It is an interesting comment, I just don't know how close it is to where Microsoft wants to be. In my view, the Surface is something to mimic the iPad, but with Microsoft components. In other words, When the Surface grows up it doesn't want to be Android or Linux, it wants to be iPad.
Surface + Zune music + XBox games & TV + Live.com/Skydrive
vs.
iPad + iTunes music + Apple TV + mac.com
Microsoft tries to sweeten the deal by including Office, having big games on the Xbox side and some sync and integration between Windows RT, Windows x86 and Windows Phone using Azure & Skydrive. I think there's less catch-up to be played by Microsoft since Windows 8 was released despite the overall metro-hater sentiment.
This is why reviews are more valuable when managed by a third party that is integrated into the retail website, while keeping their own name and reputation on the line for being independent reviews "provider".
Because of sheer volume of sales, Amazon reviews are an obvious starting point, but I normally have to exclude the 5 stars and 1 starts in order to understand if the product has serious problems or if it's the user that failed to RTFM. Going direct to the website of the reviews company is a very useful thing to do when shopping. The reviews company I know of here in the UK actually commits to never withdraw reviews and only delete review content if it's someone insulting and swearing at the retailer.
Does MS not realize how vividly anti-consumer this is? Even to non-tech types?
so in your view, MS (and everyone else in business) should have dedicated resources for maintaining old products in perpetuity, just to ensure that people who ARE NOT BUYING new products can enjoy the old products?
I think it's your comment (and the 2 Insightful mod points) that is out of touch with reality. With companies requiring to show sales and profit growth in order not to be considered dead by the stock market and therefore by the consumer and by the banks, it is quite amusing to read that the 10+ years support period Microsoft has invested on the XP product is a let down. It would be an interesting exercise to consider the implications of this perpetual support requirement for every other software/hardware and non-IT product you can use.
true (and +5 funny, of course), but if the athlete/test subject did not have worry about rules and his long term health, then we could find out just how fast a man can run, rather than how fast a man can run without being caught breaking the rules of his sport.
You know what I'd love Usain Bolt to do? Or if not him, another top sprinter like him? While in their prime years, take a couple of seasons off and not participate in competition. Then announce he's going to take performance enhancing drugs just to see just how much faster it would be possible to run if it were not for sports rules.
They key is to have everyone asking the ISPs for the filter to be off, ideally at the same time. And then to put up signs on their front door warning anyone passing by: "Porn-enabled wifi network in operation".
now we have an internet built around open standards, and with HTML5, the services we use will be less dependent on the use of any particular company's platform
... and yet the sales growth is all on those bundles of OS + hardware we call smartphones and tablets.
While the health & safety concerns are quite different between the two examples given, they are not the only time that a union representative may be of use to you. My view on this matter is quite simple and direct: companies pay for constant access to legal counsel, be it for labour disputes or for any other type of contract dispute. Why should unions be considered a danger to society and to competitiveness if what they do is in fact provide similar services to employees?
It's probably a good thing that we can all see this matter differently. The guys at Inforworld seem to want a very clear distinction between how a Desktop PC works and how "other devices" work, even imagining a hybrid operating system UI for the devices that today are not exactly desktops and are not exactly tablets. This idea shows up on/. A few days after we saw multiple hybrid products and prototypes at Computex, many of them using Windows 8 on machines with varied configurations. Would the people at Infoworld adjust their OS everytime someone comes up with a valid hardware prototype? Or would they react to wherever the OEMs are doing and adjust Windows whenever some new OEM design becomes successful enough? In either case, they are not acknowledging that Microsoft has and wants to have a say in how their product is used.
It seems the people at Infoworld gathered the common gripes and made a mock-up of how things could stay the same as much as possible, disregarding any aspirations that MS may have to develop their products towards what will sell in the future. By extending the idea of Personal Computer to include smartphones and tablets, within 10 years we will be looking at a PC market with a majority of devices without any MS product, unless Microsoft seriously increases sales of Windows Phone and Surface. It looks like people at Infoworld haven't noticed that these products do not have and do not need to show any familiarity with the old desktop and icons UI.
Windows blue is looking like a a gradual change to what feedback MS got from Windows 8, without detracting from those objectives of helping them get a stronger position on the tablet/mobile market. This Windows red mock-up would be 10 steps backwards on that route, leaving Windows in an shrinking island of "desktop" users, without a clear route for linking them with other devices, which is possibly the best thing about Windows 8.0
So...exactly how powerful is a Wahabbi Sunni sect in an iron-fisted Shiite country?
perhaps they had support from Czechoslovakia...
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My Windows 8 store shows both Metro and Desktop apps, the latter have a different hue on their little tiles. Possibly a way to show a bigger number when someone compares "how many apps in your store?".
the consumers are idiots and will fall for four color marketing glossies saying these are the "fastest mechanical drives ever!" and boldly print the percentages all over the packaging... and then praying they don't look an aisle over and realize that a modest SSD would blow it out of the water for not much more cash
IMHO the product fills a gap in the market precisely because you can't just get a suitable SSD for "not much more cash". I looked at ebuyer just now and found the Seagate 750GB Momentus XT SSD cost £83, with a 750GB 7200rpm drive aided by 8GB NAND. For some it will be a more reasonable compromise than to lose the optical drive and pay the same £80 for a 120GB SSD. (or to pay £15 for the SSD-5.25 caddy and leave £65 for a smaller SSD)
At some point someone has to say that "I can't run this ship by consensus". Now that everyone and their dog have access to the internet it is very visible that whenever something changes, there are people who voice their disagreement with the new thing; and if there's no change, then people will vote with their feet and say that they will choose the most innovative product/company/project.
What is regrettable with all this is that whenever there's news from Ubuntu, there's no shortage of people saying that they moved away to Mint or whatever. If that is the case, why comment Ubuntu stories at all?
For other subjects, but mostly these of politics and religion, whenever someone suggests "those guys are just a small minority", I have to wonder: how do you know? have you counted them or is it wishful thinking?
There's no way I'm every going to buy the mobile operating system they've released for my desktop.
so you honestly believe that the Metro UI, the app market and the other desktop->mobile OS changes from W7 to W8 will all be temporary and removed in W9? I'd suggest to anyone avoiding Metro to try the Skype and eBay apps in Windows 8 before deciding that W8 and "mobile-ification" is a dead end.
Hi. The Metro start screen gets a lot of rage but is clearly more useful than a blank "desktop", especially from the point of view of people who have never worked at a desk with files cabinets. Windows 8 builds on the document/pictures/videos/etc libraries that 7 had, but really leads users to store their files where they will be better indexed and this contributes to better usability. At least that's how I see it: my not-so-pro users really struggle to find where they saved files unless a) they leave them on the desktop (until it's just too much to keep tidy); b) they are lead by the application to saving in the correct library. Just keep everything as per the default and 8 really does good quality hand holding. The way task manager and file copy dialog boxes were redesigned is an improvement compared to previous versions. On the W8 server side, my sysadmins also are happier with some of the UI tools hey have now. Having 2 Control Panels is confusing at first, but as it happened with Office ribbon, the choices of most used and seldom used functionality is correct. The integration of MS Live! accounts with skydrive, mail, etc. works well. If we agree that Google and Apple deserve credit for the good integration of desktop PC applications with mobile/cloud apps, I'd say that MS has done the same with W7 and now W8.
I have have Windows 8 at home for nearly 1 month and I'd say it's better than 7, as I'd expect each new version to be. Not a complete re-write, just more refined.
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Once upon a time there were retailers, but the rents were high, the logistics were tricky and it all became a bit pointless.
I haven't tried it myself, but the people who sell this are well-known old school Portuguese geeks: http://www.fullmailserver.com/
It is an interesting comment, I just don't know how close it is to where Microsoft wants to be. In my view, the Surface is something to mimic the iPad, but with Microsoft components. In other words, When the Surface grows up it doesn't want to be Android or Linux, it wants to be iPad.
Surface + Zune music + XBox games & TV + Live.com/Skydrive
vs.
iPad + iTunes music + Apple TV + mac.com
Microsoft tries to sweeten the deal by including Office, having big games on the Xbox side and some sync and integration between Windows RT, Windows x86 and Windows Phone using Azure & Skydrive. I think there's less catch-up to be played by Microsoft since Windows 8 was released despite the overall metro-hater sentiment.
This is why reviews are more valuable when managed by a third party that is integrated into the retail website, while keeping their own name and reputation on the line for being independent reviews "provider".
Because of sheer volume of sales, Amazon reviews are an obvious starting point, but I normally have to exclude the 5 stars and 1 starts in order to understand if the product has serious problems or if it's the user that failed to RTFM. Going direct to the website of the reviews company is a very useful thing to do when shopping. The reviews company I know of here in the UK actually commits to never withdraw reviews and only delete review content if it's someone insulting and swearing at the retailer.
Does MS not realize how vividly anti-consumer this is? Even to non-tech types?
so in your view, MS (and everyone else in business) should have dedicated resources for maintaining old products in perpetuity, just to ensure that people who ARE NOT BUYING new products can enjoy the old products?
I think it's your comment (and the 2 Insightful mod points) that is out of touch with reality. With companies requiring to show sales and profit growth in order not to be considered dead by the stock market and therefore by the consumer and by the banks, it is quite amusing to read that the 10+ years support period Microsoft has invested on the XP product is a let down. It would be an interesting exercise to consider the implications of this perpetual support requirement for every other software/hardware and non-IT product you can use.
I think the French are ahead of you on that game...
true (and +5 funny, of course), but if the athlete/test subject did not have worry about rules and his long term health, then we could find out just how fast a man can run, rather than how fast a man can run without being caught breaking the rules of his sport.
You know what I'd love Usain Bolt to do? Or if not him, another top sprinter like him? While in their prime years, take a couple of seasons off and not participate in competition. Then announce he's going to take performance enhancing drugs just to see just how much faster it would be possible to run if it were not for sports rules.
They key is to have everyone asking the ISPs for the filter to be off, ideally at the same time. And then to put up signs on their front door warning anyone passing by: "Porn-enabled wifi network in operation".
now we have an internet built around open standards, and with HTML5, the services we use will be less dependent on the use of any particular company's platform
I follow Shaquille O'Neal on Twitter and his iPhone does not seem to be the right size for accurate typing :)
While the health & safety concerns are quite different between the two examples given, they are not the only time that a union representative may be of use to you. My view on this matter is quite simple and direct: companies pay for constant access to legal counsel, be it for labour disputes or for any other type of contract dispute. Why should unions be considered a danger to society and to competitiveness if what they do is in fact provide similar services to employees?
It's probably a good thing that we can all see this matter differently. The guys at Inforworld seem to want a very clear distinction between how a Desktop PC works and how "other devices" work, even imagining a hybrid operating system UI for the devices that today are not exactly desktops and are not exactly tablets. /. A few days after we saw multiple hybrid products and prototypes at Computex, many of them using Windows 8 on machines with varied configurations. Would the people at Infoworld adjust their OS everytime someone comes up with a valid hardware prototype? Or would they react to wherever the OEMs are doing and adjust Windows whenever some new OEM design becomes successful enough? In either case, they are not acknowledging that Microsoft has and wants to have a say in how their product is used.
This idea shows up on
It seems the people at Infoworld gathered the common gripes and made a mock-up of how things could stay the same as much as possible, disregarding any aspirations that MS may have to develop their products towards what will sell in the future.
By extending the idea of Personal Computer to include smartphones and tablets, within 10 years we will be looking at a PC market with a majority of devices without any MS product, unless Microsoft seriously increases sales of Windows Phone and Surface. It looks like people at Infoworld haven't noticed that these products do not have and do not need to show any familiarity with the old desktop and icons UI.
Windows blue is looking like a a gradual change to what feedback MS got from Windows 8, without detracting from those objectives of helping them get a stronger position on the tablet/mobile market. This Windows red mock-up would be 10 steps backwards on that route, leaving Windows in an shrinking island of "desktop" users, without a clear route for linking them with other devices, which is possibly the best thing about Windows 8.0
So...exactly how powerful is a Wahabbi Sunni sect in an iron-fisted Shiite country?
perhaps they had support from Czechoslovakia...
My Windows 8 store shows both Metro and Desktop apps, the latter have a different hue on their little tiles. Possibly a way to show a bigger number when someone compares "how many apps in your store?".
erm... is Jar Jar *that* different from C3PO?
Maybe that Owncloud thing will work well to handle the storage and access. Anyone knows if its search function is any good?
the consumers are idiots and will fall for four color marketing glossies saying these are the "fastest mechanical drives ever!" and boldly print the percentages all over the packaging... and then praying they don't look an aisle over and realize that a modest SSD would blow it out of the water for not much more cash
IMHO the product fills a gap in the market precisely because you can't just get a suitable SSD for "not much more cash". I looked at ebuyer just now and found the Seagate 750GB Momentus XT SSD cost £83, with a 750GB 7200rpm drive aided by 8GB NAND. For some it will be a more reasonable compromise than to lose the optical drive and pay the same £80 for a 120GB SSD. (or to pay £15 for the SSD-5.25 caddy and leave £65 for a smaller SSD)
well, not a *complete* jerk about it, I'd agree. google.com/ig gets 1 year notice, Google Reader gets 3 months "sunset". AGH.
At some point someone has to say that "I can't run this ship by consensus". Now that everyone and their dog have access to the internet it is very visible that whenever something changes, there are people who voice their disagreement with the new thing; and if there's no change, then people will vote with their feet and say that they will choose the most innovative product/company/project.
What is regrettable with all this is that whenever there's news from Ubuntu, there's no shortage of people saying that they moved away to Mint or whatever. If that is the case, why comment Ubuntu stories at all?
For other subjects, but mostly these of politics and religion, whenever someone suggests "those guys are just a small minority", I have to wonder: how do you know? have you counted them or is it wishful thinking?
RAF and USAF pilots just need to use cockney rhyming slang. enemies will die laughing and the war ends quickly.
There's no way I'm every going to buy the mobile operating system they've released for my desktop.
so you honestly believe that the Metro UI, the app market and the other desktop->mobile OS changes from W7 to W8 will all be temporary and removed in W9? I'd suggest to anyone avoiding Metro to try the Skype and eBay apps in Windows 8 before deciding that W8 and "mobile-ification" is a dead end.
too bad their poll is not more like Slashdot... I'd go for Itchy and Scratchy.
Hi.
The Metro start screen gets a lot of rage but is clearly more useful than a blank "desktop", especially from the point of view of people who have never worked at a desk with files cabinets. Windows 8 builds on the document/pictures/videos/etc libraries that 7 had, but really leads users to store their files where they will be better indexed and this contributes to better usability.
At least that's how I see it: my not-so-pro users really struggle to find where they saved files unless a) they leave them on the desktop (until it's just too much to keep tidy); b) they are lead by the application to saving in the correct library. Just keep everything as per the default and 8 really does good quality hand holding.
The way task manager and file copy dialog boxes were redesigned is an improvement compared to previous versions. On the W8 server side, my sysadmins also are happier with some of the UI tools hey have now.
Having 2 Control Panels is confusing at first, but as it happened with Office ribbon, the choices of most used and seldom used functionality is correct.
The integration of MS Live! accounts with skydrive, mail, etc. works well. If we agree that Google and Apple deserve credit for the good integration of desktop PC applications with mobile/cloud apps, I'd say that MS has done the same with W7 and now W8.
I have have Windows 8 at home for nearly 1 month and I'd say it's better than 7, as I'd expect each new version to be. Not a complete re-write, just more refined.