You failed to recognize the fact that the initial invocation of "Article 5" demonstrates that 9/11 constitutes an attack on the US homeland as recognized by a military mutual defense organization. This is counter to the assertion that America has not been attacked since WWII.
I didn't say that. I said that the military has not been used to *defend* America since WW2. Obviously, not having any sort of military at all would be problematic. I'm not saying that. However, the military has not acted to defend us in relation to 9/11 which is one of the major problems with the whole Iraq thing. They have been used to stir up even more trouble, to increase hostility, and to justify even greater government and military expenditures. You can talk all day long about how you know people over there and they're passing out candy bars or whatever stuff they, as genuinely nice individuals, choose to do, but it's completely meaningless to the topic.
The military was used as a tool to create more terrorists in order to use terrorism as an excuse to set up the police state bullshit we're currently enacting. You can debate whether that aspect of the plan was intentional or serendipitous, but it's obviously how it turned out.
Who is Smedley D. Butler? How does the personal perspective of one individual constitute proof? Less the individual be God himself the man only offers one opinion among many. Brother, not you, not Major General Butler, not any one individual gets to pass off lone perspectives as overarching truth. There is no proof. Your opinion is only that.
Opinions, however, are not equally valid. Smedley D. Butler is the most highly decorated American soldier at the time of his death. He was actively involved in many of the sleazy activities out military was tasked with until he got so disgusted by himself and our government that he resigned and dedicated his life to getting the word out to the citizens about what exactly they were paying to have done
"I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents."
Now, while you can call that the perspective of one individual, most of that is simple history.
Take the 1903 fruit thing. That's where the term "Banana Republic" came from. We're so cynical and/or ignorant about our history it's not even funny. That was a long time ago even, and the military was being used as a tool for big business.
During the World Wars, the American people sacrificed a great deal, and some of them got very rich and powerful making weapons. It's one thing to be in the business of making war materials when demand goes through the roof, but it's a completely different thing to be in that market and make up wars to grow your business off of the public tit and the public blood.
A great deal of what we've done militarily since WW2 falls into the second category.
Presumably you disagree with that, or I don't think we have a disagreement at all.
Obviously we have a military, we have companies who supply that military, and astronomical amounts of money involv
Apathy overwhelmed your culture when Ford pardoned Nixon, fear was on 9/11 (that one was obvious).
It really was much further back as some of the other posters have said.
"Ford's Folly" as I like to call it, did cause the death of the idea of Presidential accountability. Just look how bad that's gone since then. Had Nixon been punished no matter how mildly and we'd (not that I'd been born yet...) actually stood up for our right to be citizens and not subjects, do you really think Reagan ( or, well, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush Sr., and assorted other criminals we keep hearing from) would have dared to sell crack to buy weapons for terrorists in direct violation of Congressional orders? Created death squad training camps? Doctored intelligence to make the Soviets look like a much bigger threat than they were to justify massive welfare for government contractors and promote a culture of fear?
Then to pull this whole Iraq scam after getting away with all of that? Not a chance.
So, Nixon needed a slap on the wrist. With what Ford did, he needed to be impeached. As the crimes have gone up the stakes have too, so at this point to regain any possibility of accountability on the part of our government Bush, and most of the members of his administrations need to be tried, convicted, and executed for treason. If we don't, the next group of scumbags will *know* that they can get away with anything just like these scumbags did.
It's much worse than that even. Half the Supreme Court and most of Congress need at least long prison sentences for their complicity and that's never going to happen.
If I ever have an opportunity, I will piss on Ford's grave.
these are the desperate maneuvers of a fading corporate enterprise. not the burgeoning reality of a corporate fascism
No, that the media companies thought it was a good idea shows them to be desperate fading losers.
The fact that they managed to get such insanity passed as law proves absolutely that we are living under "corporate fascism" (funny that since it's redundant. Fascism is corporate rule).
When corporations run your government and get them to pass insane anti-citizen laws for the sole benefit of the corporations who are bribing the legislators that *is* fascism. Death camps and Gestapo aren't part of fascism, merely one implementation of it.
You should really learn what words mean before using them so poorly.
your words on the topic of the implications of this myspace case are very much the definition of fear-based thinking. your thinking is paralyzed and you are in fact hysterical about the implications of the case
No, all that he is doing is showing some basic knowledge and some basic common sense. Taking laws way out of context and misusing them in ways they were (supposedly) never intended to be used happens all the fucking time in the US these days.
By recognizing the potential abuses and pointing them out, the OP wasn't being at all hysterical or anything of the sort. He was being completely rational since that sort of abuse is closer to the rule than to the exception these days.
Your position, that somebody who actually pays attention and is capable of making clear, simple, totally consistent extrapolations from that, myust be hysterical is proof of nothing except for your rather large separation from reality. No offense intended, but your position *is* batshit insane and completely divorced from reality.
the slippery slope doesn't exist. in any argument. on any topic. its propaganda
No, believing in a general idea of a slippery slope that holds true in all situations is a logical fallacy.
Looking at reality, noticing a long, long track record of prosecutors intentionally misusing laws, and then suspecting that given a chance they'll do it again is exactly right. It is not a slippery slope fallacy, it's one specific example of a case where the slope gets slid down damn near every single time.
You should learn what fallacies actually mean, and where and how they apply before going around making yourself look silly accusing other people of things they quite obviously are not doing.
Meh. I'm a conservative which means most liberals identify me as a "republican", but I'm pretty pissed about the way the party is heading.
Heading? Surely you mean where the party has long since gone?
It used to be about doing honorable and decent things, limiting the control and taxation of the government, standing against our enemies, and keeping a great nation going strong.
It's arguable if that's ever what the Republican party was actually about, but it's not at all even arguable that they've stood for anything of the sort in decades.
Seriously, it's been 30 years since the Republican voters completely rejected that philosophy and it's primary promoter at the time, Barry Goldwater, and instead elected the fascist traitor Ronald Reagan. You do know he holds the record for the largest growth of the US government in history, right?
So, if you are only now starting to think that they're heading down the path that they've been racing down for decades, how do you expect any decent person to treat you as anything but an incredibly delusional fool with no grip on reality whatsoever?
You're talking nonsense that would have made sense to say 3 decades ago, but is completely meaningless garbage at this point which demonstrates nothing but your deep ignorance of the simple basic facts of reality which have been true for longer than most of the/. readership have even been alive.
If the party that used to share my views is collapsing, it's kinda hard to throw stones.)
That happened decades ago. Pretending that it's just happening now is bat shit insane, dude. Sorry, but that is a fact. Please wake up and quit pretending ancient history is current events.
Given that the military is used primarily as a weapon of big business
prove it.
Here you go. Proof positive from a far better man and a far better soldier than you could ever hope to be.
NATO disagrees with you. The events of 9/11 lead to invocation of "Article 5" of the NATO charter where all member states come to the mutual DEFENCE of a member state that has suffered an attack.>
In the first place, that would apply to other NATO countries, not the US. In the second place, there was an opportunity to defend the US, but instead Bush chose to go follow their hare brained scheme of invading Iraq.
Are you really too stupid to have noticed that we were never attacked by Iraq? How the hell could we be defending ourselves by blowing the shit out of an uninvolved country? Exactly, not possible, hence it isn't defense.
Go read that book, and it constitutes all the proof you need for all of your idiotic requests for proof of the obvious.
Chances are, you have never been fucked by anyone or anything except the sad result of your own narrow-mindedness. Consequently, you have not had the chance to learn anything about the human spirit. But that is just a guess.
It's not even a guess. It's an idiotic delusional statement based on your complete ignorance of the US military's purpose and the uses to which it is most often put. I have far more respect for the human spirit than some idiot who thinks murdering democratically elected leaders in order to install mass murdering thugs who are friendly to US corporate interests at the expense of their own people is defending America.
Seriously. You have proven yourself to be so stupid as to think that murdering innocents for profit is the action a patriot or even a decent human being would take.
You are dead fucking wrong about that.
Your contempt for humanity is evident since you stated flat out that you consider their lives to have no value unless they're slaving away at gunpoint to save you a nickel.
My point is that if there is a simple thought-exercise in pure logic that will disprove the existence of God -- any God -- then among billions of believers someone would have thought of it before you.
They were burned alive you stupid sick fuck.
Grow up, pull your head out of your ass and notice the fact that for thousands of years people have been pointing out the many huge, blatantly obvious holes in every deity based religion and have been brutally murdered by the sicko whack job thugs who *always* rise to the top of religions.
So, as is quite obvious to anybody who actually knows a damn thing about the topic, plenty of people noticed it before the OP. Due to the delusional nature of religions, brutal torture and murder is the penalty to be meted out to the sane who would dare threaten the power base of the religious leaders.
For your vaunted intelligence and logic, you're not doing very well. Let me explain this in small words, again:
You might want to apologize to the OP now since I just proved you to be dead fucking wrong using basic common sense and common knowledge alone. He was right, and you have been proven a fool.
Now the coyote population is a mess. There are way too many, they're skinny and unhealthy, and they're killing neighborhood pets outside their intended habitat. The deer had natural predators here, the coyotes don't.
Hell, that's got to be the dumbest example of this sort of thing I've heard of. Just look at any US city with a large native Coyote population. San Diego, CA perfect example. Coyotes are skinny, unhealthy and eat neighborhood pets. That's how they roll. At least with some of these other species, the people moving them didn't know what a problem they were going to be.
SEPTEMBER 11 WAS DELIBERATELY CAUSED BY EVIL PEOPLE WHO PLANNED AND EXECUTED AN EVIL PLAN WHICH KILLED INNOCENT PEOPLE, DELIBERATELY.
Ahhh, but did the Chinese do nothing to incite the earthquake? Of course not, so your nonsense comparison is meaningless. If you don't think the US richly *earned* 9/11 then you are a deeply delusional ignorant fool.
Quit throwing around meaningless words like "evil" when you're too dishonest and cowardly to look at your own actions and that of your country. The actions of the US leave people few other options to get some sort of justice since you're too much of a weak willed cowardly piece of shit to hold your own fucking government accountable. That is your job and you're a complete fucking failure at it. So other people have been forced by the torture and murder of their families by the US and their brutal thug buddies to take matters into their own hands.
Quit whining like a little bitch. You had your opportunity to do the right thing and you blew it. You chose not to act like a decent human being and you're getting exactly what you deserve.
Now grow up, quit crying and eat your just deserts, you fucking no personal responsibility taking little pussy.
No. It couldn't possibly be that. Given that the military is used primarily as a weapon of big business and hasn't been used in defense of the US since WW2 at least, patriots wouldn't go near the military. Given that joining up means being used as a weapon against freedom, you're just not going to find any decent patriotic citizens in the service. They've been fucked too many times, and smart people learn.
Sorry... Douchbag is already strongly associated with Liberal and you can't use it on me.
No, you're just demonstrating how perfectly it applies to you with such an asinine statement.
I was not able to make up my mind on the matter and hoped it wouldn't come to war.
Whereas I knew for a fact that it would from the start. That's the difference between a citizen and a subject. If you "couldn't make up your mind" it's 100% due to the fact that you're an ignorant fool. It was an obvious scam from the start. That is perfectly clear, and was at all times. Your failure to recognize that is a massive personal failure of yours. Until and unless you grow up enough to admit that and deal with the consequences, you'll continue to be an ignorant tool and you'll continue to be directly personally responsible for mass murder and mass robbery. You won't, of course, ever be man enough to take any responsibility, but your sort never does.
I am only now for staying in Iraq because it would be reckless and morally wrong to just leave there in a matter of weeks or months and let the country fall apart or be torn into pieces.
"reckless" and "immoral" is why we're there in the first place.
The place will fall apart and be torn to pieces regardless of how much money we piss away there. You're obviously extremely incompetent at basic common sense otherwise we wouldn't have to be having this discussion, but try to actually think like a sane person about this for a second. We destroyed the one thing maintaining control over a "country" that has no national unity. It's a diverse group of people with massive mutual animosity going back a thousand years or so. Now given that we created a power vacuum, something is going to come up and fill it. Our occupation government ain't it. As soon as we pull out it's going to go to hell and get rebuilt in some form. All us hanging out is doing is delaying the inevitable and increasing the hostility.
So making decisions on what to do *now* based on morals or recklessness is just idiotic. We lost that battle from the start. We have no ability to speak of moral issues without being laughed at by any sane people. That's what happens when you piss away your credibility.
But arresting Rev. Wright for 'hating on whitey' BEFORE he kills anyone or incites a riot (as opposed to Rev. Sharpton who does have blood on his hands yet walks free) is just wrong. I think Rev. Wright is an asshat and Obama is a fellow traveller in hatred that disqualifies him from high office.
So the simple fact that what Reverend Wright said was completely accurate and honest and took a great deal of courage and patriotism to say in the current environment has no meaning to you?
You just want to hear nothing but idiotic lies?
Now, realistically, honesty does disqualify one for high office in this country, but why the hell would you pretend that it's a good thing?
Honestly, why do you hate America that much? You don't even have the courage to deal with simple basic obvious facts. That's really scary deluded. Try and get a grip on reality.
Uhm no. We went to Iraq because Saddam was bluffing. We didn't know he was bluffing until after so we had to do the prudent thing and depose him. In retrospect this was a bad move but at the time we couldn't know.
No. That is nothing but the excuse used by the people who were duped by a transparent scam and are too cowardly too actually deal with the consequences of that massive personal failure.
Millions of Americans were shouting that at the time it was going on and all we heard from you and the rest of the fools spouting that crap was how we're traitors for not being as easily fooled as your dumb ass.
Now grow up, start acting like a citizen and learn how too avoid getting fooled *so* easily. We (millions and millions of us) did know. *You* failed to notice. Now you're trying to flat out refuse to learn a damn thing from your idiocy so you can fall for the same thing next time.
You make me sick you cowardly, weak-willed douchebag.
Nothin like a good steak. Nice NY Strip, medium well....
If you use "well" anywhere in the description of how you like a steak cooked, I hope a good one has never been wasted on you. Might as well eat burger king at that point. Ugh.
Even if it were, arguing against the validity of the license in court is several steps removed from telling you that you can't use it
No, it is no steps removed from that. That's exactly what it is.
It's also true that they have no authority to *enforce* their ridiculous demand but that's the entire point of arguing against it in court. So, if you replace what you said with something else you can move it back one single step, but not several steps.
Nice try though, although you shouldn't make yourself look silly by slagging the logical skills of others while in the middle of failing at it yourself.
Tolkein has Faramir boasting that he wouldn't pick up the ring if he saw it lying at the side of the road, but never even put that boast to the test. What, is he better than Gandalf and Isuldur combined?
Gandalf didn't take the ring. Isildur didn't have the historical knowledge of the ring's treachery that both Gandalf and Faramir had, gained through the mistakes that he and his inheritors made.
So while Isildur did ignore good advice, he wasn't as guilty of poor judgment as Faramir would have been, had he taken the ring knowing what he did in the third age.
So, at least he's not saying that he's better than they are.
Mathematical chaos applies to only certain deterministic systems, not real life. There is no evidence that the real world is a simulation or even if it was that it falls into the narrow range of non-linear dynamics problems that exhibit mathematical chaos.
There is no evidence that the earth is a simulation, but there are experiments demonstrating that some aspects of reality do follow the model.
Mitchell Feigenbaum's period doubling cascade into chaos started out as a mathematical curiosity, but Albert Libchaber's experiment on thermal convection in liquid helium demonstrated that that's actually the path nature takes (given the experimental set up and all, obviously) even to the point that the ratio between period doublings is the Feigenbaum number.
Wow. Another cry-baby communist bed-wetter so ANGRY about the ending of the cold war (the US won) and the prosperity of the 80s.
Wow, another AC demonstrating his ignorance and inability to form simple thoughts.
When you speak of the "prosperity" of the 80s, watch "Wall Street" the movie. That's all the prosperity there was,exactly like today. If you're one of the delusional cowardly nutjobs, too scared of thinking to actually assess the damage caused to this nation by the Reagan administration, just look at today. Same people,same policies, same disasterous results. Reagan was a skilled liar (being an actor) but he has nothing else going for him. He sure as shit didn't "end the cold war". Not even close.
Grow up, learn to think, and then actually use that newfound skill,and then we can talk.
Cowardly, delusional cult of Reagan sycophants would have already killed themselves long ago if any integrity were compatible with the philosophy of slavery.
Oh, and the terrorist label is not propaganda. Hamas is a proud terrorist organization. Unless you consider the deliberate and intentional targeting of civilians to be just "freedom fighting".
I suppose it depends on what the "civilians" did to them first. But again, sanity and basic human decency are beyond your comprehension if you're one of the few subhuman monstrosities left who have such contempt for freedom and humanity required to pretend that Reagan was anything but a monster.
I think you have forgotten what that fuck-nut and terrorist sympathizer Carter did to the country with his social progressive experiments (hint hint, double digit inflation and unemployment).
Laughable. Reagan was the one who sold crack to American school children in order to illegaly arm, fund, and train Osama Bin Laden. Sympathy is one thing. Active support for terrorists is treason. A crime, you, Reagan, and every monster who still tries to wave his ragged, scum-soaked flag around, is guilty of. Again, it's all about personal responsibility. A characteristic you, as *all* Republican scum are entirely lacking.
Well, there was one candidate who would have stood up for your rights. A real old school Republican too, which looks more like a Libertarian these messed up days.
The real old school Republicans are primarily the people who founded the Libertarian party when the Republicans turned down this road long long ago.
All the rest of them left the Republican party when that fascist monster Reagan was elected.
Ron Paul is a libertarian and has been for a long time. He's nothing at all like a Republican as clearly demonstrated by the fact that he was never even close to becoming the Republican candidate.
They think the left lane in each direction is a passing lane.
The left lane in each direction *is* the passing lane. A huge chunk of the problems with our roads are the people who can't figure out this simple fact and singlehandedly block the entire road.
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I didn't say that. I said that the military has not been used to *defend* America since WW2. Obviously, not having any sort of military at all would be problematic. I'm not saying that.
However, the military has not acted to defend us in relation to 9/11 which is one of the major problems with the whole Iraq thing. They have been used to stir up even more trouble, to increase hostility, and to justify even greater government and military expenditures.
You can talk all day long about how you know people over there and they're passing out candy bars or whatever stuff they, as genuinely nice individuals, choose to do, but it's completely meaningless to the topic.
The military was used as a tool to create more terrorists in order to use terrorism as an excuse to set up the police state bullshit we're currently enacting. You can debate whether that aspect of the plan was intentional or serendipitous, but it's obviously how it turned out.
Who is Smedley D. Butler? How does the personal perspective of one individual constitute proof? Less the individual be God himself the man only offers one opinion among many. Brother, not you, not Major General Butler, not any one individual gets to pass off lone perspectives as overarching truth. There is no proof. Your opinion is only that.
Opinions, however, are not equally valid. Smedley D. Butler is the most highly decorated American soldier at the time of his death. He was actively involved in many of the sleazy activities out military was tasked with until he got so disgusted by himself and our government that he resigned and dedicated his life to getting the word out to the citizens about what exactly they were paying to have done
"I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents."
Now, while you can call that the perspective of one individual, most of that is simple history.
Take the 1903 fruit thing. That's where the term "Banana Republic" came from.
We're so cynical and/or ignorant about our history it's not even funny.
That was a long time ago even, and the military was being used as a tool for big business.
During the World Wars, the American people sacrificed a great deal, and some of them got very rich and powerful making weapons. It's one thing to be in the business of making war materials when demand goes through the roof, but it's a completely different thing to be in that market and make up wars to grow your business off of the public tit and the public blood.
A great deal of what we've done militarily since WW2 falls into the second category.
Presumably you disagree with that, or I don't think we have a disagreement at all.
Obviously we have a military, we have companies who supply that military, and astronomical amounts of money involv
Apathy overwhelmed your culture when Ford pardoned Nixon, fear was on 9/11 (that one was obvious).
It really was much further back as some of the other posters have said.
"Ford's Folly" as I like to call it, did cause the death of the idea of Presidential accountability. Just look how bad that's gone since then. Had Nixon been punished no matter how mildly and we'd (not that I'd been born yet...) actually stood up for our right to be citizens and not subjects, do you really think Reagan ( or, well, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush Sr., and assorted other criminals we keep hearing from) would have dared to sell crack to buy weapons for terrorists in direct violation of Congressional orders? Created death squad training camps? Doctored intelligence to make the Soviets look like a much bigger threat than they were to justify massive welfare for government contractors and promote a culture of fear?
Then to pull this whole Iraq scam after getting away with all of that?
Not a chance.
So, Nixon needed a slap on the wrist. With what Ford did, he needed to be impeached.
As the crimes have gone up the stakes have too, so at this point to regain any possibility of accountability on the part of our government Bush, and most of the members of his administrations need to be tried, convicted, and executed for treason. If we don't, the next group of scumbags will *know* that they can get away with anything just like these scumbags did.
It's much worse than that even. Half the Supreme Court and most of Congress need at least long prison sentences for their complicity and that's never going to happen.
If I ever have an opportunity, I will piss on Ford's grave.
these are the desperate maneuvers of a fading corporate enterprise. not the burgeoning reality of a corporate fascism
No, that the media companies thought it was a good idea shows them to be desperate fading losers.
The fact that they managed to get such insanity passed as law proves absolutely that we are living under "corporate fascism" (funny that since it's redundant. Fascism is corporate rule).
When corporations run your government and get them to pass insane anti-citizen laws for the sole benefit of the corporations who are bribing the legislators that *is* fascism. Death camps and Gestapo aren't part of fascism, merely one implementation of it.
You should really learn what words mean before using them so poorly.
your words on the topic of the implications of this myspace case are very much the definition of fear-based thinking. your thinking is paralyzed and you are in fact hysterical about the implications of the case
No, all that he is doing is showing some basic knowledge and some basic common sense. Taking laws way out of context and misusing them in ways they were (supposedly) never intended to be used happens all the fucking time in the US these days.
By recognizing the potential abuses and pointing them out, the OP wasn't being at all hysterical or anything of the sort. He was being completely rational since that sort of abuse is closer to the rule than to the exception these days.
Your position, that somebody who actually pays attention and is capable of making clear, simple, totally consistent extrapolations from that, myust be hysterical is proof of nothing except for your rather large separation from reality.
No offense intended, but your position *is* batshit insane and completely divorced from reality.
the slippery slope doesn't exist. in any argument. on any topic. its propaganda
No, believing in a general idea of a slippery slope that holds true in all situations is a logical fallacy.
Looking at reality, noticing a long, long track record of prosecutors intentionally misusing laws, and then suspecting that given a chance they'll do it again is exactly right.
It is not a slippery slope fallacy, it's one specific example of a case where the slope gets slid down damn near every single time.
You should learn what fallacies actually mean, and where and how they apply before going around making yourself look silly accusing other people of things they quite obviously are not doing.
Meh. I'm a conservative which means most liberals identify me as a "republican", but I'm pretty pissed about the way the party is heading.
Heading? Surely you mean where the party has long since gone?
It used to be about doing honorable and decent things, limiting the control and taxation of the government, standing against our enemies, and keeping a great nation going strong.
It's arguable if that's ever what the Republican party was actually about, but it's not at all even arguable that they've stood for anything of the sort in decades.
Seriously, it's been 30 years since the Republican voters completely rejected that philosophy and it's primary promoter at the time, Barry Goldwater, and instead elected the fascist traitor Ronald Reagan.
You do know he holds the record for the largest growth of the US government in history, right?
So, if you are only now starting to think that they're heading down the path that they've been racing down for decades, how do you expect any decent person to treat you as anything but an incredibly delusional fool with no grip on reality whatsoever?
You're talking nonsense that would have made sense to say 3 decades ago, but is completely meaningless garbage at this point which demonstrates nothing but your deep ignorance of the simple basic facts of reality which have been true for longer than most of the
If the party that used to share my views is collapsing, it's kinda hard to throw stones.)
That happened decades ago. Pretending that it's just happening now is bat shit insane, dude.
Sorry, but that is a fact. Please wake up and quit pretending ancient history is current events.
Given that the military is used primarily as a weapon of big business
prove it.
Here you go. Proof positive from a far better man and a far better soldier than you could ever hope to be.
NATO disagrees with you. The events of 9/11 lead to invocation of "Article 5" of the NATO charter where all member states come to the mutual DEFENCE of a member state that has suffered an attack.>
In the first place, that would apply to other NATO countries, not the US.
In the second place, there was an opportunity to defend the US, but instead Bush chose to go follow their hare brained scheme of invading Iraq.
Are you really too stupid to have noticed that we were never attacked by Iraq? How the hell could we be defending ourselves by blowing the shit out of an uninvolved country? Exactly, not possible, hence it isn't defense.
Go read that book, and it constitutes all the proof you need for all of your idiotic requests for proof of the obvious.
Chances are, you have never been fucked by anyone or anything except the sad result of your own narrow-mindedness. Consequently, you have not had the chance to learn anything about the human spirit. But that is just a guess.
It's not even a guess. It's an idiotic delusional statement based on your complete ignorance of the US military's purpose and the uses to which it is most often put.
I have far more respect for the human spirit than some idiot who thinks murdering democratically elected leaders in order to install mass murdering thugs who are friendly to US corporate interests at the expense of their own people is defending America.
Seriously. You have proven yourself to be so stupid as to think that murdering innocents for profit is the action a patriot or even a decent human being would take.
You are dead fucking wrong about that.
Your contempt for humanity is evident since you stated flat out that you consider their lives to have no value unless they're slaving away at gunpoint to save you a nickel.
My point is that if there is a simple thought-exercise in pure logic that will disprove the existence of God -- any God -- then among billions of believers someone would have thought of it before you.
They were burned alive you stupid sick fuck.
Grow up, pull your head out of your ass and notice the fact that for thousands of years people have been pointing out the many huge, blatantly obvious holes in every deity based religion and have been brutally murdered by the sicko whack job thugs who *always* rise to the top of religions.
So, as is quite obvious to anybody who actually knows a damn thing about the topic, plenty of people noticed it before the OP. Due to the delusional nature of religions, brutal torture and murder is the penalty to be meted out to the sane who would dare threaten the power base of the religious leaders.
For your vaunted intelligence and logic, you're not doing very well. Let me explain this in small words, again:
You might want to apologize to the OP now since I just proved you to be dead fucking wrong using basic common sense and common knowledge alone. He was right, and you have been proven a fool.
Cherry-picking values to show what you want to see != "roller coaster decline."
Ahhh, you were thinking of a big rollercoaster at a major amusement park. He was thinking of the little one at his local county fair.
People like you spend allot of time worrying about grammar. I would recomend that your do something better with you're time.
Do you mean that you think that he should a lot his time more efficiently?
Now the coyote population is a mess. There are way too many, they're skinny and unhealthy, and they're killing neighborhood pets outside their intended habitat. The deer had natural predators here, the coyotes don't.
Hell, that's got to be the dumbest example of this sort of thing I've heard of. Just look at any US city with a large native Coyote population. San Diego, CA perfect example. Coyotes are skinny, unhealthy and eat neighborhood pets. That's how they roll. At least with some of these other species, the people moving them didn't know what a problem they were going to be.
SEPTEMBER 11 WAS DELIBERATELY CAUSED BY EVIL PEOPLE WHO PLANNED AND EXECUTED AN EVIL PLAN WHICH KILLED INNOCENT PEOPLE, DELIBERATELY.
Ahhh, but did the Chinese do nothing to incite the earthquake? Of course not, so your nonsense comparison is meaningless. If you don't think the US richly *earned* 9/11 then you are a deeply delusional ignorant fool.
Quit throwing around meaningless words like "evil" when you're too dishonest and cowardly to look at your own actions and that of your country. The actions of the US leave people few other options to get some sort of justice since you're too much of a weak willed cowardly piece of shit to hold your own fucking government accountable. That is your job and you're a complete fucking failure at it. So other people have been forced by the torture and murder of their families by the US and their brutal thug buddies to take matters into their own hands.
Quit whining like a little bitch. You had your opportunity to do the right thing and you blew it. You chose not to act like a decent human being and you're getting exactly what you deserve.
Now grow up, quit crying and eat your just deserts, you fucking no personal responsibility taking little pussy.
I wonder why they join up, then?
Patriotism?
No. It couldn't possibly be that. Given that the military is used primarily as a weapon of big business and hasn't been used in defense of the US since WW2 at least, patriots wouldn't go near the military. Given that joining up means being used as a weapon against freedom, you're just not going to find any decent patriotic citizens in the service. They've been fucked too many times, and smart people learn.
Sorry... Douchbag is already strongly associated with Liberal and you can't use it on me.
No, you're just demonstrating how perfectly it applies to you with such an asinine statement.
I was not able to make up my mind on the matter and hoped it wouldn't come to war.
Whereas I knew for a fact that it would from the start. That's the difference between a citizen and a subject. If you "couldn't make up your mind" it's 100% due to the fact that you're an ignorant fool. It was an obvious scam from the start. That is perfectly clear, and was at all times.
Your failure to recognize that is a massive personal failure of yours. Until and unless you grow up enough to admit that and deal with the consequences, you'll continue to be an ignorant tool and you'll continue to be directly personally responsible for mass murder and mass robbery. You won't, of course, ever be man enough to take any responsibility, but your sort never does.
I am only now for staying in Iraq because it would be reckless and morally wrong to just leave there in a matter of weeks or months and let the country fall apart or be torn into pieces.
"reckless" and "immoral" is why we're there in the first place.
The place will fall apart and be torn to pieces regardless of how much money we piss away there. You're obviously extremely incompetent at basic common sense otherwise we wouldn't have to be having this discussion, but try to actually think like a sane person about this for a second.
We destroyed the one thing maintaining control over a "country" that has no national unity. It's a diverse group of people with massive mutual animosity going back a thousand years or so. Now given that we created a power vacuum, something is going to come up and fill it. Our occupation government ain't it. As soon as we pull out it's going to go to hell and get rebuilt in some form. All us hanging out is doing is delaying the inevitable and increasing the hostility.
So making decisions on what to do *now* based on morals or recklessness is just idiotic. We lost that battle from the start. We have no ability to speak of moral issues without being laughed at by any sane people. That's what happens when you piss away your credibility.
But arresting Rev. Wright for 'hating on whitey' BEFORE he kills anyone or incites a riot (as opposed to Rev. Sharpton who does have blood on his hands yet walks free) is just wrong. I think Rev. Wright is an asshat and Obama is a fellow traveller in hatred that disqualifies him from high office.
So the simple fact that what Reverend Wright said was completely accurate and honest and took a great deal of courage and patriotism to say in the current environment has no meaning to you?
You just want to hear nothing but idiotic lies?
Now, realistically, honesty does disqualify one for high office in this country, but why the hell would you pretend that it's a good thing?
Honestly, why do you hate America that much? You don't even have the courage to deal with simple basic obvious facts. That's really scary deluded. Try and get a grip on reality.
Uhm no. We went to Iraq because Saddam was bluffing. We didn't know he was bluffing until after so we had to do the prudent thing and depose him. In retrospect this was a bad move but at the time we couldn't know.
No. That is nothing but the excuse used by the people who were duped by a transparent scam and are too cowardly too actually deal with the consequences of that massive personal failure.
Millions of Americans were shouting that at the time it was going on and all we heard from you and the rest of the fools spouting that crap was how we're traitors for not being as easily fooled as your dumb ass.
Now grow up, start acting like a citizen and learn how too avoid getting fooled *so* easily.
We (millions and millions of us) did know. *You* failed to notice. Now you're trying to flat out refuse to learn a damn thing from your idiocy so you can fall for the same thing next time.
You make me sick you cowardly, weak-willed douchebag.
In fact, I would put it almost as far out in left field as a CNN or MSNBC rant...
So you're saying it's a moderate right wing view rather than an extremist one. Not much difference.
Nothin like a good steak. Nice NY Strip, medium well....
If you use "well" anywhere in the description of how you like a steak cooked, I hope a good one has never been wasted on you. Might as well eat burger king at that point. Ugh.
"I've just been raped, but by whom?" thought when they see their server logs.
And then they analyze them and find out who whom is and scream NEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRDDDDDDDDDDSSSS!!!!!!!!
No, it didn't. It did the leap just fine, and the shark did not touch it.
Even the shark knows enough to wait for the dupe.
She's like Questiongirl, with the superpower to ask more questions than anyone else in the world and all in one minute, I swear.
Why?
Even if it were, arguing against the validity of the license in court is several steps removed from telling you that you can't use it
No, it is no steps removed from that. That's exactly what it is.
It's also true that they have no authority to *enforce* their ridiculous demand but that's the entire point of arguing against it in court. So, if you replace what you said with something else you can move it back one single step, but not several steps.
Nice try though, although you shouldn't make yourself look silly by slagging the logical skills of others while in the middle of failing at it yourself.
Tolkein has Faramir boasting that he wouldn't pick up the ring if he saw it lying at the side of the road, but never even put that boast to the test. What, is he better than Gandalf and Isuldur combined?
Gandalf didn't take the ring. Isildur didn't have the historical knowledge of the ring's treachery that both Gandalf and Faramir had, gained through the mistakes that he and his inheritors made.
So while Isildur did ignore good advice, he wasn't as guilty of poor judgment as Faramir would have been, had he taken the ring knowing what he did in the third age.
So, at least he's not saying that he's better than they are.
Mathematical chaos applies to only certain deterministic systems, not real life. There is no evidence that the real world is a simulation or even if it was that it falls into the narrow range of non-linear dynamics problems that exhibit mathematical chaos.
There is no evidence that the earth is a simulation, but there are experiments demonstrating that some aspects of reality do follow the model.
Mitchell Feigenbaum's period doubling cascade into chaos started out as a mathematical curiosity, but Albert Libchaber's experiment on thermal convection in liquid helium demonstrated that that's actually the path nature takes (given the experimental set up and all, obviously) even to the point that the ratio between period doublings is the Feigenbaum number.
Wow. Another cry-baby communist bed-wetter so ANGRY about the ending of the cold war (the US won) and the prosperity of the 80s.
Wow, another AC demonstrating his ignorance and inability to form simple thoughts.
When you speak of the "prosperity" of the 80s, watch "Wall Street" the movie. That's all the prosperity there was,exactly like today.
If you're one of the delusional cowardly nutjobs, too scared of thinking to actually assess the damage caused to this nation by the Reagan administration, just look at today. Same people,same policies, same disasterous results. Reagan was a skilled liar (being an actor) but he has nothing else going for him. He sure as shit didn't "end the cold war". Not even close.
Grow up, learn to think, and then actually use that newfound skill,and then we can talk.
Cowardly, delusional cult of Reagan sycophants would have already killed themselves long ago if any integrity were compatible with the philosophy of slavery.
Oh, and the terrorist label is not propaganda. Hamas is a proud terrorist organization. Unless you consider the deliberate and intentional targeting of civilians to be just "freedom fighting".
I suppose it depends on what the "civilians" did to them first. But again, sanity and basic human decency are beyond your comprehension if you're one of the few subhuman monstrosities left who have such contempt for freedom and humanity required to pretend that Reagan was anything but a monster.
I think you have forgotten what that fuck-nut and terrorist sympathizer Carter did to the country with his social progressive experiments (hint hint, double digit inflation and unemployment).
Laughable. Reagan was the one who sold crack to American school children in order to illegaly arm, fund, and train Osama Bin Laden.
Sympathy is one thing. Active support for terrorists is treason. A crime, you, Reagan, and every monster who still tries to wave his ragged, scum-soaked flag around, is guilty of. Again, it's all about personal responsibility. A characteristic you, as *all* Republican scum are entirely lacking.
Well, there was one candidate who would have stood up for your rights. A real old school Republican too, which looks more like a Libertarian these messed up days.
The real old school Republicans are primarily the people who founded the Libertarian party when the Republicans turned down this road long long ago.
All the rest of them left the Republican party when that fascist monster Reagan was elected.
Ron Paul is a libertarian and has been for a long time.
He's nothing at all like a Republican as clearly demonstrated by the fact that he was never even close to becoming the Republican candidate.
They think the left lane in each direction is a passing lane.
The left lane in each direction *is* the passing lane. A huge chunk of the problems with our roads are the people who can't figure out this simple fact and singlehandedly block the entire road.