Agree 100%, this has been done many times over. back in 99/2000 I was contracted to do a technical code review of one such implementation of web annotation by a startup (they went bust after initial release due to lack of interest), but even then when doing research there were multiple other companies trying the same thing and
That is a few measly billion dollars A YEAR. something tells me for such a huge motivator they would most definitely consider moving, especially consideringjust about any other state would probably make a deal with them to get them there that would see even more savings.
It has everything to do with your comment, I completely agree with, but to make it without a fair appraisal of the other side is just as biased as both of those reviews.
And if you google "John Dvorak" you will discover he is a fucking retard that spends most of his time with his head up his arse and then complains about the smell.
Neither author has much credibility, Dvorak probably has significantly less when it comes to IT as he is just a publicity whore with less IT knowledge than the average gerbil. So just another pointless useless slashdot article that is only here because it has a slight negative slant towards MS.
Any way you look at those numbers the momentum is huge, lop 50% off, hell lop 75% off and it is still a massive number for a portal/collaboration product.
You make a great point about how large the user base for sharepoint is. However, if the numbers are so great, why would they need to inflate them? If the article above is correct, the vendor's sales and marketing experts believe that the sales boon to be had from making the the user base appear larger than it is overrides the embarrassment of making up the figures.
This would contrast with the scenario that you sketch out where sharepoint has really penetrated to such a degree that no lying on momentum is required.
As I also said, I doubt the numbers are a lie. The article is just a pile of crap and only introduces an ounce of honesty towards the end.
"IDC analyst Melissa Webster, who has closely studied SharePoint's sales and user ship figures, said, "I didn't believe them in the beginning either." But after going over the discount allocation issue with Microsoft "using a very fine-tooth comb," Webster said she's convinced Microsoft is not inflating its SharePoint revenue. "As a public company, Microsoft is governed by pretty darn strict laws, that have only gotten stricter," she said. Also, the product groups inside Microsoft are highly competitive fiefdoms that are unlikely to sacrifice their sales to pump up SharePoint, she said. Even if SharePoint's actual use today is overstated, most analysts feel the product's impact on the market isn't."
Your using an out of date version of a massively cut down product. This is the equivalent to comparing notepad and word, both sorta do the same thing but to say you have any knowledge of how word works because you have used notepad would be idiotic, the same with WSS and SharePoint, they are 2 very different products.
This won't do shit to them against the PS3, the 3rd party storage market is hardly huge for the Xbox, I would bet the majority of users don't have one or any interest in getting one, the built in hard drive is sufficient for most users. I am saying that as an Avid gamer with a large 360 library with friends that are the same and NONE of us has 3rd party devices.
Last time I checked foreign students paid many times that of a domestic student. In effect the foreign students subsidise the domestic as without them there would be less places and higher fees for domestic students.
Its not hard at all. DNS poisoning, Man in the middle attacks, not to mention the bots constantly spamming attacks for known vulnerabilities would probably massively increase if this sort of misinformed quasi security practise was adopted
Poison DNS. Requires the name server for your ISP to be misconfigured or unpatched.
-AND-
MITM a cert that verifies as the bank (using null character hack). Requires a vulnerable browser and a CA that will issue it with a NULL, or some new unseen hack.
Not hard? Each is fairly difficult and you have to do both. That's hard-core.
The other 'vulnerability' you mention is rehacking a linux livecd running with no services and almost certainly behind a firewall or some kind during the time they are doing their banking? Good luck with that. Can you link to even *one* remote hack for the IP stack, that didn't require a service being run?
security through obscurity is NOT enough when you are talking about your financial details, even a patched windows box.....shudder... is BETTER than an unpatched liveCD.
Total BS. It's not security through obscurity, it's security though non-exposure. It doesn't matter that we are all vulnerable to hiv, you aren't going to get it if you don't exchange fluids. Even a ten year old livecd is better than a patched Windows that's been promiscuous.
You are talking about bank details being hacked, the people doing this ARE ORGANISED AND HARD CORE and will and DO spend a great deal of time and money coming up with hacks to get money, give them a nice juicy target like a known bank that distributes liveCD's to customers and I doubt it would last more than a month or 2 before millions started walking out the door.
don't like DNS poisoning then how about a brided ISP admin or how about a nice botnet ready to spam packets at a vulnerability when it is found, not hard to write in memory loggers and pretty damn easy to pick a time of day people will use the CD (eg. if doing it where I live I would run it at 6-8pm on a thursday night as I know that is pay day for a large percentage of the town and people logon to there bank here to pay bills)
To me BSG lost any credibility it had with that pathetic ending.
Writer 1: shit we need some way to finish this
Writer 2 : F@@#$% if I know
Writer 3: how about we just throw in religion and steal an ending from some old show no one remembers like the BBC hitchhikers series
Writer 1 and 2: whatever we have been paid who gves a shit.
would love to see a link to an article on that too, the quack.exe one was just on optimising for specific apps with application specific instructions in the driver not altering output.
That is more Quasi cheating similar to what Intel are doing, but as I said I was not saying they were innocent, just I could not remember them doing it as until recently I just did not use or care about there products. Nvidia on the other hand were far more blatant with the cheating, going so far as to alter the output or not render some stuff in order to artificially inflate there numbers.
Don't remember AMD cheating, But then I have only more recently become a big ATI fan, However Nvidia has a long history of benchmark cheating in drivers in order to make there stuff look better than it is and many times it was far more blatant than what intel is doing here
These hacks are not installing malware on the xbox either, they are social engineering attacks, neither the Xbox nor Xbox live are being attacked (as usual the article summary is misleading). The reason the Xbox is a better target is 2 fold.
1) Xbox Live tends to have CC details tied to the account making it a far juicier target
2) Xbox360 may not be the largest marketshare but its online gaming (XBOX Live) certainly is the largest online gaming as it is even bigger than Wow.
Actually that phrase says almost nothing and is VERY misleading. Xbox does not have number one market share, But Xbox Live certainly IS the largest online gaming network with more users with CC details than any other network, not even WoW has as many. besides which they are social engineering attacks rather than Xbox Live hacks or console hacks.
seriously do people even bother to check their facts anymore. Hotmal doesn't allow the password 12345 as it doesn't even meet there basic length requirement. Seriously what has happened here is people that realise it is a phishing site are putting in garabage details and the people running the site are too stupid to even bother to clean the garbage out of their data.
Well I am with 2 seperate banks and 3 stock trading organisations and NONE of them would ever get a password reset by email (how do I know? cause I have had to go through the pain of getting them reset as a precaution after I was robbed). They ALL required you to phone them and verify identity before they would send you a letter by snail mail with the details. If you are with a bank that sends out such financially critical information via email I suggest you dump them like the smelly turd they are.
considering hotmail has for a long time provided a simple button called EXPORT, I am betting the Random-User-Guy with contacts in hotmail is going to have a MUCH easier time of it.
The the OP was a little abrupt he is 100% correct. Malware is not stopped by ANY OS.
Last time I checked a user could install whatever they wanted on OSX, Linux and BSD. The user clicking the "yes please install this piece of shit" is how the majority of malware is propogated and NONE of the OS's you pointed out provide any protection for that.
You seem to be confusing malware and virus detection as being in someway linked to bad design or poor code of an OS. It isn't.The biggest security hole in every OS is the moron sitting behind the keyboard (yes that includes OSX and whatever flavour of linux or BSD you happen to chose). There will always be users that simple must download and run that program that promises to show you free nude pictures of movie star X or get free game y, Anti Virus/malware mainly addresses the moron factor on computers where vendors go and find bad things that people are doing on the internet and then build the detection for it.
Virus detection does not cover holes in an OS or hide instability so their motivation would be completely unchanged by this.
I am the sort of person that loves tech, to an excess most people would say. My house is fully wired, I have a patch panel and rack cabinet in the garage. I can stream media to any room in the house and have at least 3 computers running at any one time (not including virtuals). Everything that can be computerised from my air con to the lights has been. However I will take a real book anyday over reading it on a screen or an e-reader device, whether it is a textbook or just a novel, can't explain it completely but it is just a "better" experience to me using a real book.
For the average user it has been just "snuck" onto their PC. The average user knows very little about there machine or the updates, my sister would not have the faintest idea what safari or boujour are or whether she needed to update them, they have learnt over time that the right thing to do is keep your machine UPDATED and the result is that a heap of garbage gets installed as users stick with the default selected options. apple is abusing the trust people play in updates.
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Considering how good MS are at replacing RROD consoles free of charge, I would say you still lose as they won't do it to a modded console.
Agree 100%, this has been done many times over. back in 99/2000 I was contracted to do a technical code review of one such implementation of web annotation by a startup (they went bust after initial release due to lack of interest), but even then when doing research there were multiple other companies trying the same thing and
That is a few measly billion dollars A YEAR. something tells me for such a huge motivator they would most definitely consider moving, especially consideringjust about any other state would probably make a deal with them to get them there that would see even more savings.
It has everything to do with your comment, I completely agree with, but to make it without a fair appraisal of the other side is just as biased as both of those reviews.
And if you google "John Dvorak" you will discover he is a fucking retard that spends most of his time with his head up his arse and then complains about the smell.
Neither author has much credibility, Dvorak probably has significantly less when it comes to IT as he is just a publicity whore with less IT knowledge than the average gerbil. So just another pointless useless slashdot article that is only here because it has a slight negative slant towards MS.
I am no rocket scientist either but even I know in real terms that is a MASSIVE success rate, better than most legitimate spam marketting campaigns.
Any way you look at those numbers the momentum is huge, lop 50% off, hell lop 75% off and it is still a massive number for a portal/collaboration product.
You make a great point about how large the user base for sharepoint is. However, if the numbers are so great, why would they need to inflate them? If the article above is correct, the vendor's sales and marketing experts believe that the sales boon to be had from making the the user base appear larger than it is overrides the embarrassment of making up the figures.
This would contrast with the scenario that you sketch out where sharepoint has really penetrated to such a degree that no lying on momentum is required.
As I also said, I doubt the numbers are a lie. The article is just a pile of crap and only introduces an ounce of honesty towards the end.
"IDC analyst Melissa Webster, who has closely studied SharePoint's sales and user ship figures, said, "I didn't believe them in the beginning either." But after going over the discount allocation issue with Microsoft "using a very fine-tooth comb," Webster said she's convinced Microsoft is not inflating its SharePoint revenue. "As a public company, Microsoft is governed by pretty darn strict laws, that have only gotten stricter," she said. Also, the product groups inside Microsoft are highly competitive fiefdoms that are unlikely to sacrifice their sales to pump up SharePoint, she said. Even if SharePoint's actual use today is overstated, most analysts feel the product's impact on the market isn't."
Your using an out of date version of a massively cut down product. This is the equivalent to comparing notepad and word, both sorta do the same thing but to say you have any knowledge of how word works because you have used notepad would be idiotic, the same with WSS and SharePoint, they are 2 very different products.
This won't do shit to them against the PS3, the 3rd party storage market is hardly huge for the Xbox, I would bet the majority of users don't have one or any interest in getting one, the built in hard drive is sufficient for most users. I am saying that as an Avid gamer with a large 360 library with friends that are the same and NONE of us has 3rd party devices.
Last time I checked foreign students paid many times that of a domestic student. In effect the foreign students subsidise the domestic as without them there would be less places and higher fees for domestic students.
Its not hard at all. DNS poisoning, Man in the middle attacks, not to mention the bots constantly spamming attacks for known vulnerabilities would probably massively increase if this sort of misinformed quasi security practise was adopted
Poison DNS. Requires the name server for your ISP to be misconfigured or unpatched. -AND- MITM a cert that verifies as the bank (using null character hack). Requires a vulnerable browser and a CA that will issue it with a NULL, or some new unseen hack.
Not hard? Each is fairly difficult and you have to do both. That's hard-core.
The other 'vulnerability' you mention is rehacking a linux livecd running with no services and almost certainly behind a firewall or some kind during the time they are doing their banking? Good luck with that. Can you link to even *one* remote hack for the IP stack, that didn't require a service being run?
security through obscurity is NOT enough when you are talking about your financial details, even a patched windows box.....shudder... is BETTER than an unpatched liveCD.
Total BS. It's not security through obscurity, it's security though non-exposure. It doesn't matter that we are all vulnerable to hiv, you aren't going to get it if you don't exchange fluids. Even a ten year old livecd is better than a patched Windows that's been promiscuous.
You are talking about bank details being hacked, the people doing this ARE ORGANISED AND HARD CORE and will and DO spend a great deal of time and money coming up with hacks to get money, give them a nice juicy target like a known bank that distributes liveCD's to customers and I doubt it would last more than a month or 2 before millions started walking out the door. don't like DNS poisoning then how about a brided ISP admin or how about a nice botnet ready to spam packets at a vulnerability when it is found, not hard to write in memory loggers and pretty damn easy to pick a time of day people will use the CD (eg. if doing it where I live I would run it at 6-8pm on a thursday night as I know that is pay day for a large percentage of the town and people logon to there bank here to pay bills)
To me BSG lost any credibility it had with that pathetic ending. Writer 1: shit we need some way to finish this Writer 2 : F@@#$% if I know Writer 3: how about we just throw in religion and steal an ending from some old show no one remembers like the BBC hitchhikers series Writer 1 and 2: whatever we have been paid who gves a shit.
would love to see a link to an article on that too, the quack.exe one was just on optimising for specific apps with application specific instructions in the driver not altering output.
That is more Quasi cheating similar to what Intel are doing, but as I said I was not saying they were innocent, just I could not remember them doing it as until recently I just did not use or care about there products. Nvidia on the other hand were far more blatant with the cheating, going so far as to alter the output or not render some stuff in order to artificially inflate there numbers.
Don't remember AMD cheating, But then I have only more recently become a big ATI fan, However Nvidia has a long history of benchmark cheating in drivers in order to make there stuff look better than it is and many times it was far more blatant than what intel is doing here
These hacks are not installing malware on the xbox either, they are social engineering attacks, neither the Xbox nor Xbox live are being attacked (as usual the article summary is misleading). The reason the Xbox is a better target is 2 fold.
1) Xbox Live tends to have CC details tied to the account making it a far juicier target
2) Xbox360 may not be the largest marketshare but its online gaming (XBOX Live) certainly is the largest online gaming as it is even bigger than Wow.
Actually that phrase says almost nothing and is VERY misleading. Xbox does not have number one market share, But Xbox Live certainly IS the largest online gaming network with more users with CC details than any other network, not even WoW has as many. besides which they are social engineering attacks rather than Xbox Live hacks or console hacks.
seriously do people even bother to check their facts anymore. Hotmal doesn't allow the password 12345 as it doesn't even meet there basic length requirement. Seriously what has happened here is people that realise it is a phishing site are putting in garabage details and the people running the site are too stupid to even bother to clean the garbage out of their data.
Well I am with 2 seperate banks and 3 stock trading organisations and NONE of them would ever get a password reset by email (how do I know? cause I have had to go through the pain of getting them reset as a precaution after I was robbed). They ALL required you to phone them and verify identity before they would send you a letter by snail mail with the details. If you are with a bank that sends out such financially critical information via email I suggest you dump them like the smelly turd they are.
The case against MS was even more tenuous yet it seemed to have no trouble getting through the courts.
considering hotmail has for a long time provided a simple button called EXPORT, I am betting the Random-User-Guy with contacts in hotmail is going to have a MUCH easier time of it.
The the OP was a little abrupt he is 100% correct. Malware is not stopped by ANY OS. Last time I checked a user could install whatever they wanted on OSX, Linux and BSD. The user clicking the "yes please install this piece of shit" is how the majority of malware is propogated and NONE of the OS's you pointed out provide any protection for that.
You seem to be confusing malware and virus detection as being in someway linked to bad design or poor code of an OS. It isn't.The biggest security hole in every OS is the moron sitting behind the keyboard (yes that includes OSX and whatever flavour of linux or BSD you happen to chose). There will always be users that simple must download and run that program that promises to show you free nude pictures of movie star X or get free game y, Anti Virus/malware mainly addresses the moron factor on computers where vendors go and find bad things that people are doing on the internet and then build the detection for it. Virus detection does not cover holes in an OS or hide instability so their motivation would be completely unchanged by this.
I am the sort of person that loves tech, to an excess most people would say. My house is fully wired, I have a patch panel and rack cabinet in the garage. I can stream media to any room in the house and have at least 3 computers running at any one time (not including virtuals). Everything that can be computerised from my air con to the lights has been. However I will take a real book anyday over reading it on a screen or an e-reader device, whether it is a textbook or just a novel, can't explain it completely but it is just a "better" experience to me using a real book.
For the average user it has been just "snuck" onto their PC. The average user knows very little about there machine or the updates, my sister would not have the faintest idea what safari or boujour are or whether she needed to update them, they have learnt over time that the right thing to do is keep your machine UPDATED and the result is that a heap of garbage gets installed as users stick with the default selected options. apple is abusing the trust people play in updates.