That is no troll, it's the ISO specified standard correct response to moronic comments calling for Linux devs to break long running traditions in expected usability and behaviour.
I have come to expect Linux software to work in certain ways. Why should dipshits like this get to change the tradition of FOSS development by the developers for the developers?
This is the way of Linux, the way it's always been. I say devs have more responsibility to the majority of happy existing users than to clueless new ones.
In fact, it's faster to use thanks to its extensive use of AJAX.
These are not the droids you're looking for! I know who you are. You're on my Official List of Slashdotters Who Promote Digg. I've seen your posts before. You can expect your personal assassin to arrive shortly.
It's obvious that you just have a fast connection, because anyone with a slow or latent connection will tell you that Digg is slow to load. If you took the time to download all those Javascript files as well as Digg's html page, you'd even see for yourself that Digg is a bigger download than Slashdot.
I often see Digg stories about "We're better than Slashdot" (a stupid preoccupation of seemingly all Digg users), and I want to go in and do a little trolling, but I can't, because the amount of Javascript required for AJAX to function at all is more than the entire content of a new page load on Slashdot. Most of the time, I give up after two minutes of waiting for a Digg comment page to load.
By the way, I'm impressed that you straddle the Slashdot and Digg demographics, but could you stop taking every contrived opportunity to talk about how great Digg is? Notice that this is a reasoned and properly worded response, rather than just a click on a red thumbs-down icon! Moderation for all? Humbug!
I was actually referring to the article itself, not the issue. I then stupidly went and elaborated as if this was not the case, hence the confusion. Sorry about that.
If anything, it's even worse that they focused the article on the blind and visually impaired, who actually have a few software choices, yet there are people like you with no options who were completely ignored.
Here's the way we see it from here in "the crowd": nobody has an innate right to make money off whatever they happen to decide to try at a whim. If the downside to computers is that music production becomes unprofitable, I see this as at worst a 50-50 situation - a tradeoff (actually it has real benefits - the music industry is an abomination that needs to be killed, but that's another debate).
So you say your way of making money is suddenly obselete? What do you want to happen? Do you want the entire rest of the world to limit what their computers can do, to keep people like you in business? Would you have wanted horse traders to have been able to impose arbitrary limits on the Model T because it threatened their livelihood?
Out come all the sarcastically impaired failed linux users! Look at them all, it's actually kinda beautiful if you think about it, this lovely display they put on for us all!
hahahahaha etc.:)
2 people both completely and utterly 0wnifi3d by slashdots shitty i-bend-the-threads-out-of-shape-based-on-rating-an d-threshold shitness!
for our viewers at home: this is why people usually quote part of their parent post in italics!
Anonymous Coward is on a text based browser right now, so I have to log in to reply. Anyway, here's the philosopher's song: mp3 file. You crappy mods should listen to it. Maybe it'll help your sense of humour!
er... am I the only one who thinks this post might be a rewording of the Doom 3 Is Hard To Install in Linux copy-paste troll?
Benefit-of-the-doubt time:
- Yeah, you're right. I used wine for the first time earlier today. I nearly pissed myself laughing when the windows installer completed flawlessly. (Then I nearly cried when after an hour of trying nothing I installed would actually run)
- Most linux users do know the difference between i386 and x86-64. Most people don't, but remember that linux is for the most part made by and for linux users, not by a company for a customer, so this doesn't matter.
- You know perfectly well that they can't put commercial products in a free-access repo
- Package management is now at a stage where you can easily install a program, if it is in your distro's repo, and you know its name. Search technology in general is still fairly crappy, but give it time. I believe that this is something that the Mandriva/SuSe-type distros will be fixing soon.
NOT A FLAME. I'm honestly just addressing some of your points - your post made me think (about package management), oh and reminding you of the nature of linux.
Anyway, you shouldn't become disheartened with all of this. There are some pretty good open source 3d engines being worked on right now. Pretty soon we're all going to be able to get rid of that windows partition. The only thing that will be left soon is that old chestnut: devices. I've never seen a digital camera or camcorder connect properly to linux. My graphical artist brother can't use his tablet in linux, my little sister can't use her microphone or webcam on MSN to talk to her "m8s" from "skul".
Anyone here have both a hotmail account and a gmail account? Any of those who said yes also a user of ebay or amazon?
Then you'll have noticed that hotmail never marks a single amazon or ebay message as spam, whereas gmail does.
So, if amazon wants to put a program on my computer "to better undertand our demographic subspace variant molecularity", how am I to trust Microsoft?
the link in your sig should contain some sort of tracker so as you can differentiate between clicks on the link in your name and clicks on the link in your sig. then you can submit the data to slashdot, along with some insightful conclusions. inquiring minds want to know!
Like many slashdotters, I can easily spend several hours retreading the religion argument. A lot of us spend a lot of our time thinking about fundamental stuff like this, it appears. Lately, I've tried to speed this up by thinking not directly about the subject, but rather about discussions about it. I've noticed that the real insightful ones tend to come at some point to The Big Bang (tm) and then things break down. The only thing this leaves me with is a renewed interest in the progress of quantum physics, since I'm now counting on it to push this debate a bit further within my lifetime (read: stick it to the religious guys, though I have nothing against them).
While we're on the subject, what qualifications do you need to get a decent job in the expat industry in Germany? I've been living abroad for a few years now, but with the growing number of dual nationality people living there, with their insanely unfair advantage, is it even worth trying?
You're going to get chargrilled for that comment, but I have something more or less constructive to say in response to it anyway.
I've tried the BSDs as well as a huge amount of Linux distros. Linux distros have better hardware support than BSDs. I can't even get BSD to boot (some don't even install) on any of my computers. Linux on the other hand (slackware) boots fine, requires a minimum of driver installation - alsaconf and ndiswrapper - and I'm productive. For my purposes, Linux is the right choice for the job.
However, I'm sure you know perfectly well that sweeping statements arent meant to be 100%:D
Anyway, is this saying well known in the BSD community? I'm curious. It's like you guys have your own little sub-sub-culture. I think I can see where the idea comes from. BSD licensing allows anyone to use the code, meaning the focus is just on getting good code out there, whereas the GPL is actively anti closed source, which explains why from the BSD viewpoint it looks like we "hate windows".
Having said all this, I'm not particularly supportive of any particular licence. If I were to release software ever - I guess it's not inconceivable - I would probably write a short licence saying that you can do whatever you want with this code as long as you don't try to stop me using, developing, or distributing it... come to think of it... is that BSD?
That is the most Sun-like headline I've ever seen on slashdot. For those of you who aren't in the know about crappy British tabloids, The Sun* is like the most popular paper in the country, and I think owned by Darth Murdoch himself. They quite helpfully have pictures on their main page of recent headlines (flash), hence the link.
*Health warning: please shield your eyes whilst loading the site. The sudden visual impact of the Sun's website can cause severe disorientation, epileptic fits, vomiting, and in some cases death. Not recommended for pregnant women or people with heart conditions
As a wise man once said: Here comes the clue train, last stop is you!
Here we go - America did not build the internet. America provided a good foundation. The rest of the world is as much a part of the creation of the internet as the US, since without the rest of the world, the internet is just a good way for American's to communicate (think Minitel, France). Countries have vast, complex economies relying heavily on the internet. They have, at least in the case of Europe, lots of infrastructure dedicated to the internet, which THEY paid for. They have a right to some influence over that which they paid for and built, just as the US has a right to control its own section.
A lot of you don't like the idea of China getting to cut off its citizens. Is keeping the internet in US control the solution? NO. To act in this way is to sink to the level of the Chinesec government. We don't want you doing this and that's that. What right does America have to tell the Chinese government how to use the infrastructure of its country anyway? NONE. A democratic system of government doesn't give you the right to control other non-democratic countries.
Also, the UN bashing rings kinda hollow in the wake of your government's Katrina reaction, dontcha think? Seriously - some rational thought instead of primitive, instinct based reactions would be nice to see instead of the trash that's +5 insightful in this story.
These are the reasons given:
they found my behaviour suspicious from direct observation and then from watching me on the CCTV system;
I went into the station without looking at the police officers at the entrance or by the gates;
two other men entered the station at about the same time as me;
I am wearing a jacket "too warm for the season";
I am carrying a bulky rucksack, and kept my rucksack with me at all times;
I looked at people coming on the platform;
I played with my phone and then took a paper from inside my jacket.
Long story short, another "shifty foreigner" falls victim to dubious police work.
that was the longest thinkgeek advertisement ever.
In my country, when we advertise things, we say good things about them. Perhaps it's possible that this is just an honest review?
You can check my crappy, embarrassing post history, and probably find that I have not hesitated to criticise what I consider to be overly commercial content, but in this case, my Official Judgement is in favour of the editor, and thus balance is restored to the topic.
Well, it depends heavily on their distro. It could be anything from apt-get remove mysql, or fink remove mysql, to pacman -R mysql. I suppose only time will really tell.
Shark Boy and Lavagirl! I mean, come on - 3D! IT'S A 3D MOVIE FOR GOD'S SAKE! That means you get special glasses which YOU GET TO KEEP!! How can you complain about the price when you are getting special glasses FOR FREE?! Check her out: LAVA GIRL
Allow me to recap:
- 3 dimensions (4 if you count the time it takes to watch the movie, upwards of 10 if you factor in certain physics theories)
- SPECIAL GLASSES
- Hot lava girl
Slashdot Mirror
I have come to expect Linux software to work in certain ways. Why should dipshits like this get to change the tradition of FOSS development by the developers for the developers?
This is the way of Linux, the way it's always been. I say devs have more responsibility to the majority of happy existing users than to clueless new ones.
Holy Shit! English is object oriented! Not like that fucking n00b language Japanese!
These are not the droids you're looking for! I know who you are. You're on my Official List of Slashdotters Who Promote Digg. I've seen your posts before. You can expect your personal assassin to arrive shortly.
It's obvious that you just have a fast connection, because anyone with a slow or latent connection will tell you that Digg is slow to load. If you took the time to download all those Javascript files as well as Digg's html page, you'd even see for yourself that Digg is a bigger download than Slashdot.
I often see Digg stories about "We're better than Slashdot" (a stupid preoccupation of seemingly all Digg users), and I want to go in and do a little trolling, but I can't, because the amount of Javascript required for AJAX to function at all is more than the entire content of a new page load on Slashdot. Most of the time, I give up after two minutes of waiting for a Digg comment page to load.
By the way, I'm impressed that you straddle the Slashdot and Digg demographics, but could you stop taking every contrived opportunity to talk about how great Digg is? Notice that this is a reasoned and properly worded response, rather than just a click on a red thumbs-down icon! Moderation for all? Humbug!
If anything, it's even worse that they focused the article on the blind and visually impaired, who actually have a few software choices, yet there are people like you with no options who were completely ignored.
Here's the way we see it from here in "the crowd": nobody has an innate right to make money off whatever they happen to decide to try at a whim. If the downside to computers is that music production becomes unprofitable, I see this as at worst a 50-50 situation - a tradeoff (actually it has real benefits - the music industry is an abomination that needs to be killed, but that's another debate).
So you say your way of making money is suddenly obselete? What do you want to happen? Do you want the entire rest of the world to limit what their computers can do, to keep people like you in business? Would you have wanted horse traders to have been able to impose arbitrary limits on the Model T because it threatened their livelihood?
Oh. My. God.
Out come all the sarcastically impaired failed linux users! Look at them all, it's actually kinda beautiful if you think about it, this lovely display they put on for us all!
hahahahaha etc. :)
2 people both completely and utterly 0wnifi3d by slashdots shitty i-bend-the-threads-out-of-shape-based-on-rating-an d-threshold shitness!
for our viewers at home: this is why people usually quote part of their parent post in italics!
Anonymous Coward is on a text based browser right now, so I have to log in to reply. Anyway, here's the philosopher's song: mp3 file.
You crappy mods should listen to it. Maybe it'll help your sense of humour!
er... am I the only one who thinks this post might be a rewording of the Doom 3 Is Hard To Install in Linux copy-paste troll?
Benefit-of-the-doubt time:
- Yeah, you're right. I used wine for the first time earlier today. I nearly pissed myself laughing when the windows installer completed flawlessly. (Then I nearly cried when after an hour of trying nothing I installed would actually run)
- Most linux users do know the difference between i386 and x86-64. Most people don't, but remember that linux is for the most part made by and for linux users, not by a company for a customer, so this doesn't matter.
- You know perfectly well that they can't put commercial products in a free-access repo
- Package management is now at a stage where you can easily install a program, if it is in your distro's repo, and you know its name. Search technology in general is still fairly crappy, but give it time. I believe that this is something that the Mandriva/SuSe-type distros will be fixing soon.
NOT A FLAME. I'm honestly just addressing some of your points - your post made me think (about package management), oh and reminding you of the nature of linux.
Anyway, you shouldn't become disheartened with all of this. There are some pretty good open source 3d engines being worked on right now. Pretty soon we're all going to be able to get rid of that windows partition.
The only thing that will be left soon is that old chestnut: devices. I've never seen a digital camera or camcorder connect properly to linux. My graphical artist brother can't use his tablet in linux, my little sister can't use her microphone or webcam on MSN to talk to her "m8s" from "skul".
Anyone here have both a hotmail account and a gmail account? Any of those who said yes also a user of ebay or amazon?
Then you'll have noticed that hotmail never marks a single amazon or ebay message as spam, whereas gmail does.
So, if amazon wants to put a program on my computer "to better undertand our demographic subspace variant molecularity", how am I to trust Microsoft?
the link in your sig should contain some sort of tracker so as you can differentiate between clicks on the link in your name and clicks on the link in your sig. then you can submit the data to slashdot, along with some insightful conclusions. inquiring minds want to know!
Like many slashdotters, I can easily spend several hours retreading the religion argument. A lot of us spend a lot of our time thinking about fundamental stuff like this, it appears. Lately, I've tried to speed this up by thinking not directly about the subject, but rather about discussions about it. I've noticed that the real insightful ones tend to come at some point to The Big Bang (tm) and then things break down. The only thing this leaves me with is a renewed interest in the progress of quantum physics, since I'm now counting on it to push this debate a bit further within my lifetime (read: stick it to the religious guys, though I have nothing against them).
While we're on the subject, what qualifications do you need to get a decent job in the expat industry in Germany? I've been living abroad for a few years now, but with the growing number of dual nationality people living there, with their insanely unfair advantage, is it even worth trying?
You're going to get chargrilled for that comment, but I have something more or less constructive to say in response to it anyway. :D
I've tried the BSDs as well as a huge amount of Linux distros. Linux distros have better hardware support than BSDs. I can't even get BSD to boot (some don't even install) on any of my computers. Linux on the other hand (slackware) boots fine, requires a minimum of driver installation - alsaconf and ndiswrapper - and I'm productive. For my purposes, Linux is the right choice for the job.
However, I'm sure you know perfectly well that sweeping statements arent meant to be 100%
Anyway, is this saying well known in the BSD community? I'm curious. It's like you guys have your own little sub-sub-culture. I think I can see where the idea comes from. BSD licensing allows anyone to use the code, meaning the focus is just on getting good code out there, whereas the GPL is actively anti closed source, which explains why from the BSD viewpoint it looks like we "hate windows".
Having said all this, I'm not particularly supportive of any particular licence. If I were to release software ever - I guess it's not inconceivable - I would probably write a short licence saying that you can do whatever you want with this code as long as you don't try to stop me using, developing, or distributing it... come to think of it... is that BSD?
Sounds like a geeky way of saying kiss my ass to me.
OFF WITH HIS HEAD
That is the most Sun-like headline I've ever seen on slashdot. For those of you who aren't in the know about crappy British tabloids, The Sun* is like the most popular paper in the country, and I think owned by Darth Murdoch himself. They quite helpfully have pictures on their main page of recent headlines (flash), hence the link.
*Health warning: please shield your eyes whilst loading the site. The sudden visual impact of the Sun's website can cause severe disorientation, epileptic fits, vomiting, and in some cases death. Not recommended for pregnant women or people with heart conditions
As a wise man once said:
Here comes the clue train, last stop is you!
Here we go - America did not build the internet. America provided a good foundation. The rest of the world is as much a part of the creation of the internet as the US, since without the rest of the world, the internet is just a good way for American's to communicate (think Minitel, France).
Countries have vast, complex economies relying heavily on the internet. They have, at least in the case of Europe, lots of infrastructure dedicated to the internet, which THEY paid for. They have a right to some influence over that which they paid for and built, just as the US has a right to control its own section.
A lot of you don't like the idea of China getting to cut off its citizens. Is keeping the internet in US control the solution? NO. To act in this way is to sink to the level of the Chinesec government. We don't want you doing this and that's that. What right does America have to tell the Chinese government how to use the infrastructure of its country anyway? NONE. A democratic system of government doesn't give you the right to control other non-democratic countries.
Also, the UN bashing rings kinda hollow in the wake of your government's Katrina reaction, dontcha think? Seriously - some rational thought instead of primitive, instinct based reactions would be nice to see instead of the trash that's +5 insightful in this story.
wait, you weren't talking about britain??
I could have sworn....
These are the reasons given:
they found my behaviour suspicious from direct observation and then from watching me on the CCTV system;
I went into the station without looking at the police officers at the entrance or by the gates;
two other men entered the station at about the same time as me;
I am wearing a jacket "too warm for the season";
I am carrying a bulky rucksack, and kept my rucksack with me at all times;
I looked at people coming on the platform;
I played with my phone and then took a paper from inside my jacket.
Long story short, another "shifty foreigner" falls victim to dubious police work.
is this also something the editors aren't willing to do?
*sigh*
Getting very old
that was the longest thinkgeek advertisement ever.
In my country, when we advertise things, we say good things about them. Perhaps it's possible that this is just an honest review?
You can check my crappy, embarrassing post history, and probably find that I have not hesitated to criticise what I consider to be overly commercial content, but in this case, my Official Judgement is in favour of the editor, and thus balance is restored to the topic.
Well, it depends heavily on their distro. It could be anything from apt-get remove mysql, or fink remove mysql, to pacman -R mysql. I suppose only time will really tell.
lol
Come on OSDN, how stupid do you think your audience is?
*ahem*
Shark Boy and Lavagirl! I mean, come on - 3D! IT'S A 3D MOVIE FOR GOD'S SAKE! That means you get special glasses which YOU GET TO KEEP!! How can you complain about the price when you are getting special glasses FOR FREE?! Check her out: LAVA GIRL
Allow me to recap:
- 3 dimensions (4 if you count the time it takes to watch the movie, upwards of 10 if you factor in certain physics theories)
- SPECIAL GLASSES
- Hot lava girl