The problem here is that laws aren't being enforced. From your post, it sounds like you might say 'well, all you have to do is enforce the laws and everyone will know their place'.
Sadly, it seems that the U.S. has changed from a a nation of laws to a nation of influence peddling. If it was ever the former is up for debate.
The only laws that are enforced are those that congresspeople are paid good money to enforce (usually by the wealthy and/or corporations). Sometimes laws are decided in favor of the poor, but only if the issue is played out in the press in a manipulative manner. There is an entire industry devoted to this: spin.
If you limit the power of corporations, you limit the effect money can have on the political process. The only way to stop this is to prevent corporations from having legal rights. See this article for an excellent treatment of that subject: http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat?pid=89125
all I have to say, that *its' about fucking time* someone made it a requirement to use US citizens in technology programs.
Now maybe we can have TAs teaching American students who American undergrads can understand.
Then we can start a virtuous cycle of having American students accomplish things, instead of having our grad schools going back to China and Pakistan whenever the mood suits them.
American CS Professors should be *ashamed* they have not put the interests of the USA first by hiring only foreign TAs. At least whoever changed this policy will see that this will make for a stronger american workforce and stronger US citizen technology graduates.
In a global economy, America has *got* to take care of its own. If not, we are soooo fucked, because everyone else (chinese, indian, paki, etc.) do exactly this.
My opinion is that both sides became unreasonable at the same time.
Employers expected Americans to work for Indian wages and Indian hours. Employees expected Employers to give them every 3rd day off and free massages.
Any kind of compact/covenant between employer and employee has been irrevokably shattered.
So, both sides are going to say the other is the devil, regardless of the truth. It makes good press. And, as we just learned from the elections, isn't what's in the press more important than the 'reality' of the situation?
In NYC there are probably more H1B's here than Silicon Valley. As another poster said, they're all doing MVS/Legacy systems or some kind of esoterica work that people who want a career in IT wouldn't touch.
Talented IT folks can pull down big money. But Wall Street is shrinking as an industry (thanks, Eliot Spitzer) and there will be fewer jobs to go around, unless you've invented an OS that doubles as an ECN (Or something that significant.)
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I just want to put this URL out there, because I want to know more about this group, should anyone have any info on its leaders and stuff.
I generally agree with their policies, as an american programmer and worker.
I'm glad to see the amount of discussion my comment has elicited. And for the most part, I think your responses are even-handed and intelligent. And I will defend your right to the first amendment to the death.
Granted, there are alot of talented kids in the world. However, in a time when domestic concerns are paramount, perhaps it is in the US' best interest to educate it's own, that's all. I am guessing from my own experience that it doesn't, but from responses in this board, perhaps it does (thru industrial scholarships to US Citizens) and on that scale I'm mediocre.
And the point that not admitting gifted students to a university hurts knowledge itself is an excellent point.
I just don't want hackers from abroad using the great skills that my country taught them screwing up my life. After all, I mean, I think I have a right as a US citizen to desire that foreign nationals not use the freedom and generosity of my country against me. After September 11th, is that too much to ask?
It seems to be down now, but essentially the Soros foundation is studying this problem (and recognizing that the standard publishing model may be impeding scientific progress.)
The Best part about this: they're funding stuff too! So if you have a great solution to this mess, please go and ask for money!
This is capitalism at it's most shocking and base, and not unlike the question whether we own our own genetic material (or the rights to it, as biotech lawsuits have recently put into question )
Usually I don't dignify trolls, but in your case, I'll make that exception.
As a resident of Lower Manhattan, I can say that getting a job here is like getting a job in Post-War Germany. We're greatful down here for all the support from the Red Cros, but I'd really like a job as a programmer. Fat f*cking chance. The guys cleaning up the bodies are union, and if you're not in the union, there aint no work.
Big companies have stopped hiring (I have been offered 2 full time positions as soon as the "hiring freeze" ends.)
I guess the point is that if this were a REAL market economy, your salary would go down to reflect the abundance of people with your skills. I don't think it has, has it?
So I feel it is the government's role to equalize thinks a bit. I'm going to go volunteer at the Red Cross, not because it's the right thing to do, but maybe cause I might get a job.
Actually, if you read Paternot's book, he doesn't even mention that he's no longer a millionaire.
The book is a waste of money aimed at b-school dot com wannabes He hasn't regained any perspective at all. I wonder how lonely he'll be when he finds out no one cares about him anymore.
Same exact thing happened to me. Now I spend my days teaching college kids about technology, and I'm loving most of it. Perhaps the low pay may get to me after a few years, but I certainly don't miss the insane deadlines, messed up technical explanations, the greed and being tied to the NASDAQ for my daily sanity.
Yours Truly, Dot Com Lead Programmer
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All of these are excellent points! We'll see if HP gets any STDs from Compaq along the way.
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Basically, Daimler came in and raped Chrysler, and now, DaimlerChrysler is worth less than Daimler was before the merger.
I expect compaq will become HP's bitch. (Excuse the language.)
On the other hand, this does help consolidate the computer industry further, which might get us out of this recession a little quicker. You never know.
I could not agree more. Economics is indeed cyclical. Some life lessons:
When you make money, save whatever you can. Not only in your 401k, but have 6 months of expenses lying around, if possible.
Don't buy a new Mercedes unless you're Pierre Omidayar or Bill Gates. Note: Bill owns a Lexus, which is considerably cheaper than a Mercedes, Land Rover.
Haggle. If you've got money, you've got leverage.
When buying anything, consider it's ancillary costs: That New Mercedes will deliver a whopping insurance bill.
There's something that was popular in the economic crunch called 'The Tightwad Gazette' which was a magazine devoted to finding ways to save money. They would go as far as reusing aluminum foil that you got at the deli! But it can be done.
One important thing: each person is a treasure, worth infinitely more than any earthly possessions that they will acquire. We're all on scholarship here. It's important that you spend your time as wisely as you can.
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>I'm not american and have never lived in America
The problem here is that laws aren't being enforced. From your post, it sounds like you might say 'well, all you have to do is enforce the laws and everyone will know their place'.
Sadly, it seems that the U.S. has changed from a a nation of laws to a nation of influence peddling. If it was ever the former is up for debate.
The only laws that are enforced are those that congresspeople are paid good money to enforce (usually by the wealthy and/or corporations). Sometimes laws are decided in favor of the poor, but only if the issue is played out in the press in a manipulative manner. There is an entire industry devoted to this: spin.
If you limit the power of corporations, you limit the effect money can have on the political process. The only way to stop this is to prevent corporations from having legal rights. See this article for an excellent treatment of that subject: http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat?pid=89125
Too bad you didn't raise your rate to attract applicants. That'd be a shame.
all I have to say, that *its' about fucking time* someone made it a requirement to use US citizens in technology programs.
Now maybe we can have TAs teaching American students who American undergrads can understand.
Then we can start a virtuous cycle of having American students accomplish things, instead of having our grad schools going back to China and Pakistan whenever the mood suits them.
American CS Professors should be *ashamed* they have not put the interests of the USA first by hiring only foreign TAs. At least whoever changed this policy will see that this will make for a stronger american workforce and stronger US citizen technology graduates.
In a global economy, America has *got* to take care of its own. If not, we are soooo fucked, because everyone else (chinese, indian, paki, etc.) do exactly this.
With the icebergs melting down there, that's the way it looks like its going to go.
--BR
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My opinion is that both sides became unreasonable at the same time.
Employers expected Americans to work for Indian wages and Indian hours. Employees expected Employers to give them every 3rd day off and free massages.
Any kind of compact/covenant between employer and employee has been irrevokably shattered.
So, both sides are going to say the other is the devil, regardless of the truth. It makes good press. And, as we just learned from the elections, isn't what's in the press more important than the 'reality' of the situation?
In NYC there are probably more H1B's here than Silicon Valley. As another poster said, they're all doing MVS/Legacy systems or some kind of esoterica work that people who want a career in IT wouldn't touch.
Talented IT folks can pull down big money. But Wall Street is shrinking as an industry (thanks, Eliot Spitzer) and there will be fewer jobs to go around, unless you've invented an OS that doubles as an ECN (Or something that significant.)
I just want to put this URL out there, because I want to know more about this group, should anyone have any info on its leaders and stuff.
I generally agree with their policies, as an american programmer and worker.
http://www.fairus.org
http://www.rakemag.com/features/detail.asp?catID=6 1&itemID=15314
I think we have the same resources Norway has to support such a state, but we squander them in Enron-eque ways.
It's time for the state to step in.
They must feel awfully confident that Digital Rights Management would work if they will raise the price.
Unfortunately, 98% of the world's computers run a windows OS and make this very easy for microsoft to force on non-technical users.
Eventually, the techies running Linux will be forced to succumb.
I'm glad to see the amount of discussion my comment has elicited. And for the most part, I think your responses are even-handed and intelligent. And I will defend your right to the first amendment to the death.
Granted, there are alot of talented kids in the world. However, in a time when domestic concerns are paramount, perhaps it is in the US' best interest to educate it's own, that's all. I am guessing from my own experience that it doesn't, but from responses in this board, perhaps it does (thru industrial scholarships to US Citizens) and on that scale I'm mediocre.
And the point that not admitting gifted students to a university hurts knowledge itself is an excellent point.
I just don't want hackers from abroad using the great skills that my country taught them screwing up my life. After all, I mean, I think I have a right as a US citizen to desire that foreign nationals not use the freedom and generosity of my country against me. After September 11th, is that too much to ask?
And domestic kids should be given a shot.
Sorry. After being rejected from a whole slew of grad schools for CS, this is just the way I feel.
Select honest people (albeit with lower grades.)
http://www.soros.org/openaccess/
It seems to be down now, but essentially the Soros foundation is studying this problem (and recognizing that the standard publishing model may be impeding scientific progress.)
The Best part about this: they're funding stuff too! So if you have a great solution to this mess, please go and ask for money!
This is capitalism at it's most shocking and base, and not unlike the question whether we own our own genetic material (or the rights to it, as biotech lawsuits have recently put into question )
I have one word for you: Vote!
Thank you Dr. Wallace. Really.
I couldn't agree more. Start at the community College level, and see if you want to continue.
Doing math alone quickly gets lonely.
And I agree: Family first. I'd rather have a family than a degree.
Sorry Dude! Bring in Americans to do the job.
In this economy you will find many.
Usually I don't dignify trolls, but in your case, I'll make that exception.
As a resident of Lower Manhattan, I can say that getting a job here is like getting a job in Post-War Germany. We're greatful down here for all the support from the Red Cros, but I'd really like a job as a programmer. Fat f*cking chance. The guys cleaning up the bodies are union, and if you're not in the union, there aint no work.
Big companies have stopped hiring (I have been offered 2 full time positions as soon as the "hiring freeze" ends.)
I guess the point is that if this were a REAL market economy, your salary would go down to reflect the abundance of people with your skills. I don't think it has, has it?
So I feel it is the government's role to equalize thinks a bit. I'm going to go volunteer at the Red Cross, not because it's the right thing to do, but maybe cause I might get a job.
I agree. Good managers will go to the mat for people they manage. In return, you hit your deadlines, which keeps their managers happy. And so on.
Actually, if you read Paternot's book, he doesn't even mention that he's no longer a millionaire.
The book is a waste of money aimed at b-school dot com wannabes He hasn't regained any perspective at all. I wonder how lonely he'll be when he finds out no one cares about him anymore.
Same exact thing happened to me. Now I spend my days teaching college kids about technology, and I'm loving most of it. Perhaps the low pay may get to me after a few years, but I certainly don't miss the insane deadlines, messed up technical explanations, the greed and being tied to the NASDAQ for my daily sanity.
Yours Truly, Dot Com Lead Programmer
All of these are excellent points! We'll see if HP gets any STDs from Compaq along the way.
--Blue
Basically, Daimler came in and raped Chrysler, and now, DaimlerChrysler is worth less than Daimler was before the merger.
I expect compaq will become HP's bitch. (Excuse the language.)
On the other hand, this does help consolidate the computer industry further, which might get us out of this recession a little quicker. You never know.
I know one thing: I feel sorry for Dell!
I would really love to hear from Philip Greenspun and his experience with ArsDigita.
I think Venture Capitalists, with this behavior, will f*ck themselves out of a job. Check out the SBA They give very favorable terms. --BlueRain
There's something that was popular in the economic crunch called 'The Tightwad Gazette' which was a magazine devoted to finding ways to save money. They would go as far as reusing aluminum foil that you got at the deli! But it can be done.
One important thing: each person is a treasure, worth infinitely more than any earthly possessions that they will acquire. We're all on scholarship here. It's important that you spend your time as wisely as you can.
Thanks for submitting to my rant.