This newest new default theme does look much nicer than that macinwindows one they had before. If you are upgrading from regular 0.9, you won't see it if you have another theme installed. You'll have to switch back to default to see it.
Looks like Microsoft is completely entrenched in the far east, pirate versions or not. Try digging up web logs in places like Korea, Japan, New Zealand. Not unusual to see 70% MSIE6, 20% MSIE5, 10% MSIE4, 0.0002% "other".
Also, although bit off topic, thats probably why worldwide web stats show 1% "other", and stats local to places like US and Germany go from 4%-20% There are alot of countries out there that have yet to develop a healthy population of computer-literate power users and nerds.
People generally start smoking because they're young and see "everyone else doing it"
Yeah, thats what the anti-smoking ads say. But in the real world, ask any smoker the reason they started and they'll tell you they were either curious what it was like, or because of side benefits - like in the US Navy (perhaps armed forces in general), and some workplaces, if you smoke, you get quick breaks that you wouldn't otherwise get. Anyone who tells you otherwise either has forgotten how they started, or doesn't think curiosity counts as a reason, and/or just uses the peer pressure BS as an excuse.
Personally, I've liked the smell of smoke since day one. One night I snuck out back by myself with one of my dad's smokes, and tried it. It was delicious.
Nowadays, being the complete asshat that I am, I try convincing people to start smoking all the time. Nobody has ever caved in, except for those who have tried tobacco before, and liked it, but those don't really count.
Now as for inhaling smoke being an unnatural act, think back to ancient times. In order to ensure the best protection, you need fire in your cave/hut/teepee/whatever to scare/smoke off the beasts. Those who could tolerate the smoke used fire, and slept well, breathing in the fumes as necessary. Those who couldn't were more likely to get eaten by bears, or at least have their food taken away. Fire been around as long as the hills, and smoke exposure along with it.
The pleasure of smoking is from the drug nicotine, not from smoking per se.
One could say smoking stirs ancient instincts within us, from those long lost cavedweller days, giving us feelings of comfort. I know if I wake up on one of those nights feeling alone for whatever reason, a nice fat stogie really helps.
In other words, I disagree. You could say the pleasure of drinking coffee comes from the caffeine, but thats not the whole story. You have the aroma, the taste, general oral stimulation, AND the main chemicals, as well as ancillary chemicals that make up the whole experience.
For example, those of you who smoke or have smoked, and have tried chaw/dip/etc chewing tobacco, what was your reaction after finishing? Of course..."OK, now I could sure use a cigarette." Ask anyone on the patch and they'll tell you the same thing.
Just make sure to change it back when you're done;)
Also, if you are using Firefox, grab the User Agent Switcher extension. If you are using Konqueror, you can set what user agent to report by domain in the options.
You aren't using that for all your general browsing though, are you? Thats almost as bad as running a "linux sucks" webpage with a "Powered by Gentoo" banner.
Then you are more than likely using a nightly build. There was a table rendering regression that came up after 0.8, and was fixed right before 0.9 came out
Wrong, there is are win apache builds availible. Look here. IMO, not the best option for a real production web server, but should work OK in a pinch for Virdows 98+.
Agreed, mandating tech is why NN4 is still hanging on after all these years. People at some government agencies still must use it because nothing better has been approved.
To trigger the maximum penalty, you would have to incur $2,500 in those 10 seconds. So if you could convince the court that sometimes you charge $900,000 an hour....
On another note, if you take a look at 609.87 Subd. 12:
Destructive computer program.
"Destructive computer program" means a computer program that performs a destructive function or produces a destructive product. A program performs a destructive function if it degrades performance of the affected computer[yep], associated peripherals[yep] or a computer program[definately]; disables the computer[partially], associated peripherals[uh huh] or a computer program[of course]; or destroys or alters computer programs or data. A program produces a destructive product if it produces unauthorized data, including data that make computer memory space unavailable[e.g., the copy protection keys]; results in the unauthorized alteration of data or computer programs; or produces a destructive computer program, including a self-replicating computer program[To be determined].
This definition gives a pretty clear cut case against them. Particularly if you were the one that disagreed to the EULA and it installed anyway. However, there doesn't appear to be any other clarifications or penalties definitions referencing this excerpt.
I'm no expert in law, but I'm thinking you could take this as a "no maximums" kind of deal, and claim $50 billion per millisecond of seek time...assuming your running Windows (a.k.a. the Codename Logwhore security model has given the Internet access to your hard drive) and that every employee in North America might have needed to accidentally jack your data at that moment in time for important business. Hey, everything that isn't impossible can happen, no matter how improbable;)
On a more serious note, the entire Minnesota statutes e-law-book (link goes to chapter 609) can be found here.
Yep, the links are set up as a table with td onclick events. So many folks use javascript for things better done with CSS. And while alot of people disable javascript, almost no one messes too much with user stylesheets. And even if they do, or are even if they are browsing with lynx, it will still work. An example:
Those plugin browsers are really uncool. IMNSHO, as a web developer of sorts, when somebody mentions CruftyBrowser, ShadyBrowser, or whatever other IE type extensions as a substitute for Mozilla and friends is what it would be like hearing someone bragging to his friends that he can borrow your truck and return it with no gas, after doing so.
Besides, isn't it just a little curious that not one of these freeware IE extension programs have any source code out there?
You have the same security problems (and potential additional security risks by the extension itself, ala the Googlebar hack), same lack of standards compliance, you're still chalking up hits for Internet Explorer (yes, the user agent stays the same if you use these), and depending on which one you use, about as much screen cruft as IE and Mosaic combined;)
Show some compassion, and some support for the coming of true 5th generation internet. Friends don't let friends drive on the information superhighway with MSHTML in their system.
You are reconsidering using Mozilla over popup blocking and a download manager, things that you would pick up easily anyway with the [Fav search engine] Bar and [i forgot the name of it, been so long] download manager?
I smell a troll.:D I don't know about the rest of the Moz users, but I don't use Mozilla because of its features. I could care less, I've enjoyed the web just as much using "links -g -driver svgalib -mode 800x600x64k".
Instead, I am "not using IE." I want the web to stay open for everyone. Keeping a split market share will ensure that. Trust me, its getting harder for open web advocates by the day to justify to the big wigs why not to only cater to the IE fat cat.
I use Mozilla for the same reason I don't vote for 3rd parties in elections. Go with getting the percentages up for the best guy running with what you have in mind. A bunch of "other" category browsers won't cut it. Big numbers count.
I'm sure you've all read it before here on Slashdot, about how the web is gonna be the Microsoft Web one of these days, but I'm tellin ya, it really hits home the first time a client says, and I quote, "Just get it working in Internet Explorer, and fuck the rest."
NOTE - Do not install Firefox over the top of another Firefox installation. If
you want to install Firefox 0.9 into the same folder that you had Firefox 0.8
in, uninstall Firefox 0.8 first. Upgrading will be fixed in a future release.
This broken system is especially irking when you post something not meant as a joke, and it is taken that way.
Probably the best thing to do when you reach karma cap is to post everything AC, and possibly mark your username at the bottom of the post. Every once and awhile you see a good +5 interesting or insightful comment posted AC, and you wonder "why'd whoever do that?". Well, now I know, to protect the Karma from the unpredictable, unemployed, humorless, chip-on-shoulder types.;)
I hope that they keep 0.8 on the front page, with 0.9 marked "unstable" or something equally scary. As a "feature complete" release, this is probably going to be the buggiest release of Fire*/Phoenix yet. Things appear to be rushed. While the ideas are neat, I would hardly advertise it as the "newest and best preview release of Mozilla's next generation browser", as declared on the mozilla frontpage. Still needs some work before primetime, but its gettin there.
I agree! Having Intervirus Exploder 6.0 With Lookout Distress, I can do everything I want to do and more!
-Install popup blockers laced with interesting/strange new programs!
-Randomly get all kinds of other interesting/strange new programs on my computer!
-Getting called a "n00b" behind my back by people who know better!
-And best of all, Contribute to the corporate ownership of the internet!
"He who makes a sheep of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man."
There is a luna theme availible, but it doesn't appear to be maintained anymore. It breaks some features in Firefox 0.8, but if the IE look is all you care about, there you are.
Well, what you are getting isn't quite Windows. Your paying for a disk image of Windows. It will not work at all if you need to replace your hard drive.
Given the years I use a given computer, I think the extra 50 bucks isn't worth it.
Think about it...all that time accumulating all that Windows $Thisversion dependant data. Ok my HD breaks. Am I willing to go back to that copy of Windows $Oldversion gathering dust on my cabinet? Hell no.
Ok, do I want to buy a new copy of Windows? No, I've never done that. I don't really need one, but I guess I'll buy a new computer with Windows $Currentversion.
HD's have about a 3 year lifecycle, and I use computers about 8-10 years before putting them down. Hard drives the same capacity as in a 3+ year old computer are cheep...definately not the cost of buying a computer new. So for me, the "decreased cost" of the Windows Disk Image Version doesn't quite add up.
Of course, if you are willing to pir8 a copy, W1nd0w$ [read: pirated Windows version] is actually a tad cheaper if you consider the occasional donation. But there again, everyone knows the criminal returns to the scene of the crime (the warez community). On that copy of W1nd0w$ you are accumulating Windows-dependant data, which leads you to Windows the next time in the same manner as purchasing it does. And, as the business community becomes more hostile to pirates in general (first the RIAA crowd, next the world), this will become more and more difficult, eventually forcing you to actually start purchasing your copies, or abandoning data on the way to another OS.
Of course, some of my reasoning is speculation, but in any case my ass is covered. All my data is regulary backed up, and in Open formats on my Free operating system, and will never go away. Well, unless as my house is burning down, I accidently knock over that barrel of Napalm sitting by my (up-to-a-certain-point-fireproof) Fireproof Safe.
Also, the only game I play is Wolfenstein:Enemy Territory, which runs perfecly fine on linux, and has given me nonstop entertainment for months at 0 cost.;)
3-5 tabs? Perhaps your machine needs more memory, but I regularly open an entire day of fark.com articles, till the tabs only big enough to show the page icon, and Firefox handles it fine.
Perhaps the disparity is dynamic vs. static virtual memory. All my machines have their virtual memory locked in at 3gig. This may help Firefox, among other programs, from biting off more than they can chew.
*Ahem* its still in beta. Are you expecting anything more?
However I've been using Firefox for about 3 months now, and its crashed on me twice. Of course, I routinely open an entire days worth of Fark in tabs ('Till even the icons are barely showing). I've been using it on 6 different PC's. Both crashes happened on my labtop, but then again, lots of things crash on it cause that sucker gets mighty hot.
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This newest new default theme does look much nicer than that macinwindows one they had before. If you are upgrading from regular 0.9, you won't see it if you have another theme installed. You'll have to switch back to default to see it.
For those BSOD fans:
Control Panel -> System -> Advanced tab
Click "Startup and Recovery" button.
In the System Recovery section, uncheck Automatically reboot
Click OK button.
There, we got BSOD baby!
Looks like Microsoft is completely entrenched in the far east, pirate versions or not. Try digging up web logs in places like Korea, Japan, New Zealand. Not unusual to see 70% MSIE6, 20% MSIE5, 10% MSIE4, 0.0002% "other".
Also, although bit off topic, thats probably why worldwide web stats show 1% "other", and stats local to places like US and Germany go from 4%-20% There are alot of countries out there that have yet to develop a healthy population of computer-literate power users and nerds.
People generally start smoking because they're young and see "everyone else doing it"
Yeah, thats what the anti-smoking ads say. But in the real world, ask any smoker the reason they started and they'll tell you they were either curious what it was like, or because of side benefits - like in the US Navy (perhaps armed forces in general), and some workplaces, if you smoke, you get quick breaks that you wouldn't otherwise get. Anyone who tells you otherwise either has forgotten how they started, or doesn't think curiosity counts as a reason, and/or just uses the peer pressure BS as an excuse.
Personally, I've liked the smell of smoke since day one. One night I snuck out back by myself with one of my dad's smokes, and tried it. It was delicious.
Nowadays, being the complete asshat that I am, I try convincing people to start smoking all the time. Nobody has ever caved in, except for those who have tried tobacco before, and liked it, but those don't really count.
Now as for inhaling smoke being an unnatural act, think back to ancient times. In order to ensure the best protection, you need fire in your cave/hut/teepee/whatever to scare/smoke off the beasts. Those who could tolerate the smoke used fire, and slept well, breathing in the fumes as necessary. Those who couldn't were more likely to get eaten by bears, or at least have their food taken away. Fire been around as long as the hills, and smoke exposure along with it.
The pleasure of smoking is from the drug nicotine, not from smoking per se.
One could say smoking stirs ancient instincts within us, from those long lost cavedweller days, giving us feelings of comfort. I know if I wake up on one of those nights feeling alone for whatever reason, a nice fat stogie really helps.
In other words, I disagree. You could say the pleasure of drinking coffee comes from the caffeine, but thats not the whole story. You have the aroma, the taste, general oral stimulation, AND the main chemicals, as well as ancillary chemicals that make up the whole experience.
For example, those of you who smoke or have smoked, and have tried chaw/dip/etc chewing tobacco, what was your reaction after finishing? Of course..."OK, now I could sure use a cigarette." Ask anyone on the patch and they'll tell you the same thing.
Safari? *Busted!* I didn't know Macs had a BSOD. So how do you get on Windows Update anyway? Do they release patches for OSX? ;)
Just make sure to change it back when you're done ;)
Also, if you are using Firefox, grab the User Agent Switcher extension. If you are using Konqueror, you can set what user agent to report by domain in the options.
You aren't using that for all your general browsing though, are you? Thats almost as bad as running a "linux sucks" webpage with a "Powered by Gentoo" banner.
Then you are more than likely using a nightly build. There was a table rendering regression that came up after 0.8, and was fixed right before 0.9 came out
"yeah and apache doesn't work on windows either"
Wrong, there is are win apache builds availible. Look here. IMO, not the best option for a real production web server, but should work OK in a pinch for Virdows 98+.
Agreed, mandating tech is why NN4 is still hanging on after all these years. People at some government agencies still must use it because nothing better has been approved.
To trigger the maximum penalty, you would have to incur $2,500 in those 10 seconds. So if you could convince the court that sometimes you charge $900,000 an hour....
;)
On another note, if you take a look at 609.87 Subd. 12:
Destructive computer program.
"Destructive computer program" means a computer program that performs a destructive function or produces a destructive product. A program performs a destructive function if it degrades performance of the affected computer[yep], associated peripherals[yep] or a computer program[definately]; disables the computer[partially], associated peripherals[uh huh] or a computer program[of course]; or destroys or alters computer programs or data. A program produces a destructive product if it produces unauthorized data, including data that make computer memory space unavailable[e.g., the copy protection keys]; results in the unauthorized alteration of data or computer programs; or produces a destructive computer program, including a self-replicating computer program[To be determined].
This definition gives a pretty clear cut case against them. Particularly if you were the one that disagreed to the EULA and it installed anyway. However, there doesn't appear to be any other clarifications or penalties definitions referencing this excerpt.
I'm no expert in law, but I'm thinking you could take this as a "no maximums" kind of deal, and claim $50 billion per millisecond of seek time...assuming your running Windows (a.k.a. the Codename Logwhore security model has given the Internet access to your hard drive) and that every employee in North America might have needed to accidentally jack your data at that moment in time for important business. Hey, everything that isn't impossible can happen, no matter how improbable
On a more serious note, the entire Minnesota statutes e-law-book (link goes to chapter 609) can be found here.
Try this on for size ;)
Load the extension, turn it on, make the FF window small so it fits the window. Looks like with a few chrome tweaks its ready to rock.
<html>
</html>
So if Minimo decides to drop something obscure like onclick events on td's, you ass is covered
Those plugin browsers are really uncool. IMNSHO, as a web developer of sorts, when somebody mentions CruftyBrowser, ShadyBrowser, or whatever other IE type extensions as a substitute for Mozilla and friends is what it would be like hearing someone bragging to his friends that he can borrow your truck and return it with no gas, after doing so.
;)
Besides, isn't it just a little curious that not one of these freeware IE extension programs have any source code out there?
You have the same security problems (and potential additional security risks by the extension itself, ala the Googlebar hack), same lack of standards compliance, you're still chalking up hits for Internet Explorer (yes, the user agent stays the same if you use these), and depending on which one you use, about as much screen cruft as IE and Mosaic combined
Show some compassion, and some support for the coming of true 5th generation internet. Friends don't let friends drive on the information superhighway with MSHTML in their system.
You are reconsidering using Mozilla over popup blocking and a download manager, things that you would pick up easily anyway with the [Fav search engine] Bar and [i forgot the name of it, been so long] download manager?
:D I don't know about the rest of the Moz users, but I don't use Mozilla because of its features. I could care less, I've enjoyed the web just as much using "links -g -driver svgalib -mode 800x600x64k".
I smell a troll.
Instead, I am "not using IE." I want the web to stay open for everyone. Keeping a split market share will ensure that. Trust me, its getting harder for open web advocates by the day to justify to the big wigs why not to only cater to the IE fat cat.
I use Mozilla for the same reason I don't vote for 3rd parties in elections. Go with getting the percentages up for the best guy running with what you have in mind. A bunch of "other" category browsers won't cut it. Big numbers count.
I'm sure you've all read it before here on Slashdot, about how the web is gonna be the Microsoft Web one of these days, but I'm tellin ya, it really hits home the first time a client says, and I quote, "Just get it working in Internet Explorer, and fuck the rest."
This is a known bug.
From bugzilla:
NOTE - Do not install Firefox over the top of another Firefox installation. If you want to install Firefox 0.9 into the same folder that you had Firefox 0.8 in, uninstall Firefox 0.8 first. Upgrading will be fixed in a future release.
Bug filed here: http://bug zilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=246868
Amen!
;)
This broken system is especially irking when you post something not meant as a joke, and it is taken that way.
Probably the best thing to do when you reach karma cap is to post everything AC, and possibly mark your username at the bottom of the post. Every once and awhile you see a good +5 interesting or insightful comment posted AC, and you wonder "why'd whoever do that?". Well, now I know, to protect the Karma from the unpredictable, unemployed, humorless, chip-on-shoulder types.
I hope that they keep 0.8 on the front page, with 0.9 marked "unstable" or something equally scary. As a "feature complete" release, this is probably going to be the buggiest release of Fire*/Phoenix yet. Things appear to be rushed. While the ideas are neat, I would hardly advertise it as the "newest and best preview release of Mozilla's next generation browser", as declared on the mozilla frontpage. Still needs some work before primetime, but its gettin there.
I agree! Having Intervirus Exploder 6.0 With Lookout Distress, I can do everything I want to do and more!
-Install popup blockers laced with interesting/strange new programs!
-Randomly get all kinds of other interesting/strange new programs on my computer!
-Getting called a "n00b" behind my back by people who know better!
-And best of all, Contribute to the corporate ownership of the internet!
"He who makes a sheep of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man."
Haha, I would have never noticed. Ah, but this is forgivable because there never was a Linux installer before.
I think I'll go file that bug if nobody has beat me to it.
There is a luna theme availible, but it doesn't appear to be maintained anymore. It breaks some features in Firefox 0.8, but if the IE look is all you care about, there you are.
Well, what you are getting isn't quite Windows. Your paying for a disk image of Windows. It will not work at all if you need to replace your hard drive.
;)
Given the years I use a given computer, I think the extra 50 bucks isn't worth it.
Think about it...all that time accumulating all that Windows $Thisversion dependant data. Ok my HD breaks. Am I willing to go back to that copy of Windows $Oldversion gathering dust on my cabinet? Hell no.
Ok, do I want to buy a new copy of Windows? No, I've never done that. I don't really need one, but I guess I'll buy a new computer with Windows $Currentversion.
HD's have about a 3 year lifecycle, and I use computers about 8-10 years before putting them down. Hard drives the same capacity as in a 3+ year old computer are cheep...definately not the cost of buying a computer new. So for me, the "decreased cost" of the Windows Disk Image Version doesn't quite add up.
Of course, if you are willing to pir8 a copy, W1nd0w$ [read: pirated Windows version] is actually a tad cheaper if you consider the occasional donation. But there again, everyone knows the criminal returns to the scene of the crime (the warez community). On that copy of W1nd0w$ you are accumulating Windows-dependant data, which leads you to Windows the next time in the same manner as purchasing it does. And, as the business community becomes more hostile to pirates in general (first the RIAA crowd, next the world), this will become more and more difficult, eventually forcing you to actually start purchasing your copies, or abandoning data on the way to another OS.
Of course, some of my reasoning is speculation, but in any case my ass is covered. All my data is regulary backed up, and in Open formats on my Free operating system, and will never go away. Well, unless as my house is burning down, I accidently knock over that barrel of Napalm sitting by my (up-to-a-certain-point-fireproof) Fireproof Safe.
Also, the only game I play is Wolfenstein:Enemy Territory, which runs perfecly fine on linux, and has given me nonstop entertainment for months at 0 cost.
Is it just me, or does the satellite photo, the last picture in the BBC article, look like Mel Gibson with his nose pirched on his fist?
3-5 tabs? Perhaps your machine needs more memory, but I regularly open an entire day of fark.com articles, till the tabs only big enough to show the page icon, and Firefox handles it fine.
Perhaps the disparity is dynamic vs. static virtual memory. All my machines have their virtual memory locked in at 3gig. This may help Firefox, among other programs, from biting off more than they can chew.
I find that firefox crashes rather a lot, though.
*Ahem* its still in beta. Are you expecting anything more?
However I've been using Firefox for about 3 months now, and its crashed on me twice. Of course, I routinely open an entire days worth of Fark in tabs ('Till even the icons are barely showing). I've been using it on 6 different PC's. Both crashes happened on my labtop, but then again, lots of things crash on it cause that sucker gets mighty hot.
Mmmm I smell FUDge!