First off, I support having a military, I was in the military once myself. I also have no quarrels with the troops unlucky enough to be serving in Iraq right now. I feel for them. However you need to get with reality.. Iraqis are not and were not a threat to America. Basicly what country is ?? really ? none. Terrorist groups existed before 9/11 and will exist after we leave Iraq. If I got together a group of people and attacked Poland, it would be a bit extreme of Poland to invade the US, but even stranger if they invaded Canada since that is not where my hypothetical group is from.
What this is doing to us, here in the US, is not making it safer.. get real. We are making more enemies. Sure we have created a battle ground in Iraq, where the crazies can come and fight their jihad, but is that eliminating their cause or giving it more growth ? For every non-American that dies over in Iraq there are family and freinds behind the scenes that will to remember it. Revenge begats revenge.. It's an extremely difficult cycle to stop once you've started.. think about that.
Stop playing psychriatrist on what I know you call "those people", realize they are your workers whom you should appreciate, and cough up the dough for the coffee. (A nice place to work)
Or..
have no coffee anywhere except vending machines. (um.. sure I like working here)
You know, more and more companies no longer have "sick days". or "Christmas bonus's" and this is in the US, which among the hardest working people in the world. (compare the number of work days amongst the countries of the world).. and you want to worry over the cost of a cup of coffee ?
The world would go on. I would imagine that efforts in Linux development would increase, fine tuning what is already very usable., and then there are also Apples products... and for games well I suppose you could get a playstation or something like that.. Nope, no armageddon, the worlds economy will not collapse, and humans will survive.
The crime control model desires to protect the rights of law-abiding citizens by stressing efficient apprehension and punishment of criminals.
Most Policemen jump for joy at the idea of the crime control model
The "apprehension" part is cool, but it is in no way whatsoever the job of the police to "punish" anyone. Even if they don't like what the person is suspected of doing (or has done). If you want to punish people, then you become a prosecutor, judge, or work in the prison system.
The fact that nowdays an officer can shoot you because you didn't follow his verbal instruction to his liking, and it be acceptable, tells me our society is screwed. This whole "gung ho" "I watched to many movies" way the police are acting now is just wrong. The average citizen is in much more danger from these types, than he is from them. It's a damn paranoid country.
Thanks, haven't used KDE for a long while. I haven't found it in gnome (doesn't mean it doesn't exist though)
I switch alot between gnome/xfce4. I really like xfce, and I think the next release is going to be the one that keeps me permanently there...(yeah right, like any Linux user is permanently satisfied with anything)
You might consider a linux system running XFCE4 as the gui instead of gnome or KDE. (although in linux land you can have em all and the command line too !) XFCE4 "goodies" includes a little "mini commandline" on the task bar.. you can of course do the same thing by opening a terminal, or using "Run" from the kde or gnome taskbars, but the xfce mini command thingy is always there.
If you like batch files, you'll love linux
Here's a "try before you buy"... go to www.xfld.org and burn a bootable (and installable) CD
XFCE4 is working on their next version, but this version is a good intro.
I tried searching "bike jersey", and I don't get what your saying. Of 10 results only 1 was not a place to purchase a bike jersy, and that was was an article on how to buy a bike jersey. Clicking Froogle also gave places and pictures of jerseys.
I have run into "link farms", so I know what you mean, but the example you gave didn't do that to me.
I disagree with your "most people" statement. It is just as practical, although different.
Your custom apps, are programs purchased to go with the operating system you had. Starting from scratch, I am certain you would have worked with what was available for Linux if that was the operating system. You may have not found equivelant applications, but you would have worked around it or differently.
I don't like the wine solution either.
I am a home user.. I can dual boot into XP, and I use my computer for alot more than internet and email. I just do it in Linux because it's more snappy. I can't beleive the crap that an XP user has to willingly experince in just booting up the system. or using apps like a DVD player, or burning software, or Office, or anything. You may like XP, but it drives me nuts.
I think usr/bin/ is equivelant to "program files" in that there is where you will find most of the binaries, or links to binaries. The problem for most people is that there are also a ton of "command line" binaries in there as well, making the directory HUGE and harder to find the gui executable you are looking for in a program you might have just installed, unless you specificly know it's name.
I know, that there are also times where you won't find it in usr/bin/ and there is probably a logical reason behind it, I would imagine. In those cases, it's a pain to find the name of the executable and first see if it will "just run" by typing the exec.. or if you have to have the full path for it to run (I wont get into permissions).. and then make your own launcher or add it to the menu.
The "automatic" installation of programs to the "menu" for programs added seems to me, to be getting better.. not 100 percent, but better.
I have had similar problems, although everything working cool now with Debian Sarge (running gnome not KDE).. you might try using your file manager and right-clicking the CD drive and see if there is an option "unmount" once unmounted the CD will probably eject using the button or with the software eject.... anyway don't know for certain, but try it, better than rebooting.
Colin Powell, February 2001: "[Saddam] has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors. So in effect, our policies have strengthened the security of the neighbors of Iraq."
Condoleeza Rice, July 2001: "We are able to keep his arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt."
The Downing Street Memo, July 2002:
There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.
George W. Bush
Speech to UN General Assembly
September 12, 2002:
Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.
Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
January 9, 2003:
We know for a fact that there are weapons there.
George W. Bush
Address to the Nation
March 17, 2003:
Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.
Donald Rumsfeld
ABC Interview
March 30, 2003:
We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.
Paul Wolfowitz
Vanity Fair interview
May 28, 2003:
For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction (as justification for invading Iraq) because it was the one reason everyone could agree on.
Quote - "I then insert the DVD entitled "Applications and Device Drivers""
Where did you get this CD ? did it come with Windows ? or was it provided by the manufacturer of your laptop ?... you see you are praising Windows for providing everything, but it is not. Your laptop manufacturer put it together to make it easy for you, and I am sure if they wanted to they could put together just such a CD for Ubuntu.
Although it will probably never happen, this is where a Linux distro could make it's mark.. by supplying to the manufacturers of laptops not only the install ISO's but ISO's supplying all the drivers that work with that model (just like what you had with your extra CD) Then it would just be a case of the manufaturer of having it available for download. The problem is, it would require that they "support" it.. so not gonna happen. I suppose that Ubuntu or some other Distro could do this as well, making a collection of driver ISO's for different models
Both you and the parent poster share one thing.. paranoia
Not that you both don't have some facts that support your fears. The parent has seen some troubling actions by the government, and you have seen some troubling actions by terrorist groups.
I think your both nuts.. but don't feel bad, I think the whole country is nuts. There was a time when parents let their kids go "trick-or-treating" on Halloween.. then came the stories of poison candy, and razor blade apples.. now maybe there had been something like that that happened, I don't know, because I never saw in the news where someone was arrested, or that some kid died.. but I think this is where the paranoia started, everyone has become so suspicious of everone else.. and now.. I don't bother buying candy, because no ones coming.
I am not scared of terrorists at all, and I am not scared of the government doing anything to me either. That doesn't mean I agree with either of them, I just choose not to live in fear.
freakin country is full of pansies, that's why cops are so quick to shoot people these days. Freind of mine was stopped, and guns drawn they asked him to sloooowly remove the pen from his pocket.. deadly weapon.. sheesh... country full of pansies
Nah, a "professional" would have just duplicated the drive. That way no investigation if any kind would be necessary, since nothing was missing. They do it all the time on Alias, they even do it wirelessly with a lipstick gadget.
I've always liked xfce, and I use it as my main window manager most of the time (although I do switch to gnome now and then). This has been needed, Rox-filer I just couldn't stand.. XFFM a little better, and at least usable. I am very glad they are putting together something new.
What I myself finaly did, was install xfe (x file explorer) which I like. The problem with xfe though, is that it will also install the fox toolkit, using up some space. When the next xfce is released I will probably trash everything and try it (probably with XFLD) stand alone for awhile.
I understand your frustration. I have been into Linux for about 8 years now, and even I run into snags. I went through a stage where I collected and installed MANY different distros to try them out. For me, the Debian based distros (Ubuntu is one) offered the best experience because of synaptic (the gui for installing programs). Ubuntu itself was ok, but I ran into problems finding some packages that I wanted, so I went stock Debian.
The video driver problem for 3d that you talk about.. been there (with Nvidia anyway) and it is frustrating. But what you have to realize is that all these differnt distros are using different Linux kernels. If Windows was tweaked, upgraded, and changed at the same rate as Linux "at the kernel level" then you would have the same problems in Windows. If you are using Debian Sarge (stable) or Ubuntu with stock kernel, I would think that there would be no problem getting video drivers.. it's when you have to go for the bleeding edge (eperimental) stuff that you start running into headaches.
Some printers can be a nigtmare that's very true. HP creates Linux drivers for many of their products.. Kudo's to them. Those that don't, well that means somebody will have to write one, and there are many such. I think it a bit unfair to blame Linux for this. If a hardware manufacturer makes a product with drivers for a PC but not Mac, and you own a Mac do you blame Apple ?
I don't see how Synaptic is confusing for installing things. It's organized by catagory, and you can search for software by name or keyword. It's easier than going to "download.com", searching, downloading, and then installing.
It's been said many times.. start with a blank hard drive, installing and configuring Linux is not that much more difficult than Windows. Windows also has it's learning curve, and nobody knows how to do everything without learning it.. web, books, help files etc..
Most hackers (golfing not computing) won't benifit much from the yardage. It's all about strokes after all. 300 yards out of bounds will cost you, when a straight 3 wood might have set up up pretty.
When you can hit your driver straight most of the time, you might benifit with these "power drivers", but I think way too many golfers spend too much time worrying about yardage, when they should worry about strokes.
Granted that you are right that most people just want things to "work out of the box"
However, there is a certain satisfaction in solving problems. Sometimes the longer it takes the more intense your feeling of accomplishment. I have run into problems that took days to solve in both Windows and Linux, and there is nothing like waking up the neighbors at 3 am yelling "YES !" when it finaly works.
Programs available for OSX are simple to install and are GUARANTEED to run on all Macs without any special user knowledge about specific flavors or configuration settings needed.
Programs available for DEBIAN Sarge are simple to install and are GUARANTEED to run on all PCs without any special user knowledge about specific flavors or configuration settings needed.
REPOSITORY... A place to download software, organized by specific distribution. The repository will also contain any other software/libraries that the software being downloaded will need. These Dependencies are managed by APT
STABLE... Currently Debian Sarge. The Repository for this distribution of Debian contains software that has been extensivly tested, and determined stable.
SYNAPTIC... A graphical front-end to Apt-Get. It contains a menu of programs sorted by catagory, and you can also search for programs by name, or keywords.
In summary.. (too late) If you want something Guarenteed to work, the Debian repository system is hard to beat.. If I get it there, I know it's been tested, and I know where it came from. and I know that it won't contain any hidden spyware/adware crap.. But mostly I know it will work.
Not bashing OSX btw.
Computer compatability of Linux is comparable to Windows, pretty much any PC you can install Windows on, you can install Linux on.
As to application software, there have been some vendors who made Linux versions of their games.. but I get your inference.. the answer is that yes there can be binaries that run on ANY flavor of Linux, and there ARE... However, are there binaries that don't run on every flavor ? yes there are.
I bittorrented (is it a verb ?) all the episodes from the begginning and watched them like a really long movie. In my opinion, a pretty cool show. It has been a little tough recently waiting to see where the heck they are going with it, but I highly reccommend someone to do what I did, start from the beginning, and watch em all.
I am not sure what your critera for being considered a "distro" is.. but Knoppix can install to your hard-drive. You basicly end up with a Debian based system.
Been awhile since I tried Xandros, but it didn't cost me anything to try (I know if you want to keep Crossover it costs) It was fairly slick looking, but I am a stock Debian/Gnome/Xfce user and the Xandros system repository constraints are what sent me back to stock Debian.
I don't think many in the position to make decisions about using Linux in their buisness spend any time at all pondering the "Open source community". They are more concerned with who they will use to make a switch, what type of support they would get, and whether their exisiting staff can function with it.
This whole "ponytail" buisness seems like someones uneducated wild-assed guess. If you were a buisness looking into such a move, you would look to another buisness to help you make the move. I am pretty darn sure that whoever came to visit and demonstrate would be a salesperson dressed as a salesperson.
Now to the crux of it.. Do the Linux distros themselve present themselves as "professional" ?
I think Novel/Suse does.. Redhat ?.. um kinda.
The "user distros" such as Ubuntu, Fedora, Debian, etc.. are great, but a hard sell to a corporation.
You should that that the Knoppix CD can install a linux system to your hard drive.. and that is one, count em one CD... With this you get a Debian based system, with KDE desktop, Open Office, and in total more than 900 installed software packages with over 2000 executable user programs, utilities, and games (this last part from Knoppix site)
I use Debian Sarge.. this was also 1 CD, it installs a base, then apt-gets the rest over the internet.. Ubuntu does the same.
You can also net-install Suse (at least you could awhile back) again 1 CD, and I once did it with a floppy... come on, I know your dying to call me a liar, but yes you can. Try, google, "net-install Suse floppy"... took a few tries to figure out my network card settings, but worked like a charm.
If you don't have a net connection, or your connection is dial-up, then installing from Knoppix is not a bad way to go actualy.
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However you need to get with reality.. Iraqis are not and were not a threat to America. Basicly what country is ?? really ? none. Terrorist groups existed before 9/11 and will exist after we leave Iraq. If I got together a group of people and attacked Poland, it would be a bit extreme of Poland to invade the US, but even stranger if they invaded Canada since that is not where my hypothetical group is from.
What this is doing to us, here in the US, is not making it safer.. get real. We are making more enemies. Sure we have created a battle ground in Iraq, where the crazies can come and fight their jihad, but is that eliminating their cause or giving it more growth ? For every non-American that dies over in Iraq there are family and freinds behind the scenes that will to remember it. Revenge begats revenge.. It's an extremely difficult cycle to stop once you've started.. think about that.
P.S. .. My apologies to Poland
Stop playing psychriatrist on what I know you call "those people", realize they are your workers whom you should appreciate, and cough up the dough for the coffee. (A nice place to work)
Or..
have no coffee anywhere except vending machines. (um .. sure I like working here)
You know, more and more companies no longer have "sick days". or "Christmas bonus's" and this is in the US, which among the hardest working people in the world. (compare the number of work days amongst the countries of the world).. and you want to worry over the cost of a cup of coffee ?
frickin penny pinching bean countin scrooge bastards
The world would go on. I would imagine that efforts in Linux development would increase, fine tuning what is already very usable., and then there are also Apples products... and for games well I suppose you could get a playstation or something like that.. Nope, no armageddon, the worlds economy will not collapse, and humans will survive.
Most Policemen jump for joy at the idea of the crime control model
The "apprehension" part is cool, but it is in no way whatsoever the job of the police to "punish" anyone. Even if they don't like what the person is suspected of doing (or has done). If you want to punish people, then you become a prosecutor, judge, or work in the prison system.
The fact that nowdays an officer can shoot you because you didn't follow his verbal instruction to his liking, and it be acceptable, tells me our society is screwed. This whole "gung ho" "I watched to many movies" way the police are acting now is just wrong. The average citizen is in much more danger from these types, than he is from them. It's a damn paranoid country.
It replaces the outdated.. Developer, Organic Rational Kind .. or (DORK)
I switch alot between gnome/xfce4. I really like xfce, and I think the next release is going to be the one that keeps me permanently there...(yeah right, like any Linux user is permanently satisfied with anything)
If you like batch files, you'll love linux
Here's a "try before you buy"... go to www.xfld.org and burn a bootable (and installable) CD
XFCE4 is working on their next version, but this version is a good intro.
I have run into "link farms", so I know what you mean, but the example you gave didn't do that to me.
Your custom apps, are programs purchased to go with the operating system you had. Starting from scratch, I am certain you would have worked with what was available for Linux if that was the operating system. You may have not found equivelant applications, but you would have worked around it or differently.
I don't like the wine solution either.
I am a home user.. I can dual boot into XP, and I use my computer for alot more than internet and email. I just do it in Linux because it's more snappy. I can't beleive the crap that an XP user has to willingly experince in just booting up the system. or using apps like a DVD player, or burning software, or Office, or anything. You may like XP, but it drives me nuts.
I know, that there are also times where you won't find it in usr/bin/ and there is probably a logical reason behind it, I would imagine. In those cases, it's a pain to find the name of the executable and first see if it will "just run" by typing the exec.. or if you have to have the full path for it to run (I wont get into permissions).. and then make your own launcher or add it to the menu.
The "automatic" installation of programs to the "menu" for programs added seems to me, to be getting better.. not 100 percent, but better.
I have had similar problems, although everything working cool now with Debian Sarge (running gnome not KDE).. you might try using your file manager and right-clicking the CD drive and see if there is an option "unmount" once unmounted the CD will probably eject using the button or with the software eject.... anyway don't know for certain, but try it, better than rebooting.
"[Saddam] has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors. So in effect, our policies have strengthened the security of the neighbors of Iraq."
Condoleeza Rice, July 2001:
"We are able to keep his arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt."
The Downing Street Memo, July 2002:
There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.
George W. Bush Speech to UN General Assembly September 12, 2002:
Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.
Ari Fleischer Press Briefing January 9, 2003:
We know for a fact that there are weapons there.
George W. Bush Address to the Nation March 17, 2003:
Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.
Donald Rumsfeld ABC Interview March 30, 2003:
We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.
Paul Wolfowitz Vanity Fair interview May 28, 2003:
For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction (as justification for invading Iraq) because it was the one reason everyone could agree on.
There are more.. blatenly taken from this site.. http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WMDlies.html
Where did you get this CD ? did it come with Windows ? or was it provided by the manufacturer of your laptop ? ... you see you are praising Windows for providing everything, but it is not. Your laptop manufacturer put it together to make it easy for you, and I am sure if they wanted to they could put together just such a CD for Ubuntu.
Although it will probably never happen, this is where a Linux distro could make it's mark.. by supplying to the manufacturers of laptops not only the install ISO's but ISO's supplying all the drivers that work with that model (just like what you had with your extra CD) Then it would just be a case of the manufaturer of having it available for download. The problem is, it would require that they "support" it.. so not gonna happen. I suppose that Ubuntu or some other Distro could do this as well, making a collection of driver ISO's for different models
Not that you both don't have some facts that support your fears. The parent has seen some troubling actions by the government, and you have seen some troubling actions by terrorist groups.
I think your both nuts.. but don't feel bad, I think the whole country is nuts. There was a time when parents let their kids go "trick-or-treating" on Halloween.. then came the stories of poison candy, and razor blade apples.. now maybe there had been something like that that happened, I don't know, because I never saw in the news where someone was arrested, or that some kid died.. but I think this is where the paranoia started, everyone has become so suspicious of everone else.. and now.. I don't bother buying candy, because no ones coming.
I am not scared of terrorists at all, and I am not scared of the government doing anything to me either. That doesn't mean I agree with either of them, I just choose not to live in fear.
freakin country is full of pansies, that's why cops are so quick to shoot people these days. Freind of mine was stopped, and guns drawn they asked him to sloooowly remove the pen from his pocket.. deadly weapon.. sheesh... country full of pansies
What I myself finaly did, was install xfe (x file explorer) which I like. The problem with xfe though, is that it will also install the fox toolkit, using up some space. When the next xfce is released I will probably trash everything and try it (probably with XFLD) stand alone for awhile.
Isn't that ads' ? damn rules.. sheesh.
The video driver problem for 3d that you talk about.. been there (with Nvidia anyway) and it is frustrating. But what you have to realize is that all these differnt distros are using different Linux kernels. If Windows was tweaked, upgraded, and changed at the same rate as Linux "at the kernel level" then you would have the same problems in Windows. If you are using Debian Sarge (stable) or Ubuntu with stock kernel, I would think that there would be no problem getting video drivers.. it's when you have to go for the bleeding edge (eperimental) stuff that you start running into headaches.
Some printers can be a nigtmare that's very true. HP creates Linux drivers for many of their products.. Kudo's to them. Those that don't, well that means somebody will have to write one, and there are many such. I think it a bit unfair to blame Linux for this. If a hardware manufacturer makes a product with drivers for a PC but not Mac, and you own a Mac do you blame Apple ?
I don't see how Synaptic is confusing for installing things. It's organized by catagory, and you can search for software by name or keyword. It's easier than going to "download.com", searching, downloading, and then installing.
It's been said many times.. start with a blank hard drive, installing and configuring Linux is not that much more difficult than Windows. Windows also has it's learning curve, and nobody knows how to do everything without learning it.. web, books, help files etc..
When you can hit your driver straight most of the time, you might benifit with these "power drivers", but I think way too many golfers spend too much time worrying about yardage, when they should worry about strokes.
However, there is a certain satisfaction in solving problems. Sometimes the longer it takes the more intense your feeling of accomplishment. I have run into problems that took days to solve in both Windows and Linux, and there is nothing like waking up the neighbors at 3 am yelling "YES !" when it finaly works.
Programs available for DEBIAN Sarge are simple to install and are GUARANTEED to run on all PCs without any special user knowledge about specific flavors or configuration settings needed.
REPOSITORY... A place to download software, organized by specific distribution. The repository will also contain any other software/libraries that the software being downloaded will need. These Dependencies are managed by APT
STABLE... Currently Debian Sarge. The Repository for this distribution of Debian contains software that has been extensivly tested, and determined stable.
SYNAPTIC... A graphical front-end to Apt-Get. It contains a menu of programs sorted by catagory, and you can also search for programs by name, or keywords.
In summary.. (too late) If you want something Guarenteed to work, the Debian repository system is hard to beat.. If I get it there, I know it's been tested, and I know where it came from. and I know that it won't contain any hidden spyware/adware crap.. But mostly I know it will work.
Not bashing OSX btw.
Computer compatability of Linux is comparable to Windows, pretty much any PC you can install Windows on, you can install Linux on.
As to application software, there have been some vendors who made Linux versions of their games.. but I get your inference.. the answer is that yes there can be binaries that run on ANY flavor of Linux, and there ARE... However, are there binaries that don't run on every flavor ? yes there are.
I bittorrented (is it a verb ?) all the episodes from the begginning and watched them like a really long movie. In my opinion, a pretty cool show. It has been a little tough recently waiting to see where the heck they are going with it, but I highly reccommend someone to do what I did, start from the beginning, and watch em all.
btw.. the numbers are bad
Been awhile since I tried Xandros, but it didn't cost me anything to try (I know if you want to keep Crossover it costs) It was fairly slick looking, but I am a stock Debian/Gnome/Xfce user and the Xandros system repository constraints are what sent me back to stock Debian.
This whole "ponytail" buisness seems like someones uneducated wild-assed guess. If you were a buisness looking into such a move, you would look to another buisness to help you make the move. I am pretty darn sure that whoever came to visit and demonstrate would be a salesperson dressed as a salesperson.
Now to the crux of it.. Do the Linux distros themselve present themselves as "professional" ? .. um kinda.
I think Novel/Suse does.. Redhat ?
The "user distros" such as Ubuntu, Fedora, Debian, etc.. are great, but a hard sell to a corporation.
I use Debian Sarge.. this was also 1 CD, it installs a base, then apt-gets the rest over the internet.. Ubuntu does the same.
You can also net-install Suse (at least you could awhile back) again 1 CD, and I once did it with a floppy ... come on, I know your dying to call me a liar, but yes you can. Try, google, "net-install Suse floppy"... took a few tries to figure out my network card settings, but worked like a charm.
If you don't have a net connection, or your connection is dial-up, then installing from Knoppix is not a bad way to go actualy.