This might be different today. Logitech has now for a few years built their mice with the shoddiest switches possible. I had 3 different logitech mice starting to act up on left click after 3 months and be broken after 6 (and no, i don't play diablo or starcraft)
Maybe you are looking for different things in games than others. I am a 40 year old slightly fat dude that is completely jaded on gaming. Callofbattlefieldestiny17 and tryingtoohardtoretroindies left and right leave a sour taste in my mouth whenever i start the steam client.
Enter VR. Suddenly, the control scheme is completely mixed up. Shooting stuff is fun all of a sudden again. (15 years q3 pro here - i am fed up with clicking on things). Shooting at some guy while i fly through the air and slicing him with my cyber katana makes me feel like my 6 year old self when i did the same with plastic swords and squirtguns (minus the 10 meter leaps of course). I love racing. Driving in VR gives me way better spatial awareness, breaking for turns feels the same as in a car vs. "start to brake when this %marker% leaves the screen". I could go on, but i guess you know what i mean.
And then there is the elusive thing called presence. Some games manage to trick my eyes and brain in such a way that the geometry feels like it has substance. The first time i felt it was in Alien Isolation on the DK2. When presence hits me, i can dive in so much that the VR becomes the place i am at. This raises the quality of the experience massively for me.
I fully concur that steam is overloaded with unity asset swaps and samey shit. But being lots of shit there doesn't devalue the handful of extraordinary experiences that are available. Sure, they are rare. Mostly too little content. And even the good ones tend to have many similarities control/mechanism wise. But i see this as the comparison to things like ego shooters: you move the mouse and click on things. In every one of them. As the producers try to get into VR, they will surely discover new mechanisms and maybe even genres. And i am looking forward to that.
Trying to argue/describe VR to someone who never tried it is kinda like trying to explain what LSD is like - you HAVE to experience it. Youtube videos can't do the medium justice in any way.
The moment one feels presence for the first time in VR has silenced each and every skeptic i demoed VR to. But popping VRgin cherries is part of the fun for me:)
Sure. Implementing all the code to display ads within the keyboard app just happened because the cat ran over the keyboard. Oh, you mean it was an error that this crap got rolled out? Thanks for informing me about how the future looks like for HTC customers, then.
Disc Jam is pretty awesome, even more so with 4 players. (Mixup of Frisbee and Tennis) Riptide Renegade for Jetski/Stuntracing Blazerush (singlescreen) gets really chaotic with 4 players in death race. Trackmania is about finding the perfect line, hence no collisssions. Alienation for a Diablo3 clone in a sci fi setting (coop)
I *think* there is even a filter for local MP in the PS Store.
Some friend of you is using Facebook. Your contact data is now on Facebook. Someone took pictures at the party you were, too. Posted it on Facebook. Other people might reference you by name in their posts. So now FB starts to build a shadow profile by connecting all this meta data.
How effective this is i found out by signing up to Facebook. I did VERY late (around 2015 or something) and right after i put in my details Facebook showed me all my real life friends to connect to. It was downright scary.
I guess it's more about how people need to "relearn" how to logoff and stuff, since those functions are "slightly" moved to another place. Office drones tend to know their work pipeline down to the used shortcuts BUT NOTHING ELSE. Shit, they even call support when a warning pops up that reads "click ok to continue" if it's unexpected.
When we upgraded our company to win 10, we knew beforehand and printed out some small poster with new shortcuts, how to do basic operations like logging off or shutting down (now two distinct buttons instead of one!!!). Sad thing we had to do this, but we did ok in the end.
The "press win and type what you want to do" is just a change too big for most of the drones. I still watch them navigate manually to some subfolder to get to something.
Try to step on the spot when walking with joysticks. I had massive problems with Doom 3 VR and serious sam making me sick. But eating a ginger drop and walking on the spot completely eradicated motion sickness for me
No, the thread dies after Mr. SameProblem posts "I found the solution" without naming it. God how often i got to read that and wanted to punch some face.
i heard this argument before. There are different ways to consume games; competitive, exploratory, as an experience, and so on.... Not all of these methods require better or faster interfaces. Some of them become special _just because_ they are giving real restrictions. I am not a player, but the onward players seem to enjoy that a lot. VR sure has lesser viable game genres at the moment, and therefore for lot's of people VR just isn't their device, like the mouse is for the shooter and a stick is for the fighter.
Fun anecdote: it has a detection rate of my non-native english of about 90%. For everyday tasks like setting timers and such it has yet to fail me. But the damn thing understands me saying "ok, google" about 2 in 100 times.:D
Point 2 and 3 are spot on, but point 1 has some oversights. Digital DOES rot, by way of OS updates and the like. Plus, given the state of gaming nowadays, all game licenses surely have clause limiting the time span of the license up to until they switch of the servers.
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This might be different today. Logitech has now for a few years built their mice with the shoddiest switches possible. I had 3 different logitech mice starting to act up on left click after 3 months and be broken after 6 (and no, i don't play diablo or starcraft)
Maybe you are looking for different things in games than others. I am a 40 year old slightly fat dude that is completely jaded on gaming. Callofbattlefieldestiny17 and tryingtoohardtoretroindies left and right leave a sour taste in my mouth whenever i start the steam client.
Enter VR. Suddenly, the control scheme is completely mixed up. Shooting stuff is fun all of a sudden again. (15 years q3 pro here - i am fed up with clicking on things). Shooting at some guy while i fly through the air and slicing him with my cyber katana makes me feel like my 6 year old self when i did the same with plastic swords and squirtguns (minus the 10 meter leaps of course). I love racing. Driving in VR gives me way better spatial awareness, breaking for turns feels the same as in a car vs. "start to brake when this %marker% leaves the screen". I could go on, but i guess you know what i mean.
And then there is the elusive thing called presence. Some games manage to trick my eyes and brain in such a way that the geometry feels like it has substance. The first time i felt it was in Alien Isolation on the DK2. When presence hits me, i can dive in so much that the VR becomes the place i am at. This raises the quality of the experience massively for me.
I fully concur that steam is overloaded with unity asset swaps and samey shit. But being lots of shit there doesn't devalue the handful of extraordinary experiences that are available. Sure, they are rare. Mostly too little content. And even the good ones tend to have many similarities control/mechanism wise. But i see this as the comparison to things like ego shooters: you move the mouse and click on things. In every one of them. As the producers try to get into VR, they will surely discover new mechanisms and maybe even genres. And i am looking forward to that.
Hi, HTC shill ;-)
Trying to argue/describe VR to someone who never tried it is kinda like trying to explain what LSD is like - you HAVE to experience it. Youtube videos can't do the medium justice in any way.
The moment one feels presence for the first time in VR has silenced each and every skeptic i demoed VR to. But popping VRgin cherries is part of the fun for me :)
Sure. Implementing all the code to display ads within the keyboard app just happened because the cat ran over the keyboard.
Oh, you mean it was an error that this crap got rolled out? Thanks for informing me about how the future looks like for HTC customers, then.
I used to love HTC products, now i avoid them.
to the next date with River Song :D
We're not THAT rich ;-)
I never thought of Austria as a "banking country" like Switzerland.
Disc Jam is pretty awesome, even more so with 4 players. (Mixup of Frisbee and Tennis)
Riptide Renegade for Jetski/Stuntracing
Blazerush (singlescreen) gets really chaotic with 4 players in death race.
Trackmania is about finding the perfect line, hence no collisssions.
Alienation for a Diablo3 clone in a sci fi setting (coop)
I *think* there is even a filter for local MP in the PS Store.
Some friend of you is using Facebook. Your contact data is now on Facebook. Someone took pictures at the party you were, too. Posted it on Facebook. Other people might reference you by name in their posts.
So now FB starts to build a shadow profile by connecting all this meta data.
How effective this is i found out by signing up to Facebook. I did VERY late (around 2015 or something) and right after i put in my details Facebook showed me all my real life friends to connect to. It was downright scary.
It's not space and robots - sci-fi, but it made us contemplate and discuss the content for hours afterwards.
I guess it's more about how people need to "relearn" how to logoff and stuff, since those functions are "slightly" moved to another place. Office drones tend to know their work pipeline down to the used shortcuts BUT NOTHING ELSE. Shit, they even call support when a warning pops up that reads "click ok to continue" if it's unexpected.
When we upgraded our company to win 10, we knew beforehand and printed out some small poster with new shortcuts, how to do basic operations like logging off or shutting down (now two distinct buttons instead of one!!!). Sad thing we had to do this, but we did ok in the end.
The "press win and type what you want to do" is just a change too big for most of the drones. I still watch them navigate manually to some subfolder to get to something.
No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame.
Prime Directive and all....
Valve isn't a game dev anymore. It's just a marketplace.
Try to step on the spot when walking with joysticks. I had massive problems with Doom 3 VR and serious sam making me sick. But eating a ginger drop and walking on the spot completely eradicated motion sickness for me
so either pay 99 a year to be able to sideload software onto your device or redeploy it every 7 days. Not what i would call "perfectly legit"
No, the thread dies after Mr. SameProblem posts "I found the solution" without naming it. God how often i got to read that and wanted to punch some face.
Just ask the patient what he wants to see?
yeah LOTS and a "for" too much. Saw it the moment i clicked submit :)
i heard this argument before. There are different ways to consume games; competitive, exploratory, as an experience, and so on.... Not all of these methods require better or faster interfaces. Some of them become special _just because_ they are giving real restrictions. I am not a player, but the onward players seem to enjoy that a lot. VR sure has lesser viable game genres at the moment, and therefore for lot's of people VR just isn't their device, like the mouse is for the shooter and a stick is for the fighter.
That sounds a lot like those third wave feminists.
Somebody tries to dodge the "unwanted pregnancy" thing, i guess ;-)
are you as good looking as the gals? ;-)
Fun anecdote: it has a detection rate of my non-native english of about 90%. For everyday tasks like setting timers and such it has yet to fail me. :D
But the damn thing understands me saying "ok, google" about 2 in 100 times.
Point 2 and 3 are spot on, but point 1 has some oversights.
Digital DOES rot, by way of OS updates and the like. Plus, given the state of gaming nowadays, all game licenses surely have clause limiting the time span of the license up to until they switch of the servers.