the next point: go where the talent is. We worked on the East Coast, and there's just not a lot of girls going into porn over here. And the strippers? Well, your standards tend to drop when you have a real-flesh-and-blood girl dancing for you, but for an online audience the bar is raised considerably. Your girls either better be extremely attractive, have enormous breasts, or be willing to do some pretty extreme stuff if you're going to keep up with the competition.
So, if you really want to be a PornGod, here's my advice. First, move to L.A. -- there's a lot more "talent" (ha!) to be had for a lot less dough. Learn some basic studio photography, then shell out a couple grand for a prosumer digital camera and some strobes. Rent a studio someplace that's easy to get to by public transportation (bus, train, whatever). Or, make friends with a photographer that's already established and shares your enthusiasm for naked chicks and doesn't mind ruining his professional career (i.e., his day job). That's not to say that your name will get dragged through the mud if you go into porn, but it's a risk.
Once you've got that, set up a website with a host that won't boot you for hosting porn. Set up your site, plan what kind of market you're aiming at, and start filling it with stuff you find on USENET. Yes, it's not really legal, but if there's no (c) on the picture, and you're still small-time, you can consider it fair game. Now comes the fun part...
Head down to your local strip club. You're not going for a lap dance, so try and be professional and curteous. Really look at the girls -- don't just oggle their nakedness. If you don't see anyone that catches your eye, move on to the next place. Try to remain as objective as you can (it gets easier the more you do it). If you find a couple of girls you like, approach them after a routine when they're walking around the club. Tell them your name, what you would like to use them for, and hand them a business card. Look at her eyes, not her tits, and you're more likely to be taken seriously. Tell them how much you're paying for a shoot, and ask them to pass along the information to anyone they think might be interested.
Don't engage them in a long conversation, since they're technically on the clock and y
Unless your future boss is an unfeeling android...
So tell us, what's your major ?
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Ah, now I understand.
If porn is a recession-proof industry, why are so few porn companies listed on the stock market? I would *much* rather see my retirement money being used to produce something of value like this, than wasted on WorldCom and Enron scandals.
By searching boycott lists from religious fundamentalist groups, it is possible to find some publicly traded porn companies. There is also the Vice Fund, but that is mostly drinking and gambling, not airbrushed silicone.
Where is the Vangard T&A 44DD Fund when you need it?
Hmmh. But isn't that nitpicking? It's like saying food isn't a major factor in human behaviour, it's the hunger? Drive really is based on human (or any animal) biological goal to multiply and generate offsprings, which means sex. And although porn is "only" a subsitute to having sex, it is still closely related... So saying sex is a driving force, IMO, is not all that far off. And of course it also goes without saying that this "obsession" is rather natural phenomenon, since nature wanted to make 110% sure animals (including humans) never accidentally forget to generate offsprings. It's not a bug, it's a feature.
I'm still trying to figure out what's 'adult' about most 'adult' content, since much of it depicts a complete absence of restraint, common sense, and reality in general
That's called "fantasizing", and yes, it is peculiar that it's associated with term "adult" (or rather, "adult" being euphenism for sexual fantasies), in english language. I'm not sure I follow importance of absence of some of things needed in real life; that's what defines fantasy, and there's nothing bad about that. It's what ALLOWS us to act in more controlled manner in Real World; having the optionn to fantasize about alternatives.
Note, too, that term "adult" isn't necessarily used in other languages; they definitely have their own ways of implying erotic or pornographic content, without using same terms (in finnish, for example, it's not "adult magazines" but "men's magazines"... but most other things are referred to as either porn [if one condemns it] or erotic [if it's ok by whoever refers to it]).
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That's only if pornography is wrong by your moral standards (which is true for significant portion of US population, granted)... that is, it certainly is a risk, but not a death sentence to one's career; I would still think that:
- From technical standpoint, if you can present actual duties as related to your new job, and
- Hiring person is not a total tool, and understands that developers in on-line porn industry are much like developers of other on-line content (ie. they are generally not porn actors, nor photographers, nor sleazy pimps etc).
it should be possible to get experience working for a porn site seem attractive in many cases.Problems you present are not even really unique to porn industry; same issues would surface if one had worked for any of more controversial organizations; being a web-master of, say, anti/pro-abortion groups, green peace, republican/democratic senator, sierra club, NRAA, ACLU, even boy scouts; there are always people who would think you are immoral low-life bastard for working for such a despicable group of half-criminals (whatever group it is).
It is curious, though, that pornography is one thing that both ends of political spectrum seem to despise. Progressive liberals claim it's against women's rights somehow; conservatives claim it to be sin somehow. Only libertarians and real liberals (not what is called "liberal" in US) are reasonably neutral in the issue.
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If I'm hiring someone to take care of online marketing, they BETTER have porn on the resume.
Porn marketeers are the innovators... there's NO competition like online porn competition. In fact, I'd wager that if you take any SEO (search engine optimizer) who works in porn and ask him to get a page one listing for "widgets" in any SE, it will take him/her less than a week.
Why promote porn? Where else are you gonna get $30 commission? Where else are you gonna get that kind of volume?
Every invention of the 20th century has been in some way related to sex.
Cars. Drive off somewhere to get sex, or have sex in a private portable room.
Phones. Call people, arrange to meet them. Have sex.
TVs. Watch people having sex. Boobs, too.
VCRs. See TVs.
Internet. Watch people having sex. Contact people around the world in order to meet and have sex with them. Also, look at porn.
DVDs. See VCRs, only with multiple camera angles for Matrix-style camerawork during porn scenes.
anata sekai o kakumei surush ga nai deshou? Anata no susumu michi wa yoi shite arimasu.
However, I usually end up searching for other porn sites and then get programs from Suprnova
- Kaos games and encryption systems developer
Hmmh. But isn't that nitpicking? It's like saying food isn't a major factor in human behaviour, it's the hunger?
Actually you bring up an interesting point. Hunger is a natural human drive (as is sex), but in the U.S. at least, I hear mention after mention that as a society, we overeat, and, as a result, are overweight, and are less healthy. So, I'd put this in the very same behavioral category: that of excessive focus on an activity which, though necessary, can lead to negative, or even disastrous results.
"Just like there's no windows in a strip club, you shouldn't be able to see inside windows in a car when they're watching X-rated movies," said Carlton, a 26-year-old from Gurnee, Illinois.
More and more Americans are buying vehicles with DVD players, usually to keep the kids entertained. But an increasing number of other people on the road are catching a glimpse through the windows of more than just "Finding Nemo" and "SpongeBob SquarePants."
Depending on where they are driving or parked, motorists could face fines and even jail time for screening X-rated stuff. But where the law may not be clear, some are calling for tighter regulation.
"Residents should not be subjected to those obscenities," said Flint City Councilwoman Carolyn Sims, who is examining whether an ordinance packing a $500 fine is needed. "They do have a right to have peace and tranquility and not to have this exposure to sex in their face."
A driver in Schenectady, New York, was arrested last month after rolling past police with a DVD titled "Chocolate Foam" playing on the passenger-side sun visor in his Mercedes-Benz, authorities said. The movie also was rolling on screens set into the car's headrests.
The driver was accused of breaking state laws prohibiting watching TV while driving, as well as another law making it illegal to exhibit sexually explicit material in a public place.
"The detective had a clear view of what was playing through the window. Anyone walking by on the street could have seen it," Schenectady police Lt. Peter Frisoni Jr. said of the nighttime traffic stop. "If he had dark, tinted windows where you couldn't see in, that wouldn't be a public display."
As for Carlton, she was driving in the Chicago suburb of Buffalo Grove with her daughter when Catherine glimpsed the sexually explicit movie. The experience last fall upset the girl and angered Carlton.
Carlton and her husband sat down with Catherine and offered the best explanation they could. Since then, Carlton has spotted other motorists with explicit movies playing, including a couple watching from the back seat of their car in a store parking lot.
"You're not allowed to have sex in your car, so why are you allowed to watch it?" Carlton asked.
Most states, including Michigan, have laws that make it illegal to watch TV while driving. Laws governing the exhibition of pornography vary by state, but experts say they could be applied to drivers as well.
"I think those restrictions would apply if the content is located in a vehicle," said Jeff Matsuura, director of the law and technology program at the University of Dayton. "You have effectively moved beyond the privacy of your own home."
During the day, it is often difficult to see what is playing inside another vehicle. But at night, the screens are easily visible from a passing car or a vehicle stopped alongside at a traffic light. The screens are also getting bigger.
In Flynt, Sims took up the issue after hearing from a woman who was driving with her 5-year-old when she spotted porn playing on a vehicle's 13-inch TV screen. A police officer who happened to see the display pulled over the driver, Sims said, but let him off with a warning.
To Sims, a 23-year police veteran who retired in 2001, playing an explicit movie in view of other motorists or pedestrians is akin to flashing or having sex in a public place.
But Michigan State Police, who have not had any cases of in-car porn, say playing an X-rated movie might not be easy to prosecute unless it can be proved that the motorist intended for others to see it.
Unless the person hiring you has an account at Sluts-R-us.com, and loves your work.
Moderation Totals: Flamebait=2, Troll=1, Redundant=1, Insightful=6, Overrated=1, Underrated=1, Total=12. (not mine)
I once did research into steganography, and could download HUGE porn archives at work for my research.
Porn was the technology testbed for innovative content delivery nearly a decade ago. At the time I was working for a major UK magazine publisher, launching and then running what were at the time some of the busiest web sites in Europe. We regularly looked at porn sites so we could steal the best new ideas.
You know your a geek when .......
you've had more computers than girl friends.
I have a lot of subscriptions for adult websites. Is it the same?
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Google doesn't seem to do so well in pr0n, but how about Xahara.com? They've got a nice (and biased :)) article on the state of the 'adult search industry'.
I can envisage a Wikipedia-style of editing, where all earlier versions are available. However, this is an ephemeral discussion board, not the proceedings of Congress. I make dumb typos and wish I could fix them. But I realise that would require a big increase in complexity of the system, and would be mostly used by trolls.
If I say something that I later wish to retract, I just follw myself up and say so. I think that's sufficient.
I think it would be more accurate to say that the military is still the leader in DEVELOPING such technology, while the porn industry is the leader of finding innovative uses for such technology.
;)
Yes, the military was responsible for many previous inventions. See my other replay for why the military lost that lead in the 90s
The porn industry didn't invent the VCR or the net, they just figured out some awesome ways to use it.
I don't think that the military developed or drove the invention of the VCR . Video tape recording inventions were driven by broadcasters and consumer electronics. At least, I doubt that Japanese companies had the military in mind when JVC introduces VHS in 1976 in Japan and Sony invented Betamax.
At best, one could say the (German) military played a role in moving magnetic recording out of the lab -- I'm not sure if the Danish inventor of magnetic recording was military-motivated. But the military's role in developing new recording media ended decades ago. CDs, DVDs, Flash Memory were developed by consumer electronics makers and not for military needs.
I'm not even sure that one could say that the military developed that much of the net. They certainly contributed a bunch of money to it (for which I thank them). And the whole route-around-damage feature is definitely military in origin. But I suspect that a truly military-developed internet would not be fragile to the array of viruses, DDoS attacks, DNS fragility, spoofing, smurfing, etc. that the current net seems prone to (At least I hope not).
My premise is that the military has ceased to the the driver of innovation that it once was and that it lost its leadership in the early 90s. Once technology became inexpensive and widely adopted, consumer and business applications outstripped military applications as the driver for innovation and development in the world.
P.S. Love your sig -- hope this reply does not taunt the "happy fun ball"
Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do.
I'm still trying to figure out what's 'adult' about most 'adult' content
I suppose that's borderline trolling, since I doubt you ACTUALLY can't figure it out. It seems pretty obvious to me that it's called "adult" content to make it obvious that it is inappropriate for children.
There's this guy who sits close by where I work - I get the impression that he thinks he's a real savvy dude. What he doesn't know is that I know everything he does on the network- including all the hardcore porn sites he visits. It's sad, but I get a good laugh out out of it.
That last sentence can be interpreted several ways...
Slashdot quality declines as the number of hot grits posts decreases. - Provolt's Law, Apr-09-2005
You can push that 2000 years before Gutenburg if you consider the naughty pictures on Greek and Roman vases that made them sell better.
So tell us, what's your major ?
Underwater basket weaving.
I'm sure this is already becoming a fledgling industry, but combining net surfing with person to person digital picture phones with live streaming video, and guess what? Porn you can hold in one (ahem) hand. Picture phones are already being banned from locker rooms due to surreptitious snapshots of naked people, how long will it be before those people are intentionally naked? I'm telling you, the next big thing will be cellporn, replacing porn surfing and boring old phone sex...
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I run several adult sites. It's not easy to make money, but not as hard as on mainstream sites. :)
I rule my own network where I have my own paysites, my own TGPs, my own galleries and my own scripts to manage that all. I use only my own scripts, so they do exactly what I want them to do (precise customer targeting, best pay method selection per surfer, etc...)
Having the complete puzzle I make more money than lots of other adult webmasters and I have way less traffic than them.
Of course I manage my own servers and code my own scripts. This is not usual because most adult webmasters are complete computer iliterates and don't even know how to power on their own machines.
If you have good tech skills you for shure will make crazy money... so it's worth the effort
And this is the secret phrase for success: Izberete balgarskiya produkt.
If we allowed editing after moderation, even if the editing was after a line that said "Moderation--------" this would result in a new type of troll: the 5 Insightful troll with a goatse.cx link.
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sorry, had to say it.
There should be 3 things that make a post uneditable:
- Someone responds to the post
- Someone moderates the post
- A hard time limit passes
A time limit alone isn't good enough. Once someone responds or moderates, a post should be set in stone.Why is it that the proponents of "one nation under God" are so eager to get rid of "liberty and justice for all"?
leave your minor OCD behind the firewall! ok, kidding, don't take that seriously.
:)
10 minutes is way to long, especially if you were one of the first 100 posts. those get modded up/down faster than others. 1 minute might be more reasonable as it allows for errors to be caught after submission but doesn't allow for big changes after moderation.
errors or no errors, editing posts isn't suitable here, in my opinion. If you really care about your errors, just slow down, preview, read it backwards (helps catch spelling errors), copy and paste it into a program that can grammar/spell sheck for you, or whatever. you have the tools to proofread, just use them.
io for one don't care abou tmy tpying mistakes. ha! i'll just leave those typos in there to prove it
Porn industry has this weirdest characteristics that most of their server side technology is on *nix platforms while the client side technology is on Windows/Mac. Streaming video, pay-per-view, interactive chat, whatever... all will be a hell to get working well on linux platform... definitely not for the faint of heart.
If any moderation is forfeited as I've suggested, what's the difference?
I worked for years for insurances and switched last year to the porn biz. Never seen so much unprofessional things (maybe working for siemens but that is another story) happen before. but somehow it works. I guess that everyone who says that 'porn' is responsible for inovations - .... you never worked really in this business.
BUT - how it really works - in the porn business: ppl know how to steal, copy, clone and use not yet common technology and inovations for their own purpose as long it is simple or they buy some innovative minds(like virus programmers for sending spam emails)
That makes the impression that porn create the innovations but they make them only popular.
And porn as cashcow is going down 'cause in few years there will be even more free stuff be out there and everyone will know how to get it...
it must change like music industrie does
Forfieting moderation would be unfair to the moderator... they will have wasted their mod points modding something up which will now never be seen. If the original post was worthy of an up-mod, it should remain intact.
Why is it that the proponents of "one nation under God" are so eager to get rid of "liberty and justice for all"?
First Version:
Porn is for Losers!
by Some_Jerkface on Friday March 12, @12:00 AM (#12343242)
You are all wrong, porn has never been a source of innovation, only the growth of perverts! Anyone who has ever looked at porn should go to hell!After edit:
Concern over Child Pornography
by Some_Jerkface on Friday March 12, @12:00 AM (#12343242)
One thing that concerns me is the growth of child pornography over the Internet. Again, the porn industry (in this case, the child porn industry) is more techonologically advanced than the government that is trying to stop it. Ultimately, the only thing that will end child porn is if every loser that looks at these photos is sent to jail.Obviously, you can see the sort of confusion that could result from posting edits. Moderation is just the tip of the iceberg. Once you edit a comment, replies to it could make no sense, or have a completely different meaning!
If you post something and it has a goof in it, I'd just laugh it off.
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