even on paper, the 360 specs are equal or greater than the ps3's.
anyone with a decent understanding of the technology involved can see that.
simply having a faster cpu, as in the case of the "6.4GIGAfLops Emotion Engine" that was in the ps2... doesn't make it remotely more powerful if the competing solution has a much better graphics subsystem as was the case with the xbox.
the new cell boasts "2 trillion FLOPS...etc)... let's see what the real world performance is like... if anyone has a copy of the xbox launch video... bill says the xbox does "1 trillion flops"... seems like a few months ago he said the 360 does "1 trillion flops" also.
more likely than not, they're all lying through their teeth.
the cpu in a console is the least important part. look at every single console from the past... the ones with great graphics processors held their own or surpassed the ones with a greater cpu.
and the graphics processing subsystem of the 360 is indeed next generation, as opposed to the rsx of the ps3 which is a 90nm geforce 7800. the next ati card that will have similar capabilities to the 360's gfx processor will come out in late 2006. unified shaders is the future, hell even nvidia has basically said they are transitioning to it when reluctant to do so earlier. the massive amount of bandwidth being used for the framebuffer also means that essentially, 4x antialiasing can be done without further penalty.
but if you look at both systems as a whole, they both have their strengths and weaknesses. basically you can say they're approximately equal.
and really, that's what consoles are about... to people who say "it's about the games"... if it's about the games then why bring out new generations of consoles? keep making games for the previous ones.
clearly graphics and sound etc are damn important. at least 50% of the equation.
i wonder what final fantasy and grand theft auto would look like on atari 2600 hardware.
i mean after all, when you buy a console, sony/ms/nintendo are still the owners, it's THEIR machine. you have to pay them for the privilege of making addons for it or for executing any code on the processors.
remember kids, property rights are for hippies and pinko commies and "terrists".
Intel sucks, their products suck and their business behavior sucks even more than the previous put together.
the only reason to buy AMD is simply because they are the only other game in town in terms of x86 processors. VIA has abysmal offerings in the cpu sector; nothing worthy of competing in performance.
and i don't know what i'm going to do in 2006.
powerpc is going to have drm, x86 is going to have drm, consoles are born from day 1 with drm. basically any digital processor will have drm.
giving up computing may due to DRM may be a good goal but it's just not feasible for most of society.
the only reason not to buy DRM is at least to make it financially a disaster for companies like intel and ms who 're leading the industries.
at some point you stop being defensive about your rights, and become offensive and proactive.
the fight against DRM has up till 2005 been largely defensive.
wake up the public and chuck the whole "intellectual property" garbage out of the window.
it's crap like this that may finally make people realize just what the hell all this patent/copyright/trademark nonsense is really about.
people don't "understand" digital rights. but they sure as hell know their body and its blueprints belong to no one, especially not some soul sucking corporation.
even if AMD cpus were 50 times slower and more expensive and warmed all the houses in my neighborhood, i would still choose AMD cpus. for the mere fact that they aren't intel products. i boycott intel because i don't support them, intellectually or financially. i have my own reasons .
intel = no, not now, not ever.
intel chipsets and cpus support more than one form of DRM. there's that network sharing DRM for streaming movies/music in your home LAN and then there's Insidious Computing aka (unTrusted Computing). i don't recall the exact acronym of week from the DRM cartels but i've read on several web sites about how intel is spearheading the DRM adoption in the computer world.
not that AMD is not going to be forced to support DRM and Insidious Computing also but it'll be next year by the time their products have that infernal technology. if AMD doesn't support it, they cannot put the "designed for windows vista" sticker on their cpus/products. certainly, if there were any choice in the matter (like there would be a free market) AMD and other hardware vendors around the world would never even remotely consider adding that garbage into their products as frankly, it doesn't do anything for the customer. it only subtracts from the feature set not add to it.
if you want to ridicule all "web sites" as being fake and not telling the truth be my guest. i read it at anandtech.com, toms hardware and a few other sites. http://www.google.com/search?q=intel+955+drm
honestly, i don't know why you're getting so hotheaded. you can buy anything you damn well please i was just saying that i feel it's best not to do business with intel if one has a choice in the matter. and no i am not loyal to any brand but i don't financially support companies which i think are behaving like dicks. it's called ethics.
because you are far more observant than the average shil--err slashdotter.
you and i notice things like this but try getting anyone with less than 2 brain cells to notice or even acknowledge.
same thing happened with the intel anti-trust suit. following the announcement, i saw far more AMD machines being advertised in my local sunday newspaper than ever before. before there are 2-3 AMD machines... after the suit, i saw 8-9 AMD computers per ad.
intel is even more guilty than MS yet i see only a small handful of slashdotters even remotely aware of what they're up to and the rest try to "spin" it as "business as usual".
i've lost a lot of respect for/.... i remember years ago there were far fewer "industry insiders" than there are now. it's just the price of fame i suppose. given that there are so many slashvertisments now...
because with tivo, the company controls what you can record and how long you can keep it.
self-built solutions are under the complete control of its owner.
digital control is the freedom cry for the 21st century.
get used to it, you'll be facing this and many other issues in the future. it certainly won't get better any time soon. it'll be a long and very dirty fight.
except soundstorm has/had crappy eax capabilities (only goes up to eax2... eax5 is the current ver in use). its performance wasn't up to the then creative cards.
people also used to complain about many issues with it, including hissing, crackling and popping (no not those 3).
what we need is for nvidia or someone else to invest in a high end gaming sound card to compete with the x-fi.... i just don't see that happening. all we have now are semi-pro music cards with eax1/2 (if even that) and relatively bad performance in games.
creative owns way too many patents though... maybe that's why there aren't any competitors. they even owned a patent related to shadows in games (doom3 debacle)... now that's just ridiculous.
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even on paper, the 360 specs are equal or greater than the ps3's.
anyone with a decent understanding of the technology involved can see that.
simply having a faster cpu, as in the case of the "6.4GIGAfLops Emotion Engine" that was in the ps2... doesn't make it remotely more powerful if the competing solution has a much better graphics subsystem as was the case with the xbox.
the new cell boasts "2 trillion FLOPS...etc)... let's see what the real world performance is like... if anyone has a copy of the xbox launch video... bill says the xbox does "1 trillion flops"... seems like a few months ago he said the 360 does "1 trillion flops" also.
more likely than not, they're all lying through their teeth.
the cpu in a console is the least important part. look at every single console from the past... the ones with great graphics processors held their own or surpassed the ones with a greater cpu.
and the graphics processing subsystem of the 360 is indeed next generation, as opposed to the rsx of the ps3 which is a 90nm geforce 7800. the next ati card that will have similar capabilities to the 360's gfx processor will come out in late 2006. unified shaders is the future, hell even nvidia has basically said they are transitioning to it when reluctant to do so earlier. the massive amount of bandwidth being used for the framebuffer also means that essentially, 4x antialiasing can be done without further penalty.
but if you look at both systems as a whole, they both have their strengths and weaknesses. basically you can say they're approximately equal.
and really, that's what consoles are about... to people who say "it's about the games"... if it's about the games then why bring out new generations of consoles? keep making games for the previous ones.
clearly graphics and sound etc are damn important. at least 50% of the equation.
i wonder what final fantasy and grand theft auto would look like on atari 2600 hardware.
because "appliances" like macs can boot up a lot faster due to limited hardware support and stricter guidelines.
when it supports any arbitrary and millions of pieces of hardware like the x86 world, that would be something.
it's not a general purpose os, it is written specifically for mac hardware, down to the motherboard and auxiliary chips.
it cannot be done nearly as easily or well on the "pc" world.
trying to prevent "silly laws" being written is MORE than a full time job.
you'd have to have an army of shills and lobbyists just to break even.
it's worth noting that laws that aren't in the best interest of the public are unjust and unjust laws require no obedience.
as in something that no one wants to get too near to?
i'll buy that.
and since when has this anything to do with sony?
this is a product for end users.
sony has no say... in a free market. oh wait...
still call it illegal and theft.
i mean after all, when you buy a console, sony/ms/nintendo are still the owners, it's THEIR machine. you have to pay them for the privilege of making addons for it or for executing any code on the processors.
remember kids, property rights are for hippies and pinko commies and "terrists".
the only problem being that RiscOS doesn't run on modern co mputers.
so it's not the useful...
and how does one own knowledge and information, moreso when it is public knowledge?
the owner in this case, clearly isn't who you think it is.
i think the poster meant a computer dvd recorder.
people nowadays connect their computers to their "home theater".
so yeah, it is a form of a dvd recorder but not that ones you're thinking of.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fan boy
read definition number 2.
Intel sucks, their products suck and their business behavior sucks even more than the previous put together.
the only reason to buy AMD is simply because they are the only other game in town in terms of x86 processors. VIA has abysmal offerings in the cpu sector; nothing worthy of competing in performance.
and i don't know what i'm going to do in 2006.
powerpc is going to have drm, x86 is going to have drm, consoles are born from day 1 with drm. basically any digital processor will have drm.
giving up computing may due to DRM may be a good goal but it's just not feasible for most of society.
the only reason not to buy DRM is at least to make it financially a disaster for companies like intel and ms who 're leading the industries.
at some point you stop being defensive about your rights, and become offensive and proactive.
the fight against DRM has up till 2005 been largely defensive.
we will see where it goes from here.
yeah, it's idiotic stuff that's patented, not the absurd things.
big improvement.
wake up the public and chuck the whole "intellectual property" garbage out of the window.
it's crap like this that may finally make people realize just what the hell all this patent/copyright/trademark nonsense is really about.
people don't "understand" digital rights. but they sure as hell know their body and its blueprints belong to no one, especially not some soul sucking corporation.
hallelujah, we're well on our way now.
it has nothing to do with "fanboi" ism
i simply do not buy intel products, period.
even if AMD cpus were 50 times slower and more expensive and warmed all the houses in my neighborhood, i would still choose AMD cpus. for the mere fact that they aren't intel products. i boycott intel because i don't support them, intellectually or financially. i have my own reasons .
intel = no, not now, not ever.
intel chipsets and cpus support more than one form of DRM. there's that network sharing DRM for streaming movies/music in your home LAN and then there's Insidious Computing aka (unTrusted Computing). i don't recall the exact acronym of week from the DRM cartels but i've read on several web sites about how intel is spearheading the DRM adoption in the computer world.
not that AMD is not going to be forced to support DRM and Insidious Computing also but it'll be next year by the time their products have that infernal technology. if AMD doesn't support it, they cannot put the "designed for windows vista" sticker on their cpus/products. certainly, if there were any choice in the matter (like there would be a free market) AMD and other hardware vendors around the world would never even remotely consider adding that garbage into their products as frankly, it doesn't do anything for the customer. it only subtracts from the feature set not add to it.
if you want to ridicule all "web sites" as being fake and not telling the truth be my guest. i read it at anandtech.com, toms hardware and a few other sites.
http://www.google.com/search?q=intel+955+drm
honestly, i don't know why you're getting so hotheaded. you can buy anything you damn well please i was just saying that i feel it's best not to do business with intel if one has a choice in the matter. and no i am not loyal to any brand but i don't financially support companies which i think are behaving like dicks. it's called ethics.
hand out Knoppix cds to friends and family members and tell them to pop it in and reboot whenever they want to engage in secure banking.
not that most of them will listen or bother to go through the "laborious boot process"... but those that do, will have a much more secure experience.
unless they use a proprietary dial up application, knoppix or another custom designed distribution could handle the network aspect nicely.
the DRM is in the cpu and the chipset.
;-)
and why buy intel if you can help it?
they are the MS of the cpu world.
but whatever, "pragmatic" just means you don't care about morals.
no.
they are very big "donors" to the GOP (and the DEMs when they're in "power").
that's how they survived so long... they learned that to be above the law, you have to "buy lots of charity ball tickets".
because you are far more observant than the average shil--err slashdotter.
/.... i remember years ago there were far fewer "industry insiders" than there are now. it's just the price of fame i suppose. given that there are so many slashvertisments now...
you and i notice things like this but try getting anyone with less than 2 brain cells to notice or even acknowledge.
same thing happened with the intel anti-trust suit. following the announcement, i saw far more AMD machines being advertised in my local sunday newspaper than ever before. before there are 2-3 AMD machines... after the suit, i saw 8-9 AMD computers per ad.
intel is even more guilty than MS yet i see only a small handful of slashdotters even remotely aware of what they're up to and the rest try to "spin" it as "business as usual".
i've lost a lot of respect for
it punishes the "capitalist" corporations monetarily, the only kind of punishment they can understand.
maybe next time, they'll learn to better hide their illegal ventures or not try it at all (nah!).
music files were "easy to circumvent" the DRM by burning them to cd...
can you do the same with these video files?
because with tivo, the company controls what you can record and how long you can keep it.
self-built solutions are under the complete control of its owner.
digital control is the freedom cry for the 21st century.
get used to it, you'll be facing this and many other issues in the future. it certainly won't get better any time soon. it'll be a long and very dirty fight.
which is why i never use brand names whenever possible.
:).
i say tissue instead of kleenex. i say photocopy instead of xerox. etc etc
branding is the wet dream of marteking a**holes and i'll have no part of it.
i'll say carbonated beverage rather than use coke, pepsi, soda or pop.
why yes, i'm also fun at parties
is that the same DirecTV that sued anyone caught buying/owning a card reader/writer?
honestly, why continue to do business with the likes of companies like these?
DirecTV was behaving even worse than the RIAA... anyone even owning the device were sued... regardless if they infringed or not.
a shiny turd is still better looking than a crusty, dingy and dull turd.
maybe that wasn't the best example to use.
1.5 is greater than 1 but not by a lot in most people's estimation.
true but 3d audio at the time consumed 30-50% of the cpu time... you either had a reasonably performing game or you had a slow game and good audio.
except soundstorm has/had crappy eax capabilities (only goes up to eax2... eax5 is the current ver in use). its performance wasn't up to the then creative cards.
... now that's just ridiculous.
people also used to complain about many issues with it, including hissing, crackling and popping (no not those 3).
what we need is for nvidia or someone else to invest in a high end gaming sound card to compete with the x-fi.... i just don't see that happening. all we have now are semi-pro music cards with eax1/2 (if even that) and relatively bad performance in games.
creative owns way too many patents though... maybe that's why there aren't any competitors. they even owned a patent related to shadows in games (doom3 debacle)