Seems from the article you linked that only a small amount of complaints actually meant the genitals. Most seem related to how fucking repetetive that is. Leave MTV on for a an hour, and you'll hear it atleast once.
"Now if they could just get steady pricing as well, so the Brits would stop whinging about paying more"
Perfectly legitimate complaining. From the brits, i mean.
"I agree. And, as another poster indicated, you also miss the more subtle aspects of the music. If you listen to the sound clips on the site, they don't sound much different from midi played through a decent sound card"
Far better than a "decent sound card". However, as most musicians know, it's not only about sample quality. It's also about timing. If the timing is too perfect, it sounds programmed. The samples on the site sound all very VERY programmed.
A japanese company called Enterbrain released a program/game meant for making simple consoleish role playing games for pc. RPG Maker XP is the name of this product.
This has not been officially translated despite the fact that there is definite interest in the product. If you don't know japanese you have to either use it in it's original language (hehehe) or download a translation patch from the net.
Now what i didn't mention was that there's a once-per-month authorization routine you must go through if you have the legal version of the program. You need to enter an authorization code and connect to a remote server.
Some people willing to support this company bought their product and downloaded the translation patch. What was Enterbrain's response? It was to make the authorization server look for the patch. If the patch is present, the authorization is interrupted and the program won't work.
Really great way to screw your customers.
The only people who can now use it without trouble are the pirates. If you actually bought the product legally, you're fucked.
Well they have Mr Bungle, Tomahawk and Fantomas. So there seems to be music you can listen to there.
Can't find any more experimental progg stuff there, though. Like Thinking Plague.
Ahh... My mistake sorry. There is apparently a difference between how the english word "performance art" is used in sweden and elsewhere.
Performance art, or the form i meant, is that kind of pseudo theater which typically does not involve a theater scene. Rather it's supposed to have some "other" kind of value.
Several examples of performance art i've heard about through lecturer (only mentioned passing so i don't know any names):
Artist was requested to exhibit some of his works at a swedish museum. He went there, took a sofa from one of the halls there, loaded the sofa on his car, and left.
Guy chained himself naked to a small dog house in an exhibition hall. When people got to close, he bit their legs.
All "fine art" does not exist for aesthetic purposes. How else do you explain the fact that Duchamp exhibited a bottle dryer on one of his exhibitions? Did he see it as an aesthetic object? Was he mocking the gallerists? Whatever he meant, it was accepted as art, despite being an object with probably nearly zero aesthetic "thought" behind the original construction. (remember that Duchamp never actually made the bottle dryer himself)
Now this is clearly not "practical" art. It is not craft. The design is not the artistic value.
Another example is performance art. None of it has practical value, it's not craft, nor is most of it aesthetically pleasing to the eyes.
Simply classifying art in two groups, practical and beautiful, is too limiting.
I think there was an article here in slashdot some time ago (a year or more) about how it was the Irish prime minister who was pushing for software patents in EU.
"There is no god, and there will be no justice. Don't kid yourself. Christianity is a lie. My only peace will be the day that I die."
Justice lies in the fact that no matter who you are, you will die.
incorrect. it is not a genre.
The only thing Paranoia Agent has in common with Dragonball is the fact that they are both japanese cartoons. Apart from that. Not much. You're saying "japanese cartoons" is one genre?
It's more like identity plagiarism.
After all, copyright infringement isn't plagiarism unless you claim to have made it yourself (and make some kind of money from it, afaik).
Don't be naïve.
Mozart had three things going for him which let him write music full-time:
1: He was a virtuoso (that is he could perform very well)
2: He could write music
3: He was getting PAID
Without point 3, Mozart wouldn't be able to make money. He'd have to work some crap job to make enough to keep on living, while at the same time making lots of useless time-wasting performances.
A performance lasts for the moment. A composition lasts for ever.
There's a big difference. They can surely inherit the BOOK. But the contents of the book are purely abstract. They can be reproduced indefinitely.
If we follow your suggestion, then relatives of monks from the 11th or 12th century could come and sue the shit out of most history books for using their illustrations without permission.
Whoah. THAT surely is going to help education -_-
Considering my current text book on art history has about 1000 various illustrations (mostly paintings) and costs about 100 usd, i don't want to even imagine how much it would cost if they had to pay the copyright inheritors of every artist whose work is depicted in that book.
"1) Artists create in a vacuum. The act of creation is a mystical experience above ordinary humans."
No.
Musicians (like me) write music based on past experiences. A long time ago back when i was in high school, i used to write music resembling video game music, because video game music was what i listened to.
Then i started playing the piano. Mostly classical music. Suddenly what i wrote myself had in it some parts inspired by classical music (bach mostly). Certainly not on par with the masters, but you could hear the inspiration.
Later i got into alternative stuff like Mr Bungle, Tomahawk, Fantomas. The result was that in my music i started incorporating things which i learned from alternative music. This could also be heard in my music.
In conclusion: Music is not created from a vacuum. Music is based on past experiences. If you have heard a lot of metal you're bound to "know" some of the components used when writing and playing metal, so your music will probably incorporate these parts to an extent.
Though i admit it WOULD be interesting to hear someone who has created music out of a vacuum. Ie someone who has not heard any music his entire life...
Slashdot Mirror
Yes there has to be a limit. I'm not looking forward to coca cola logos in orbit.
Seems from the article you linked that only a small amount of complaints actually meant the genitals. Most seem related to how fucking repetetive that is. Leave MTV on for a an hour, and you'll hear it atleast once.
No prob.
"Those assclown companies should of secured their networks."
Should HAVE secured their networks.
"Now if they could just get steady pricing as well, so the Brits would stop whinging about paying more" Perfectly legitimate complaining. From the brits, i mean.
"I agree. And, as another poster indicated, you also miss the more subtle aspects of the music. If you listen to the sound clips on the site, they don't sound much different from midi played through a decent sound card"
Far better than a "decent sound card". However, as most musicians know, it's not only about sample quality. It's also about timing. If the timing is too perfect, it sounds programmed. The samples on the site sound all very VERY programmed.
Well i don't like their payment system so i avoid them anyway iTunes looks much more interesting if one is planning to go legit.
:P
Btw: It's very rare to find someone who actually knows about Mr Bungle
Not in Sweden, afaik. They're not allowed to spy for illegal activities. I have no idea how they will react to any **AA style activities, though.
A little related story:
A japanese company called Enterbrain released a program/game meant for making simple consoleish role playing games for pc. RPG Maker XP is the name of this product.
This has not been officially translated despite the fact that there is definite interest in the product. If you don't know japanese you have to either use it in it's original language (hehehe) or download a translation patch from the net.
Now what i didn't mention was that there's a once-per-month authorization routine you must go through if you have the legal version of the program. You need to enter an authorization code and connect to a remote server.
Some people willing to support this company bought their product and downloaded the translation patch. What was Enterbrain's response? It was to make the authorization server look for the patch. If the patch is present, the authorization is interrupted and the program won't work.
Really great way to screw your customers.
The only people who can now use it without trouble are the pirates. If you actually bought the product legally, you're fucked.
That's why public universities are good. They're not allowed to censor.
Well they have Mr Bungle, Tomahawk and Fantomas. So there seems to be music you can listen to there. Can't find any more experimental progg stuff there, though. Like Thinking Plague.
"and can only harm people." I speak as an artist when i say: No.
Ahh... My mistake sorry. There is apparently a difference between how the english word "performance art" is used in sweden and elsewhere. Performance art, or the form i meant, is that kind of pseudo theater which typically does not involve a theater scene. Rather it's supposed to have some "other" kind of value. Several examples of performance art i've heard about through lecturer (only mentioned passing so i don't know any names): Artist was requested to exhibit some of his works at a swedish museum. He went there, took a sofa from one of the halls there, loaded the sofa on his car, and left. Guy chained himself naked to a small dog house in an exhibition hall. When people got to close, he bit their legs.
All "fine art" does not exist for aesthetic purposes. How else do you explain the fact that Duchamp exhibited a bottle dryer on one of his exhibitions? Did he see it as an aesthetic object? Was he mocking the gallerists? Whatever he meant, it was accepted as art, despite being an object with probably nearly zero aesthetic "thought" behind the original construction. (remember that Duchamp never actually made the bottle dryer himself) Now this is clearly not "practical" art. It is not craft. The design is not the artistic value. Another example is performance art. None of it has practical value, it's not craft, nor is most of it aesthetically pleasing to the eyes. Simply classifying art in two groups, practical and beautiful, is too limiting.
Could HAVE sworn.
I think there was an article here in slashdot some time ago (a year or more) about how it was the Irish prime minister who was pushing for software patents in EU.
"There is no god, and there will be no justice. Don't kid yourself. Christianity is a lie. My only peace will be the day that I die." Justice lies in the fact that no matter who you are, you will die.
incorrect. it is not a genre. The only thing Paranoia Agent has in common with Dragonball is the fact that they are both japanese cartoons. Apart from that. Not much. You're saying "japanese cartoons" is one genre?
It's as much porno as the Simpsons, so i see why you where modded down.
It's more like identity plagiarism. After all, copyright infringement isn't plagiarism unless you claim to have made it yourself (and make some kind of money from it, afaik).
We dön't have thöse ø's in Sweden. Thöse are danish :P
We are sensible up here. However, this is all thanks to the EU.
Don't be naïve. Mozart had three things going for him which let him write music full-time: 1: He was a virtuoso (that is he could perform very well) 2: He could write music 3: He was getting PAID Without point 3, Mozart wouldn't be able to make money. He'd have to work some crap job to make enough to keep on living, while at the same time making lots of useless time-wasting performances. A performance lasts for the moment. A composition lasts for ever.
Eh?
There's a big difference. They can surely inherit the BOOK. But the contents of the book are purely abstract. They can be reproduced indefinitely.
If we follow your suggestion, then relatives of monks from the 11th or 12th century could come and sue the shit out of most history books for using their illustrations without permission.
Whoah. THAT surely is going to help education -_-
Considering my current text book on art history has about 1000 various illustrations (mostly paintings) and costs about 100 usd, i don't want to even imagine how much it would cost if they had to pay the copyright inheritors of every artist whose work is depicted in that book.
"1) Artists create in a vacuum. The act of creation is a mystical experience above ordinary humans." No. Musicians (like me) write music based on past experiences. A long time ago back when i was in high school, i used to write music resembling video game music, because video game music was what i listened to. Then i started playing the piano. Mostly classical music. Suddenly what i wrote myself had in it some parts inspired by classical music (bach mostly). Certainly not on par with the masters, but you could hear the inspiration. Later i got into alternative stuff like Mr Bungle, Tomahawk, Fantomas. The result was that in my music i started incorporating things which i learned from alternative music. This could also be heard in my music. In conclusion: Music is not created from a vacuum. Music is based on past experiences. If you have heard a lot of metal you're bound to "know" some of the components used when writing and playing metal, so your music will probably incorporate these parts to an extent. Though i admit it WOULD be interesting to hear someone who has created music out of a vacuum. Ie someone who has not heard any music his entire life...