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I did my myth install on Ubuntu, and I love it. I've tried it with KNoppmyth, and while its super easy there are some features within ubuntu that the knopmyth doesnt offer. You can see my hardware here. You'll see I followed Daniel Hyams how-to for Ubuntu. I like my ubuntu based version, and if what you say is correct, will certainly switch to the Knoppmyth Ubuntu version as soon as its released. I've thought about trying to write an installer for Ubuntu, based on the knoppmyth scripts, but i'd need to get my script skillz up to speed first.

This guy had excellent and accurate analysis of the 2004 election. I hope he starts up again.

Like the GP says, perhaps without the original driving force behind the success, the company will 'turn to crap'. In the case of Microsoft and the ethos behind their market success, that could mean that they'll stop their creativity-stifling, monopolistic business practices.

And then I woke up.

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Pre-N is mainly a marketing game. How many of those in the general public is knowledgeable enough to know what "Pre-N" really means? And who cares when it "is" faster and still compatible with 11b/g?

The only goal of the big boys is to win the largest chunk of the market share - better win today, or else there is no tomorrow.
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Hmm, it is interesting that someone on slashdot thinks truth tables are 'funny'.

I like the way you said that :). Mind if I quote you?

This is offtopic grousing, but I submitted a Slashdot story that was rejected that I think is pretty important, namely that it is now official that Sun hires two of the main open source JRuby developers, Charles Nutter and Thomas Enebo to work fulltime on Ruby for the JVM, and generally improve tools support for dynamic languages.

This might get a lot of people worried ("Get your stinking Java out of my Ruby!" "Get your stinking Ruby out of my Java!", but I think this will benefit both languages, and especially the JVM as a platform.

I use my livecd linux (screenshots below), and lately I have been installing the system on machines allowing booting without a CD, or a boot: prompt, using MSDOS batch files.

I keep Windows 98 on the boxes, sometimes formatting and doing a clean install, but without any internet connection applications (won't be needed, will be going onto the internet using Linux).

Not really necessary to partition the drive for a swap partition, when knoppix boots, it allows creation of a swap folder on hda1.
I have it set for >= 128 MB RAM (minimum).

My blog is here, lately I have been rambling along about this topic.

Some machines can have Windows desktop icons for linux, or the msdos menu. The one I am on now can boot linux into KDE, IceWM, Fluxbox or TWM, all custom configured and set up with Guarddog firewall. The user gets a choice either from the MSDOS menu, or from Windows 98 desktop icons.

Today I have set up a Toshiba 4015CDS laptop to run the livecd linux "off the hard drive", and on that one, there is a simple menu batch file that's run by autoexec.bat, allowing a choice between Linux and Windows. Very nice, using vga=788 in the loadlin command line to get framebuffer 800x600 for the linux desktop.

I got off on this track because some users objected to having to enter a knoppix cheatcode at the boot prompt, and to having to use a CD in the drive to run the system. I don't blame them, they might have to enter something like this each time the system is booted:

boot: fb800x600 knoppix acpi=off myconfig=scan

Some are a lot worse than that.

Those cheatcodes are now contained in the linux.bat that runs loadlin.exe, and the rest of the command line. (command.com limited to 128 characters/spaces)

In some cases, linux boots up to a desktop faster than Windows.

Then they get Mozilla Firefox, Flock or Opera to surf with.

My 150+ KB "Getting Started Guide" is here, does not have anything in it yet about these hard drive "installations". I am thinking about packaging up everything needed, instructions, etc. in the CD. May even write an installer script, to make it automatic. None of this works on XP boxes, but is intended to salvage '98 boxes and have them run Linux. --Rapidweather

It wasn't 2 hours of gay jokes. Yes, there were a lot of gay jokes, yes, but there were plenty of jokes about Trekkies, TJ Hooker, Shatner's singing career, Mel Gibson, and masturbating to that Farrah Fawcett poster. And no, it wasn't all funny (especially whenever Farrah Fawcett opened her mouth -- she's gone and partied herself simple), but I did enjoy it as a whole, and laughed at most of it. If you thought it was so awful, why did you spend two hours watching it?

And I assumed Farrah was there because she is friends with Shatner, but I could be wrong.

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I take it that you have used GameTap then? Is there a problem with the service, and if so, what are your complaints? Or are you just trolling? I've seen the ads on TV for GameTap, and was thinking about checking it out, so I'd like to know if there are compelling reasons to not use it.

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Did anyone catch the roast on Comedy Central? It was hilarious, and even had some music by Warp 11, that Star Trek tribute band that was in the movie Trekkies 2 (great band!). Plus tons of obligatory homosexual jokes because George Takei was there. Funny stuff, check it out if you get a chance.

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This is bullshit.

I don't know how to effectively express my outrage over this action by the US government.

Check out these links for background info;

www.nytimes.com
money.cnn.com
today.reuters.co.uk
www.businessweek.com

So basically we have a UK citizen, operating a UK business (sportingbetplc.com board) who the moment he steps foot into the USA is arrested, not for crimes he committed but for crimes committted by US citizens.

Oh and arrested under ambiguous Louisiana law, that defines all interstate gaming as illegal.

I cant wait for the chairman of the NY Times to be arrested on a visit to China because chinese citizens were reading copies of the NY Times on the internet.

Oh and as for visiting 'unfriendly' countries, how about if Castro started shooting american tourists he found in Cuba for 'crimes of treason' in carrying US dollars in their wallets?

This is insane America. When are you going to wake up and begin to be a good 'world citizen'?

You cant just arrest people for 'crimes against the state' that dont even occur in your country........isn't that what terrorists do? Impose their will against the world at large.

I keep hoping I will wake up and the insanity will end? it's like a bad dream.
It's getting hard to tell who is the bad guys anymore.

http://deancollinsblog.blogspot.com/2006/09/peter- dicks-chairman-of-sportingbet.html

Dean

A little googling turns up the following info:

There's a really good Ars Technica article that breaks down the prices for the xbox360 and ps3.

xbox360: Xenon CPU $106, ATI GPU $141, total mfg cost $525 (the high end model)
ps3: Cell CPU $230, nVidia GPU $70, total mfg cost $800 (remember the debate? I think $350 for the BD-ROM is too high.)

Wii: there's no information out there on what components will cost. But the total price tag will be $250, and an educated guess says that only at most $125 of that can be the Broadway CPU and ATI GPU. Maybe Nintendo will sell the Wii as a loss leader, but they've never done that before.

Now, I'm going to use these specs which are unreliable, but speculation is all there is right now:

Total System Memory: 88 Mb RAM, 512 Mb Flash
Broadway CPU: 729 MHz
ATI GPU: 243 MHz

So the GPU probably has 32 Mb RAM or less. What this means is that it's equivalent to an ATI Radeon 9700, which fetches $30-$50 on eBay.

That leaves at most $95 for the CPU, and as little as $75. That's not a lot of money for a dual-core CPU. IBM's not going to make much money on Wii sales, and neither is Nintendo. On the other hand, Nintendo will probably make a killing when the economies of scale kick in and the prices come down. I could see the GPU dropping to $10, the CPU dropping to $50, etc.

Since this is just my speculating, I'd expect someone will reply with more info.

He lost the vote, and the election was undecided. He is a court-appointed president.

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I wonder if PGP and cryptographic keys are the solution to all the spam, whether e-mail spam or comment spam.

As I see it the question comes down to identity, trust and filtering that is identity based. I discussed and explained the use of PGP for solving the E-Mail Spam problem at BarCamp Boston 2006 with quite positive feedback.

I think it is the same with comment spam. Have everybody create his/her own strong signature and have her/him sign the comment one supplies. O.K., this weeds out anonymous comments, but I don't care. For ease of use, send a signed e-mail to an auto generated address that does incorporate the article-id.

• Signing messages with PGP ensures the message comes from an identifiable person
• I can reliably filter on this identity
• I can use the signature trust to guide my filter
• I make the decision what is spam and what not

Could the spammer create a new key for each message? Yes, he could but it would be quite a computational effort, costs CPU cycles to sign the message and you'd also need to publish your public key so it can be used for verification. In addition the key would be brand new and have no trusted signers.

In the long run I could see the browser incorporate a "sign the message of this field with my signature" feature and we would not need to send an e-mail.

By the way this mechanism is free to everybody. Although commercial entities could buy the signing of their keys from the usual "trusted" entities.

Kind of a long commitment, especially considering that Hawking has ALS and could croak at any time -- the fact that he has been living with a disease that kills 95% of its sufferers within 5 years of diagnosis for 45 years vastly increases the chance of him dying at any moment.

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(since 2003, yes I voted for the retard in 2000)

You Bush apologists crack me up. A damned blowjob does not equal a half trillion dollar war ... Martyr? Maybe in the eyes of the Pat Robertson double-digit IQ brigade

anybody with a moderate level of critical reasoning ability is going to see him as one of the worst presidents in this country's history.

Allow me to quote the bumper sticker: "When Clinton lied, no one died."

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Sudden massive uptrend in CO2? So what? If, as you choose to believe, the uptick in CO2 is purely manmade, and the uptrick in CO2 is purely the cause of global change, then you might have a point. I'm not at all so sure that either are established.

Why should things ALWAYS be the way they are today? It's somewhat interesting as the kind of ultimate in conservatism.

Melting icecaps--well, that doesn't totally jive with actual evidence out there--in fact there's been some recent articles discussing glacial growth.

You seem awfully invested in being sure that EVERYTHING that happens environmentally is a sign of the coming apocalypse that you laid out in your last post--THIS is the reason I have trouble with people that take stands like you, and I don't think the so-called global consensus is anything like you make it out to be. Besides which, since when has "consensus" EVER had anything to do with science? Science isn't a consensus game--we're not talking english lit or such here.

Again, let's talk the 1970s--30 years ago, there was STRONG consensus towards global cooling.

When I read your post I see fear fear fear, in that many words--look back on your posts--they are obsessed with how bad things will be. I don't get it. Things always change.

The poster stated that the ARTICLE was "old news," not the Slashdot post.

A Quote from an article: "The new service will have less sources than Google News, but the earliest news is from "somewhere in the mid-1700s". http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2006/09/google-ne ws-archive-search.html

If it's as good as this, it's gonna be a helluva patent indeed.

Totally by accident, I attended a major Physics conference (in preparation for the CERN LHC/Large Hadron Collider coming online next year, very exciting!) & did some tests with New Mediums : video-podcast, Sony PSP, LiveWebCast over a mobile-blog. This was done with the approval of the Program Chair, who's a young UC Irvine physics professor who understands the value of Technology.

Through a major Physics blog, a USC physics prof (string theorist) mentioned the SUSY '06 conference (4th International Conference on Supersymmetry and the Unification of Fundamental Interactions). I contacted the Program Chair, & he invited me down to do some "New Medium" tests:

http://www.jumplive.com/susy06/index.html

[ incidentally, that USC prof had a meeting last year with other profs to discuss the new "blogging technologies". There is the USC Annenberg Center, which addresses technology & communication. So, USC is "with it" ]

I recorded lectures, plenary-sessions on HD (high definition) video & other video devices (digital cameras w/video capability). I put them up on a video-blog (& its corresponding video-podcast over iTunes Music Store, just do a search on "SUSY")

http://susy06.blogspot.com/

Some of these videos are really LONG, like 240mb. I also delivered them over a Sony PSP (another big-market portable video-player, 12 million out there). Some of the videos were delivered on site, within 15 minutes of taping..near-live as iTunes video-clips. There are some QTVR panoramas of some conference events. There was a LIVE delivery of pics/videos at a Textamerica.com mobile-blog:

http://susy06.textamerica.com/

[ there are some video interviews, & some hi-res pics of talk presenters ]

There were 2 Nobel Laureates in attendance (Burton Richter/Stanford & F. Wilczek/MIT), & many big names from the world of theoretical/experimental particle-physics. Some of them were on that NOVA episode on String Theory (Brian Greene/Columbia host). Being an Elec Eng PhD, it was exciting to experience a technical conference in another field. I was given recognition at the conference, & links from their website here

[ I am currently looking for a business-entity to take my "Proof of Concept", & deliver this to next year's SUSY '07 Conference in Karlsruhe/Germany. And, to ALL technical engineering/science conferences. Please contact me ]

The purpose was like that of my target Market ("Offroad Racing", see http://www.jumplive.com/

"A better informed Public is more likely to appreciate/understand, & therefore publicly fund Science"

Physics (& Science in general), like Offroad Racing, suffers from an image problem. It's a niche-market, & the general public just isn't aware of their "activity/events". As the result, they both suffer from Funding issues (in racing, it's known as "Sponsorship"). Offroad Racing has been termed "Our Little Wonder in the Desert". Similary, Science could be termed "Our Little Wonder in a World of Idiots". You may recall the SSC (Superconducting Super Collider) that was cancelled in the 80's, which was a major blow to US program in particle-physics. There was NOT a public outcry, like you see now of the HST (Hubble Space Telescope) being de-commissioned. If the Public really understood/appreciated particle-physics, perhaps the SSC could have been resurrected. Science really is getting the "shaft" in USA, & I think the Slashdot crowd is concerned about this.

I realized halfway thru my project, that these lectures over video-iPod could have value as a Research Tool. The conference attendees could re-view the lectures, especially the Plenary sessions. I even talked to a Harva

Microsoft just actually released an SP2B for XP. Not SP3, but SP2B reduces the number of updates after the initial install.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82 E16832116059
http://labnol.blogspot.com/2006/07/microsoft-windo ws-xp-sp2b-makes.html

Compiz is still early in development (buggy and hard to install) and undergoing constant changes, but it finally makes Linux look competitive on the desktop. Without Compiz, Linux is the blandest of 3, even though you can easily modify themes, it doesn't help much. With it, it looks better than OS X. It even works on 5 year old video cards (unlike Vista). I hope in 6-12 months, Compiz will be stable enough to be default in major distributions.

Linkz:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compiz
http://www.freedesktop.org/~davidr/xgl-demo1.xvid. avi
http://www.youtube.com/v/DUSn-jBA3CE
http://compiz.blogspot.com/

As the anon coward said, by "NASA's technology" I was referring to aluminum walls, not NASA's technology in general (which includes Transhab). It's really too bad that Congress forced NASA to abandon Transhab, as it could've helped them to construct the International Space Station at a much lower cost, and probably with a larger size.

For any readers who might be unfamiliar with Transhab, there's a rather nice history of the project, and its further development by Bigelow:

A History of the Genesis I Private Space Module

ALL (without exception) predictions in the past have been 100% wrong: over population, over pollution, lack of food and even Global Cooling (!! Remember all the predictions in the 70s and 80s that we were heading into an ice age??) -- all have proven to be completely false.

These aren't really fair comparisons. Overpopulation was a concern, if population growth had continued along trends current at the time. It's still a concern, as someone else pointed out, in areas like India and China where the population is still growing. What came as something of a surprise here was that economic prosperity is the chief indicator of zero population growth.

Over-pollution was indeed a problem. You're probably too young to remember the Cuyahoga River catching fire, and how hazardous it once was to come into contact with the waters of the lower Hudson River. (The river itself was a Superfund site!) It stopped being a problem because we put significant pollution controls in place. Again, had current trends continued the problem would have been serious. It became less so because we did something about it.

There is a food problem in much of the world. Count yourself fortunate that you don't live in a place where this is so. But for unanticipated technological advances in farming, even the US would be a tad hungry right now.

Global cooling theories were creations of the media. They never represented the consensus opinion of climatologists.

The lesson here is not that problems go away on their own, but that we have it in our power to do something about them when they arise. We did it for the ozone layer, which is now recovering thanks to the banning of the substances that were damaging it. If a significant proportion of global warming is in fact anthropogenic, then what you have really shown us here is that not only should we do something about it, but that we probably can.

Two words: natural selection.

Three more words: deal with it.

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Well would there be a story if everything was a-Ok?
Who knows if these 'sources' even exist

Denis the SQL Menace
http://sqlservercode.blogspot.com/

There's lots of good posts. I'm glad we geeks are talking about this important issue.

I spoke briefly with Bev Harris recently. See below.

I'm at work, so I need to make this brief. Just four points.

First, the two pillars of our democracy (United States of America) are private voting and public counting. We adopted the Australian Ballot (aka secret ballot) a while back. Things like electronic voting and forced mail voting (e.g. 100% vote by mail) take away the secret ballot. Here in Washington State, our constitution says we need a secret ballot. Disagree if you want. There's lots of ideas. Like voting receipts and no more secret ballots. But please start by changing our laws. Meanwhile, any attempt to take away the secret ballot (private voting) is unconstitutional.

Second, there is no technical way to have an electronic voting system which both preserves the secret ballot and the public vote count. If the ballots are secret, then there's no verifiability, meaning no public count. If the system is verifiable, then there's no secret ballot. You can have one or the other, but not both. Electronic counting, as with the precinct-based optical scanners, can be done constitutionally.

Third, currently the most reliable way to vote in the USA is to use a voter-correctable precinct-based optical scanner (PBOS). Sorry, I don't have the cites handy (my bad), but dig a little and you can find the research on this. Brennan Center, GAO reports, MIT Voter Project, etc. The basic idea is that you mark a ballot and feed it into a machine. If there's a problem, the machine spits the ballot back out, giving the voter a chance to correct the problem. Yes, these machines need to be better designed, open source, yadda, yadda. But before anyone proposes a better system, please work to understand the best system currently available. (Thank you for your patience.)

Many juridictions have wisely moved away from touchscreens and other DREs and adopted PBOS systems with a low-cost, verifiable solution for disabled voting. TrueVoteCT.org just had a huge win. And Voter Action sued and got the touchscreens in New Mexico replaced with PBOS systems. (Please visit both orgs and give them cash. Activism is not cheap!)

Fourth, and lastly, Bev Harris made an incredibly important point: Our elections have to be understandable for all the voters. Blackbox Voting has spents years digging and researching. I've personally spent 2 years learning all that I can about elections, voting, and these systems. I'm a computer geek and I readily admit that I had to work pretty hard to understand stuff. Bev has a lot of contact with experts, computer scientists, security dudes, etc. Her point is that we cannot rely on those sage gurus to weigh in on our election systems. We all need to understand how our democracy works. Not just the wonks. That means our election and voting systems must be simple and straightforward.

(PS- I saw Bev during King County Washington's "logic and accuracy testing" of our new Diebold AccuVote TSx touchscreens last Tuesday. You can read "Report: Testing of Diebold AccuVote TSx" on my blog, on WashBlog, or on dailyKos. Please holler if anyone has questions. I'll do my best to reply in a timely fashion.)

The cool thing about Rendezvous is that the director just slapped a camera on the side of his car (a V-12 powered Ferrari) and took off through the streets of Paris. No permits, no closed streets, just the real deal -- the near misses are for real. The game video was pretty neat, too!

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http://everydaytechnews.blogspot.com/2006/09/slash dot-podcasts-of-university.html

it would be great if tesseract could augment the gocr-based FuzzyOCR and OCR plugins for SpamAssassin.

The reference to bullying witnesses into perjury has to do with the RIAA's lawyers' conduct in Motown v. Nelson, a Michigan case in which a 15 year old witness testified to conduct by the RIAA's lawyers which might be construed that way. See also my blog post from last year on that subject.

The reason it is critical is, to quote Dave Maynor, "No, normally most Macs come with a built in Airport card, so you really don't have much use for a third party wireless card."

http://briankrebswatch.blogspot.com/2006/09/day-17 -of-brians-watch.html

That is true, but RIAA's lawyers are not suing people for downloading or sharing non-infringing files. They are going after users after verifying that one of their members' works is being copied. I'm not a supporter of RIAA by any means, and I also understand that some lawyers are better and/or more honest than others. But there are many mechanisms to block truly frivolous lawsuits in the early stages of litigation in the American system. See, e.g. Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, Rule 11.

So when they sued that grandmother who didn't own a computer or another one who never used a computer they had verified they had MP3s?

I don't mean to sound bitchy here, but they have gone for the wrong people in the past so I guess you need some more mechanisms there.

I wonder why Schilling doesn't just dual-license?

http://badhardware.blogspot.com/2006/09/amd-50-at- dell-in-2007_04.html

20M processors in Dell's some 40M PCs and servers by the end of 2007 means 50% for AMD. Right?

http://mehmeterturk.blogspot.com/2006/09/xgl-on-li nux.html

Has anyone watched this video? That guy's arms are a bit too bare for my liking.

I reckon he filmed that naked. It's like Reflectoporn all over again...

http://mehmeterturk.blogspot.com/2006/09/xgl-on-li nux.html

You can use Google to google it and you might find something interesting on the Google Research blog.

It is not a hoax: http://googleresearch.blogspot.com/2006/06/interac tive-tv-conference-and-best.html A google researcher and some other guy developed a prototype. However, 1) There's no indication that Google is actually going to use it. 2) While I understand people being nervous of trusting someone else with their microphone, this particular technology is not a privacy threat (unless you want what TV show you're watching to remain private). What it does is create one-way hashes of audio on the client side, and send those to the server, to be matched against a database of TV shows. If it doesn't match, any, there's no way to get any other information out of the hashes. 3) For some people this would be a cool product. It would let them chat in real time with other people watching the same TV show as them. It's also cool in that it would provide real-time ratings for TV shows.

this guy simply recovered all the data that this Adware Browser was supposed to of deleted using simple file recovery software, as this Browzar company is based in the UK you can stop him/his company via your local trading standards and complaining directly to the ASA for false and deceptive advertising

From the blog

In California there was an outrage when it was disclosed that electricity companies had deliberately idled plants while supplies were tight and then waited for prices to skyrocket on the spot market. If the current Internet network infrastructure provided by the backbone providers and Internet service providers can currently support much higher speeds and data quantities to current customers, then is the act of packet filtering and setting arbitrary low speed and data caps also effectively providing an "idled" service?

Is a tiered Internet service, where content providers would be effectively competing on a similar market to the electricity "spot market", a market based entirely on artificial Scarcity?

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/jonestown1.html

"Jones's 912 followers were given a deadly concoction of purple Kool-Aid..."

Wrong; it was Flavor Aid:

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown

According to "The Truth About Jonestown" by Sheila Yohnk, on November 18, 1978, a large vat of grape-flavored Flavor Aid was prepared; the brew included potassium cyanide, Valium, Penegram, and chloral hydrate.

Popular culture references

* The phrase drink the Kool-Aid, meaning "to become a firm believer in something; to accept an argument or philosophy wholeheartedly or blindly",[12] is a product of the Jonestown massacre, despite the fact that the beverage consumed by the Jonestowners was actually Flavor Aid.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flavor_Aid
Around 913 followers of Jim Jones committed cult suicide by drinking cyanide-laced grape Flavor Aid in 1978.

For more see:

http://sparklepony.blogspot.com/2006/01/language-v irus-oh-yeahhh-oh-nooooo_20.html

It's doesn't even matter. (Shameless plug but...) This tells why:

    http://weblands.blogspot.com/2006/08/eulogy-on-dis c.html

I opened the Panasonic up in an attempt to fix it, and found the design used the flimsiest of components. It was a testament to their engineers that they could get even 18 months out of the parts they used. See my blog post for a description of the brilliantly craptactular construction.

When I finally got a replacement, I looked for an older in-production model so I could get some reliability info. I paid a bit more for it (maybe $100). It's built like a tank. The video quality is no better, but it's built to last.

--Pat

I opened the Panasonic up in an attempt to fix it, and found the design used the flimsiest of components. It was a testament to their engineers that they could get even 18 months out of the parts they used. See my blog post for a description of the brilliantly craptactular construction.

When I finally got a replacement, I looked for an older in-production model so I could get some reliability info. I paid a bit more for it (maybe $100). It's built like a tank. The video quality is no better, but it's built to last.

--Pat

Personally, I am not a big fan of football. This could be in part due to the fans, who seems exceptionally boorish and idiotic compared to those of other sports (excepting hockey). If you judge by my in-laws, it looks like a sport that you need a sub-100 IQ and a case of domestic beer to enjoy.

I do like playing the Madden games, and I liked the NFL2K series too -- it's a fun game to play on a console, but I don't really consider it a sport -- the 'athletes' play one game a week, a play typically lasts for 10 seconds or less with a minute or more between plays, most of the players are just pituitary disorders with pads, and NFL games are really just media events, not competitive matches.

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I am not shocked. Of course a company would want to protect its interests, and for Microsoft that means maintaining the status quo of expensive, proprietary software. Naturally, I didn't read the article, but if they used underhanded or even (gasp!) illegal tactics, I wouldn't be surprised. This is Microsoft we're talking about, after all.

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