That is a word-for-word quotation from Levy's Hackers, p117 paragraph 2. Why do you think I said it was a 'real quote'?
The 'koan' you cite is a made-up story written by someone, no doubt based on the original Levy material. Note that Levy actually interviewed both participants in the encounter, and neither apparently corroborated the 'closing your eyes' part. While more amusing, I went with the factual account over the 'koan'. Besides, it's not a real koan if they explain the meaning in the text, now is it?:P
Perhaps I should have made it clearer and said it was a real account, not just a quote.
"One day, master Kernighan sat down with his apprentice and asked, 'What is the sound of one bit flipping?' The apprentice answered by raising one finger."
"As Dennis Ritchie was pondering over the coding of the first UNIX kernel, a butterfly landed on his nose. And lo, he was enlightened."
"Stroustrup ran to the head monk, exclaiming, 'Master! I have added object-orientation to the C programming language! I have been enlightened!' to which the head monk responded by hitting him on the head with a stick."
"Theo DeRaadt looked over the cuts of meat in a butcher-shop, and complained loudly, 'This is all crap! What's the best meat you have here?' to which the butcher replied, 'Everything here is the best! You cannot have anything but the best!' and thus DeRaadt was enlightened."
"Once, a hacker asked master Torvalds, 'Does the Linux kernal have the Turing nature?' To which Torvalds replied, 'Get me a beer'."
And now a real quote, from Steven Levy's Hackers:
So Sussman began working on the program. Not long after, this odd-looking bald guy came over. Sussman figured the guy was going to boot him out, but instead the guy came over. Sussman figured the guy was going to boot him out, but instead the man sat down, asking, "Hey, what are you doing?" Sussman talked over the program with the man, Marvin Minsky. At one point in the discussion, Sussman told Minsky he was using a certain randomizing technique in his program because he didn't want the machine to have any preconcieved notions. Minsky said, "Well, it has them, it's just that you don't know what they are." It was the most profound thing Gerry Sussman had ever heard.
Don't they teach you new whippersnappers anything these days? Or do I have to explain the origin of the "No wireless. Less capacity than a Nomad. Lame." and the "and then it was like, beep beep beep..." joke to you, as well?:)
I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you Mac fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of one of the new Macs (a 1.6terahz G6 w/256 Gigs of RAM and OS X Manx) for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to copy a 700 Meg rip of Braveheart from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. 20 minutes. And there's a popup screen telling me "Don't Steal Movies" the entire time.
At home, on my Pentium Pro 200 running NT 4, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this Mac, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.
What the hell? Although calling Israel a US state is insulting, every point the guy said is true. And he didn't even start on the Palestinian conflict.
From the American Forces Press Service: The increased competition brought about by EU arms sales to China could also lead Russia and Israel -- currently the largest suppliers of arms and military technology to China -- to relax their existing limits on such sales.
From the International Herald Tribune: For many years, Israel has received the largest sum of U.S. aid. Washington provided $2.3 billion in military aid and more than $500 million in economic assistance last year, according to the U.S. Embassy in Israel.
And in case you're wondering if he was being too anti-Israeli: 51st state on Wikipedia: While sometimes used in a serious political context, it is often used colloquially or humorously to refer to associates which act based on American influences, such as Australia, Canada or the United Kingdom.
Right now (T+ 6:03:00) on NASA TV mission control is saying to the crew that they've detected two unknown objects falling off at the time of SRB separation, one on video and one on radar, and that they will be going over those soon.
They have told the crew that there is no schedule change for the mission, and that they just wanted to inform the crew, there are no real problems detected as of now.
Haha, no kidding, but at least they aren't spending it on totally moronic crap like a flight suit for a plane ride for the president. I'd be really funny to see Koizumi or the emperor pulling a stunt like that, though.
I live in a prefecture which is Japan's answer to rural Iowa
Hmmm... Kumamoto? Aomori? Hokkaido? Enquiring minds want to know what part of Japan is their answer to rural Iowa...
Not that I should talk, I'm from Kagoshima. It's not so different from the American deep south, really, including rebellions.
As for the supercomputers, like I said, at least a lot of the stuff that gets pork-barreled in Japan can be useful, unlike here in the US where we spend it in ways that don't benefit society at all. My city just spent millions of tax dollars building a new stadium for our NBA team, when we already have one that just opened in the 90s but turned out to be a boondoggle, and we have an even older stadium that's still usable. But the NBA team controls the old stadium, and doesn't want competition, so we'll probobly end up tearing down the multi-million dollar stadium we built in the 90s. *sigh* I wish they'd just bought a supercomputer instead.
I suspect this supercomputer thing is a combination of politicians who don't really understand what they're useful for but know "we gotta keep up with the Americans/Euros/Chinese", and a excercise in national competition and good old industry pork. Just like NASA over here. I'm suprised Japan isn't spending more on their space program, especially with China and North Korea advancing in the field... how was the Japanese reaction to the Chinese manned mission, btw? Any serious calls for a Japanese one yet?
Given his age, I thought he might have some older kids and even grandkids... and what do you know, he does.
Quote: Wife: Janet Young (m. 1949, div. 1964, four children) Son: Larkin Doohan (nurse, b. 1954) Daughter: Deirdre Doohan (carpenter, b. 1957) Son: Montgomery Doohan (twin, b. 1959) Son: Christopher Doohan (twin, b. 1959, rock'n'roller with band The Mudflaps) Wife: Anita Yagel (m. 1967, div. 1972) Wife: Wende Doohan (m. 1975, three children) Son: Eric Doohan (author, The Pocket Players' Guide for Magic: The Gathering) Son: Thomas Doohan Daughter: Sarah Doohan (b. 11-Apr-2000)
So no, I don't think she'll be growing up alone with no one to care for her. But hey, let's just make self-righteous remarks about other families we don't even know, eh? Hell, I was raised partly by my grandparents, who cares if she's raised by her brothers and mom(who is still young)?
Farming is not really possible with elephants. Jared Diamond's series on PBS, Guns, germs and steel mentioned in one episode that elephants have never successfully been farmed. They have work elephants in India, but they have to be caught in the wild and domesticated.
It might be possible on a free range farm the size of a huge park, but then it'd be the same thing as a nature preserve, and you might as well let them live.
Besides, do we really need a reputable ivory trade? I don't think billiard balls and piano keys are really worth killing elephants for.
No kidding. I'm as much a geek as anyone here, but I went for a few years without buying a writable DVD drive because I didn't have to write that much data. When I went to the store, I find that they have like a half-dozen standards, and some drives can read DVD-R, DVD+R, and DVD-RW, but not DVD+RW, some can read DVD-R and DVD-RW but not teh +R or +RW...
"What, you mean there's a difference between the ones with the dash and ones with the plus?"
Utter confusion. I can only imagine what some non-techie would have done.
I'm imagining Bill Gates at his million-dollar home, going out in his bathrobe to get the paper. He looks up from the door, and sees a giant blob of gnus, penguins, old motherboards, and cabling that towers over him rolling his way.
I'm a Slashdotter, and I want to clairfy some things I keep hearing about Slashdot from Farkers.
* Yes we are the one ruled by a Cowboy and a Taco. * Tacos are tasty, yeah. * Yes, we have lots of dupes. * Never confuse us with Kuro5hiners, they hate that. * No, we don't all make Goatse posts. * Yes, we had so many Goatse links at one point they created link domain warnings. * Yes, we have lots of dupes. * We've doubled the number of women here this year, to 4. * I know this will get modded flamebait, but Slashdot mods have groupthink and tend to mod things the oppisite of what the post says it will get.
But was it using OS/2 Operating System, or did it have Windows NT technology with BSOD screens? Man, Windows crashes are annoying.
I would RTFA the article, but if I IIRC, those IBM machines have been going out of style for decades. I've heard new ATM machines have a Universal USB bus just like a PC computer, and you can use biometric ID identifier devices.
Geez, everyone here seems to be taking this as a joke or something, but here's someone who has some info.
That said, the submitter REALLY needed to be precise - What country? What type of mapping? What level of detail?
"West Africa" is HUGE, and there are varying politics, culture, infrastructure and religion in each country. If you'd asked about "East Asia" South Korea is so developed that you could buy any kind of map you need, but next door in North Korea you'd get arrested for bringing in a GPS device. Details are important...
Cut him some slack, Floodimus (npflood@alumni.cedarville.edu) is obviously a graduate student. He can't be expected to use common sense or logic, he's college educated.
AFAIK, American soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan are immune from local courts as well - any charges have to go through the U.S. military. So what was that about the UN not being accountable?
Rapes and assaults by American military personnel have been a huge issue in Korea and Japan for years, so it was a bit galling to see some American complaining about "UN troops" being preverted or violent. Why don't you clean up your own goddamn house first?
Your understanding of innovation is absurd, if you think that the endless streams of American FPSes, RTSes, and EASports titles are worthy of being called 'innovation'. I could make just as much fun of "Doom Quakem Forever XVIII Arena Tournament to Capture Some Goddamn Flag" or "Madden (insert year here)" or "Command of Warcraft: Age of Kingdoms XX", or "NASCAR: Turn Left For Three Hours". Of course, there are innovative games coming out of the US, as there is in Japan, but let's just ignore that and throw insults at longstanding series, shall we?
The only new genre that has come out recently are rythm games, and I believe Japan created it. Other genres created by Japan include stealth games, rail shooters, 3d racing games, etc.
there isnt alot of difference between Western European, Canadian and American developers to make a distinction. I think many of them would take offense at that, especially the Europeans. They have distinct differences in design, especially the French.
1) CREATED THE FIRST COMMERICALLY SUCCESSFUL CONSOLES!!!! Hmmm... thats a pretty big one isnt it? The Atari and Intellivision basically invented the market. Not to mention the games on those systems pioneered most of the concepts that are cloned today. Yes, and you guys lost the crown sometime between the SMS and NES. So keep bragging about your pre-80s dominance. Care to name an American console you'd like to have that came out between the Atari and the Xbox?
2) Created the first 1st person shooter. Thats a pretty big deal, no? And you guys have been remaking that same game ever since, with bettwer graphics. What coming out next year, "Return to The Ruins of Castle Wolfenstein to Beat A Dead Horse"?
3) Basically created every innovation in sports games. I don't play those, but IIRC, Europeans were ahead in innovation for soccer and racing games for a long time.
4) Pioneered physics in games. Care to explain? Nearly every game has an inbuilt physics system, so I assume you mean 'realistic physics'?
5) The entire line of SIM games. Hell, basically Will Wright has ever done. The guy has been flogging a dead horse for years. He does have his fans, though.
6) The god game genre. Aka, Populous You mean the one that was made by a Frenchman?
7) The first real time strategy games. Aka, Star Craft Ahahaha... you must be new at this "gaming" thing, if you can't remember WarCraft II, C&C (not the music factory), Dune II... there are others that are arguably 'RTSes', but Dune II from Westwood Studios is generally considered the first RTS.
8) Computer RPGs. Yeah, the thing everyone thinks Japanese do so well refined from North American games. American RPGs are different enough from Japanese RPGs that many consider them separate genres. American RPGs are like a D&D game with a computer instead of a GM, Japanese RPGs are more action and character-oriented.
It has lots of info, including places to watch, radio and TV stations that will cover the launch, and scanner frequencies to listen to NASA, plus photography tips. He recommends Space Launch Park in Titusville, btw. Read his site for more info.
It's address is easy to remember, too: space.launch.info/faq.html
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That is a word-for-word quotation from Levy's Hackers, p117 paragraph 2. Why do you think I said it was a 'real quote'?
:P
The 'koan' you cite is a made-up story written by someone, no doubt based on the original Levy material. Note that Levy actually interviewed both participants in the encounter, and neither apparently corroborated the 'closing your eyes' part. While more amusing, I went with the factual account over the 'koan'. Besides, it's not a real koan if they explain the meaning in the text, now is it?
Perhaps I should have made it clearer and said it was a real account, not just a quote.
So what you're saying is -
:)
No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame.
?
"One day, master Kernighan sat down with his apprentice and asked, 'What is the sound of one bit flipping?' The apprentice answered by raising one finger."
"As Dennis Ritchie was pondering over the coding of the first UNIX kernel, a butterfly landed on his nose. And lo, he was enlightened."
"Stroustrup ran to the head monk, exclaiming, 'Master! I have added object-orientation to the C programming language! I have been enlightened!' to which the head monk responded by hitting him on the head with a stick."
"Theo DeRaadt looked over the cuts of meat in a butcher-shop, and complained loudly, 'This is all crap! What's the best meat you have here?' to which the butcher replied, 'Everything here is the best! You cannot have anything but the best!' and thus DeRaadt was enlightened."
"Once, a hacker asked master Torvalds, 'Does the Linux kernal have the Turing nature?' To which Torvalds replied, 'Get me a beer'."
And now a real quote, from Steven Levy's Hackers:
So Sussman began working on the program. Not long after, this odd-looking bald guy came over. Sussman figured the guy was going to boot him out, but instead the guy came over. Sussman figured the guy was going to boot him out, but instead the man sat down, asking, "Hey, what are you doing?" Sussman talked over the program with the man, Marvin Minsky. At one point in the discussion, Sussman told Minsky he was using a certain randomizing technique in his program because he didn't want the machine to have any preconcieved notions. Minsky said, "Well, it has them, it's just that you don't know what they are." It was the most profound thing Gerry Sussman had ever heard.
It looks like some people don't know a classic Slashdot joke when they see one.
:)
Don't they teach you new whippersnappers anything these days? Or do I have to explain the origin of the "No wireless. Less capacity than a Nomad. Lame." and the "and then it was like, beep beep beep..." joke to you, as well?
I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you Mac fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of one of the new Macs (a 1.6terahz G6 w/256 Gigs of RAM and OS X Manx) for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to copy a 700 Meg rip of Braveheart from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. 20 minutes. And there's a popup screen telling me "Don't Steal Movies" the entire time.
At home, on my Pentium Pro 200 running NT 4, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this Mac, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.
They may grab us by our dicks, but they.... uh... ooooh... ahhhhh... will never take... uuuuhhhhhhh... OH OH OH... OUR FREEDOM!!!!
Why are you all looking at me like that? Is my kilt rumpled?
I think you're confusing this with "Bastard Operator From Hell Appreciation Day", which is every other day of the year.
Suprisingly, so does the Pentagon, or at least the mail building next to it. Who'd have thought the DoD would be green?
What the hell? Although calling Israel a US state is insulting, every point the guy said is true. And he didn't even start on the Palestinian conflict.
From the American Forces Press Service:
The increased competition brought about by EU arms sales to China could also lead Russia and Israel -- currently the largest suppliers of arms and military technology to China -- to relax their existing limits on such sales.
From the International Herald Tribune:
For many years, Israel has received the largest sum of U.S. aid. Washington provided $2.3 billion in military aid and more than $500 million in economic assistance last year, according to the U.S. Embassy in Israel.
And in case you're wondering if he was being too anti-Israeli: 51st state on Wikipedia:
While sometimes used in a serious political context, it is often used colloquially or humorously to refer to associates which act based on American influences, such as Australia, Canada or the United Kingdom.
Maybe in the future, they can line vulnerable parts of the shuttle with Fabio.
Right now (T+ 6:03:00) on NASA TV mission control is saying to the crew that they've detected two unknown objects falling off at the time of SRB separation, one on video and one on radar, and that they will be going over those soon.
They have told the crew that there is no schedule change for the mission, and that they just wanted to inform the crew, there are no real problems detected as of now.
Haha, no kidding, but at least they aren't spending it on totally moronic crap like a flight suit for a plane ride for the president. I'd be really funny to see Koizumi or the emperor pulling a stunt like that, though.
I live in a prefecture which is Japan's answer to rural Iowa
Hmmm... Kumamoto? Aomori? Hokkaido? Enquiring minds want to know what part of Japan is their answer to rural Iowa...
Not that I should talk, I'm from Kagoshima. It's not so different from the American deep south, really, including rebellions.
As for the supercomputers, like I said, at least a lot of the stuff that gets pork-barreled in Japan can be useful, unlike here in the US where we spend it in ways that don't benefit society at all. My city just spent millions of tax dollars building a new stadium for our NBA team, when we already have one that just opened in the 90s but turned out to be a boondoggle, and we have an even older stadium that's still usable. But the NBA team controls the old stadium, and doesn't want competition, so we'll probobly end up tearing down the multi-million dollar stadium we built in the 90s. *sigh* I wish they'd just bought a supercomputer instead.
I suspect this supercomputer thing is a combination of politicians who don't really understand what they're useful for but know "we gotta keep up with the Americans/Euros/Chinese", and a excercise in national competition and good old industry pork. Just like NASA over here. I'm suprised Japan isn't spending more on their space program, especially with China and North Korea advancing in the field... how was the Japanese reaction to the Chinese manned mission, btw? Any serious calls for a Japanese one yet?
Given his age, I thought he might have some older kids and even grandkids... and what do you know, he does.
Quote:
Wife: Janet Young (m. 1949, div. 1964, four children)
Son: Larkin Doohan (nurse, b. 1954)
Daughter: Deirdre Doohan (carpenter, b. 1957)
Son: Montgomery Doohan (twin, b. 1959)
Son: Christopher Doohan (twin, b. 1959, rock'n'roller with band The Mudflaps)
Wife: Anita Yagel (m. 1967, div. 1972)
Wife: Wende Doohan (m. 1975, three children)
Son: Eric Doohan (author, The Pocket Players' Guide for Magic: The Gathering)
Son: Thomas Doohan
Daughter: Sarah Doohan (b. 11-Apr-2000)
So no, I don't think she'll be growing up alone with no one to care for her. But hey, let's just make self-righteous remarks about other families we don't even know, eh? Hell, I was raised partly by my grandparents, who cares if she's raised by her brothers and mom(who is still young)?
Farming is not really possible with elephants. Jared Diamond's series on PBS, Guns, germs and steel mentioned in one episode that elephants have never successfully been farmed. They have work elephants in India, but they have to be caught in the wild and domesticated.
It might be possible on a free range farm the size of a huge park, but then it'd be the same thing as a nature preserve, and you might as well let them live.
Besides, do we really need a reputable ivory trade? I don't think billiard balls and piano keys are really worth killing elephants for.
You must have missed the link that said "Click here for source and older versions"
No kidding. I'm as much a geek as anyone here, but I went for a few years without buying a writable DVD drive because I didn't have to write that much data. When I went to the store, I find that they have like a half-dozen standards, and some drives can read DVD-R, DVD+R, and DVD-RW, but not DVD+RW, some can read DVD-R and DVD-RW but not teh +R or +RW...
"What, you mean there's a difference between the ones with the dash and ones with the plus?"
Utter confusion. I can only imagine what some non-techie would have done.
Come on, haven't you ever seen a ultrasound and thought, "in 19, 20 years she's gonna be a major geek hottie"?
:P
It must be just a geek impulse - whenever we see a female on a CRT monitor, we've conditioned ourselves to thinking she's hot
Hahahaha...
I'm imagining Bill Gates at his million-dollar home, going out in his bathrobe to get the paper. He looks up from the door, and sees a giant blob of gnus, penguins, old motherboards, and cabling that towers over him rolling his way.
His lat words will be, "What... the... HELL?!?!"
I'm a Slashdotter, and I want to clairfy some things I keep hearing about Slashdot from Farkers.
* Yes we are the one ruled by a Cowboy and a Taco.
* Tacos are tasty, yeah.
* Yes, we have lots of dupes.
* Never confuse us with Kuro5hiners, they hate that.
* No, we don't all make Goatse posts.
* Yes, we had so many Goatse links at one point they created link domain warnings.
* Yes, we have lots of dupes.
* We've doubled the number of women here this year, to 4.
* I know this will get modded flamebait, but Slashdot mods have groupthink and tend to mod things the oppisite of what the post says it will get.
But was it using OS/2 Operating System, or did it have Windows NT technology with BSOD screens? Man, Windows crashes are annoying.
I would RTFA the article, but if I IIRC, those IBM machines have been going out of style for decades. I've heard new ATM machines have a Universal USB bus just like a PC computer, and you can use biometric ID identifier devices.
Geez, everyone here seems to be taking this as a joke or something, but here's someone who has some info.
That said, the submitter REALLY needed to be precise - What country? What type of mapping? What level of detail?
"West Africa" is HUGE, and there are varying politics, culture, infrastructure and religion in each country. If you'd asked about "East Asia" South Korea is so developed that you could buy any kind of map you need, but next door in North Korea you'd get arrested for bringing in a GPS device. Details are important...
Cut him some slack, Floodimus (npflood@alumni.cedarville.edu) is obviously a graduate student. He can't be expected to use common sense or logic, he's college educated.
So, are those half-white or half-black kids running around Vietnam all a result of consentual sex between adults that didn't involve cash?
And it hasn't stopped after the war. In fact, it seems to be a habit with you guys. But at least we can prosecute in our own courts, unlike Korea.
AFAIK, American soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan are immune from local courts as well - any charges have to go through the U.S. military. So what was that about the UN not being accountable?
Rapes and assaults by American military personnel have been a huge issue in Korea and Japan for years, so it was a bit galling to see some American complaining about "UN troops" being preverted or violent. Why don't you clean up your own goddamn house first?
Your understanding of innovation is absurd, if you think that the endless streams of American FPSes, RTSes, and EASports titles are worthy of being called 'innovation'. I could make just as much fun of "Doom Quakem Forever XVIII Arena Tournament to Capture Some Goddamn Flag" or "Madden (insert year here)" or "Command of Warcraft: Age of Kingdoms XX", or "NASCAR: Turn Left For Three Hours". Of course, there are innovative games coming out of the US, as there is in Japan, but let's just ignore that and throw insults at longstanding series, shall we?
The only new genre that has come out recently are rythm games, and I believe Japan created it. Other genres created by Japan include stealth games, rail shooters, 3d racing games, etc.
there isnt alot of difference between Western European, Canadian and American developers to make a distinction.
I think many of them would take offense at that, especially the Europeans. They have distinct differences in design, especially the French.
1) CREATED THE FIRST COMMERICALLY SUCCESSFUL CONSOLES!!!! Hmmm... thats a pretty big one isnt it? The Atari and Intellivision basically invented the market. Not to mention the games on those systems pioneered most of the concepts that are cloned today.
Yes, and you guys lost the crown sometime between the SMS and NES. So keep bragging about your pre-80s dominance. Care to name an American console you'd like to have that came out between the Atari and the Xbox?
2) Created the first 1st person shooter. Thats a pretty big deal, no?
And you guys have been remaking that same game ever since, with bettwer graphics. What coming out next year, "Return to The Ruins of Castle Wolfenstein to Beat A Dead Horse"?
3) Basically created every innovation in sports games.
I don't play those, but IIRC, Europeans were ahead in innovation for soccer and racing games for a long time.
4) Pioneered physics in games.
Care to explain? Nearly every game has an inbuilt physics system, so I assume you mean 'realistic physics'?
5) The entire line of SIM games. Hell, basically Will Wright has ever done.
The guy has been flogging a dead horse for years. He does have his fans, though.
6) The god game genre. Aka, Populous
You mean the one that was made by a Frenchman?
7) The first real time strategy games. Aka, Star Craft
Ahahaha... you must be new at this "gaming" thing, if you can't remember WarCraft II, C&C (not the music factory), Dune II... there are others that are arguably 'RTSes', but Dune II from Westwood Studios is generally considered the first RTS.
8) Computer RPGs. Yeah, the thing everyone thinks Japanese do so well refined from North American games.
American RPGs are different enough from Japanese RPGs that many consider them separate genres. American RPGs are like a D&D game with a computer instead of a GM, Japanese RPGs are more action and character-oriented.
Wow, I can't believe someone hasn't posted this yet, it was posted in a NASA article less than a week ago...
Ozzie's Space Launch Viewing FAQ.
It has lots of info, including places to watch, radio and TV stations that will cover the launch, and scanner frequencies to listen to NASA, plus photography tips. He recommends Space Launch Park in Titusville, btw. Read his site for more info.
It's address is easy to remember, too: space.launch.info/faq.html