Sorry, but other people profiting off the author's (or creator's) work isn't the point.
Well, considering the example that was given was: What would stop the retailers (or anybody for that matter) from simply downloading, printing, and selling it from their stores?
Sounds to me like that WAS the point there Chief, so apology NOT accepted. Hmm... I guess... copyright laws! yeah that'll do it. No one should profit off other's work. BAM. Done. Looks like I just wrote The Point of Copyright Laws for Dummies.
Why buy when you can share?
Now, that is YOUR point. Itd be really sad if thats how everyone really thought. Ever think there was a vague law that you felt wasn't a big deal to break, and the rest of the free world pretty much agreed? If you're a douchebag, I bet you haven't. I don't wanna hear your, "oh well then we should let killers and rapists free" bullshit. That is the cry of a desperate soul. Look at Texas, the 1000 execution wasn't a pirate. Audio compression is what keeps me from 'sharing' exclusively. When I listen to something that I really like, I'm listening to CDs. Hell, I've purchased many box sets of CD, only the good stuff. Its real hard to find good music being shared. When it is, who really wants to listen to that compressed trash?
No one could ever make the argument, 'you should not share music' valid. Just listen to that? How can you agree with that bullshit? Its just not a valid argument brother, it never will be. No one should be making a living off of art if they want to be heard only by 'CUSTOMERS'. WTF. How can it be that a music listener = forced customer? That's BS. If you want a CD, buy it, if you just wanna hear some Mp3s, download them. Done. I doubt MUCH faster internet will ever happen on a large scale in America, so you can rest easy at night that uncompressed music will not be shared.
DVDs and pumped up home theatre hype have saved the movie industry, and the music industry is ALWAYS making good money off the hired hands some people mistaken for musicians. Continue to speculate, move to hypothesize, skip theorize, and call it fact. I guarantee you have no experience in media, believe me, everyone is doing fine. I've watched screeners that were obtained 100% legally, technically they shouldn't let me watch with them, but WTF does he care? should he lose his job and his family go on welfare? should I be jailed? NO! If he thinks it OK, why not you??? Your stubborn stance requires you to mindlessly view the issue solely as black&white, and never case-by-case, however by nature it is a grey matter. In this world there are things right, wrong, and 'understandishable.' Growing up and dealing with basic social situations teaches you that.
Those who relentlessly oppose sharing have no respect for art, and should try to spend one day with your head out of your ass; the fresh air is captivating, and the view is great!!!
Maintaining illegality of PROFITING off of anothers idea, but not pursuing strict control over sharing is NOT advocating your little "anarchocapitalism" buzzword. You're going to give me the same crap over and over, "oh but if one persons share, we'll all start IT'LL BE ANARCHY" look, its not possible for the structure of the entertainment industry to crumble over Mp3, or for all literature to implode because of sharing a book.
If you are going to advocate anarchocapitalism, you'd better be willing to accept that freeloaders have a lot to gain from such an unregulated system.
If you're gonna advocate czar-like pseudo-intellectualist moral elitism, expect to get served.
Your moral elitism is commendable, thank you for a new light on this argument. A view that has never been expressed concerning copyright matters. My eyes are open now...
The BOTTOM line is, we have to make some exceptions...just as the Grateful Dead did here. Wanna just stick to your guns and enforce copyright laws like a Nazi? then what happens? No one listens to you, and you get to take a few suburbanites to court. MMmmmmm and justice is serv-ed!!!
Once you release to the public, it is their property to listen to however they see fit. REGARDLESS OF PAYMENT!!! However, It is not for anyone besides the artist/label/affiliates to make money off. That is what copyright laws are mainly for, and THAT can be enforced! Not enforcing the law on kids file sharing is not a new concept, we do it with nearly every other law. (aka: fuck it im turning on red, everyone else is at 80mph, etc.) It is true no one is above the law, but those who don't break it hard enough, shouldn't be arrested. Its amazing people have this strict southern judge's mentality when it comes to file sharing... This is America, if it really bothers you that bad that people can get away with petty 'theft', move to Saudi Arabia you twat. I'll help pay your fucking ticket, you freedom-hating, terrorist-loving, scumbag.
Honestly, it makes me sick to have to share my country with people like that, the 'war on sharing' is the same as the 'war on terror', both are a waste of time/power! Copyright effectively means, no one shall profit off an artists idea's...If you feel otherwise, you're not an artist, plain and simple. STFU. Listen to this popular music that's out anyway, IT SUCKS! ALL OF IT! The good stuff, you fucking pay for, always will... I say, if it even is possible, put the damn industry out of business so everyone's on a level field. It is then, the true artists are always out playing shows. When those artists place the CD/Merch money I hand them straight in their pocket, then I'll know the world is as it should be.
The "oh but the law says" as sole ammo for argument is absurd, doesn't work in the real world, never did, and myself along with many others will retort with a life-sized "Fuck off"
When its 3AM and I want a watch, a television, and some new shoes... No matter what I do on the internet, it doesnt really help me get there for atleast a day or two. All I am saying is, don't be foolish and close down your Meth labs cuz of this.
Of all the Lego hustlers in this world, this man was an entrepreneur. This sort of blows up the whole "black market lego" trade, so it'll probably end up like drug dealing and get more white suburban kids into BootLegoing. I mean, they're already using them, and they're exposed to Legos everyday... moreso around the holidays. This could be a good made-for-internet movie, Get Rich or Die Tryin' II: Corruption in Legoland- The Willian Swansberg Story
I remember when RJ Reynolds introduced Eclipse cigarettes, man those got you eff'd up (cigarettes with a charcoal-like heating element that vaporizes the tobacco, supposedly eliminating carcinogens) Then they allegedly found out the Eclipse cigarettes expose you to more 'cancer causing' chemicals. I really don't know who does all of these tests, but they really need a new hobby. Its hard to listen to all this cigarette safety crap, light 'em if you got 'em. If not, don't start.
What, like beer? Thats a solution that causes many alterations to wikipedia content.
That name "Alterative Solutions" sounds like a consultancy full of guys that are hammered all the time. Maybe they shouldn't spend their finances on advice from a bunch of drunks.
None of us are going to be alive for this, so what does it matter? We should all do our part to make it even harder for them to accomplish this goal, and pass it on to our children.
No you are certainly not the only one, there really is no way to find out exactly what harms us out of the thousands of 'advancements' we make. Certain vaccines are related to Autism due to high mercury content being introduced into infants.
In the land of America, I've noticed any sort of free TV listing is not really free. Any know of a truly free TV listing that can be used on my PVR? NO filling out forms every week, I mean free.
Why make fun of/. editors when there is so much MySpace to make fun of!?
Here's a random one that came up: http://www.myspace.com/mentalescape/ Beware of really bad MIDI beats.
If you've never taken a second to look at some of this stuff on MySpace, its just a bunch of people taking pics of themselves and waiting for compliments. 1. Add a list of horrible metalcore/emo-pseudo-teen-angst music (music played by 30 year olds, with lyrics written by 7th grade girls that just got off a SERIOUSLY DEEP 3 day relationship OMG) 2. Drop the names of a few obscure movies and old TV shows you were too young for 3. Guys- wear some girls jeans, and even if your shooting star tatoo is still red take a pic immediately as its added points! 4. Girls- wear your makeup like you're 4 years old and just broke into mommy's purse ...much more can be added I know.
Great list, however, i'd have to say the genius series "The Office" deserves more than an "etc" mention... To those who haven't seen it: purchase series 1&2 DVDs, and do not forget the Christmas special! Especially, if you've only seen the American version!
Ah yes, rich snobbish college kid know-it-alls, slightly less rich snobby college kid know-it-alls, over-privileged white college kid know-it-alls and Berklee students. (the latter may have been a bit redundant)
Don't forget how important it is to stress certain words in speech!
I didn't steal your money.
i DIDN'T steal your money.
i didn't STEAL your money.
i didn't steal YOUR money.
i didn't steal your MONEY.
There is a sign in a nearby boondock town that says, "GUN'S" I really gotta get a picture, its a handpainted sign with 3 american flags surrounding it. God bless the USA. =/
I HATE it when people don't use the write homonym for the word their trying to say! Everyone ax like they mussed no everything, but if your using the wrong homonyms, you have pore grammar skills. It has a very strong affect on whoever is reeding. Dew you no it looks as if the person that rote it cannot be seine.
As of whenever we want: your right to unrestricted discussion, or "terrorist talk" has been revoked.
This discussion has raised the topic "child pornography" above the US legal limit. The amount of "child pornogrpahy" mentions, could have triggered a thought towards children that is illegal, unpatriotic, terrorist-like, and above all- bad.
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Well, considering the example that was given was:
What would stop the retailers (or anybody for that matter) from simply downloading, printing, and selling it from their stores?
Sounds to me like that WAS the point there Chief, so apology NOT accepted. Hmm... I guess... copyright laws! yeah that'll do it. No one should profit off other's work. BAM. Done.
Looks like I just wrote The Point of Copyright Laws for Dummies.
Why buy when you can share?
Now, that is YOUR point. Itd be really sad if thats how everyone really thought.
Ever think there was a vague law that you felt wasn't a big deal to break, and the rest of the free world pretty much agreed? If you're a douchebag, I bet you haven't.
I don't wanna hear your, "oh well then we should let killers and rapists free" bullshit. That is the cry of a desperate soul. Look at Texas, the 1000 execution wasn't a pirate.
Audio compression is what keeps me from 'sharing' exclusively. When I listen to something that I really like, I'm listening to CDs. Hell, I've purchased many box sets of CD, only the good stuff.
Its real hard to find good music being shared. When it is, who really wants to listen to that compressed trash?
No one could ever make the argument, 'you should not share music' valid. Just listen to that? How can you agree with that bullshit? Its just not a valid argument brother, it never will be. No one should be making a living off of art if they want to be heard only by 'CUSTOMERS'. WTF. How can it be that a music listener = forced customer? That's BS. If you want a CD, buy it, if you just wanna hear some Mp3s, download them. Done. I doubt MUCH faster internet will ever happen on a large scale in America, so you can rest easy at night that uncompressed music will not be shared.
DVDs and pumped up home theatre hype have saved the movie industry, and the music industry is ALWAYS making good money off the hired hands some people mistaken for musicians. Continue to speculate, move to hypothesize, skip theorize, and call it fact. I guarantee you have no experience in media, believe me, everyone is doing fine. I've watched screeners that were obtained 100% legally, technically they shouldn't let me watch with them, but WTF does he care? should he lose his job and his family go on welfare? should I be jailed? NO! If he thinks it OK, why not you??? Your stubborn stance requires you to mindlessly view the issue solely as black&white, and never case-by-case, however by nature it is a grey matter. In this world there are things right, wrong, and 'understandishable.' Growing up and dealing with basic social situations teaches you that.
Those who relentlessly oppose sharing have no respect for art, and should try to spend one day with your head out of your ass; the fresh air is captivating, and the view is great!!!
If you are going to advocate anarchocapitalism, you'd better be willing to accept that freeloaders have a lot to gain from such an unregulated system.
If you're gonna advocate czar-like pseudo-intellectualist moral elitism, expect to get served.
Your moral elitism is commendable, thank you for a new light on this argument. A view that has never been expressed concerning copyright matters. My eyes are open now...
The BOTTOM line is, we have to make some exceptions...just as the Grateful Dead did here.
Wanna just stick to your guns and enforce copyright laws like a Nazi? then what happens?
No one listens to you, and you get to take a few suburbanites to court. MMmmmmm and justice is serv-ed!!!
Once you release to the public, it is their property to listen to however they see fit. REGARDLESS OF PAYMENT!!! However, It is not for anyone besides the artist/label/affiliates to make money off. That is what copyright laws are mainly for, and THAT can be enforced! Not enforcing the law on kids file sharing is not a new concept, we do it with nearly every other law. (aka: fuck it im turning on red, everyone else is at 80mph, etc.) It is true no one is above the law, but those who don't break it hard enough, shouldn't be arrested. Its amazing people have this strict southern judge's mentality when it comes to file sharing... This is America, if it really bothers you that bad that people can get away with petty 'theft', move to Saudi Arabia you twat. I'll help pay your fucking ticket, you freedom-hating, terrorist-loving, scumbag.
Honestly, it makes me sick to have to share my country with people like that, the 'war on sharing' is the same as the 'war on terror', both are a waste of time/power! Copyright effectively means, no one shall profit off an artists idea's...If you feel otherwise, you're not an artist, plain and simple. STFU. Listen to this popular music that's out anyway, IT SUCKS! ALL OF IT! The good stuff, you fucking pay for, always will... I say, if it even is possible, put the damn industry out of business so everyone's on a level field. It is then, the true artists are always out playing shows. When those artists place the CD/Merch money I hand them straight in their pocket, then I'll know the world is as it should be.
The "oh but the law says" as sole ammo for argument is absurd, doesn't work in the real world, never did, and myself along with many others will retort with a life-sized "Fuck off"
I SAID GOOD DAY!
911's a joke!
If they listen to Phish, they are certainly going to fail a pee test.
When its 3AM and I want a watch, a television, and some new shoes...
No matter what I do on the internet, it doesnt really help me get there for atleast a day or two.
All I am saying is, don't be foolish and close down your Meth labs cuz of this.
Of all the Lego hustlers in this world, this man was an entrepreneur. This sort of blows up the whole "black market lego" trade, so it'll probably end up like drug dealing and get more white suburban kids into BootLegoing.
I mean, they're already using them, and they're exposed to Legos everyday... moreso around the holidays.
This could be a good made-for-internet movie, Get Rich or Die Tryin' II: Corruption in Legoland- The Willian Swansberg Story
One difference is a bag of Anthrax would stay full much longer in my house.
"tones like someone has a case of the assemblies."
I think we all have a case of the assemblies, but that's life.
Wenn ich Million Dollar hatte, würde ich zwei Mädchen gleichzeitig tun!
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I remember when RJ Reynolds introduced Eclipse cigarettes, man those got you eff'd up (cigarettes with a charcoal-like heating element that vaporizes the tobacco, supposedly eliminating carcinogens)
Then they allegedly found out the Eclipse cigarettes expose you to more 'cancer causing' chemicals. I really don't know who does all of these tests, but they really need a new hobby.
Its hard to listen to all this cigarette safety crap, light 'em if you got 'em. If not, don't start.
What, like beer? Thats a solution that causes many alterations to wikipedia content.
That name "Alterative Solutions" sounds like a consultancy full of guys that are hammered all the time.
Maybe they shouldn't spend their finances on advice from a bunch of drunks.
None of us are going to be alive for this, so what does it matter?
We should all do our part to make it even harder for them to accomplish this goal, and pass it on to our children.
No you are certainly not the only one, there really is no way to find out exactly what harms us out of the thousands of 'advancements' we make.
Certain vaccines are related to Autism due to high mercury content being introduced into infants.
The article doesn't say if it tells time or not. I wonder if you have to wear that gigantic thing AND a watch.
Not because killing a man is ever 'right' but I think its a funny enough joke.
In the land of America, I've noticed any sort of free TV listing is not really free.
Any know of a truly free TV listing that can be used on my PVR?
NO filling out forms every week, I mean free.
Here's a random one that came up: http://www.myspace.com/mentalescape/
Beware of really bad MIDI beats.
If you've never taken a second to look at some of this stuff on MySpace, its just a bunch of people taking pics of themselves and waiting for compliments.
1. Add a list of horrible metalcore/emo-pseudo-teen-angst music (music played by 30 year olds, with lyrics written by 7th grade girls that just got off a SERIOUSLY DEEP 3 day relationship OMG)
2. Drop the names of a few obscure movies and old TV shows you were too young for
3. Guys- wear some girls jeans, and even if your shooting star tatoo is still red take a pic immediately as its added points!
4. Girls- wear your makeup like you're 4 years old and just broke into mommy's purse
...much more can be added I know.
ATi should borrow their briliiant advert's song:
Crossfire, you'll get caught up in the... Crossfire!
But, it is bigger, and whats worse for you is my city penis is actually smaller than my country penis!
Great list, however, i'd have to say the genius series "The Office" deserves more than an "etc" mention...
To those who haven't seen it: purchase series 1&2 DVDs, and do not forget the Christmas special! Especially, if you've only seen the American version!
Ah yes, rich snobbish college kid know-it-alls, slightly less rich snobby college kid know-it-alls, over-privileged white college kid know-it-alls and Berklee students.
(the latter may have been a bit redundant)
Oh come off it now! Maybe if New Yorkers didn't fancy taxis made of gold bringing them about they'd all use the damn subway!
I didn't steal your money.
i DIDN'T steal your money.
i didn't STEAL your money.
i didn't steal YOUR money.
i didn't steal your MONEY.
There is a sign in a nearby boondock town that says, "GUN'S"
I really gotta get a picture, its a handpainted sign with 3 american flags surrounding it.
God bless the USA. =/
It has a very strong affect on whoever is reeding. Dew you no it looks as if the person that rote it cannot be seine.
Yule understand sum day, I hope.
This discussion has raised the topic "child pornography" above the US legal limit. The amount of "child pornogrpahy" mentions,
could have triggered a thought towards children that is illegal, unpatriotic, terrorist-like, and above all- bad.
All who have posted must inform your local authorities and nearest recruiment center for mandatory armed service.
Failure to respond will make you a very bad person.