How does it make him a shitty person? Now if he goes door to door and tells everyone, "Hey I use Tide all the time, and it's the greatest!!" then he is lying, and *that* might make him a horrible person. But none of these arguments are the least bit relevant to the actuality at hand.
No one came to your house, promised you that you would enjoy every minute of a film "or double your money back". No one from marketing personally endorsed it, said that it was the greatest film since "Ten Commandments" or even that you would like it.
All they did was show what they felt were the selling points of the film and left it up to the individual viewer to decide whether to plunk down the cash to go see it.
And somehow, for that they are being pilloried, called shitty people and thieves? Gimme a break...
If they were hired to deceive, then yes. If they believe in their product, they're not thieves. If they don't but sell it anyway, they are.
So apparently you have some device that can determine the true intent of a human from afar? Please, let the rest of us mortals know where we can find one.
If I hire you to shoplift does doing your job make you a thief?
How is this even relevant?!? Shoplifting is illegal. Doesn't matter whether you hired me or not, if I agreed to it and did it - I am now a thief. When I get arrested somehow your logic says I can tell the cops, "But officer, I never had evil intent, I was just doing my job." Women deceive for personal gain all the time. It's called 'makeup'. You going to round them all up too?
Your attitude sickens me. My employer owes me a living, and I owe him my time. That's the contract. If I pay you for X and you deliver Y, you have stolen from me, plain and simple. If I pay you for a thing, you OWE me the thing I paid for.
Your logic sickens me (or lack of it).
Show me on the ticket where everyone who buys a ticket is guaranteed to be entertained. You bought entrance to the movie. You got entrance to the movie. Where have you been deceived? NOWHERE BUT YOUR OWN MIND. You paid for X and you got X. You didn't pay for a guaranteed good time.
(Christ, you must be a wonderful friend to set up on a blind date. "I fully expect to get laid and have the best time of my life or else I've been wronged - and you're at fault!!")
If you were STUPID enough to make a judgment about a 1:45 hour movie based on seeing 60 second OR LESS of it, then you deserve what you get. Would you purchase (not *SHOP FOR*, but *BUY*) a car based on looking at it in a picture? Would you contract to buy a house based on a newspaper ad and otherwise sight unseen?
And BTW, your employer does NOT "owe you a living". They owe you wages for time worked. Try telling your Boss that and see how fast the words, "At-Will Contract" come out of his or her mouth. It's attitudes like this that are responsible for the "World Owes Me" generation we're so fond of sponsoring in this country...
They are thieves for doing the job they were hired for?!? Gee let's pillory the number of/.'ers here who put a catchy subject line in for a borign thread!
Get real; no one is dragging you into a the movie house. If you decided to go see a movie and then made a judgement that YOU weren't entertained, then tough. There are no gaurantees in entertainment, like MOST of life.
If you hire someone to seal your driveway with no credentials and no license, then it's YOUR frigging fault for being an idiot. If you buy drugs from someone you can't trust (and who you don't smoke it with FIRST ) then it's YOUR fault.
I am so freaking sick and tired of people bitching about the world owing them a living. TAKE SOME DAMN RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOURSELF!!
King dead? Source? Nothing on King's site, Google News, CNN, etc.
I call bullshit. I hate weak chain pulls like this...of course maybe you could get a job writing spam subject lines.
I hope that when Dick Cheney passes away, some publications will have the good sense to report it as follows: "Former VP Richard Cheney passed away today. We extend our condolences to his family and friends. Now, let's move on."
...whereas, most of us just hope that he DOES pass away, as opposed to growing stronger with the Dark Side of the Force...
Also, right! Similar thing happened to me; I was on the BART and started reading this thread on my PDA. I had absolutely no interest in replying, I rarely reply to/. threads in the first place. But after a few threads I was hooked. I ended up losing my job because I spent to much time trying to come up with funny replies and in a few weeks, CmdrTaco showed up and offered me a moderator job.
Reminds me of that scene in "Blazing Saddles" in the town meeting where everyone agrees with the preceeding speaker, and everyone's named Johnson... "Howard Johnson's Right!"
Brilliant reply!
I'll go further - if there is a single slashdotter out there that can tell me with a straight face that they believe a government as inept as the US could keep the greatest secret in human history, but take almost four days to get a glass of clean water to the Superdome in New Orleans (Yeah, remember those guys, *our own* citizens? They're STILL waiting for help!) then I'll meet you down in Roswell...I truly DO hope they find intelligent life in outer space because lately there's a serious dearth of it here!
There's a Springfield in every state in the US, only a few were chosen fromthe entries submitted. So either VA didn't enter or their entry wasn't good enough, I guess.
One of my earliest mentors in OSS, Perl hacking, and the guy who tuyrned me onto Slashdot, etc. owns the domain spfld.com. His name is (FOR REAL) Apu and he has (FOR REAL) a brother named Sanjay, he lives in (FOR REAL) Springfield, NJ not far from the (FOR REAL) Kwik-Stop convenience store. Yes, it is in fact destiny!
He's a great human being, volunteering his time as a Rescue Squad Captain, donating his talents to schools and such and was even a volunteer at 9/11 - truly a guy who deserves a helping hand from us! Anyway, there's a contest open to all the Springfields in the US and I'm wondering if fellow dotters could help my buddy out? Here's his email below:
Hi,
You may have heard that the Simpson's Movie is coming out this summer.
It will open nationwide on July 27th. But, on July 26th, the movie will
premiere in Springfield.
Fox invited 14 of the 71 Springfields from across the U.S. to compete to
be the one that hosts the premiere. And, yes, because we are the only
true Springfield, we are going to win (with your help). Please vote -
early and often - and then get your friends and family and their friends
and family to vote too.... Springfield, New Jersey!
The contest site: http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/simpsons-conte st.htm
Media coverage of our entry:
http://www.spfld.com/spfld.html#Simpsons
"Thank you. Come again."
--
Apu
http://www.spfld.com/
--------------------
Thanks for reading and hope you'll vote for the REAL Apu in the REAL Sprignfield !
Well again, you're not thinking like a business man.
The average Joe would be less likely to pay $100 for a vaccine when he's healthy than to pay $40 for cold related meds when he's sick. Also, you can sell $20 Robitussin to poor people all day long - but those without health care or the means to pay aren't going to be able to afford your $100 vaccine, so now you're going to have to sell two to three times as much to equal the volume profits.
And as far as 'not having to advertise a vaccine' you apparently are unaware of the copious amounts of money spent marketing and selling doctors on using a particular drug. Many of my clients are in the medical industry and they often tell me to come on 'drug rep days' so I can enjoy the free CATERED LUNCHES in the office provided by the reps that visit ONCE OR TWICE A WEEK.
Charging a lot only works if your largest target demographics can afford it. Otherwise there would be more Ruth Cris Steakhouses and less McDonalds.
You'd think the same about the cold, a common rhinovirus that's eminently less complex than the HIV/AIDS virus, that we know so much more about how it is transmitted and has changed very little in it's structure or behaviors. And yet we still lack a cure or prevention in the way of a pill or vaccine.
Would you rather sell a single, yearly vaccine or a plethora of symptomatic relievers at a much higher and continuous profit.
I'm no Harvard MBA, but my guess would be the latter.
Yes, certainly no profits being made by the altruistic drug companies. And we know they are always putting our health above the bottom line, right?
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/mariner/20031124.html
So while there may be no conspiracy in it's creation, there seems to be a least some credible evidence of a profit motive in managing the disease versus curing or preventing it.
>
With blood spatters found in his residence and his car missing a front seat, no to mention the fact that sales records show him purchasing a *number* of books on homicide investigation immediately prior to his wife's disappearance, I don't think wrongfully arrested are the words I'd use to describe him.....unless of course you're one of those people who still believes OJ is 'looking for the REAL killer' on some golf course in Florida....
Besides, this is all academic now anyways since Novell annouced today that they are moving the default files sytem choice to EXT3. If you want to talk about true sad news, what about Ray Noorda passing this week from complications due to Alzheimers? I wish Novell had put a little bit more than a press release on their website - the guy dedicated his life to Novell and made them what they were.
Even Vista dosn't support EFI on 32Bit, but I would lay odds on it working when it's released, now Apple are offically helping getting Windows booted on their hardware.
So I guess my tinfoil beanie wasn't to tight after all...
The question is, given these facts, is MS considering putting any support for Mac hardware in Vista...?
And the tin foil hat question is: Are they doing it already and this is one of the reasons for the Vista delay...;)
Wow, that was insightful. Would be nice to see more of this type than the "Wow it's so kewl to shoot da kopzz" and "You too can be indestructible! Just be young, a car thief on the run and urban.."
Cause frankly that's all I see these days. No games that require any bith of thought or reasoning - just eye hand coordination exercises for "killa pimpz" in training. Seems like each game is trying to outdo the one proceeding it in the depths of taste. The brainwashed masses of kids just jack into it until it becomes so normal and common place for them that reality starts to pale in comparison.
And when that takes hold, welcome to Apathyland. I'm sorry for not buying the "there's no link whatsoever" and freedom of speech arguments. Maybe it's a result of age, wisdom or some combination of both, but there *is* some connection. IOt's surely not the only reason, but it isn't helping at all.
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How does it make him a shitty person? Now if he goes door to door and tells everyone, "Hey I use Tide all the time, and it's the greatest!!" then he is lying, and *that* might make him a horrible person. But none of these arguments are the least bit relevant to the actuality at hand.
No one came to your house, promised you that you would enjoy every minute of a film "or double your money back". No one from marketing personally endorsed it, said that it was the greatest film since "Ten Commandments" or even that you would like it.
All they did was show what they felt were the selling points of the film and left it up to the individual viewer to decide whether to plunk down the cash to go see it.
And somehow, for that they are being pilloried, called shitty people and thieves? Gimme a break...
If they were hired to deceive, then yes. If they believe in their product, they're not thieves. If they don't but sell it anyway, they are.
So apparently you have some device that can determine the true intent of a human from afar? Please, let the rest of us mortals know where we can find one.
If I hire you to shoplift does doing your job make you a thief?
How is this even relevant?!? Shoplifting is illegal. Doesn't matter whether you hired me or not, if I agreed to it and did it - I am now a thief. When I get arrested somehow your logic says I can tell the cops, "But officer, I never had evil intent, I was just doing my job." Women deceive for personal gain all the time. It's called 'makeup'. You going to round them all up too?
Your attitude sickens me. My employer owes me a living, and I owe him my time. That's the contract. If I pay you for X and you deliver Y, you have stolen from me, plain and simple. If I pay you for a thing, you OWE me the thing I paid for.
Your logic sickens me (or lack of it).
Show me on the ticket where everyone who buys a ticket is guaranteed to be entertained. You bought entrance to the movie. You got entrance to the movie. Where have you been deceived? NOWHERE BUT YOUR OWN MIND. You paid for X and you got X. You didn't pay for a guaranteed good time.
(Christ, you must be a wonderful friend to set up on a blind date. "I fully expect to get laid and have the best time of my life or else I've been wronged - and you're at fault!!")
If you were STUPID enough to make a judgment about a 1:45 hour movie based on seeing 60 second OR LESS of it, then you deserve what you get. Would you purchase (not *SHOP FOR*, but *BUY*) a car based on looking at it in a picture? Would you contract to buy a house based on a newspaper ad and otherwise sight unseen?
And BTW, your employer does NOT "owe you a living". They owe you wages for time worked. Try telling your Boss that and see how fast the words, "At-Will Contract" come out of his or her mouth. It's attitudes like this that are responsible for the "World Owes Me" generation we're so fond of sponsoring in this country...
They are thieves for doing the job they were hired for?!? Gee let's pillory the number of /.'ers here who put a catchy subject line in for a borign thread!
Get real; no one is dragging you into a the movie house. If you decided to go see a movie and then made a judgement that YOU weren't entertained, then tough. There are no gaurantees in entertainment, like MOST of life.
If you hire someone to seal your driveway with no credentials and no license, then it's YOUR frigging fault for being an idiot. If you buy drugs from someone you can't trust (and who you don't smoke it with FIRST ) then it's YOUR fault.
I am so freaking sick and tired of people bitching about the world owing them a living. TAKE SOME DAMN RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOURSELF!!
Just be glad it wasn't a story about a FEMA trailer.
King dead? Source? Nothing on King's site, Google News, CNN, etc. I call bullshit. I hate weak chain pulls like this...of course maybe you could get a job writing spam subject lines.
FIRST post attempts, yes.
FRIST post attempts, not so much...
I hope that when Dick Cheney passes away, some publications will have the good sense to report it as follows: "Former VP Richard Cheney passed away today. We extend our condolences to his family and friends. Now, let's move on."
...whereas, most of us just hope that he DOES pass away, as opposed to growing stronger with the Dark Side of the Force...
"Fuck You; I'm Eating!" Ya can't beat that line...
Also, right! Similar thing happened to me; I was on the BART and started reading this thread on my PDA. I had absolutely no interest in replying, I rarely reply to /. threads in the first place. But after a few threads I was hooked. I ended up losing my job because I spent to much time trying to come up with funny replies and in a few weeks, CmdrTaco showed up and offered me a moderator job.
Reminds me of that scene in "Blazing Saddles" in the town meeting where everyone agrees with the preceeding speaker, and everyone's named Johnson... "Howard Johnson's Right!"
Why not just post a reply that says, "Hi, I am old and retired and have anger issues." Would be essentially the same thing.
Brilliant reply! I'll go further - if there is a single slashdotter out there that can tell me with a straight face that they believe a government as inept as the US could keep the greatest secret in human history, but take almost four days to get a glass of clean water to the Superdome in New Orleans (Yeah, remember those guys, *our own* citizens? They're STILL waiting for help!) then I'll meet you down in Roswell...I truly DO hope they find intelligent life in outer space because lately there's a serious dearth of it here!
There's a Springfield in every state in the US, only a few were chosen fromthe entries submitted. So either VA didn't enter or their entry wasn't good enough, I guess.
One of my earliest mentors in OSS, Perl hacking, and the guy who tuyrned me onto Slashdot, etc. owns the domain spfld.com. His name is (FOR REAL) Apu and he has (FOR REAL) a brother named Sanjay, he lives in (FOR REAL) Springfield, NJ not far from the (FOR REAL) Kwik-Stop convenience store. Yes, it is in fact destiny!e st.htm
He's a great human being, volunteering his time as a Rescue Squad Captain, donating his talents to schools and such and was even a volunteer at 9/11 - truly a guy who deserves a helping hand from us! Anyway, there's a contest open to all the Springfields in the US and I'm wondering if fellow dotters could help my buddy out? Here's his email below:
Hi,
You may have heard that the Simpson's Movie is coming out this summer. It will open nationwide on July 27th. But, on July 26th, the movie will premiere in Springfield.
Fox invited 14 of the 71 Springfields from across the U.S. to compete to be the one that hosts the premiere. And, yes, because we are the only true Springfield, we are going to win (with your help). Please vote - early and often - and then get your friends and family and their friends and family to vote too.... Springfield, New Jersey!
The contest site: http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/simpsons-cont
Media coverage of our entry: http://www.spfld.com/spfld.html#Simpsons
"Thank you. Come again."
-- Apu http://www.spfld.com/
--------------------
Thanks for reading and hope you'll vote for the REAL Apu in the REAL Sprignfield !
".... get on that Google!" Stephen Colbert, ladies and gentleman, give him a big round of applause....
I'm in UR holograms, thwarting UR piracy!!
Well again, you're not thinking like a business man.
The average Joe would be less likely to pay $100 for a vaccine when he's healthy than to pay $40 for cold related meds when he's sick. Also, you can sell $20 Robitussin to poor people all day long - but those without health care or the means to pay aren't going to be able to afford your $100 vaccine, so now you're going to have to sell two to three times as much to equal the volume profits.
And as far as 'not having to advertise a vaccine' you apparently are unaware of the copious amounts of money spent marketing and selling doctors on using a particular drug. Many of my clients are in the medical industry and they often tell me to come on 'drug rep days' so I can enjoy the free CATERED LUNCHES in the office provided by the reps that visit ONCE OR TWICE A WEEK.
Charging a lot only works if your largest target demographics can afford it. Otherwise there would be more Ruth Cris Steakhouses and less McDonalds.
You'd think the same about the cold, a common rhinovirus that's eminently less complex than the HIV/AIDS virus, that we know so much more about how it is transmitted and has changed very little in it's structure or behaviors. And yet we still lack a cure or prevention in the way of a pill or vaccine.
Would you rather sell a single, yearly vaccine or a plethora of symptomatic relievers at a much higher and continuous profit.
I'm no Harvard MBA, but my guess would be the latter.
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/mariner/20031124.htm
So while there may be no conspiracy in it's creation, there seems to be a least some credible evidence of a profit motive in managing the disease versus curing or preventing it.
> With blood spatters found in his residence and his car missing a front seat, no to mention the fact that sales records show him purchasing a *number* of books on homicide investigation immediately prior to his wife's disappearance, I don't think wrongfully arrested are the words I'd use to describe him... ..unless of course you're one of those people who still believes OJ is 'looking for the REAL killer' on some golf course in Florida....
Besides, this is all academic now anyways since Novell annouced today that they are moving the default files sytem choice to EXT3. If you want to talk about true sad news, what about Ray Noorda passing this week from complications due to Alzheimers? I wish Novell had put a little bit more than a press release on their website - the guy dedicated his life to Novell and made them what they were.
The question is, given these facts, is MS considering putting any support for Mac hardware in Vista...? ;)
And the tin foil hat question is: Are they doing it already and this is one of the reasons for the Vista delay...
And the last time anyone updated the news on the site is August 22, 2005, plus youhave to run Linux and a KDE desktop...oh goody.
Wow, that was insightful. Would be nice to see more of this type than the "Wow it's so kewl to shoot da kopzz" and "You too can be indestructible! Just be young, a car thief on the run and urban.." Cause frankly that's all I see these days. No games that require any bith of thought or reasoning - just eye hand coordination exercises for "killa pimpz" in training. Seems like each game is trying to outdo the one proceeding it in the depths of taste. The brainwashed masses of kids just jack into it until it becomes so normal and common place for them that reality starts to pale in comparison. And when that takes hold, welcome to Apathyland. I'm sorry for not buying the "there's no link whatsoever" and freedom of speech arguments. Maybe it's a result of age, wisdom or some combination of both, but there *is* some connection. IOt's surely not the only reason, but it isn't helping at all.