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Golf's Digital Divide

theodp writes "Are $50,000 simulators and $4,500 sensor vests driving a wedge between golf's haves and have-nots? That's the question posed by the WSJ, who reports that a new generation of expensive high-tech tools is stoking a costly arms race among golfers looking for an edge in a sport that already has an elitist reputation."

228 comments

  1. And lo, the day has come.... by Marko+DeBeeste · · Score: 5, Funny

    CyberSteroids for the men with little balls.

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  2. No way by MyLongNickName · · Score: 5, Funny

    You mean rich folks have an advantage? Damn. ll my life, there has been equality between the haves and the have nots. Especially in golf. Now, that is falling down like a house of cards.

    My life is over. Anyone want my user id before I go to end it all?

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    1. Re:No way by topham · · Score: 0

      Just what everyone wants, a user id with 6 digits in it.

      Why?

      Mine isn't much better, but at least it's under 32K.

    2. Re:No way by dl107227 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      no it's not.

    3. Re:No way by Rectal+Prolapse · · Score: 1

      Sure it is! 32K = 32768. ;)

      Hmmm, my ID is lower than his.

    4. Re:No way by ceoyoyo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Some people need to get a hobby. Oh, wait....

      There's a saying among photographers: the amateur says "gee, I wish I had better equipment." The professional says "gee, I wish I had more time." The master says "gee, I wish I had better light."

      Applies to lots of things, including golf, except you might have to change the light thing. Or maybe not.

    5. Re:No way by TubeSteak · · Score: 2, Funny

      With a name like "Rectal Prolapse" we don't need to see your UID to know that you're from a bygone era where goatse pics & links flourished in the forum that is /.

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    6. Re:No way by TubeSteak · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Applies to lots of things, including golf, except you might have to change the light thing. Or maybe not.
      They make contact lenses so you can change "the light thing".

      http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,70154-0.htm l
      "The lenses come in amber ..., and grey-green for sports like golf, where the background environment is what's visually important. Both colors filter out a significant amount of overall light, but they also sharpen and improve contrast, so they have a brightening effect, says Alan Reichow, who invented the lenses and is a sports vision consultant for Nike."

      There have been sunglasses around for a long time that can do this, but a contact lense provides the most minimal distortion possible.
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    7. Re:No way by Black-Man · · Score: 1

      So... you're saying spending $4,500 on an accessory is only for the "rich" and the $50K simulator, they are available at your local golf center to use for a nominal fee.

      Buddy... if this is your idea of being "rich", I wonder if you're not serving latte's at Starbucks for a living.

    8. Re:No way by NickCatal · · Score: 1

      I was just about to say... pay a few bucks and use one at a golf place nearby.

      I am hardly rich and play golf. You don't need a lot of money to play, get a friend to borrow clubs and go out to the driving range for a day. Although spending money on a really nice driver and taking that to the range is a ton of fun. /sucks at golf

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    9. Re:No way by outsider007 · · Score: 1

      try being middle class and explaining away a $4500 golf gizmo to the old lady sometime, douchebag.

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    10. Re:No way by alanoneil · · Score: 1

      I'd guess the golf version goes like so:

      The amateur says, "Gee, I wish I had better equipment." The rich man says, "Gee, I wish my opponent wouldn't beat me with lesser equipment." The professional says, "Why the hell are people WATCHING ME play a game that is so slow-paced it makes molasses look fast?! I just play to de-stress! It's not like I have to head off my opponent at the 8th hole and prevent his shot from counting! It's not basketball for chrissakes!"

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    11. Re:No way by NullPointer · · Score: 1

      With a name like "Rectal Prolapse" we don't need to see your UID to know that you're from a bygone era where goatse pics & links flourished in the forum that is /.

      Huh? Isn't "TubeSteak" the cause of goatse?

      Oh wait, with an ID like mine...

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    12. Re:No way by 70Bang · · Score: 1



      What's important isn't [always] necessarily the purpose of the game.

      It's the chitchat which goes on whilst playing. You aren't going to talk about various things going on whilst you are swimming laps or hanging out at the local go-kart racing.

      If you are good enough to play [and have enough to pay], you're stepping up to a higher level of access others may not have. Michael J. Fox steaming opening corporate mail as well as sneaking into executive meetings doesn't happen every day of the week. And should it occur, it's not going to be effective very long.


    13. Re:No way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's because the professional and the master already have better equipment.

    14. Re:No way by HTTP+Error+403+403.9 · · Score: 1
      Oh wait, with an ID like mine...
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    15. Re:No way by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      I don't know about golf, but in the case of photography the masters often prefer much less sophisticated equipment -- even down to homemade pinhole cameras. Lots of the professionals tend to choose more reasonable midrange equipment too. The difference is, they know there's a considerable amount of skill and judgement that the best equipment won't make up for.

    16. Re:No way by Ertman · · Score: 1

      You're just jealous :-)

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    17. Re:No way by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "try being middle class and explaining away a $4500 golf gizmo to the old lady sometime, douchebag."

      Try not being pussy-whipped....

      :-)

      I generally go by the golden rule, "He who makes the most gold, makes the rules"

      I don't generally have to explain what I spend money on for myself....and neither does she.

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    18. Re:No way by iamacat · · Score: 1

      Oh wait, with an ID like mine...

      Yeah, it's kind of hard to cause goatse with a null pointer

    19. Re:No way by outsider007 · · Score: 1

      Maybe the golden rule should be: don't be a selfish prick and spend money you can't afford on toys thus sacrificing the financial security of you and your loved ones.

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  3. This Just In! by 246o1 · · Score: 1

    A game for rich people continues to be dominated by rich people!

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    1. Re:This Just In! by Mathonwy · · Score: 2, Funny

      The problem with golf is that it is too subtle about being a "rich people game".

      Thus, I propose a NEW sport, which I humbly name "money-ball".

      The way it works is, you have a big bonfire. Throwing $20 into the bonfire gives you one point. The game continues until one side forfeits. Whoever has the most points at the end wins!

      Fun for hours!

    2. Re:This Just In! by LoRdTAW · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Golf is always stereo typed as a rich white mans sport. While many Private $100,000+ country clubs have the snobby atmosphere, the public courses do not. My friend got into golf after hearing of Tiger Woods. He got me to go to a driving range one day after allot of convincing. Well I enjoyed it, and began to play more often. Im not an avid golfer but I do have a set of cheap second hand clubs for when we go play. We play the local par 3 courses, pitch and putts, driving ranges and even the various mini golf courses to have fun while working on our putt. Its fun but you also see allot of young and diverse people. Once on a pitch and putt course I saw a bunch of the most ghetto black kids you can imagine with their own equipment playing. Golf still has that snobby rich guy image attached to it but overall everyone enjoys the sport, you just do see it portrayted that way in the media.

    3. Re:This Just In! by xavi62028 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      but do these things actually help golfers that much? They may just be a way to suck money out of rich people who can afford to throw their money down the drain (or hole in this case) There are always things for rich people to try to save a stroke or two on their gamek, but determination will always win out

    4. Re:This Just In! by Firehed · · Score: 2, Interesting
      everyone enjoys the sport
      You're not playing right. If you don't spend at least 40% of your time cursing, you're either really lucky or really high. As it is, my "breaking 80" refers to that percent rather than the score.
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    5. Re:This Just In! by ZoneGray · · Score: 1

      Well, golf has moved beyond being a rich person's game in recent years. But I can see the point of the article, and how spending more has really become an advantage. To keep it fair, when I play golf with somebody from the 'hood, I always give 'em odds on the $10,000 Nassau.

    6. Re:This Just In! by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1
      The way it works is, you have a big bonfire. Throwing $20 into the bonfire gives you one point.

      It'll never take off unless you come out with a line of instructional videos show the proper way to throw the money into the fire. And then of course some Throw Monitoring equipment to tell the player what he's doing wrong.

  4. I am shocked... by ScaryMonkey · · Score: 4, Funny

    SHOCKED to hear that technology might be introducing the taint of elitism into the great Everyman's Sport that is golf.

    1. Re:I am shocked... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is golf really a sport?

      Walking around under the sun, not even carrying clubs... oooop, little swing here... exhausting!

    2. Re:I am shocked... by Copid · · Score: 1

      As a bowler, I have to respond the same way I respond to that question when asked of my sport: Yes, it's a sport. However, the people who play it are not atheletes. Atheletes don't complain when playing makes them sweat, for example.

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    3. Re:I am shocked... by mshurpik · · Score: 1

      I am reminded of the person who said, "Baseball is not a sport."

      Good point, stamina does not come into play in golf, bowling, or baseball (except pitching). Still, these are valid games. I do enjoy bowling. Last time I bowled, I threw two strikes with a house ball and then started throwing gutterballs just to fit in. Suffice to say I haven't bowled since. Kind of a shame.

    4. Re:I am shocked... by homer_ca · · Score: 1

      It's a sport of skill, not of athleticism. I know all sports need some skill, but other sports balance skill and athleticism. In any sport of skill, you can increase your performance by spending more, whether it's for better equipment or expert coaching. The sensor vest sounds a lot like motion analysis. You can bet a lot of athletes use motion analysis at the top levels. The difference with golf is that hobbyists and amateurs often have a lot of money to throw at their game.

    5. Re:I am shocked... by drooling-dog · · Score: 1

      Oh my goodness... Can Polo be far behind?

    6. Re:I am shocked... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Golf is now a sport? What did this happen?

    7. Re:I am shocked... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ....stamina does not come into play in golf

      Try carrying a club bag for 18/36 holes and hitting consistantly.

  5. Golf sucks anyway by dbitch · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Someone had to say it first....

    1. Re:Golf sucks anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Golf is for white trash who think they are middle class.

    2. Re:Golf sucks anyway by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      I love to watch golf on TV. Something about the greens, sounds of nature, sounds of club/putter hitting the ball, and occasional golf clapping. It's so therapeutically soothing to the ear that it puts me to sleep.

      Some like the sounds of oceans, others wind charms. Me? I love the sound of golf. ZZZZZzzzzzzzz

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    3. Re:Golf sucks anyway by SCHecklerX · · Score: 1

      I concur. There is no reason to have more than 1 golf course in any area either. Friggin' waste of land. I'd rather have the trees and nice trails.

  6. Doesn't help by jimmyhat3939 · · Score: 4, Informative
    The funny thing about this stuff is that, except at the super-elite level, it's not proven to help very much. And, even guys like Tiger Woods don't really use equipment like this all that much. They spend most of their practice time either putting or working on specific shot situations on a real course.

    That's not to mention the fact that in golf a fair bit of the skill is in knowing what to do, not just how to do it.

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    1. Re:Doesn't help by timeOday · · Score: 1

      Having both the time and money to hit the course all the time says something in itself. Perhaps all the digital doodads are for CEOs who know gadgets aren't as good as the real thing, but the best you can do with 20 minutes to practice at the end of a long workday.

    2. Re:Doesn't help by Orrin+Bloquy · · Score: 1
      That's not to mention the fact that in golf a fair bit of the skill is in knowing what to do, not just how to do it.

      I believe you have golfing and fucking mixed up again.

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    3. Re:Doesn't help by The+Wooden+Badger · · Score: 1

      My brother is a teaching pro, and I've studied motor learning. You are going to get more out of $500 in lessons from a GOOD instructor that understands the fundamentals. If you get good feedback and perform the basic skills better, the overall game gets better. That and like you said most of the time pros practice they are working on putting and other specific things that happen a lot more than a long drive does (18 holes minus 2-4 par 3's and some more shorter par 4's and you're only looking at about 10-12 times all the fancy driving instruction comes to play out of 72 strokes for a scratch golfer). Get better at putting alone and your score improves by at least 10% for the average golfer.

      An anecdotal story my brother told me about something he saw at a PGA event: My brother was watching the people at the driving range. There were pros and amateurs there (Pro/Am event). My brother noticed that all the amateurs were teeing up and swinging to see how far they could get. The pros on the other hand were hitting at a target. It's a basic principle of motor learning. Make practice as much like competition as possible. If you are always hitting at a location in practice, you get better at hitting a target (green, flag, etc.) in a round. You just swing to hit long, that's all you get, and like I said before that only gives you a few extra yards on about 12 of 72 strokes.

      I'd say that guys like Tiger Woods wouldn't bother with this sort of thing because it is a gimmick to get people to get long drives. Pros understand that long drives are way down on the totem pole.

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    4. Re:Doesn't help by hdparm · · Score: 1

      Partly true. Tiger and other top players must do something to improve driving, though. At their level, ability to hit green in 2 on a long par 5 18 sometimes is the difference between a win and a loss. Or $700.000 in prize money.

    5. Re:Doesn't help by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1
      And, even guys like Tiger Woods don't really use equipment like this all that much.

      Maybe not the simulators, but *every* pro uses launch monitors. They would even think of putting a club in their bag without knowing exactly how it performs. With launch monitors the club, shaft, and even tee height get fine-tuned.

    6. Re:Doesn't help by Miniluv · · Score: 1

      Bah, the biggest thing in golf is learning to get out of your own way. You learn the proper mechanics of a swing, practice until it becomes second nature and then learn to never think about it again (until it breaks anyhow).

      The greatest golfer ever used wooden clubs, didn't play virtually any practice rounds, and his accomplishments have yet to be equalled. No further evidence is needed for me to know that golf is about the golfer, not about his clubs.

    7. Re:Doesn't help by The+Wooden+Badger · · Score: 1

      The long drive is just a matter of strength and mechanics. The mechanics for a drive are pretty standard; they don't change much from a drive to a fairway shot. Strength does come into play, but if the mechanics are off the ball doesn't go straight. All the fancy gizmos and gadgets aren't going to improve mechanics much as they already are good. The top pros work on the long drive by hitting the weights. The short game IS the difference between winning and losing. Games are often lost on putts that are less than 10 feet. That and some amateurs (good ones mind you) putt two and three times more than a pro does.

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  7. O RLY? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't believe this is the tragedy that the submission of this story implies. It is unfortunate that such equipment is inaccessible to everyone, but if nothing else, isn't a sport striving for greatness? I see training as a different sort of advantage than say, steroid use. Ultimately, no tool will replace hard work; a professional golfer, regardless of income, must work for success.

    If we draw a line based on income, what else does that set a precedent for? Genetics can also provide an advantage; how should that be resolved? What about in other situations? Do I want my doctor to have inferior training than another, because having access to expensive training tools gives him an 'unfair' competitive edge in the health market?

    1. Re:O RLY? by Dis*abstraction · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's one opinion. Other people see sport as a way to escape all that, to take a breather from the rat race that defines humanity in every other realm. That's why these people don't see medicine as a sport.

  8. Eh... I have perfect emulator by saikou · · Score: 0

    It's my computer ;) I can play against Tiger Woods any time, and 5 kilobucks computer can do way more than track golf balls :)

  9. Oh boo hoo! by Five+Bucks! · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Golfer have-nots?!

    At a cost of $60 for green fees (the lowest around here), the wedge between golfing "Haves" and "Have-nots" begins before you even reach the gilded gates of the course. Add in golf-cart and clubs, plus drinks afterwards, it's easy to drop $120 to go golfing.

    Phooey...

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    1. Re:Oh boo hoo! by grub · · Score: 1


      Green fees here are still quite reasonable but I quit playing way back when Tiger Woods was getting popular. It was relaxing to go out to the course, smack a few balls, try to break my best score, etc. Then golf became popular thanks to the young Mr. Woods. Lineups at the tee box, asshole marshalls telling you to hurry up, people queued up all along the courses.

      Golf was no longer relaxing so I just quit.

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    2. Re:Oh boo hoo! by fastgood · · Score: 1
      PGA Golf Tour 2009 on the Nokia-6GH will have more power than today's $50000 units.
      But why are we talking about a simulation of an almost-sport in the first place?

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    3. Re:Oh boo hoo! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you absolutely must have a golf cart of course. No real american could ever dream of walking. after all, they could lose a bit of flab.

    4. Re:Oh boo hoo! by mshurpik · · Score: 1

      $120?????????????????

      Thanks, I'll do something that involves girls.

    5. Re:Oh boo hoo! by elynnia · · Score: 1
      I don't know where you live, but here in Sydney, Australia I can go to a local public course and have a round for less than $20. On top of that, it's not unusual to see a true amateur in jeans and a well-used set of clubs playing with their mates just for fun. Sure, the elite golfing is for the elite - but casual golf seems to me like everyone's game, especially with the availability of cheap used clubs and/or a set lying in the family attic.

      elynnia

    6. Re:Oh boo hoo! by nate+nice · · Score: 1

      I agree. I golf still but I've learned to pick my times. Basically, never go out on a weekend if it's remotely nice out. The public courses are way over booked. I can't stand waiting at every tee box for 2 groups to play. And so many of these people play so slow it's just annoying. They have a poor shot, they approach their ball and take 5 practice swings, they address their ball, take a swing and top it, moving the ball maybe 20 yards and repeat.

      I've found the best times to go out are at the ass crack of dawn or around 4 in the evening.

      As an aside, I think modern golf is like bowling in the 50's and 60's. Bowling was insanely popular and bowling alleys went up all over. The "fad" died down by the 80's and bowling alleys closed all over.

      You're seeing many new golf courses now days but I think in 10 to 20 years when the fad has gone away, these courses will be developed into subdivisions as the urban sprawl consumes all.

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    7. Re:Oh boo hoo! by kd5ujz · · Score: 1

      Have you played golf in this decade? Its getting hard to play a game that you can walk without getting screamed at. You might be able to do it on Thursday afternoon, but not on the weekend. People are in such a rush, that you have to hit the ball, speed to wards where you hit it, dodge an incoming ball from people that want to play through, but do not want to ask, hit the ball again, and hope to get the hell off the green before getting smacked. Its not a question of laziness, its a question of people being in a hurry to get their "relaxation" over with as soon as possible, to get back to work/family/whatever.

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    8. Re:Oh boo hoo! by paeanblack · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Add in golf-cart and clubs, plus drinks afterwards, it's easy to drop $120 to go golfing.

      I take it you haven't been to a baseball game lately either.

    9. Re:Oh boo hoo! by Al+Dimond · · Score: 1

      Oh, sure, if you want to watch professionals play. But if you have a neighborhood park and 17 friends you can play baseball pretty much for free once you have all the equipment (until someone that has the field reserved kicks you out). It's the 17 friends part that's the barrier, and the reason that there's not enough demand for field times for a market to develop.

      You wouldn't have to have 17 friends for soccer, various disc sports, basketball, tennis, racquetball or running. These things won't cost you $120-a-pop either.

    10. Re:Oh boo hoo! by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      Y'know you really don't need more than 12 friends. 11 if you ditch the short stop when bases are loaded. 10 if you also ditch the center fielder. 9 if you keep the short stop and ditch the 2nd and 3rd basemen.

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    11. Re:Oh boo hoo! by gowen · · Score: 1

      I went and sat in the bleachers in Oakland. It cost $8.

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    12. Re:Oh boo hoo! by NeMon'ess · · Score: 1

      I've heard the A's have some of the cheapest ticket prices in both leagues.

      Let's go Oakland!

    13. Re:Oh boo hoo! by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 1
      ...But at least they get their clothes from charity shops....

      ... what, they don't?

    14. Re:Oh boo hoo! by Alioth · · Score: 1

      Golf carts. No wonder so many golfers are obese these days.

  10. New Gold overlords? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So the oldies are worried that noobs are going to take over their last bation of old-rich-golfplaying-bastard-ness? Amen.

  11. OT Story by mpapet · · Score: 1

    I used to race bicycles and got myself to England to "really" race.

    I had some nice equipment and good fitness (180 miles/week) at the time and consistently got my head handed to me by guys much older than me on what would be considered "ordinary" kit for an American bike racer.

    Practice is the great equalizer. I have a hard time believing it's that different in golf.

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    1. Re:OT Story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well geez, that's not surprising you were eating dust. There was a time when I regularly bicycled 150 miles/week. Not training for anything; I was simply commuting to work, on a mountain bike, wearing a light pack.

    2. Re:OT Story by Sawopox · · Score: 1

      How long did it take to ride your bike to England?

      How fast did you have to pedal to not sink?

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    3. Re:OT Story by ragnar · · Score: 0

      Another former race-cyclist here... I concur 100%. I think every sport fanatic delves into improving equipment given that it is easier than improving fitness. I've been soundly trounced by people on lesser machines.

      It is also telling that the average speed of the Tour de France is scarcely different today than it was 25 years ago. The equipment has improved dramatically, but it makes little difference.

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  12. silly by Quick+Sick+Nick · · Score: 2, Insightful

    $50,000 simulators to play golf are no more necessary than a $100,000 swiss watch is necessary to tell the time.

    1. Re:silly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...no more necessary than a $100,000 swiss watch is necessary to tell the time.

      So how many hours a week do you practice learning how to tell time?

    2. Re:silly by bwt · · Score: 1

      I agree, and I question whether there is any advantage to these things.

      If the benefit is supposed to be diagnosing swing flaws -- then this is like using a CAT scan to diagnose a common cold. Hint: your slice is cased by a weak grip, coming over the top, or both. It is relatively easy to diagnose swing flaws: You don't need a $50K monitor, you need a $500 camcorder and some photos of a "model" swing like those that appear in golf digest every month. The hard part is to break your bad habit and ingrain a good habit.

      Oh, and don't tell VJ Singh that all that time he spends on the range is now an obsolete practice method.

    3. Re:silly by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1
      Oh, and don't tell VJ Singh that all that time he spends on the range is now an obsolete practice method.

      Considering that Vijay uses every golf gadget ever invented (I just know he has one of those hats with the dangly thing in his trunk) I'd be willing to bet that he's got the simulation stuff too.

      By the way, the article didn't mention this one, but I've had a chance to use it and it's pretty cool. And I think the whole setup ran the guy about $2,500, a lot less than those in the article.

  13. As a golfer by hsmith · · Score: 3, Insightful

    who fucking cares. who cares if some guy on another hole has some $50,000 machine to practice on. it doens't impact me in the least. i could care less what others play, just my own.

    1. Re:As a golfer by G-funk · · Score: 1

      Ssssh! Quiet! That sort of thinking doesn't sell Porsches or $50k golf simulators!

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  14. pain in the ass by iamdrscience · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    It bugs me when I'm reading slashdot and there's a link to an article from the Wall Street Journal because I read the WSJ nearly daily. The fact that they link to it doesn't bother me so much as the fact that because not as much of the Wall Street Journal is online as say, the New York Times, the articles are generally posted at least a week after I've already read them. I wish there were a way for me to filter items on slashdot that are links to WSJ articles because it would save me a lot of time.

    On another note, is it just me or does it seem like the hyperlink to the actual article is placed rather randomly amongst the article summary? Not that this is atypical of Slashdot (or many sites on the web) but wouldn't it make more sense to have the link be a phrase like "the question posed by the WSJ"?

    And by the way, yes, I would like some cheese with my whine.

    1. Re:pain in the ass by TheFlyingGoat · · Score: 1

      I would assume the random placement of the links would be because the submitter works for the WSJ, or perhaps copied the text exactly from somewhere else that had it linked like that. It makes sense for the search engines, since many of them weight the linked words slightly more than the surrounding words. You'll notice that the words that are linked are a lot more unique than the rest of the summary.

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    2. Re:pain in the ass by mshurpik · · Score: 1

      It seems fairly easy to reconstruct the front page of slashdot using regexps and form handling. Not that I've done it, but I've done other things. One of the entry-level tasks for a web firm I worked for was to scan 3 online bookstores for price info about a certain book and table the results. The web is not designed to be regexp-friendly but you can still do amazing things with it.

    3. Re:pain in the ass by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      "The fact that they link to it doesn't bother me so much as the fact that because not as much of the Wall Street Journal is online as say, the New York Times, the articles are generally posted at least a week after I've already read them."

      To be fair, consider how Slashdot gets its news. I'm a Nintendo fan boy. I run around finding all kinds of Nintendo related news. Often times, I find those news here on Slashdot as well. Doesn't bother me for the simple reason that I know how Slashdot gets its stories. Slashdot is more like VH1's "Best Week Ever" than CNN.

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  15. The Middle Class Brat Experience by Quirk · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I had 3 years of pro lessons from the age of 5. The pro who taught me was English and very much given to a classical swing. The trick of a great swing and/or putting is like the secret of enlightenment... there is no secret to enlightenment. It's just if you're looking for the answer... you don't have it, and, once you do, you're no longer looking for it, but it's unlikely you know exactly the steps you took to get it.

    I golfed for 18 years. It's a great head game, really almost zen like, but championship calibre play doesn't come from expensive toys. Expensive toys can hone natural talent but that's about it. For all that, expensive toys can ruin natural talent.

    Micheal Jordan was touted a a "physical genius", whatever that is. When Jordan turned to baseball it was said his physical genius would allow him to achieve the same greatness in baseball as he did in B ball. Did not happen, and it's likely Jordan had access to every toy available.

    The X factor will always be part of championship play and all the toys for all the boys won't replace it.

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  16. perfect golf ball by mshurpik · · Score: 2, Informative

    I saw a report on TV a few years back about a golf ball that has 2 rows of dots, kinda like a baseball, instead of all over, and it doesn't slice at all.

    So good it was immediately outlawed. Which is fine but, you have to admit, golf is a pretty artificial sport.

    1. Re:perfect golf ball by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Which is really funny, because originally, the balls had not "dots" (dimples) at all. Then they realized that the more they hit it, and the more dents it got, the further it went, so they started making them with the dots built in. Now all the balls have different patterns of dots, trying to make them fly the best. Now they starting complaining because people are putting the dimples in a certain pattern? How deep do the dimples have to be? Would putting shallow dimples all over except 2 deep rows have the same effect?

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    2. Re:perfect golf ball by mshurpik · · Score: 1

      Probably yeah. I think it's a gyroscopic effect. Thanks for the historical info.

    3. Re:perfect golf ball by raoul666 · · Score: 1

      So good it was immediately outlawed. Which is fine but, you have to admit, golf is a pretty artificial sport.

      And there are sports that are more "real"? The very nature of sport is artifical.

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    4. Re:perfect golf ball by Ignominious+Cow+Herd · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nope, it is aerodynamics. The Bernoulli effect I believe, same as an airplane wing.

      Backspin makes the air on top move faster than the air on the bottom - relative to the direction of ball flight I think. Faster air has less pressure than slower air and generates lift.

      I also think it generates less drag, but I don't remember why.

      Partial side-spin creates hooks and slices. So less spin overall creates less hook/slice, but in some cases less distance.

      For a club like a driver, backspin can actually cause a loss of distance, because the ball ends up with a trajectory that is too steep, and you get no roll at the end of the flight.

      Nirvana is a ball/club combination with low spin off a driver and high spin off a wedge or other short club.

      Yes, I'm a Golf Geek.

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    5. Re:perfect golf ball by DigiShaman · · Score: 2, Informative

      I also think it generates less drag, but I don't remember why.

      Because the dimples create turbulence and thus a smaller low pressure wake on the backside of the ball as it's flying through the air. At least, that's how I understand it. You can read more about it here. http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/aerodynamics/ q0215.shtml/

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    6. Re:perfect golf ball by The+Wooden+Badger · · Score: 1

      It would probably only be used by typical weekend hacks. The pros hook and slice on purpose. That and the balls that don't hook also won't get the same loft that you get with all the dimples. Or the backspin.

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    7. Re:perfect golf ball by sh00z · · Score: 1
      And there are sports that are more "real"?
      Hmm... I'm gonna have to go with running on this one. And archery. Or javelin? All derived from things that people were doing just to survive. The only thing "artificial" about them as sports is that you're only pretending to be at war. But hey, it keeps the skillz sharp.
    8. Re:perfect golf ball by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1
      So less spin overall creates less hook/slice, but in some cases less distance.

      The more backspin, the straighter the shot. You're right about the aerodynamics, but the spin also creates a gyroscopic affect. That's why it's so much easier to hit a wedge straight than a long iron. It's not just that it's a shorter shaft, it's all that extra spin created by the loft of the club. It's also easier to hit a more lofted driver straight, and yet so many amateurs think they should hit a 9 degree driver (which is doubly wrong.)

  17. Have's and Have Nots? In Sports? by linuxrunner · · Score: 1

    Who the HELL is going to be using a $50,000 simulator and vests in golf, unless your are a professional on a circuit, and winning money and/or being sponsored!!

    I'm not going to be using it. Does that make me a have not?

    They're professional. And if an amateur can afford such a luxury, then all the power to them. Just like some can afford top of the line golf clubs and balls, and others can not.

    Just like Lance Armstrong is able to have bikes custom made, helmets custom made, practice with out having a day job, and spend time in a wind tunnel with high tech gear and finding ways to lessen drag.

    And guess what? I CAN'T DO THAT. Imagine that.

    That's professional... on the individual level. Just go out and have fun. Isn't that what it is all about? If you're trying to break into professional, then you'll work your way up the ladder to your 50K simulator. If not, then get out your grandfathers clubs, and who cares. Have fun.

    Every sport is like this.. get over it. Some people will have money, and others will not.

    Final word: I don't think Tiger Woods started off with a $50,000 simulator... He worked his way up to the top, now I bet he's stepped into one to help keep him there, but he wasn't using one when he started, and it didn't stop him.

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  18. Elitist Golfers by Capitalist1 · · Score: 1

    I'm not so worried about whether or not the guy next to me has a $50,000 simulator and $10,000 practice vest at home. As long as I get a tall club and he doesn't pick the same ball color, everything will work out over video games and a burger back at the club house.

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  19. OT: Golf Joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Q: How did golf get its name?
    A: All of the other four-letter words were already taken.

    1. Re:OT: Golf Joke by Gorshkov · · Score: 1

      Q: Why did the scots invent scotch?
      A: Because they'd already invented golf and curling

  20. New Poll by sharkey · · Score: 2, Funny
    Who has the biggest snobs?
    • Linux
    • Apple
    • Golf
    • CowboyNeal
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    1. Re:New Poll by Overzeetop · · Score: 0

      Sorry, we already have the poll for this quarter. Perhaps you could resubmit your idea in August.

      (Oh, and the answer is Apple, just in case you were curious)

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    2. Re:New Poll by Ignominious+Cow+Herd · · Score: 1

      Hmmm, I keep track of my golf scores on my PowerMac, running Linux. I must suck.

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    3. Re:New Poll by Sleeping+Dog · · Score: 1

      Which application are you using for it ? :)

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  21. its not the equipment by kaufmanmoore · · Score: 1

    I play hockey with a guy that has a new pair of $500 skates and a $150 composite stick, he still is never in the right position defensively and his shot accuracy makes the goalies breathe a sigh of relief

    1. Re:its not the equipment by HomerJ · · Score: 1

      HAHA.....I've played with guys like that....

      I've always hated the sticks that weren't all wood. Aluminum was the rage when I was really playing, and they have moved up to composite. I never felt I could feel the puck well on the stick with anything but wood.

      And the blade will fall off my skates before I get another pair. My Tacks are the perfect shape of my feet. Hell, when the blade falls off, I'll have them rivet another blade on there.

  22. boohoo by AhuraMazda · · Score: 0

    Fine!! I'll spend $50000 to put it in the hole... ohh wait!

  23. What's new? by labratuk · · Score: 5, Funny
    Are $50,000 simulators and $4,500 sensor vests driving a wedge between golf's haves and have-nots?
    I thought the whole point of golf was to drive a wedge between the haves and have nots.
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    1. Re:What's new? by killjoe · · Score: 4, Funny

      "I thought the whole point of golf was to drive a wedge between the haves and have nots."

      No that's the whole point of the wall street journal.

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    2. Re:What's new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought the whole point of golf was to drive a wedge between the haves and have nots.

      No, you drive with a wood, chip with a wedge.

    3. Re:What's new? by Ignominious+Cow+Herd · · Score: 1

      I don't know about that, but if you're driving with your wedge then you're playing the game wrong.

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  24. None of this matters... by HomerJ · · Score: 4, Informative

    All of this is just to get money from people that already have too much of it.

    The only things you need for golf are a swing you can repeat, and knowing how to putt. Neither require anything more than a normal set of clubs, and some practice.

    Ben Hogan said it best that there is no reason the average person can't break 70. And there was no tricks, no $50k electric vests, no goofy clubs that collapse when you swing the wrong way, or anything else. It's just having a swing that repeats, and includes the fundamental things you need to have that all great golfers do.

    Best thing to be a better golf game is get the Ben Hogan book about the 5 fundamentals. About $5-$10 at any bookstore. Ben Crenshaw has a video on putting that's also good, and it's about the same price if you can find it.

    1. Re:None of this matters... by rootmonkey · · Score: 1

      I couldn't agree more. Fundamentals and patience are worth much more than fancy gizmos. Hogan's book is as relavent today as it was when it was written. I've been working off his book for the past year and have went from upper 90s to almost breaking 80.

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    2. Re:None of this matters... by nate+nice · · Score: 1

      Beware however, the pictures of the "single plane" swing are wrong and he doesn't actually use a single plane.

      Other than that it's a great book.

      Grip the club right. Stand at address properly. Keep your lower body still in your back swing. Make sure your shoulders turn so your left shoulder near your chin during the back swing. Follow through by not hitting the ball but swinging through it and release all the while keeping your lower body still.

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    3. Re:None of this matters... by tji · · Score: 1

      Ben Hogan said there is no reason an average person can't hit "in the 70s", i.e. they should be able to break 80. Breaking 70 is quite a bit more difficult than breaking 80.

    4. Re:None of this matters... by Ignominious+Cow+Herd · · Score: 1

      Yup. Do that and you'll hit your driver 100 yards straight down the middle every time. Although you also could develop a nasty hook.

      Now, if you want to hit it long, get your lower body active and generate more power. They key is not to try to hit it with your hands (or the club head), but turn your core (hips, shoulders) and let your arms and the club swing as you said. But if you're not driving this with your lower body then you are not gonna hit it very far.

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    5. Re:None of this matters... by nate+nice · · Score: 1

      When your shoulders torque you will build plenty of energy up in your hips. You don't want to actively move your hips because there is no way you're going to get your club head back to where it started. When you start your swing your shoulders are paralell and as you swing back your left shoulder will become perpendicular to the ball creating a lot of energy. Of course this energy is generated throughout your abdomen and hips because all these pieces are connected. As you release the club great energy will be released. Your drive should probably go further than 100 yards.

      When you see golfers "waddling", that's a sure sign they're going to be spraying it all over. Swinging your hips will do nothing for your power or accuracy. Watch a pro, they don't activly move their lower half.

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    6. Re:None of this matters... by Ignominious+Cow+Herd · · Score: 1

      Well, I don't want to get into an argument here, but I have watched lots of pros, and all the big hitters have a huge hip turn through impact. And a moderate one away from the ball in the backswing. I'm not sure what you mean by 'waddling', but if you mean swaying as opposed to turning, then I would agree.

      I try to turn my shoulders at least 90 degrees and hips about 45 at the top of the backswing. At impact my hips are about 15 degrees past the starting point and my shoulders square to the target line. Everything is facing the target in the follow through.

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    7. Re:None of this matters... by JavaElementOfStyle · · Score: 1

      Having recently watched a show on The Golf Channel that broke down the swing of Jack Nicklaus, I will have to say that he had a lot of hip and leg movement in his swing. It's not very noticeable at full speed, but in slow motion he looks like he's all over the place. A lot of transfering of weight for one foot to the other.

    8. Re:None of this matters... by nate+nice · · Score: 1

      No doubt your hips and legs are going to move as you rotate your shoulders but it should be a function of this. This is why it is so subtle.

      I think the poster above and I have a similar idea but a misunderstanding. He thought I was suggesting that you make every effort to make sure nothing on your lower half moves at all. What I was saying is you rotate your shoulders which will cause your left leg to move some and pressure to be put on your waist as it is rotating a bit.

      Some golfers do indeed take it to extremes.

      Chi Chi Rodriguez used to swing his hips way back resulting in amazing power for a smaller man. But this is like Brett Favre generating power by throwing off his back foot. Some people can do it but you don't really teach it.

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    9. Re:None of this matters... by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1
      but I have watched lots of pros, and all the big hitters have a huge hip turn through impact.

      The original poster was taking about the backswing. The downswing is a whole different matter. On the backswing, restricting your hip turn to 45 degrees while your shoulders turn 90 stores up a lot of energy that will get released during the downswing. If you overturn you hips on the backswing then all your power comes from muscle energy created during the downswing. By storing up some during the backswing you get to use both.

  25. Cinderella story..... by ralfg33k · · Score: 2, Funny

    But does that simulator include using flowers for driving practice? Oh, I think not.

    Besides, most of the folks I know golf because it's a good excuse to swill something from the beverage cart, enjoy being outside instead of in their offices/cubicles, and fire off jokes that would otherwise score them a 30 minute meeting with their manager and an HR rep.

  26. Re:Have's and Have Nots? In Sports? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I doubt tour pros will even be using this stuff, except maybe if they've just lost their card and are grasping for straws. This is a toy for CEOs and investment bankers who have millions of dollars burning a hole in their bank accounts. They won't necessarily do any better than the rest of us who spend our time on the course and on the driving range.

  27. Snob by BrookHarty · · Score: 0

    Hey, my butler and limo driver can play golf as good as anyone.

  28. Obligatory by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

    driving a wedge

    So which wedge are we talking about here: pitch, sand, lob? Inquiring minds want to know.

    Oh, and overall, golf is a very very expensive game, both because of the cost of maintaining the course and the amount of stuff designed for rich people who think their problem is with their equipment and not their skill at the game. This fits neatly in the second category.

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    1. Re:Obligatory by Riktov · · Score: 1

      Burns: Oh, stop cogitating, Steinmetz and use an open faced club! The sand wedge!
      Homer: Mmmm, open-faced club sandwich.

  29. perfect golf ball-Imperfect divet. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "So good it was immediately outlawed. Which is fine but, you have to admit, golf is a pretty artificial sport."

    So what exactly is a "natural" sport then?

  30. You Uncaring Bastards! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stop knocking golf. Where else can WASPs get a release for the urge to dress like pimps?

  31. Wha? by gearmonger · · Score: 2, Funny
    What is this 'golf' of which you speak?

    Or did you mean "Gorf"?

    1. Re:Wha? by mshurpik · · Score: 1

      Gorf on Intellivision was the only reason to put up with my schizophrenic aunt. That, and my blonde cousin and the game AD&D for the same platform.

  32. You almost got the main point by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Sure there's a performance difference between crap gear and reasonable gear. There is far less performance difference between reasonable gear and the best gear. This applies to most sporting equipment. For example my $600 or so Sage fly rod is markedly better than a $50 Chinese bottom end job, but is probably not much better than a $200 rod or much worse than a $2000 rod.

    If you're a Tiger woods then perhaps equipment that gives you an extra 1% edge is worth it, but most people would not tell the difference. The biggest success determining factors are ability and practice. Expensive kit does nothing unless you actually use it.

    Marketers understand what drives buying for premium spending sports (golf, fly fishing,...). Most of the sportsmen don't have enough time to get out and practice sufficiently and feel a bit guilt about it. Being able to buy the toys helps alleviate that feeling of guilt rather than actually improving the game directly.

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    1. Re:You almost got the main point by TopShelf · · Score: 1

      Just take a look at the ridiculously huge driver heads that are available now - guys will spend mega-$$$ to get an extra 15 yards on their drive, but in reality that has little to no benefit to their overall game. As they say, "drive for show, putt for dough."

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    2. Re:You almost got the main point by nate+nice · · Score: 3, Interesting

      True to a point but not always. If you assume you're using your driver on 14 holes, then 15 * 14 = 210 total yards saved. This isn't a whole lot but on an average 5000 yard course, that shortens it by around 4%. Again, it's not a lot but it will maybe save you 2 strokes in that on those par 4's you might be driving the green instead of chipping. But as you pointed out, there are no guarantees.

      Also, 15 yards can be the difference between using a 5 iron or a 4 iron. This makes a big difference for some people.

      As for putting you're dead on of course. If these same people were really serious about improving their game by 7 strokes or so, they would spend at least an hour every day practicing a routine of puts. Or better yet, spend the money on a putting green for the backyard. It's the best way to improve your game. count how many 10' putts you miss in a game. You would probably be amazed.

      Another thing with many of those huge drivers is they have a much larger sweet spot. This will keep you out of the woods a couple times as they are more "forgiving". This is a classic example of equipment improving a score instead of skill, prevalent in bowling as well (all the new cover stocks to improve hooking on oily lanes to create better pocket entry angle resulting in less 10 and 7 pins hanging around, etc).

      The most amazing thing is the shafts people buy. So many people buy those ultra flexible shafts but they don't have enough club speed to use them so their hands get too far in front of the ball and they end up decelerating when they make contact resulting in shorter shots.

      Gold junkies are known to go nuts and pay way too much for things. I love the game but have never bought anything but balls. Luckily I have a brother who's all too obsessed with the game and passes down decent equipment. He's really good at the game at least.

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    3. Re:You almost got the main point by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 1
      There is far less performance difference between reasonable gear and the best gear. This applies to most sporting equipment.

      Excellent point. Golf is not free, but it does not have to break the bank (for most people). This is why most of us don't buy all new equipment every year, even though the manufacturers are always hocking their new warez. This is also why I give away or sell the Pro V1s I get for free: I am just as good (er, bad) with Dunlop LoCos or Nikes (or even my old stand by, Titleist X-outs) that cost 1/4 as much.

      Why should an avid golfer, who doesn't make a living playing golf, spend hundreds or thousands of dollars more to shoot 77 regularly when he can shoot 79 with cheap or mid-priced gear? This does NOT make sense!

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    4. Re:You almost got the main point by hdparm · · Score: 1
      Bad thing for people who have plenty of money but not much golf talent is that they will suck even more once they start using really expensive clubs. I'm not complete anti-talent but I don't play or practice regularly enough to improve significantly. There are few holes on a local public course that I par or birdie every time but only with my set of cheapo second-hand ROC clubs. I tried friend's flash new R7 driver and forged Callaway irons - couldn't hit shit, whatsoever.

      I'm happy though - there's only three things to fix in my game and I'll be able to play tournaments - swing, long game and short game.

    5. Re:You almost got the main point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True to a point but not always. If you assume you're using your driver on 14 holes, then 15 * 14 = 210 total yards saved. This isn't a whole lot but on an average 5000 yard course, that shortens it by around 4%. Again, it's not a lot but it will maybe save you 2 strokes in that on those par 4's you might be driving the green instead of chipping. But as you pointed out, there are no guarantees.

      This does nothing for the average golfer, score-wise.

      It does a lot for you if you could regularly put a drive in the fairway before they added 15%. Every drop in club hitting into a green is probably worth 0.1 to 0.2 strokes, on average. But not if you don't have a good shot in.

      For this reason, better drivers boost egos more than scores, EXCEPT at the highest levels of the game. A tour pro can hit a driver in the fairway 70% of the time, the added 40-50 yards is 0.3-0.4 shots per hole. A big difference, which is why the courses like Augusta are adding yardage to driver sensitive holes.

      None of the equipment improvements help scores of average golfers, who couldn't hit the fairway when their drives went 220, much less now at 260. None of the equipment changes help within 50 yards of the hole.

    6. Re:You almost got the main point by szembek · · Score: 1

      If you have slow club speed, you want a more flexible shaft. Firm shafts are for golfers with high club speeds. You have it backwards.

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    7. Re:You almost got the main point by TopShelf · · Score: 1

      What's happened to bowling balls in the last 20 years is absurd - I was a regular bowler up until 1988 (the days of plastic vs. rubber) and didn't pick it up again until 1995 or so. The reactive resin balls available by then were like having a cheat code - you didn't have do put very much into your release in order to get a huge backend hook that drove through the pocket.

      One night I went bowling with my wife, after not having picked up a ball in 3 years. I shot 279 right out of the gate, one of my best games ever. With that ball, it was like lighting a fuse right before starting the approach...

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    8. Re:You almost got the main point by nate+nice · · Score: 1

      Indeed. My reactive ball (actually proactive) can drive through the pins on on certain lane conditions if I throw it out it will just find the pocket and annihilate the pins.

      The USBC has banned a couple balls for being "too good". They also have renewed the integrity of the lanes by introducing "Sport Bowling", which are lanes that use predefined oil patterns that will test skill. Basically, a 250 on a typical house shot is going to be 180 on a Sports Shot. Things like "reverse block" are prevalent on these shots.

      This is also what the pros bowl on so you can be assured that the lanes you bowl on are not the same as the ones the PBA uses in terms of difficulty.

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  33. delusional by fermion · · Score: 1
    The thing is that people who have much more than enough tend to be delusional about those who don't. The WSJ is a classic example. They do not have ads for people looking for a home. They have ads for people looking for yet another vacation home, with prices starting in the low millions.

    Very few of the have nots can even afford to buy the clubs and balls, much less the green fees, necesary for a good game of golf. Therefore, the have not, in the classic sense, are not even an issue. What we are talking about here is the fact that the comfortably wealthy middle class, the have nots in the sense that they perhaps only have a second home, cannot afford these things. And, when you get done to it, in the US we are increasingly divided into the working class, with little expendable income, the wealthy middle class, and the insanely rich upper class. Only the later two matter in terms of political and economic power. Everyone in the former shops at Wal*Mart and votes along religious lines.

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  34. Keeping up with the Wilshires. by SeaFox · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...a new generation of expensive high-tech tools is stoking a costly arms race among golfers looking for an edge in a sport that already has an elitist reputation.

    The expensive tools aren't about "having an edge" on the green. It's a way of trying to create a new layer of socio-economic separation in the group of players. Golf has been a pasttime of the affluent and powerful for awhile. And it used to be a game that stayed in that domain. But the more people have been shouldering up the cost of equipment to get started (partially as part of corporate ass-kissing to try to get a leg up in office politics) and with more and more public golf courses springing up the game just isn't "exculsive" enough for the Good Ol' Boys anymore.

    So they take it up a notch. How hardcore a golfer are you? "Oh, well I spent $1000 on this space age driver." "Oh well, I have a $4500 simulator."

    It's just a new game of keeping up with the Jones's with an entry price set high enough to keep the riff-raff out.

    1. Re:Keeping up with the Wilshires. by tji · · Score: 1

      Sure, there is probably some of that.. the guy with the Rolex watch and Mont Blanc pen, who wants everyone to know he spent a lot.

      But, for golf I don't think that's the primary driver. Golf is such a frustrating and addicting sport (which is a very bad combination). Addicted golfers will do or pay just about anything to improve their game.

    2. Re:Keeping up with the Wilshires. by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1

      So they take it up a notch. How hardcore a golfer are you? "Oh, well I spent $1000 on this space age driver." "Oh well, I have a $4500 simulator."

      I have a bigger dick than them, and God gave it to me for free. And that burns them up.

  35. Natural "sport" - Sex by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 1

    Of course. (no pun intended, tee hee)

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  36. No faking a good score by amightywind · · Score: 1

    Are $50,000 simulators and $4,500 sensor vests driving a wedge between golf's haves and have-nots? That's the question posed by the WSJ, who reports that a new generation of expensive high-tech tools is stoking a costly arms race among golfers looking for an edge in a sport that already has an elitist reputation.

    If you play golf regularly you see how ridiculous this notion is. Golf is the most honest test of skill in all of sports. There is no faking a good score or hiding a bad one. The advantage of the new balls and drivers doesn't mean much to anyone but a low handicapper. It'll make a +3 a scratch. Thats it. If you don't understand the swing no technical gizmos will understand it for you. The idiots that layout 10K on equipment and lessons are invariably high handicappers. Put them in a competative situation and they forget their lessons and still shoot 90. Good players with lesser equipment will laugh rather than be jealous. That said hyped up equipment are wrecking the game at the higher level because some of the best classic courses are too short for competition. You will see a deadened standard ball in major golf within 5 years.

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  37. This only matters if you care. by gearmonger · · Score: 1
    Golf is best played as a social activity, where one's score is used only to compare the golfer with himself.

    If you're so competitive that you have to "beat" other golfers (let alone spending thousands of dollars to do so), it's time for you to take up an actual sport. You know, where you break a sweat...or at least have to walk from one point on the playing surface to another.

    1. Re:This only matters if you care. by SCHecklerX · · Score: 1

      It can't be a sport if you can wear your office clothes to do it :) I guess golf is pretty hardcore, though. You get to wear spiked shoes. No thanks, I'll stick to the bikes and snowboard (real have/have not sports! Don't get me started on what skydiving costs...)

  38. redneck equivalent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Here in bubbaland, they don't drop ridiculous sums of money on a sissy game like golf, we have BASSBOATS that cost more than most peoples houses and will outrun most coast guard cutters because of the QUAD mercurys on them. Them dang fish are FAST, doncha know, got to "git out there" quick like, they might disappear on ya! Then you need a fish finder sonar your cousin "borrowed" from the navy during his stint, then a tacklebox with 10 grand of basically the same looking lures that you attach plastic worm crankbait to.

    Now that is a MANLY MAN sport. Oh ya, you need a new ford extravagant pickup to haul the boat...another 100 grand or so.. Then, you just catch the bass and let them go! You stop and buy hamburgers in a sack on the way home, but TRIPLE POUNDERS with cheese and bacon from all the calories exerted taking your credit cards in and out of your wallet.

    snobs, eh, pikers!

  39. I just hope the same never happens to... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    ...other poor people's sports, such as yachting and skiing.

    1. Re:I just hope the same never happens to... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wow -1! somebody doesnt like you dude.

    2. Re:I just hope the same never happens to... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Other people - sailors and skiers? ;-)

    3. Re:I just hope the same never happens to... by Adult+film+producer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Come on mods, that is funny.. lighten up would ya. Golf doesn't need to be expensive but it definitely can be if you so choose to invest money into it. The expensive uber-elite private courses with yearly membership fees of $50K are really the exception. I play every monday & tuesday on a public course with a neighbour (it's only a short 5 minute walk) and it costs $14 to play 9 holes... on the weekends its a bit more expensive but with a group of friends + case of beer, it's worth the money.

      Every year I end up buying a new club of some sort, sometimes I'll drop a few bucks on a putter, couple of hundred a year in total I would guess. Kids probably spend twice as much as I do on their Xbox games and jolt, so it's all relative IMHO. The only time I take the game of golf seriously is when I step up to the ball and do what I can to get it close to the hole...

      If you're interested in golf I would suggest grabbing a bag of clubs from a local garage sale, it doesn't have to be fancy.. just make sure the heads aren't loosening up (that can be repaired for a few dollars at the pro-shop.) Find a public course near you and enjoy walking the course, it's healthy way to get in some mild exercise.

    4. Re:I just hope the same never happens to... by antoinjapan · · Score: 1

      This hits the nail on the head because it's just what I thought.
      Golf is traditionally and probably still is an elitist game of sorts. Despite the fact that many slashdotters may play the game it remains a pastime of the elite. With expensive clubs built in picturesque environments, and with strict rules regarding dress and potential members. To have an article implying some sort of class division in an upperslass sport is laughable, especially on slashdot, a champion of the free and nominally priced software scene.

  40. Who cares? by azakem · · Score: 1

    Golf is the saddest excuse for a sport currently in existence. Hell, I would rather watch curling than watch golf.

    1. Re:Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not a sport, it's a game, like tiddly winks.

    2. Re:Who cares? by nate+nice · · Score: 1

      Golf isn't so much a sport as it is a skill. Much like datrs, pool and bowling.

      I can't stand the "get in the hole!" guys at the PGA, myself.

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  41. So uhm, let me get this straight. by Chr0nik · · Score: 1

    Rich golfers are spending stupid amounts of money on crap they don't need? *Gasp* *Shock* how is this news worthy?

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    ... what did you expect, something profound?
  42. Running by rjstanford · · Score: 1

    This is why I like to run. Well, one reason, anyway. As hobbies go its pretty good in and of itself - strengthening, restful, and a remarkably social activity. But more than that, its not a financial drain, or at least not a huge one. Its one of the few activites where money doesn't have a direct influence. Theres an indirect one in that rich people can afford to train all the time and not work, but that's going to be true almost everywhere in life.

    Clothes - about $50 for an outfit (top/shorts/socks). 1-2 outfits per season will get you by, although you probably want more for convenience so that you're not washing them all the time.

    Watches - not really needed, although $350 buys you about the most expensive running watch you can find (heartrate, GPS, computer sync, et cetera).

    Shoes - figure on $80 every 350-400 miles or so for most decent mid-weight sets.

    So... its not free, but its certainly not expensive. At least not compared to most other sports, from golf to lan party hardware (is that a sport?). There are no "per play" fees other than racking up mileage, but even many serious runners only spend about $10-12 per week on their shoes. Besides, you can run pretty much anywhere and have both a good time and a good workout.

    To enter a race will cost you between $10-100 depending on the distance and the fanciness, but once you're in you'll be using exactly the same equipment as the elite runners from Kenya. At least, as far as anything you can purchase goes. Very few sports still have that distinction. Besides, unlike golfing where you really need to be on a course, if you're just looking for a nice way to spend 3 hours outside with your buddies you can go for a nice long run on the streets for free. Maybe a buck or two tucked away for some PowerAde but, hey, you'd probably be buying something to drink no matter what you're doing, right?

    Swimming can be even cheaper as long as you're not using a wetsuit, assuming that you have access to a community pool. But don't even get me started on biking!

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    1. Re:Running by caffeinemessiah · · Score: 1
      Watches - not really needed, although $350 buys you about the most expensive running watch you can find (heartrate, GPS, computer sync, et cetera).

      why would people want WATCHES with computer sync?? if you're life's THAT important that your watch needs to stay in sync with your computer, you need a vacation.

      --
      An old-timer with old-timey ideas.
    2. Re:Running by ZorinLynx · · Score: 1

      Biking can also be inexpensive. You don't have to spend thousands of dollars on a bicycle. Besides, if you're doing it for exercise, who cares if you have to haul a few extra pounds up the hill? You'll get more exercise!

      -Z

    3. Re:Running by rjstanford · · Score: 1

      Well, its pretty convenient if you're training to be able to dump your running logs to the computer. Besides, with GPS watches its actually kinda fun to check out maps of your runs, especially in strange places. But I did point out that it was about the most excessive purchase - I have an older one (Garmin 301) and most of the time I don't bother with it. Damn nice when travelling though.

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      You're special forces then? That's great! I just love your olympics!
    4. Re:Running by Planesdragon · · Score: 1

      why would people want WATCHES with computer sync??

      Three reasons.

      1: To sync the time. Modern PCs automatically correct their clocks with various atomic-clock based schemes.

      2: To record the data from the heartrate / GPS / whatever system on the watch.

      3: To set the alarms on the watch.

    5. Re:Running by wwwillem · · Score: 2, Informative

      Swimming can be even cheaper as long as you're not using a wetsuit, ...

      Swimming can be really inexpensive, especially if you forget about the swimsuit !! :-)

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    6. Re:Running by Descalzo · · Score: 1
      Well, if you don't take yourself too seriously, you don't need to spend much on golf, either. You get some clubs and hit the city course in your shorts and tennies. Walking 9 holes is a great way to spend a couple hours with your buddies.

      That said, I haven't played golf in like 4 years because it's more expensive where I live now.

      I have been to the driving range a couple of times, but that was with the Cub Scouts (my assistant works at the course, and they let us in for free!).

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    7. Re:Running by lowrydr310 · · Score: 1
      Another 'free' activity is surfing, assuming you live near a surfable beach. When I started I bought a slightly used board for $200 and it lasted over three years (at the end of the three years it wasn't as good as when it I first got it, however it still worked!) I even picked up a wetsuit for $100 to use in cooler weather.

      I no longer live close to a beach (I'd have to drive 30 miles), so I got back into running and hiking. When is the appropriate time to dispose of running shoes? I have two pairs, one that's 5 years old and another that's 2 years old. They both look fine and don't show any significant wear, and I'm hesitant to replace them if there's nothing wrong with them.

    8. Re:Running by FusionDragon2099 · · Score: 1

      Then you'll need money for indecent exposure fines. THAT can get expensive.

    9. Re:Running by rjstanford · · Score: 1

      Don't think years, think miles. You'll break down the midsole after (generally) 350-400 miles of use, which if you're running on asphalt or concrete will almost certainly lead to issues like shin splints. The outsole may still look fine. Having said that, an easy way to tell is to go for a run, then go to your local running store and try on a new pair of the same shoe. If you can tell the difference in the way it feels, you probably need new shoes.

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      You're special forces then? That's great! I just love your olympics!
    10. Re:Running by drsquare · · Score: 1

      What exactly is sociable about running? You can't talk when running, and you probably don't go at the same speed as everyone else.

      You've also neglected to mention that running is completely mindless and monotonous. It's like being in an imaginary hampster wheel.

    11. Re:Running by rjstanford · · Score: 1

      What exactly is sociable about running? You can't talk when running, and you probably don't go at the same speed as everyone else.

      Well, let's see. First, you don't have to go at the same speed as everybody else. In my local running group, for long runs I go at the same speed as about 7-10 other people. I find that number sufficient for conversation, YMMV.

      As for talking, well, there's more to running than an all out sprint, you know. If you're a distance runner you should be running aerobically, which means conversationally. I've done many long runs (3+ hours) talking all the time. You get some great stories that way. Besides, how often do you get to spend time with friends with nothing to do but talk? Having said that, there are times when a nice quiet solo 7-10 miler is a gladly welcomed meditative friend as well.

      You've also neglected to mention that running is completely mindless and monotonous. It's like being in an imaginary hampster wheel.

      By that I take it to mean that you haven't really tried it, and don't see why anybody should. Monotonous? Hardly. You see some beautiful sites, meet great people, and experience all sorts of conditions. Running a city is quite possibly the best way to see it up close, and really get to learn it, even if you live there. I don't think I had learned half as much about some of the different NYC neighborhoods (not even close) as I did before doing their marathon. Starting before dawn and running up to the top of Mt. Bonnell (our local largest hill) to watch the sunrise can be quite spectacular.

      Note: No, I didn't grow up running. Until about 3 years ago I was a couch potato who couldn't run a mile without gasping. People change.

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  43. Depends on how you play it. by Ignominious+Cow+Herd · · Score: 1

    Walk, carry the damn bag, swing hard. It's a sport. I'm tired and sweaty after 18 holes and ~6600 yards/meters. If you ride in a cart, smoke cigars and drink beer, it's just a game.

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    1. Re:Depends on how you play it. by Mprx · · Score: 1

      A sport is an athletic competition. Whether you walk or ride doesn't affect your score, so it does not turn a game into a sport.

  44. Won't someone think of the millionaires?! by Garse+Janacek · · Score: 1

    Is increasingly advanced nautical technology creating a rift between yachting haves and have-nots? A new study shows that many lowly millionaires are unable to afford the latest accessories. Film at 11.

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  45. computer needed to make tee times by chocolatetrumpet · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I honestly thought this article would be about how you need a computer and internet connection to make tee times.

    It used to be done over the phone, but now my godparents had to buy a computer and internet access exclusively to reserve tee times at their local course.

    It can be pretty rough if you have never used a computer before...

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    Spoon not. Fork, or fork not. There is no spoon.
  46. More high tech tools... by etzel · · Score: 1

    someone should invent a gadget that simulates browsing through slashdot and... oh wait, sorry. Back to the lab.

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    "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."
  47. Then and Now by Hootenanny · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There was a time when we used to play golf with:

    1. persimmon woods
    2. hickory shafts
    3. blade irons
    4. something called a "mashie niblick" (look it up, for a trip down memory lane)
    5. leather balls stuffed with feathers

    Now, thanks to new technology we play with:

    1. oversized titanium drivers
    2. graphite shafts
    3. cavity back irons
    4. 60-degree wedges
    5. four layer solid-core distance balls

    Now for the kicker - according to the USGA, the average handicap hasn't dropped significantly. What does that tell us?

    1. Re:Then and Now by bigmouth_strikes · · Score: 1

      > according to the USGA, the average handicap hasn't dropped significantly. What does that tell us?

      It tells us that a lot more people have taken up golf, people that lack the talent or time to become decent, but who thanks to technology can keep their scores under 100 anyway, having a good time.

      Remember what the equipment (r)evolution has done for the PGA tournaments - the courses have to be changed in order for the game not to look like miniature golf.

      --
      Oh, I can't help quoting you because everything that you said rings true
    2. Re:Then and Now by ajw_h · · Score: 1

      "Now for the kicker - according to the USGA, the average handicap hasn't dropped significantly. What does that tell us?" I think it tells us that the golf courses themselves haven't stood still.

    3. Re:Then and Now by StopSayingYouSir · · Score: 1
      Now for the kicker - according to the USGA, the average handicap hasn't dropped significantly. What does that tell us?

      That there other variables you haven't considered.

    4. Re:Then and Now by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1
      Now for the kicker - according to the USGA, the average handicap hasn't dropped significantly. What does that tell us?

      Try playing some of that old equipment. Your handicap will double. I'm a six handicap, but there's still plenty of times when I make an off-center hit with my driver. And the ball goes 240 yards and in the fairway. No way does that happen with an old driver. It'd go 190 and be in the woods.

      And the balls are so much better today that's it's ridiculous. They go further, stop on a dime, and resist side-spin.

    5. Re:Then and Now by dlelash · · Score: 1

      "Now for the kicker - according to the USGA, the average handicap hasn't dropped significantly. What does that tell us?"

      Courses are longer? More beginners are playing?

  48. Execution factor. by GlobalMind · · Score: 1

    Complete crap. Doesn't matter. You still have to execute, and out on the course you don't have your big expensive machine there to help you. Tiger screwed himself at Augusta this year, and some young dude that's (I think) never won a tourney came back and won at Harbour Town the next week. with one of the game's quality vets at his heels.

    The name of the game is being consistent and having well rounded skills...and some luck thrown in there too. Anyone who has been playing at this thing for awhile can tell you that buying all the fancy practice gizmos won't help you if you can't replicate it out there on the tee.

    GM.

  49. Golf is a rich man's game ? Ha ! by Sam+Nitzberg · · Score: 1

    You need to play a game where money is not a factor.
    Like, Polo.
    With a buy-in in the multi-million dollar range for a decent day-to-day selection of horses, grounds fees, and to cover vet bills, you can get rid of all the pesky dollar-competitive issues you have in golf.

    Not that I'm playing much polo - I'm still saving up for the Polo shirts ;-)

    1. Re:Golf is a rich man's game ? Ha ! by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 1
      I've always had pet peeve against showjumping being an olympic sport, because the barriers to entry are so high. It proves nothing in terms of being a global champion when most of the rest of the world don't even get a chance to try it. When was the last time you saw a Kenyan or Jamaican showjumper? The countries involved are basically from G7 nations, and normally people from the top 5% wealth wise.

      Compare it with running. Whilst it may take expensive trainers and good equipment to win a gold medal, people with raw talent can be spotted.

  50. Dosent matter... by CottonEyedJoe · · Score: 1

    I'm a competitive amateur bicycle racer. When I race on the weekends I line up next to guys wearing $250 shorts, $400 carbon fiber soled shoes $8000 carbon bicycles, $5000 carbon composite wheels. If they aint got the engine, none of that stuff means shit! You could put Lance Armstrong on a $300 discount store special and he'd tear them a new one.

    That said... Money DOES matter. If you have enough income that you can spend 20 hrs a week riding a bike or hitting a golf ball, you're going to be better off than someone working 10 hour days to get ahead. Of course theres also the ski bum philosophy of living (very) modestly and spending all your time training. The other way is more comfortable.

  51. This might at least be worth it by L+the+Cat · · Score: 1

    At least with these toys, there might be some justification for the price, unlike most golf equipment, where the $200 item is just as good as the $2000 item except in some people's heads (that matters a lot of course).

  52. Old story... by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 2, Insightful
    If I remember correctly, this is a pretty old story... But what difference does it make? If you meet with some business bigwigs on the golf course to talk business, I think you'll find that they don't use all kinds of weird gadgets. They'd probably be laughed right off the course. Sure, they'll have better clubs and whatnots, but nobody will judge you if you're not good at golf. The business meeting taking place is what they're paying attention to.

    Also, this haves vs. the have-nots thing is a bunch of hogwash. Yes, there are a few extremely rich people who show it off. But most people who have a few million in the bank don't show it. I know a few people like this. One drives a car that's fifteen years old. Another drives a piece of junk. They look like simple people. Their bank account doesn't affect their thinking. But on the other end of the spectrum, there are a ton of people nowadays who feel a need to show off and attract attention. They do so by overextending themselves on their credit cards and multiple refinances of their homes, so they can drive fancy cars and live a high-roller's life. They're generally the ones who buy all those gadgets.

    And like I said, they'll get laughed right off the golf course, because a guy who shows up with $15,000 in electronic golf gadgets is like the nerd kid who shows up on his bicycle with 50 different pieces of safety equipment like pads and gloves because his mom thinks he'll get a scratch otherwise.

  53. Algorithms by DeadCatX2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Am I the only one interested in the method by which that iClub thing (last link in summary) works?

    Come on! I wanna know what sensors they put on people and in the clubs, and then I wanna know how they turn the raw data from those sensors into usable data like position in 3d space and orientation.

    Is this stuff patented? Patents are public record...

    Haha! Reverse patent trolling!

    1) Search patent database for good patents
    2) Come up with awesome idea using the patent
    3) License patent from owner cheaply
    4) Release super-awesome product-of-the-century
    5) ...
    6) PROFIT!

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  54. arrggghhg the sun!!! by tlynch001 · · Score: 5, Funny

    A game that involves sunlight and walking? Like anyone here would play that!

    1. Re:arrggghhg the sun!!! by borawjm · · Score: 1

      A game that involves sunlight and walking? Like anyone here would play that!

      Yes but then we just would build a $50,000 simulator so that we wouldn't have to.

    2. Re:arrggghhg the sun!!! by jpvlsmv · · Score: 1

      You've obviously never been out on a golf course...

      The pixel shading is incredible, you can't imagine how many polygons it takes to render... Not to mention, I can get over 180 fps (although that takes some overclocking and beer^H^H^H^Hwatercooling)

      --Joe

  55. Soccer by electrosoccertux · · Score: 1

    I think Soccer would have been a better test of his "physical genius." Baseball wasn't at all related to basketball, at least not in the way soccer is. I think he would have been happier with soccer; he could play the same games he did in the court, but in a whole new atmosphere.

    1. Re:Soccer by Penguinoflight · · Score: 1

      Your point holds, but it should be understood that Jordan didn't play baseball because he thought he would be excellent. He was going through emotional loss, and grasping a straws really.

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  56. all hail Jim Furyk by Polybius · · Score: 1

    As many posters have stated before me a good golf game comes down to repetition. Find a swing that works for you and be able to repeat it. You do not even have to swing in some perfectly straight swing plane like most every instruction book/video will tell you. Take a look at Jim Furyk, his backswing is in a different plane than when he comes around on the ball. According to the "experts" his swing is horrible and shouldn't work. He makes it work. Too many people try to mimick what they have seen someone else do instead of becoming comfortable with how they want to swing.

  57. Uh, I hate to tell you this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...but we don't "really" race in the UK. For that we go to the Continent, where we get soundly thrashed.

    There's a nice true story about a Brit rider:

    He rode and rode and rode, many miles and for a long time, getting to a point where he could consistently best most of the UK riders he competed against. Eventually he decided he was ready for the European circuits, and so moved to Amsterdam.

    He started out modestly, competing in the weekend 'fun' rides around the small Dutch towns. These are dense packs of riders, racing on narrow, slippery and wet cobblestoned streets at horrendous speeds.

    He thought he was doing pretty well at it too, although he noticed lots of cursing around him in various Euro languages as they cornered.

    This went on for weeks. Every Saturday he'd get his kit together and join the races, telling himself he was doing well, and almost ready for the Big League of Continently cycling.

    Then during a race one morning there seemed to be slightly more cursing than usual, but he thought little of it until a hand appeared from the bunch around him and gripped his handlebar stem...the hand steered him around the corners for some minutes. He was simply too petrified to intervene or react, and just let it happen. But while his bike was being steered for him the swearing and cursing ceased.

    That day he got his stuff together and moved back to the UK. He'd discovered what almost all UK riders learn in Europe: that they simply aren't ready for that level.

    1. Re:Uh, I hate to tell you this... by recursiv · · Score: 1

      That is some bad ass handling on the part of the mystery hand... damn. It takes all my concentration just to follow my line through a tight corner in a pack at speed. I can't imagine handling some n00b's handlebars too. (yes, I know I'm comparatively n00bly by these standards as well)

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    2. Re:Uh, I hate to tell you this... by SCHecklerX · · Score: 1

      Yeah. Me too. That's why I race mountain bikes and only train on the pavement :)

  58. Haves and Have-Mores by NoodleSlayer · · Score: 1

    Nothing like a classic struggle between the haves and have-mores in society to show the real grit! People having to sustain themselves on mere hundred dollar gear! Ones that only have thousands to pay on greens fees! Show some humanity people! These are people that are struggling for their very livelihood! Struggling!

  59. The swing just isn't that important! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've played golf for over 20 years now. In 1985, before all the little tours, I missed the cut at the qualifying school by 1 shot, so I know what I'm talking about. Your swing is not all that important. The fact is, nearly 70% of your overall score is accumulated within 50 yards of the hole. If you have a decent swing off the tee, meaning 200-250 or so and in the fairway, and have a tremendous short game, you will score well. I just don't see how gadgets can make any difference to the areas of your game that require the most talent, the short game. I've had my ass handed to me in a bucket by 70 year old dudes who can't hit the ball more than 150 yards in one shot with the trajectory that makes gophers nervous to pop their heads out of their holes. Why, because they chip and putt like Ballesteros or Norman.

  60. *yawn* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My interest in golf has gone from zero to, ummmm, zero. The only good thing about golf is that golf courses are nowadays one of the few bits of open space left in many suburbs.

  61. Dinghy Sailing's just as bad... by advocate_one · · Score: 1
    you can have a world of fun with a clapped out secondhand Mirror dinghy, but if you want to consistently finish up in the chocolates (the first three places) at national level then you have to have a new boat and several suits of sails every year and that requires serious money and dedication...

    Me? I just try to make sure I'm somewhere in the middle of the field... I have plenty of fun anyway... plus people are amazed my boat is still out there every year

    If you want to see the real gap between the haves and the have nots, look at yachting...

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  62. Completely Offtopic, Msg Intended for Quirks only! by mr_stinky_britches · · Score: 1

    Dear Quirks, Your sig reads "It's better to whore the body than the mind". I am at a loss for figuring out what this means/what you intend it to mean? If you could provide some insight, I would really appreciate it! (I wasn't sure how to get the message to you, so I have replied to your thread here...) Thanks! mr_stinky_britches 2006-04-20

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  63. And then Tiger uses two drivers in one game by Animats · · Score: 2, Insightful
    A few days ago, Tiger Woods used two different drivers in one game. Golf equipment manufacturers are now salivating over the opportunity to sell every golfer on having two different drivers handy at all times.

    Silicon Valley started to go downhill when executives started playing golf instead of raquetball and tennis.

    1. Re:And then Tiger uses two drivers in one game by miller701 · · Score: 1

      You're thinking of Phil Mickelson. He's a lefty, so he has one for right -> left and one for left -> right. He won the masters a few weeks ago, so it might have helped. Since one is only allowed 14 clubs, he had to give up one.

      Now, if you are right and Tiger is doing that too, we may just be seeing a change in how the pros play.

    2. Re:And then Tiger uses two drivers in one game by pgriff · · Score: 1

      Actually, it was Phil Mickelson.

      And most of the writing I have seen since on the subject basically said if you don't have his swing or his endorsment contract - Don't bother doindg the same as him.

  64. Oh really? by sihker · · Score: 1

    Nobody mentioned that golf is a sport, where men play with their balls. Next news: curling has got wide acceptance by masses.

  65. I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder if its compatible with www.albatross18.com.....

  66. Still doesn't compare by logi_0309 · · Score: 1

    The fun factor still doesn't compare to the Monster Roll Cage monster truck simulator that Idryonis made. 360-degrees of continuous rotation on pitch and roll. http://mrc.idryonis.com/

  67. How is this different... by paulxnuke · · Score: 1

    from every other sport?

    In the original Tour de France, no support of any kind was allowed: riders had one bike per race and had to repair it themselves. In the early days of auto racing, it was not unusual for racers to drive their own car to the track, compete, and drive home.

    Every sport has gone this way: those who hope to make a living at it have to do whatever they can. If technology can give an edge to those who can afford it, they pretty much have to use it. Auto racing now costs so much that it can only be sustained by advertising, and all but the very top drivers are effectively employees.

    Eventually race car drivers will simply sit in the car while it drives itself, providing a necessary human touch to a robotics competition. At least golf will (I think) be spared that fate.

  68. Golf is NOT a sport by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A nice little game, but not a sport. Golfers are not athletes. My definition of sport requires two things:

    1) Breaking a sweat
    2) direct physical confrontation with your opponent

    I went golfing exactly twice in my life, each time because three guys at my place of employment "needed a fourth", whatever that means. So I was up against two guys who had been playing golf for ~7 years, and my boss who had been playing golf ~2 years.

    I beat my boss and one of the other players BOTH time I played with them, and just missed beating all three of them the second time I played.

    Ridiculous. Foolish. Asinine. If golf was a real sport like basketball, boxing, martial arts, rugby, etc., anyone with 2 to 7 years experience should have wiped the floor with me.

    Golf is "men in funny pants, walking."

  69. Times are changing by mahesh_gharat · · Score: 1

    Long ago when men cursed and beat the ground with sticks, it was called witchcraft..

    Today, it's called golf

  70. Stories like this ... by subVorkian · · Score: 1

    Stories like this drive a wedge between who cares and who gives a shit.

    p-l-e-a-s-e

  71. Gold is not a sport! by Mark+McGann · · Score: 1

    ....is stoking a costly arms race among golfers looking for an edge in a sport that already has an elitist reputation.

    Golf is not a sport it's a game. What makes something a game rather than a sport may be a fuzzy line, but I assure you if it can be played by fat out of shape buisness executives it's not a sport.

    -Mark

    1. Re:Gold is not a sport! by robertjw · · Score: 1

      but I assure you if it can be played by fat out of shape buisness executives it's not a sport.

      What exactly screws up the criteria here? Is it being fat? Most NFL lineman could be considered fat. Is it out of shape? I've seen plenty of players who seem out of shape players in the Major Leagues. Maybe it's the business excutive part. That leaves out Michael Jordan, Emmit Smith and Wayne Gretzky. Guess none of them ever played a 'sport'.

      Most pro golfers that I've seen aren't fat out of shape business executives. The majority are in reasonable shape, even if calling them 'atheletes' is a stretch. It irritates me when the definition of 'sport' is restricted to a game that only perfect physical specimens that are also chemically enhanced are even able to play.

    2. Re:Gold is not a sport! by drsquare · · Score: 1

      To be a sport it needs an element of physical exertion. There are people who get out of breath going up the stairs but can play golf.

    3. Re:Gold is not a sport! by robertjw · · Score: 1

      To be a sport it needs an element of physical exertion.

      Says who? Who made up this rule? I believe there is sport fishing and sport hunting - neither are particularly strenous. Besides, Golf does include an element of physical exertion - it's just rather small.

    4. Re:Gold is not a sport! by fm6 · · Score: 1

      Who says gold doesn't require exertion? It doesn't require a lot, but then neither does shuffleboard or lawn bowing. My dictionary says that sport consists of "physical activity" and "competition". Note that it doesn't say "extreme physical activity."

  72. Golf is ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... a good walk wasted.

    --- W. C. Fields

  73. Re:Golf is not a sport! by ISoldMyLowIdOnEbay · · Score: 1

    "There are only 3 sports, Bullfighting, Motor Racing and Mountaineering. All the rest are just pastimes". Of course, Mountaineering gets played by fat business executives with too much money as well, but then they end up dead...

  74. More accurately... by Anonymous+Meoward · · Score: 1

    Golf is a skill. And it can be a very lucrative skill for those who can perfect it.

    But alas, I agree, it is not a sport. IMO it barely qualifies as a hobby.

    To all of the golf-happy minions around here (both of you), consider an alternative plan: a gym membership. A good walk spoiled doesn't do shit for your cardiovascular system.

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  75. Disc Golf by jackjumper · · Score: 1

    Ball golf is way too expensive and uptight. If you want to have fun on the cheap, play disc golf! It's just as fun (and frustrating) as ball golf. There's probably a course near you.

  76. Where are the Snowdens of yesteryear by lowvato · · Score: 1

    I can't believe that I am here, this world has shackled my inner self. Golf, weenies, burnt toast. Randomness in nature, at some point, limits the accuracy of the little balls flying through the air. We are becoming artifacts. FISH $

  77. NOT A SPORT by JimmytheGeek · · Score: 1

    It's an activity. Like darts or bowling. Only with really funny looking clothes.

  78. Equipment upgrades not entirely useless by DG · · Score: 1

    I golf a little bit - which is to say I play a golf-like game I call "whackfuck".

    As in:

    *WHACK*

    "FUCK!!"

    Anyway... I have a terrible, intermittant slice that I don't have the time to dedicate eliminating via practice, and which greatly limits how much I can enjoy the game. When your drives have a beaten zone that starts at about 5 degrees left of intended line and 70 degrees right... it's no fun to hit balls onto the adjacent fairway, or into the parking lot (although there is amusement to be had by banking a shot off the glacis of an oncoming golf cart)

    I have been resistant to dumping lots of cash on golf toys. I'm not interested in being the guy with the shiniest clubs; I just want to be able to play a few times a year with my buddies and not make an ass of myself.

    So I'm at the driving range, which is connected to a big pro shop. I've just hit half of a big bucket of balls, and they are all 180 yards out and 100 yards right of my stall. So just out of curiousity, I go into the pro shop and ask to try out a couple of different drivers, ranging in price from $50 to $800.

    Most of them make no difference, but this one club, a $150 Ti offset driver, goes straight as an arrow and maybe 220 yards out. I hit maybe two dozen more balls with it, and I only sliced maybe 2 or 3 of them. The rest joined the first one at 220-ish right out front.

    I bought it on the spot.

    I'll still occasionally slice a screamer hard right, but now my beaten zone off the tee is 5 degrees left to the right side edge of the fairway. It makes the game a lot more enjoyable for everyone, and the risk of accidentally injuring somebody has dropped way, way down.

    I call that a win, and money well spent - and I realize that that level of success is rare, so I'm not out spending more money in search of more technology to make the game even easier, nor am I under the illusion that if I buy the right geegaws I can take on Tiger Woods. But sometimes, there is value in better equipment.

    DG

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    1. Re:Equipment upgrades not entirely useless by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      But sometimes, there is value in better equipment.

      Definitely. If you find a piece of equipment that's worth it's price in fun, go for it. I've spent a fair amount on camera equipment, among other things.

      How much fun do you think the guy with the $50,000 simulator actually has playing golf? Somehow I doubt he just wants to be able to keep up with his buddies on the course. He wants them to be awed by his masterful play, and he thinks throwing money at the problem will fix it. Which is fine, but probably not ultimately very satisfying. He's not likely to have fun and he'll definitely never get to be a master. He probably won't even impress his friends much (although they might find the simulator fun to mess around with).

      To paraphrase the saying I posted before, the (bad) amateur buys some equipment and then spends so much time obsessing about getting better equipment that he doesn't use it much. The professional has some decent equipment but is so busy using it for work he doesn't get much chance to enjoy it. The master knows that skill and experience is what matters, not equipment.

      Kind of like if you spent all your time in the pro shop looking at the $800 driver wishing you could afford it and didn't ever actually end up playing any golf.

  79. Fitness plays a role too by Binge · · Score: 1

    As an avid golfer and golf/web service provider (http://www.clubgolfnetwork.com/), it's great to see there are other golfers on /. - I was wondering there were any more of us! ;)

    To the OP - the other thing to keep in mind is that physical fitness has now become a huge part of the (pro) game. Gone are the days of the fatties ruling the course - credit Tiger with pushing the envelope... more and more pros spend hours in the fitness trailer, and it shows in their games. Personally, I know that when I'm "in shape" I easily get another 20 yards from my driver vs. when I haven't been exercising.

    As for the simulator, what golfer hasn't seen one of the full-size sims in Dave & Busters and wanted one for their home? Hook a projector up to your box, load PGA 2006 and you too have the opportunity to play courses you might not otherwise be able. (How else am I going to play Pebble Beach) As technology keeps improving, costs will drop and bring sims to the mainstream. Hooray for technology!! :)

  80. Re:Completely Offtopic, Msg Intended for Quirks on by Quirk · · Score: 1
    Your sig reads "It's better to whore the body than the mind". I am at a loss for figuring out what this means/what you intend it to mean?

    Your question presents me with a bit of a dilemma. The sig is tied up in the context of a conversation with a friend of mine in highschool. I'll try to relate the meaning directly by way of an anecdote.

    My best friend in high school and I both set out to be writers. We were discussing what we'd do to support ourselves once out of highschool. At that time we agreed University was a wasteland and we both intended to work in the real world and educate ourselves. We were adamantly in rebellion against our milktoast, upwardly mobile, middle class upbringing ( we didn't know part of the privledge of our class was the luxury of rebellion).

    I suggested something clerical or in sales. My friend went with construction work. He said: "It's better to whore the body than the mind."

    That's the short and nasty. So why don't I attribute the sig to him? He still owes me $10 bucks; and, until I get my $10 bucks, I'm using the sig without attributing it to him.

    I didn't go into sales or clerical work. I took a job as a bouncer (ya really) in a night club that had goodfellas and expensive hookers upstairs and a well known, motorcycle gang as clientelle in the club downstairs. I wanted the street experience. I got to know alot of hookers. For the most part they were funny, happy, well paid, people. They confirmed in me the idea that's it's better to whore the body than the mind.

    cheers

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  81. Yards saved by dbcad7 · · Score: 1
    Most hackers (golfing not computing) won't benifit much from the yardage. It's all about strokes after all. 300 yards out of bounds will cost you, when a straight 3 wood might have set up up pretty.

    When you can hit your driver straight most of the time, you might benifit with these "power drivers", but I think way too many golfers spend too much time worrying about yardage, when they should worry about strokes.

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  82. Grandmother taught me - and gave me the definition by chawly · · Score: 1

    My grandmother taught me golf - and she was Scottish (as indeed am I). She also taught me two basic truths about it:-

    1. "Golf is a game for kings and blacksmiths"(example included)
    2. "The game is not lost 'til it's won" (grim example included concerning Englishmen)

    Now you folks can think what you like - but I got it from an unimpeachable source. Can you say the same ?

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