So you agree with me that some of the 3rd world did ban DDT. I'll leave you with these questions: How many deaths, by your estimation, have been caused by the ban in those countries? Does that number reach a level that you considered fear-mongering? If not, I recommend you keep those facts to yourself. From recent experience, if you merely state them on slashdot, someone may start calling you names.
Careful, you may find you are more like me than you think.
slashdotConsensusBAD:Pirate profits when people buy pirated games
slashdotConsensusBAD:Software company profits when people buy their stupid game which has stupid DRM that doesn't stop thieves anyway and is not bug free.
slashdotConsensusOK:No one profits when people download pirated games.
So in other words, you think you're right so it's different when you do it. Believe it or not, environmentalists also think they are right.
I can't help you. You obviously are coming from the "it's all relative" point of view. Things like "evidence" are mushy, shifting things. Everyone finds their own truth.
It is a FACT that the media and environmentalists created a tempest in a teapot overstating the cancer risks, etc of DDT and it was banned.
It is a FACT that many third world countries have banned DDT and have seen an undeniable skyrocketing in Malaria deaths. That's why the WHO (an organization who originally supported such a ban) has reversed course.
But if you want to say all conclusions based on this evidence are equal, because, "hey, everyone's got an agenda, man" (mine in this case happens to be truth and human life) then let's do nothing. Millions more may die, but at least we can't be accused of *shock, horror* passing judgment on those who supported the ban.
I'm pointing out facts, in context. That's not fearmongering and not hypocrisy. The environmentalists that got DDT banned, distorted the facts and blew them out of proportion. I would be a hypocrite if I was doing the same thing. If you read on, you'll see that I blew the facts slightly UNDER proportion precisely to avoid being hypocritical.
Other people pointed out that the DDT ban wasn't as you make it out to be
You are probably referring to this:
Furthermore, Wikipedia puts annual deaths due to malaria at between 1 and 3 million per year.
Then someone else did the math and found that this person had just given evidence SUPPORTING my point because there were MORE malaria deaths then my intentionally non-fearmongering, conservative estimate of 30 million:
34 years of DDT ban in the U.S., times 1 to 3 million a year... would actually mean that his estimates probably weren't bad.
Wow, speaking of fear-mongering... The unenvironmentalist fuck-the-planet crowd would never do that, would they?
The "f-the-planet" crowd may fearmonger as well, but:
1) Their fearmongering does not get wall to wall, positive, unchallenged coverage in 99% of the major news outlets.
2) It in no way justifies the fearmongering of environmentalists.
3) Your comment does nothing to further the pursuit of gathering evidence to determine the best course of action. But I bet it felt goood.
Environmentalism HAS given us some good things like much cleaner air and water. But please, look up the facts on DDT and the Alar scare and realize that religious Environmentalism causes a lot of harm.
How many will die (or more likely be impoverished) as an unintended consequences of (manmade) Global Warming regulations to stop an UNPROVEN phenomenon.
The stock market is a mechanism by which monetary inflation is captured and transferred to the wealthy.
Yes definitely mod insightful! I had no idea that the majority of Americans were wealthy! You do know that the majority of Americans own stock either through retirement or pensions plans, right? (thus benefiting from the insidious capture and transference of inflation)
If not, then please mod me insightful for returning the favour of treasured knowledge!
Thank you for so effectively weaving the good reasons for ending illegal immigration with racist bile. Thus giving the open borders, pro-illegal crowd exactly the kind of rant they use to paint all who are for a sane, humane end to illegal immigration as racists like you.
Is there an American equivalent to the Perimeter Institute, in terms of funding and prestige, that doesn't over-emphasize String Hypothesis at the expense of competing ideas?
(Yes, I've read Lee Smolin's: The Trouble With Physics and I recommend it)
Proportionately speaking, the 9th Circuit is about average for the chances of any individual case being overturned.
Incorrect, I smelled poo when you didn't back up your assertion with incontrovertible internet links.;)
From the LA Times:
In other words, although the 9th Circuit decided only one-third more appeals on the merits than the 5th Circuit, it was reversed nearly five times more often.
Too bad the author of this article didn't bother to cite where HIS statistics comes from either, but he's a "journalist" so I guess I'll defer to him.;)
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Thank you for resorting to name calling.
There is no DDT ban in much of the 3rd world.
So you agree with me that some of the 3rd world did ban DDT.
I'll leave you with these questions:
How many deaths, by your estimation, have been caused by the ban in those countries?
Does that number reach a level that you considered fear-mongering?
If not, I recommend you keep those facts to yourself.
From recent experience, if you merely state them on slashdot, someone may start calling you names.
Careful, you may find you are more like me than you think.
slashdotConsensusBAD: Pirate profits when people buy pirated games
slashdotConsensusBAD: Software company profits when people buy their stupid game which has stupid DRM that doesn't stop thieves anyway and is not bug free.
slashdotConsensusOK: No one profits when people download pirated games.
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bORIng are the bORI.
So in other words, you think you're right so it's different when you do it. Believe it or not, environmentalists also think they are right.
I can't help you.
You obviously are coming from the "it's all relative" point of view. Things like "evidence" are mushy, shifting things. Everyone finds their own truth.
It is a FACT that the media and environmentalists created a tempest in a teapot overstating the cancer risks, etc of DDT and it was banned.
It is a FACT that many third world countries have banned DDT and have seen an undeniable skyrocketing in Malaria deaths. That's why the WHO (an organization who originally supported such a ban) has reversed course.
But if you want to say all conclusions based on this evidence are equal, because, "hey, everyone's got an agenda, man" (mine in this case happens to be truth and human life) then let's do nothing.
Millions more may die, but at least we can't be accused of *shock, horror* passing judgment on those who supported the ban.
I'm pointing out facts, in context.
That's not fearmongering and not hypocrisy.
The environmentalists that got DDT banned, distorted the facts and blew them out of proportion. I would be a hypocrite if I was doing the same thing. If you read on, you'll see that I blew the facts slightly UNDER proportion precisely to avoid being hypocritical.
Other people pointed out that the DDT ban wasn't as you make it out to be
You are probably referring to this:
Furthermore, Wikipedia puts annual deaths due to malaria at between 1 and 3 million per year.
Then someone else did the math and found that this person had just given evidence SUPPORTING my point because there were MORE malaria deaths then my intentionally non-fearmongering, conservative estimate of 30 million:
34 years of DDT ban in the U.S., times 1 to 3 million a year... would actually mean that his estimates probably weren't bad.
Wow, speaking of fear-mongering... The unenvironmentalist fuck-the-planet crowd would never do that, would they?
The "f-the-planet" crowd may fearmonger as well, but:
1) Their fearmongering does not get wall to wall, positive, unchallenged coverage in 99% of the major news outlets.
2) It in no way justifies the fearmongering of environmentalists.
3) Your comment does nothing to further the pursuit of gathering evidence to determine the best course of action. But I bet it felt goood.
Environmentalism HAS given us some good things like much cleaner air and water. But please, look up the facts on DDT and the Alar scare and realize that religious Environmentalism causes a lot of harm.
Environmentalism has become a dangerous, fearmongering religion.
The media feeds on fear, which "spreads the faith".
Makes for a nasty feedback loop.
Case and point:
"Environmental scientists" got DDT banned by waaaaaaaay overstating the risks to an all too willing media.
Over 30 million people die of mosquito borne Malaria in poor third world countries.
Whoops!!!!
Now the WHO again backs DDT to stop Malaria.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6083944
How many will die (or more likely be impoverished) as an unintended consequences of (manmade) Global Warming regulations to stop an UNPROVEN phenomenon.
Here comes a raging global warming debate...
According to Gore, "The debate is over". So you are all in violation!!
Did you install Skynet 1.0?
Hey, what's that siren going off for....
I should add that Boston Market is a mechanism by which saturated fat is captured and transferred to the obese.
The stock market is a mechanism by which monetary inflation is captured and transferred to the wealthy.
Yes definitely mod insightful!
I had no idea that the majority of Americans were wealthy!
You do know that the majority of Americans own stock either through retirement or pensions plans, right? (thus benefiting from the insidious capture and transference of inflation)
If not, then please mod me insightful for returning the favour of treasured knowledge!
Someone needs to have their mod points forcefully shoved up their ass
Don't you mean "FORCEfully" shoved up their ass?
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It used to be MyNearlyCompletedNovel.doc,
now it looks kind of like a dragon, wait, no,
now its a UNICORN!"
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Thank you for so effectively weaving the good reasons for ending illegal immigration with racist bile.
Thus giving the open borders, pro-illegal crowd exactly the kind of rant they use to paint all who are for a sane, humane end to illegal immigration as racists like you.
Or perhaps that was your intention.
Last time I let a Wang tell me what to do I became a father.
Not that anyone will be able use your device ... since it will be encased in Carbonite!
mua-hahahahahaaaa!
$26 USD? That's more of a comment on the weakness of the dollar than anything.
Also, it would help if you don't see the movie at the most expensive cinemas (Leicester Sq) in the entire United Kingdom.
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Fruits of the man's labor here (Alice)
http://www.alice.org/
Is there an American equivalent to the Perimeter Institute, in terms of funding and prestige, that doesn't over-emphasize String Hypothesis at the expense of competing ideas?
(Yes, I've read Lee Smolin's: The Trouble With Physics and I recommend it)
Proportionately speaking, the 9th Circuit is about average for the chances of any individual case being overturned.
Incorrect, I smelled poo when you didn't back up your assertion with incontrovertible internet links. ;)
From the LA Times:
In other words, although the 9th Circuit decided only one-third more appeals on the merits than the 5th Circuit, it was reversed nearly five times more often.
http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jul/11/opinion/oe-fitzpatrick11
Too bad the author of this article didn't bother to cite where HIS statistics comes from either, but he's a "journalist" so I guess I'll defer to him. ;)
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From Moronville?
Isn't that just outside of Dumbshitsburg?
A little context might help. This isn't the Inquirer for god's sake.
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