you forgot to add M$ here so I will do it for you.
Any big project will need IT power to do things for it like planning and modelling and controlling at the end. As we know software without bugs does not exist so we can expect small problems at the beginning like obscuring the sun completly (until next patch is there) or making a giant lens that will cause massive fire all over the earth and thus cause the end of civilisation. I am afraid this is inevitable - can you imagine how much would it cost? Billions - this is a perfect opportunity for corporate giants to get some additional buck. The big question - who will be writing the software and if *they* lose the contract who will provide OS for the solution.....
As an alternative I would suggest to analyze what would happen if we run this project with linux or unthinable in these times of austerity and costs cutting - write it properly!
Or no software at all, or wait maybe we can stop them altogether and try to find cheaper solution and one that is not going to kill or ruin us all in a process. I think we all should go now to Bill the G(re)atest and beg him to give up the project and take all our savings and ourselves into possesion - please Bill - become our Ceasar and save the world!!!
So what you are saying is the following: 1. we have had conjectures 1..n and all of them were false till now 2. no new conjecture is therefore true
I have following problem with such logic (if one can call it that): 1. your list is limited 2. some of the predicted (and listed events) take more time or can still occur (nuclear holocoust for instance is not a fantasy - simply compare the results of an explosion of a 20kT bomb in Japan with the amount of avialable nuclear munitions) 3. some of the predicted events like SARS epidemic has not been able to develop into their true dimensions because we took precautions and I do not meen puchase of certain antiviral drag. 4. if your argument about lead that the metal itself has no effect on human reproduction or is it only the leaded gasoline? DO you know something that we do not?
I read TFA - it is not a doomsday one at least not in tomorrow-the-world-will-end-and-we-will-all-die-a- terrible-death type of doomsday articles so at least part of your complaint is incorrect. I also checked - you are the first one that proved Godwin's law.
no it is not. It may seem to you this way but in fact it is part of natural process. Your job can be done by sombody else so you are either replaced by this somebody or you let yourself being blackmailed into working longer for less etc. This is all part of efficiency program. We all know that this program is never complete and our jobs can be done more efficiently - always. Either we do it or somebody else will. You may quit and go somewhere else i.e. search another occupation, choice is yours.
If they want to outsource your job to India to save costs let them do it and go self employment way - I tried and prosper. If I read this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/5409252.stm (and other stories) correctly they will be severly disappointed if they do anyway. OC your job will be gone till then and your smart CEO will get golden handshake in worst case.
Indeed, but why do you think it is an US problem only? The same happens in EU - up to the point that Siemens sold its workers instead of laying them off on its own and all this while giving his manager 30% raise - I did not think german socialism is so ruthless.
I am not sure whether majority of outsourcing projects fail. I know that a study by Frauenhoffer institute in germany showed that big group of offshoring companies (I think they analyzed the ones of 400 or more employees) came back to their original (german in this case) market in few years time due to unrealized savings (in other words they failed to save anything in the excercise).
The whole process of deindustrialization is caused by big internationals that use their position to compare our wages on a global scale and use their power to avoid that same comparison for the products on the local markets. Some of them look like cancer cells (Wallmart is a good example) - their only goal is growth and this in the long run cannot be good. Of course nobody has enough power to stop such processes now. This much is clear - communism fell (and that is good so) so big worry for capital dissolved - now labor is preceived just as a commodity as any other (or so some may think). OC such results of commoditization of labour will have their end at some point. The markets in China and India grow and soon we will be able to sell our services there too instead of buying them only.
Complex subject (requiring rather more effort to control) and one we are going to face (better sooner than later) - pity our kings and queens (you may call the presidents or whatever this does not change their 'royal' status) are not really up to the chalange.//
Even if nucelar winter is an exaggerated leftist propaganda there would be millions of direct casualities and millions of indirect. have you ever thought what results would for instance a major pandemic have if current health infrastructure ceased to exist? Maybe we as human race would survive but our civilization would be over.
Still as we have no real world data I suggest we perform a test and nuclear assult china for instance. I hope they have enough resources to perform this experiment. Come to think of it clearing RIAA from the face of the earth may be worth a try.//
Nice reading but I am afraid you exaggerated a bit. Of course they are popular. Every winning party is and they won this struggle or it seems so fo now. Now Iranians will buy them new HW and Europeans build new infrastructure. Nice deal is it not?
But as I said you exagerated slightly, for instance: where from did you take these hundreds of Israeli tanks being destroyed? Speaking in plural about blown up warships is not close to reality either, is it?
Any war, this included, is fought by people on the front lines as well as by wider economy. At the end winner is who can prevail in both places - it is as important to obtain fighters (and there is enough frustrated young man available) as it is to have finance to buy hardware for them and pay for their training. Looking on the prices of oil and the fact that mullahs in Teheran have no respect for life one can deduce that as long as Iran has oil so long Hezbollach will last.
It may be that once oil runs out situation will deteriorate quickly - especially if Iran obtains WMD till then - as the frustration of the people will need to be channelized somehow but we have some way to go to achieve this 'holy' goal still.
Maybe the mullahs lose power and terrorism will stop one day. Maybe Israel will reach peace agreement with Palestinians. I would not bet my money on any of that though.
while we are at listing our own preferences I have a short list of my own. It contains one entry only. 1. Baduk - it is by all means the oldest game for which a computer or other electronics are used. Ever since introduction of internet go servers.
When I read it first time I thought it was just a publicy stunt. I still do but then maybe I am mistaken. I cannot simply belive that somebody may be stupid enough to risk prosecution for abuse of privacy.
Those that think it is funny should better consider how much would they laugh if information about their (as boring or exciting as it may be) sex life were released to public. Just because the concerned guys are wankers does not make their rights less important. Next time it may be you, who is laughing now, who will suffer and we all will be there laughing our heads off.
Surely if this is not going to limit one's liberties then accused (and being then listed on this blody register) can put his accusers (or all neighbours, his/her boss etc) on the list too (after all there is no proof needed). When all citizens of Ohio are on the register the problem will cease to exist.
Basic economics are for instance when you notice that goods you paid for with your hard earned money i.e. music CDs are not compatible with all your players and you cannot legally make a copy of some of them you stop buying. It did work for me like this - from 3/4 CDs a week I went down to 0, nada, zero, nul - I do not see the point of paying for goods that I cannot use. That is basic economics.
Let discuss the other argument you assume is true - people are paying only because they are afraid.There are for instance hotels and restaurants that do not charge for their service. The relay on customers behaving and paying. Of course they need to provide good service otherwise nobody will bother. They tend to have healthy profits too. healthy economics is it not?
And the argument about technical barrier for copying is just laughable - you mean I need a degree in computer science to be able to start up the browser? Well if the level of your computer knowledge is as high as it seems to be in economics (which contrary to common perception is not a science) then this may be your perceived reality. It is not mine and it is not any of the millions others (that do copy when they feel like it).
Funny enough people often copy illegaly and then proceed to buy legal version if they like what they got. Something the proponents of DRM and such crap are constantly forgetting.
BTW: when I stated that I stopped buying I did not mention that I do not use illegal copies either. When I cooled down from the first shock of not being able to use paid for goods as I wish I looked on what is in store and decided there is hardly something out there worth my time to watch and listen. Especially if new produce is taken into account.
I see different figures from which the lowest was 20% of difference. I claim that this has not much to do with actual costs. You being a knowledgable in farming say it is more expensive. Well shall we see?
I give an example from other area of food production where use of modern methods vs traditional ones is also perceived as cheaper and more efficient thus also 'better'. I assume similar processes happen elsewhere too. In the country I live in, majority of bakers do use chemicaly improved flour. This is easier to handle as the result is more stable than with so called traditional ways. Such flour is expensive as it is refined by producers. It is said that this additional expense of using refined flour is offset by better efficiency. Maybe. The way back to verify is rather difficult as it seems so they are in fact stuck with this refined thing (which is not that bad really - it just does not taste so good).
To make bread the old way requires knowldge that modern bakers do not have anymore. Certain baker in my country decided to come back to old methods. He was in fact forced to try something 'new' in wake of bread factories opening around that make bread and roles etc from prefabricated stuff. No knowledge needed there besides basic economics and cheap labour. It took our guy two years (!) to learn stuff his grandpa (who grounded his bakery) took for granted to use old technology properly and without problems. He analyzed results. After all this time he was able to:
1. produce better tasting bread (whether that was more ecological or bio I do not care - it tasted good and contained less chemicals) 2. his bread was not more expensive than the stuff from baking factories around his shop. This because efficiency was offset by profit of flour refiners. 3. In times when traditional bakers rather close their business and only big firms can afford to open bread factories he was able to prosper even if he was selling his produce cheaper than the baking factories (well he did not have that many managers and marketing people spending time and money on big implanted tits of their secretaries.
I am sure this cannot be directly applied to meat production or for rice production etc. But it can. In fact mix of old ways and modern technology may make food production cheaper and better without massive use of chemicals etc. It is possible. It is also difficult because there are vested interests everywhere not to do so. There is also a problem with knowledge. But as said - it is possible. Those that do not do it may miss on knowledge or possibility. Modern rice production methods in India for instance (remember green revolution?) eliminated traditional knowledge and traditional rice sorts from existence. Coming back is sometimes mighty difficult if at all possible.
If people agree to pay more for such food it is better for producers is it not? I do not mind either. I only contest the claims that it has to be more expensive. It is not production that usually is. These days we pay for branding and for packaging, transport and said tits implants etc almost up to the point where production cost of actual product does not matter anymore. I dont say it is wrong but one has to be aware what are the reasons and consequences of certain processes. If you however further belive in the more expensive bio products - then I am sure there are farmers (and shop owners) more than happy to deliver. And it is good so.
There is no proof that the organic is more expensive. We have no information available what the actual cost of it really is. After all organic also means that expensive chemicals are not used in different parts of production process. I do not remember where I read about this but the story went on like: the experiment with organic produce was that people expect it to costs more and in free market (what the heck is that ?) the price reaches the level which both sides are happy with. It has then less to do with actual costs if customer is happy to pay more.//
It is easy for the mice to be cheerful. They do not have to pay the bill.
Interestingly - happy people should not work in quality assurance especially of things like space shuttle or nuclear devices - they are so happy that they fail to predict all the black scenarios.
BTW: the psychopats that so cheerfully call themselves doctors used to apply electro-schocks, cut connections between parts of brain and tried some other methods of 'human' treatment. Now they manipulate genes to go on with their jolly deeds. I wonder where that ends. I suppose I have just qualified for their treatment.
I think you got this all wrong. You should understand what this article really says. Goldfish are martyrs who are not at all selfish (is it fihs after all) and are ready to die for the cause. Dolphins OTOH are filthy, perverted and corrupted creatures that value their lives more than some stupid cause.
If find the article very interesting. Even more so an argument that jumping out of the confinment in no time and dying in a process is a sign of intelligence and not doing so is a sign of dumbness. But I guess this makes goldfish martyrs and dolphines proponents of corrupted western civilisation (maybe dolphins are jewish???).
Well done aljazeera - I wonder why there are any scholars left that do not publish on your site.
Had you had read post to which you answered (by ThePhilips) you would have noticed that the person he was writing about took measures to stop shit happening to his/her machine. Why are you bitching around then?
For more extevsive explanation and clarification of current situation please refer to another poster that answered your comments by KagatoLNX.
have you ever been in place where bodybuilders gather like in a gim for instance? I have. There may be some genetic perdisposition to become a grand bodybuilder. Some even work hard. Majority dope. As with other athletes doping is a major factor. In some sports it is more so in some less. Bodybuilding is a master together with cyclling (tour de france anyone?). All sports are the same. Gosh they even give drugs to horses these days.
What wonders me is that every time something like this comes out there is a lots of noise: 'now we cracked it - it was an easy feat after all and grand master of Canada is just a moron'. Well done. One should go and try oneself - then we will see how easy that really is.
I suppose things are never as simple as (some) scientists let us belive. It is not all pattern searching in chess (or any otherboard game like Baduk etc). It pays off to replay masters games and play a lot. In Chess as well as in Baduk for instance. Athletes do repeat their excercises too to get better so there may be an analogy there. I laugh every time I see scientists clarifying things like chess playing ability. Of course real scientists do not normally do such oversimplifications. Scientific journalists do. It is as well Nature i.e. ability as well as hard work and a bit of luck that makes a master. We knew it all along and now we have a proof.
You are right of course - the problem is perception. Only perception of what? Even taking into account an odd moron for whom kiling random people en masse is a way of getting into heaven (with wine and girls) - air travel is still safer than traveling with a car - it is just that perception of loss of lives when one big jumbo crashes is much stronger than it is the case with victims of highway crashes.
Mass transportation is vulnerable not only because there is a whole bunch of idiots with access to explosives (IWATE). Still surge of bike use in London last year was completly unreasonable - chances of being killed in an accident involving cars were much bigger than chances of being killed by said IWATE in the tube (or on the plain for that matter).
I thing categorizing people into two groups (as Clint Eastwood once did: "there are two types of people: one with the guns and ones that have to dig - you dig") is abit simplistic. Reality is muchmore complex and may for instance be structured like this:
not IT compatible: managers, politicians, mentaly impaired etc i.e people that have others to do their jobs for them.
tech savvy - they know computer when they see one, they know how to start IE, Outlook, MSWord, Excell and possibly even how to install software. Some of them even know some web basics and some of them even work in IT:). This category includes also people driving modern cars which are a wonder of IT these days. Plane pilots too as they have a lots of video gaming to do while flying.
geeks - people that for whatever reason know there are alternatives to predominant office suite/OS, in some rare contexts this may mean that they know how tu install linux etc. They also know that software can be rebooted to make things work better:).
emacs fanatics (coders?) - these are the ones that actually know why things do not work
vi wizards (admins,hackers???) - they know why things do not work and more importantly how to make them work.
In the mind of the common folk two later categories do not really exist as they do not know what emacs/vi are. They call them geeks/hackers depending on weather and if they were mentioned within context of a public prosecution or just general IT. I attached the mentioned categories to certain editors but this is just my view - in reality they are broadly IT: professionals or kids that know things.
BTW: being a hacker or admin or experienced user etc does not qualify you to be in any of above categories. The names chosen are arbitrary and serve only as an anchor for each category.
While walking the earth (and working for big corporations) I encountered countless technologies you can qualify as silver bullets. They all come wrapped up in shiny packages and beside obvious help in technical work are usually supposed to find cure for cancer, eliminate poverty and among many other things arange peace for the world. Alas I hardly remember what they are all about. But I recall two that managment team tried on us:
faultless software policy
'no heroes' policy
I am still waiting to see occurance of the first one and chief boss brave enough to properly implement the second even though attempts are constantlly made to down size, off-shore or tell a cleaning lady to do my job while swiping the floors etc.
When one thinks of it - it is really a pity that so much effort to produce so many shiny tools and technologies go wasted all the time. I guess somebody makes healthy profit on our stupidity and/or indiferrence because I cannot explain why new ones are coming without a pause.
Well it is US that has superior technology whether in space, military or in enhancing body performance with chemicals. Not that I care. If professional sportsman choses to abuse their body it is their business. I do not watch these events anymore as it just got pointless.
The ideals are all gone in professional flavour of sport. These people are not an example to youngsters anymore. At least I hope ther are not.
but the senseros cleaning person is not as expensive as a person that has to handle money. It is then better to waste your time than invest. Unless it hurts profits it will stay.
The question is however whether it is only impulse that is badly affected. It may be that some customers go some other place because they prefer fast and efficient human service and some other customers (buying one pack of condoms etc) come. Whether the chain will see profits decrease or increase is a bit complicated matter especially as the technology is rather not that advanced yet (to say the least).
of course the best solution to all the problems surrounding new technology would be if we stopped purchasing items difficult to control in these machines. In time we may move into simple artificailly made foods that have neither real nutritional nor taste value and this problem ceases to exist. heck some of us are already there!
If you stand up and fight you have a chance, if you give up you have lost already.
I am not sure about Canada but I guess this works the same for any big corporation with alot of small customers. When I worked for a big telco in germany we got these propaganda mails most of my collegues filtered out into the junk pot. I read them for personal amusment. In one of those there was an interesting story about blackout of a part of mobile network in service area of a major busniess fair. They were proud of a cunning plan they had come up with to sooth the angry customers. It went like this: 1. if you did not complain you just did not have the service 2. if you complained a little you did not have the servie and you wasted your time 3. if you complained a lot and ask for supervisor you got a voucher for 25euros (or whatever I do not remember).
This allowed me to understand behaviour of my ISP. I complained as long as it took to get my problem solved. At the end I was given the right and they agreed to repay my monthly fee for the period in which I had problems.
It is simple - it is (in majority of cases) not profitable for them to fight you. Even if they wanted to set an example of what they do with malcontents and illiterate morons that just have big time complaining - this would usually be a bad publicity - something that will be directly used by thir competitors.
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you forgot to add M$ here so I will do it for you.
Any big project will need IT power to do things for it like planning and modelling and controlling at the end. As we know software without bugs does not exist so we can expect small problems at the beginning like obscuring the sun completly (until next patch is there) or making a giant lens that will cause massive fire all over the earth and thus cause the end of civilisation. I am afraid this is inevitable - can you imagine how much would it cost? Billions - this is a perfect opportunity for corporate giants to get some additional buck. The big question - who will be writing the software and if *they* lose the contract who will provide OS for the solution.....
As an alternative I would suggest to analyze what would happen if we run this project with linux or unthinable in these times of austerity and costs cutting - write it properly!
Or no software at all, or wait maybe we can stop them altogether and try to find cheaper solution and one that is not going to kill or ruin us all in a process.
I think we all should go now to Bill the G(re)atest and beg him to give up the project and take all our savings and ourselves into possesion - please Bill - become our Ceasar and save the world!!!
God save the Ceasar Bill the G(re)atest!!!
So what you are saying is the following:
- terrible-death type of doomsday articles so at least part of your complaint is incorrect.
1. we have had conjectures 1..n and all of them were false till now
2. no new conjecture is therefore true
I have following problem with such logic (if one can call it that):
1. your list is limited
2. some of the predicted (and listed events) take more time or can still occur (nuclear holocoust for instance is not a fantasy - simply compare the results of an explosion of a 20kT bomb in Japan with the amount of avialable nuclear munitions)
3. some of the predicted events like SARS epidemic has not been able to develop into their true dimensions because we took precautions and I do not meen puchase of certain antiviral drag.
4. if your argument about lead that the metal itself has no effect on human reproduction or is it only the leaded gasoline? DO you know something that we do not?
I read TFA - it is not a doomsday one at least not in tomorrow-the-world-will-end-and-we-will-all-die-a
I also checked - you are the first one that proved Godwin's law.
There is no reason to complain as yet.
no it is not. It may seem to you this way but in fact it is part of natural process. Your job can be done by sombody else so you are either replaced by this somebody or you let yourself being blackmailed into working longer for less etc.
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This is all part of efficiency program. We all know that this program is never complete and our jobs can be done more efficiently - always. Either we do it or somebody else will. You may quit and go somewhere else i.e. search another occupation, choice is yours.
If they want to outsource your job to India to save costs let them do it and go self employment way - I tried and prosper.
If I read this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/5409252.stm
(and other stories) correctly they will be severly disappointed if they do anyway. OC your job will be gone till then and your smart CEO will get golden handshake in worst case.
Such is life and whining here will not help.
Indeed, but why do you think it is an US problem only? The same happens in EU - up to the point that Siemens sold its workers instead of laying them off on its own and all this while giving his manager 30% raise - I did not think german socialism is so ruthless.
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I am not sure whether majority of outsourcing projects fail. I know that a study by Frauenhoffer institute in germany showed that big group of offshoring companies (I think they analyzed the ones of 400 or more employees) came back to their original (german in this case) market in few years time due to unrealized savings (in other words they failed to save anything in the excercise).
The whole process of deindustrialization is caused by big internationals that use their position to compare our wages on a global scale and use their power to avoid that same comparison for the products on the local markets. Some of them look like cancer cells (Wallmart is a good example) - their only goal is growth and this in the long run cannot be good. Of course nobody has enough power to stop such processes now. This much is clear - communism fell (and that is good so) so big worry for capital dissolved - now labor is preceived just as a commodity as any other (or so some may think). OC such results of commoditization of labour will have their end at some point. The markets in China and India grow and soon we will be able to sell our services there too instead of buying them only.
Complex subject (requiring rather more effort to control) and one we are going to face (better sooner than later) - pity our kings and queens (you may call the presidents or whatever this does not change their 'royal' status) are not really up to the chalange.
Even if nucelar winter is an exaggerated leftist propaganda there would be millions of direct casualities and millions of indirect. have you ever thought what results would for instance a major pandemic have if current health infrastructure ceased to exist? Maybe we as human race would survive but our civilization would be over.
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Still as we have no real world data I suggest we perform a test and nuclear assult china for instance. I hope they have enough resources to perform this experiment. Come to think of it clearing RIAA from the face of the earth may be worth a try.
you forgot free radicals (I do not meen the ones in vests packed with explosives but the ones causing cancer).
Nice reading but I am afraid you exaggerated a bit. Of course they are popular. Every winning party is and they won this struggle or it seems so fo now. Now Iranians will buy them new HW and Europeans build new infrastructure. Nice deal is it not?
But as I said you exagerated slightly, for instance: where from did you take these hundreds of Israeli tanks being destroyed? Speaking in plural about blown up warships is not close to reality either, is it?
Any war, this included, is fought by people on the front lines as well as by wider economy. At the end winner is who can prevail in both places - it is as important to obtain fighters (and there is enough frustrated young man available) as it is to have finance to buy hardware for them and pay for their training. Looking on the prices of oil and the fact that mullahs in Teheran have no respect for life one can deduce that as long as Iran has oil so long Hezbollach will last.
It may be that once oil runs out situation will deteriorate quickly - especially if Iran obtains WMD till then - as the frustration of the people will need to be channelized somehow but we have some way to go to achieve this 'holy' goal still.
Maybe the mullahs lose power and terrorism will stop one day. Maybe Israel will reach peace agreement with Palestinians. I would not bet my money on any of that though.
while we are at listing our own preferences I have a short list of my own. It contains one entry only.
1. Baduk - it is by all means the oldest game for which a computer or other electronics are used. Ever since introduction of internet go servers.
There is no need for any other game.
When I read it first time I thought it was just a publicy stunt. I still do but then maybe I am mistaken. I cannot simply belive that somebody may be stupid enough to risk prosecution for abuse of privacy.
Those that think it is funny should better consider how much would they laugh if information about their (as boring or exciting as it may be) sex life were released to public. Just because the concerned guys are wankers does not make their rights less important. Next time it may be you, who is laughing now, who will suffer and we all will be there laughing our heads off.
Surely if this is not going to limit one's liberties then accused (and being then listed on this blody register) can put his accusers (or all neighbours, his/her boss etc) on the list too (after all there is no proof needed). When all citizens of Ohio are on the register the problem will cease to exist.
Basic economics are for instance when you notice that goods you paid for with your hard earned money i.e. music CDs are not compatible with all your players and you cannot legally make a copy of some of them you stop buying. It did work for me like this - from 3/4 CDs a week I went down to 0, nada, zero, nul - I do not see the point of paying for goods that I cannot use. That is basic economics.
Let discuss the other argument you assume is true - people are paying only because they are afraid.There are for instance hotels and restaurants that do not charge for their service. The relay on customers behaving and paying. Of course they need to provide good service otherwise nobody will bother. They tend to have healthy profits too. healthy economics is it not?
And the argument about technical barrier for copying is just laughable - you mean I need a degree in computer science to be able to start up the browser? Well if the level of your computer knowledge is as high as it seems to be in economics (which contrary to common perception is not a science) then this may be your perceived reality. It is not mine and it is not any of the millions others (that do copy when they feel like it).
Funny enough people often copy illegaly and then proceed to buy legal version if they like what they got. Something the proponents of DRM and such crap are constantly forgetting.
BTW: when I stated that I stopped buying I did not mention that I do not use illegal copies either. When I cooled down from the first shock of not being able to use paid for goods as I wish I looked on what is in store and decided there is hardly something out there worth my time to watch and listen. Especially if new produce is taken into account.
I see different figures from which the lowest was 20% of difference. I claim that this has not much to do with actual costs. You being a knowledgable in farming say it is more expensive. Well shall we see?
I give an example from other area of food production where use of modern methods vs traditional ones is also perceived as cheaper and more efficient thus also 'better'. I assume similar processes happen elsewhere too.
In the country I live in, majority of bakers do use chemicaly improved flour. This is easier to handle as the result is more stable than with so called traditional ways. Such flour is expensive as it is refined by producers. It is said that this additional expense of using refined flour is offset by better efficiency. Maybe. The way back to verify is rather difficult as it seems so they are in fact stuck with this refined thing (which is not that bad really - it just does not taste so good).
To make bread the old way requires knowldge that modern bakers do not have anymore. Certain baker in my country decided to come back to old methods. He was in fact forced to try something 'new' in wake of bread factories opening around that make bread and roles etc from prefabricated stuff. No knowledge needed there besides basic economics and cheap labour. It took our guy two years (!) to learn stuff his grandpa (who grounded his bakery) took for granted to use old technology properly and without problems. He analyzed results. After all this time he was able to:
1. produce better tasting bread (whether that was more ecological or bio I do not care - it tasted good and contained less chemicals)
2. his bread was not more expensive than the stuff from baking factories around his shop. This because efficiency was offset by profit of flour refiners.
3. In times when traditional bakers rather close their business and only big firms can afford to open bread factories he was able to prosper even if he was selling his produce cheaper than the baking factories (well he did not have that many managers and marketing people spending time and money on big implanted tits of their secretaries.
I am sure this cannot be directly applied to meat production or for rice production etc. But it can. In fact mix of old ways and modern technology may make food production cheaper and better without massive use of chemicals etc. It is possible. It is also difficult because there are vested interests everywhere not to do so. There is also a problem with knowledge. But as said - it is possible. Those that do not do it may miss on knowledge or possibility. Modern rice production methods in India for instance (remember green revolution?) eliminated traditional knowledge and traditional rice sorts from existence. Coming back is sometimes mighty difficult if at all possible.
If people agree to pay more for such food it is better for producers is it not? I do not mind either. I only contest the claims that it has to be more expensive. It is not production that usually is. These days we pay for branding and for packaging, transport and said tits implants etc almost up to the point where production cost of actual product does not matter anymore. I dont say it is wrong but one has to be aware what are the reasons and consequences of certain processes. If you however further belive in the more expensive bio products - then I am sure there are farmers (and shop owners) more than happy to deliver. And it is good so.
There is no proof that the organic is more expensive. We have no information available what the actual cost of it really is. After all organic also means that expensive chemicals are not used in different parts of production process. I do not remember where I read about this but the story went on like: the experiment with organic produce was that people expect it to costs more and in free market (what the heck is that ?) the price reaches the level which both sides are happy with. It has then less to do with actual costs if customer is happy to pay more. //
It is easy for the mice to be cheerful. They do not have to pay the bill.
Interestingly - happy people should not work in quality assurance especially of things like space shuttle or nuclear devices - they are so happy that they fail to predict all the black scenarios.
BTW: the psychopats that so cheerfully call themselves doctors used to apply electro-schocks, cut connections between parts of brain and tried some other methods of 'human' treatment. Now they manipulate genes to go on with their jolly deeds. I wonder where that ends. I suppose I have just qualified for their treatment.
I think you got this all wrong. You should understand what this article really says. Goldfish are martyrs who are not at all selfish (is it fihs after all) and are ready to die for the cause. Dolphins OTOH are filthy, perverted and corrupted creatures that value their lives more than some stupid cause.
If find the article very interesting. Even more so an argument that jumping out of the confinment in no time and dying in a process is a sign of intelligence and not doing so is a sign of dumbness. But I guess this makes goldfish martyrs and dolphines proponents of corrupted western civilisation (maybe dolphins are jewish???).
Well done aljazeera - I wonder why there are any scholars left that do not publish on your site.
Had you had read post to which you answered (by ThePhilips) you would have noticed that the person he was writing about took measures to stop shit happening to his/her machine. Why are you bitching around then? For more extevsive explanation and clarification of current situation please refer to another poster that answered your comments by KagatoLNX.
have you ever been in place where bodybuilders gather like in a gim for instance? I have. There may be some genetic perdisposition to become a grand bodybuilder. Some even work hard. Majority dope. As with other athletes doping is a major factor. In some sports it is more so in some less. Bodybuilding is a master together with cyclling (tour de france anyone?).
All sports are the same. Gosh they even give drugs to horses these days.
What wonders me is that every time something like this comes out there is a lots of noise: 'now we cracked it - it was an easy feat after all and grand master of Canada is just a moron'. Well done. One should go and try oneself - then we will see how easy that really is.
I suppose things are never as simple as (some) scientists let us belive. It is not all pattern searching in chess (or any otherboard game like Baduk etc). It pays off to replay masters games and play a lot. In Chess as well as in Baduk for instance. Athletes do repeat their excercises too to get better so there may be an analogy there. I laugh every time I see scientists clarifying things like chess playing ability. Of course real scientists do not normally do such oversimplifications. Scientific journalists do. It is as well Nature i.e. ability as well as hard work and a bit of luck that makes a master. We knew it all along and now we have a proof.
yes indeed - patent the idea and sue the f.k out of them.
You are right of course - the problem is perception. Only perception of what? Even taking into account an odd moron for whom kiling random people en masse is a way of getting into heaven (with wine and girls) - air travel is still safer than traveling with a car - it is just that perception of loss of lives when one big jumbo crashes is much stronger than it is the case with victims of highway crashes.
Mass transportation is vulnerable not only because there is a whole bunch of idiots with access to explosives (IWATE). Still surge of bike use in London last year was completly unreasonable - chances of being killed in an accident involving cars were much bigger than chances of being killed by said IWATE in the tube (or on the plain for that matter).
- not IT compatible: managers, politicians, mentaly impaired etc i.e people that have others to do their jobs for them.
- tech savvy - they know computer when they see one, they know how to start IE, Outlook, MSWord, Excell and possibly even how to install software. Some of them even know some web basics and some of them even work in IT
:). This category includes also people driving modern cars which are a wonder of IT these days. Plane pilots too as they have a lots of video gaming to do while flying.
- geeks - people that for whatever reason know there are alternatives to predominant office suite/OS, in some rare contexts this may mean that they know how tu install linux etc. They also know that software can be rebooted to make things work better
:).
- emacs fanatics (coders?) - these are the ones that actually know why things do not work
- vi wizards (admins,hackers???) - they know why things do not work and more importantly how to make them work.
In the mind of the common folk two later categories do not really exist as they do not know what emacs/vi are. They call them geeks/hackers depending on weather and if they were mentioned within context of a public prosecution or just general IT. I attached the mentioned categories to certain editors but this is just my view - in reality they are broadly IT: professionals or kids that know things.BTW: being a hacker or admin or experienced user etc does not qualify you to be in any of above categories. The names chosen are arbitrary and serve only as an anchor for each category.
- faultless software policy
- 'no heroes' policy
I am still waiting to see occurance of the first one and chief boss brave enough to properly implement the second even though attempts are constantlly made to down size, off-shore or tell a cleaning lady to do my job while swiping the floors etc. When one thinks of it - it is really a pity that so much effort to produce so many shiny tools and technologies go wasted all the time. I guess somebody makes healthy profit on our stupidity and/or indiferrence because I cannot explain why new ones are coming without a pause.Well it is US that has superior technology whether in space, military or in enhancing body performance with chemicals.
Not that I care. If professional sportsman choses to abuse their body it is their business. I do not watch these events anymore as it just got pointless.
The ideals are all gone in professional flavour of sport. These people are not an example to youngsters anymore. At least I hope ther are not.
but the senseros cleaning person is not as expensive as a person that has to handle money. It is then better to waste your time than invest. Unless it hurts profits it will stay.
The question is however whether it is only impulse that is badly affected. It may be that some customers go some other place because they prefer fast and efficient human service and some other customers (buying one pack of condoms etc) come. Whether the chain will see profits decrease or increase is a bit complicated matter especially as the technology is rather not that advanced yet (to say the least).
of course the best solution to all the problems surrounding new technology would be if we stopped purchasing items difficult to control in these machines. In time we may move into simple artificailly made foods that have neither real nutritional nor taste value and this problem ceases to exist.
heck some of us are already there!
If you stand up and fight you have a chance, if you give up you have lost already.
I am not sure about Canada but I guess this works the same for any big corporation with alot of small customers. When I worked for a big telco in germany we got these propaganda mails most of my collegues filtered out into the junk pot. I read them for personal amusment. In one of those there was an interesting story about blackout of a part of mobile network in service area of a major busniess fair. They were proud of a cunning plan they had come up with to sooth the angry customers. It went like this:
1. if you did not complain you just did not have the service
2. if you complained a little you did not have the servie and you wasted your time
3. if you complained a lot and ask for supervisor you got a voucher for 25euros (or whatever I do not remember).
This allowed me to understand behaviour of my ISP. I complained as long as it took to get my problem solved. At the end I was given the right and they agreed to repay my monthly fee for the period in which I had problems.
It is simple - it is (in majority of cases) not profitable for them to fight you. Even if they wanted to set an example of what they do with malcontents and illiterate morons that just have big time complaining - this would usually be a bad publicity - something that will be directly used by thir competitors.