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The 40th Anniversary of Star Trek

Digitus1337 writes to mention the 40th Anniversary of the original Star Trek series. StarTrek.com's article has a look back at that first episode, and tries to explore the whys behind the popularity that followed it. From the article: "On the evening of the 8th of September, following Daniel Boone, this new NBC show premiered with an episode called 'The Man Trap.' The angle of the story was different, to say the least: It was a love story with a sci-fi twist, borne of a relationship from the doctor's past, featuring a monster that, in the end, just wanted to live. It was moving, tragic and anything but cheesy. The viewers -- at least the ones who were paying attention -- were hooked." Update: 09/09 16:16 GMT by Z : Just to be sure you're aware of it, Slashdot's own CleverNickName is celebrating the 40th anniversary by reviewing episodes of ST:TNG on TVSquad. He begins with "The Naked Now". You know, "You are fully functional, aren't you?"

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  1. Kirk's thoughts,. . . by cashman73 · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's . . . just a . . . TV . . . show!

    1. Re:Kirk's thoughts,. . . by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's my... show... my... show!

    2. Re:Kirk's thoughts,. . . by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Nimoy... can't have... can't have... my PriceLine job.

    3. Re:Kirk's thoughts,. . . by thelost · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's.... Not... Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa an's show!

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    4. Re:Kirk's thoughts,. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  2. Translation Help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    What's the Klingon word for lonely?

    Ghhhaa'rrrdhok!

    1. Re:Translation Help by Apocalypse111 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, according to this site there is no direct translation for the word "lonely".

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    2. Re:Translation Help by nebaz · · Score: 2, Funny

      Speaking of Klingon, I'd be remiss if I didn't replay this classic Onion gem. (Sad, but probably true).

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    3. Re:Translation Help by cyborg_zx · · Score: 1
      Having typed in a bunch of common words like, "die", "good", "today", "is" and getting nothing I'm doubtful of the worth of their database.

      I mean look:

      Database stats: We have 628 words in our database
      Just what the hell *IS* in their database?
    4. Re:Translation Help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      All of them.

    5. Re:Translation Help by phoenix321 · · Score: 1

      Nothing for kill, battle or war either. What is Klingon without these words?

    6. Re:Translation Help by beckerist · · Score: 1

      Well also according to that site the word "hello" doesn't have a translation either!

      The real Klingon translation for "Hello, I am lonely!":

      Yo'thar, mei'nurms pennello pee'krooz!

    7. Re:Translation Help by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2, Funny

      That website's eyes don't open, sails don't unfurl.

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    8. Re:Translation Help by Surt · · Score: 1

      Nothing for kill, battle or war either. What is Klingon without these words?

      Like you need a word for those things in Klingon. They're implied in every context!

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    9. Re:Translation Help by MasterPi · · Score: 2, Informative

      According to the Klingon Dictionary (the only official source, which I of course own), hello does not have a direct translation. The closest thing to a greeting that Klingons use is nuqneH, which actually means "What do you want?". The word "lonely" has no direct translation either, though considering the Klingon culture and psyche, this does not surprising. It is also worth noting that as an adjective, (of which Klingon has none), "lonely" would be expressed as a verb meaning "to be lonely".

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    10. Re:Translation Help by Hotawa+Hawk-eye · · Score: 1
      You're being too general. This article details 15 Eskimo words for "snow", each with a specific connotation.

      Klingon doesn't have a general word for "battle", they have words for:
      • "battle with two combatants, each with a bat'leth"
      • "battle with two combatants, each with a disruptor"
      • "hand-to-hand combat between two combatants"
      • "battle where one combatant uses a bat'leth and the other uses a butter knife"
      • "battle between three people, each of whom is trying to kill the other two"
      • etc.
  3. It has lived long... by The_REAL_DZA · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...and it has prospered. Who could ask for more (besides the fans...)?

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    1. Re:It has lived long... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Who could ask for more?

      Is it so much to ask that B&B be fired for incompetence? But noooooooo. Paramount had to keep them on until the bitter end. :(
    2. Re:It has lived long... by nmb3000 · · Score: 1

      It has lived long...and it has prospered.

      And even after death, it's katra lives on!

      Here's hoping they don't follow Lucas' tracks and ruin the originals; however, this could be pretty nice if done right. A friend and I were talking and thought it would be very cool if for Trouble with Tribbles they insert the DS9 cast into the background so it matches up with the DS9 episode Trials and Tribble-ations (where DS9 cast were superimposed into TOS footage). Very cool, but probably too much to ask :)

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    3. Re:It has lived long... by minus_273 · · Score: 1

      maybe you should look at who was responsible for Dr. Poluski and who got rid of her...

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    4. Re:It has lived long... by idontgno · · Score: 2, Funny

      Just as long as Cyrano Jones doesn't wind up firing first.

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    5. Re:It has lived long... by ari_j · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If Dr. Pulaski were the worst part of Trek (and she's not), that comment would almost make sense. That said, Diana Muldaur (who played the role) appeared in two Original Series episodes, so it's not like she was brought onto TNG just to annoy you. Regardless of your thoughts on her, Dr. Pulaski was only on the show for one season. Compare that with some of the B&B blunders and it really isn't that big of a deal.

    6. Re:It has lived long... by Mattintosh · · Score: 1

      You mean "Gates McFadden" and "Gates McFadden"? She got knocked up and went on maternity leave. She had the baby and came back for season 3.

    7. Re:It has lived long... by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      I think Star Trek: First Contact is the best of the Star Trek movies, and that one had B&B very much involved. Personally, I think they're a scapegoat by the "hard-core" fans... but the first season of Next Generation, it really sucked.

    8. Re:It has lived long... by DragonWriter · · Score: 1
      I think Star Trek: First Contact is the best of the Star Trek movies, and that one had B&B very much involved.
      Really? Well, everyone has their own tastes; personally, I think 2, 3, 4, and 6 are better.
    9. Re:It has lived long... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1
      Personally, I think they're a scapegoat by the "hard-core" fans

      Suuuurrre. Tell you what, go to this page and read up on his reviews of the Enterprise episodes. Then look me straight in the eye and tell me he wasn't right.

      - No story arc planning? Check.
      - Inconsistent characters? Check.
      - No continuity? Check.
      - Obsession with potty humor? Check.
      - Using sex to try to improve ratings? Check.

      Whether you like his opinion or not, every prediction he made based on previous episodes ended up holding true for future episodes.

      Oh, and First Contact was not that great of a movie. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't particularly good either.
    10. Re:It has lived long... by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      God forgive I happen to think that First Contact was a good movie. I forgot that AKAImBatman is the true and ultimate arbiter of all opinions on this forum.

    11. Re:It has lived long... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

      - Distract from a factual point by arguing with the opinion as if it were being forced on you? Check.

    12. Re:It has lived long... by hdw · · Score: 1

      She got knocked up and continued to play, in huge lab coats.
      Then she had a spat with the producers and left.
      But when Pulaski fell down the turbolift shaft they kissed, made up and she was back on. // hdw

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    13. Re:It has lived long... by hdw · · Score: 1

      Why would anyone go to someones page to find out what they think about a movie?

      And it's not down to however I or anyone else agrees with someones review, it's about what we, ourself, think about the movie.

      I for one loved FC, and it's not likely that some 'expert' will have me reverse that.

      hdw

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    14. Re:It has lived long... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1
      Why would anyone go to someones page to find out what they think about a movie?

      Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot.

      Do you know what you're talking about? Because I certainly don't.
    15. Re:It has lived long... by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Pulaski's problem was that she wasn't crankable, unlike Hoshi, Seven, Jadzia, Kira, Ezri, and T'pol, and that only-lives-3-years cutsiepie, at least after she lost the pixie cut, all eminently and endlessly crankable. Hell, even Uhura's thighs got it goin' in the otherwise forgettable journey-to-the-center-of-the-galaxy movie up on that hill in the low light. Pulaski, even way back when when she guest-starred in the original Trek, didn't get the job done. Not that she had to, back then it was Rand or the Kirk BOTW (or, occasionally, the Spock BOTW.) Or Judy on Lost In Space, or Marilyn Munster, or, damn, isn't Lily's top semi-transparent?

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    16. Re:It has lived long... by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > Enterprise episodes
      >
      > - Using sex to try to improve ratings? Check.

      With all due respect, this was hardly the first Trek show to do this. DS9 had no fewer than 2 lesbian saliva-string kisses.

      Quite frankly, Hoshi and T'pol rubbin' each other with oil in the decontamination chamber was a welcome sight. One more season was all it would have taken...I'm sure of it!

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    17. Re:It has lived long... by mfrank · · Score: 1

      Kudos for the L.A. Law reference.

    18. Re:It has lived long... by Randseed · · Score: 1

      It's Pah is strong.

    19. Re:It has lived long... by hdw · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well. you did refer to a review to prove you point.

      As you might remeber, the original post stated that he ranked FC as good.
      You then 'proved' that it wasn't.

      My point was that if I, or anyone else, ranks j.random movie as good, then we do, and we aren't very intrested in someone telling us that we are wrong.

      If you think it's rotten, or ok, or soso, fine, you're free to have your view, but it doesn't mean that you are right and I or anyone else is wrong.
      It just means that we have different opinions, which is quite legal, at least outside China.

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    20. Re:It has lived long... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1
      Well. you did refer to a review to prove you point.

      A review of First Contact? I think not! Pay more attention.

      As you might remeber, the original post stated that he ranked FC as good.

      I "remember" that the poster claimed B&B were being used as scapegoats. His reference to FC was just as offhanded as mine was. i.e. He tried to use it to "prove" that B&B were good writers, and I mentioned that my own opinion of it was fairly low.

      Seriously, I can't believe you're now on your second response and STILL think that I posted a review of First Contact. Get with the program, will you?
    21. Re:It has lived long... by hdw · · Score: 1

      You did refer to a moronic review site, of no value to anyone.

      I have to admit that I didn't bother to read what they reviewed, since I've never bothered to read what other people think about a movie or episode ever.

      What I can't understand is how you can state that someone is wrong in what they like.

      You might state that you don't agree, but you can't state that people are wrong.

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    22. Re:It has lived long... by Badfysh · · Score: 1

      I think that's a great idea, and it would be pretty easy to do as well. All they would have to do is cut in a couple of the more subtle DS9 episode scenes, for example; the scene where Kirk sits on a Tribble and Dax can be seen in the background. That would be a really nice touch.

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    23. Re:It has lived long... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1
      You did refer to a moronic review site, of no value to anyone.

      And you know this because... ???

      I have to admit that I didn't bother to read what they reviewed

      And therefore it must be moronic and of no value. Right.

      (In best McKay, "using power" tone)
      Losing Credibility... Losing Credibility...

      since I've never bothered to read what other people think about a movie or episode ever.

      Except that he made explicit predictions about the series that all held true, documented regular continutiy problems both with the other Star Trek series AND internally to the show, as well as pointed out the sources of their stolen "ideas". But you wouldn't know that, because you weren't paying the slightest bit of attention. You just want to yammer on about how it's all just an opinion, and you're REALLY smart for pointing out something that was never argued in the first place!

      The amazing part is that we're now on your third post, and all you've figured out is that we're not talking about First Contact. The fact that 90% of the post was about disproving that B&B were "scapegoats" has gone entirely over your head.

      Do yourself a favor. Quit while you're behind.
    24. Re:It has lived long... by hdw · · Score: 1

      1. anyone referring to review sites are wrong.
      2. I've never argued for any part of the series, nor movies, I've just stated that I like stuff that your 'sources' state are wrong, I still like stuff and I don't give a fart about your sources.
      3. You've still failed to understand that what is good isn't up to some link to a site of morons, or abusive language. We have noted your opinion, and most likely ignored it.

      And no, I havn't missed the scapegoat parts, I've ignored it because I've have to admit that I didn't think you where smart enough to have a discussion given the post.

      It's possible that I was wrong, can you please state your own opinion, instead of quoting?

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    25. Re:It has lived long... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1
      1. anyone referring to review sites are wrong.

      And that pretty much confirms it. As with most trolls, you speak in absolutes.

      It's possible that I was wrong, can you please state your own opinion, instead of quoting?

      Oh yes, why don't I just nip off and type up a 300 page document that restates everything that was already in the link I linked to, just because a random troll on the Internet states that "review sites are wrong".

      You want "abusive language"? I have not used any yet. I have stated fact to date. Now I will state fact with abusive language as you apparently so desire: You are either a troll or an idiot.

      Happy now?
    26. Re:It has lived long... by rs79 · · Score: 1

      "God forgive I happen to think that First Contact was a good movie."

      Nobody, not even God, is THAT forgiving. It sucked. Badly.

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    27. Re:It has lived long... by hdw · · Score: 1

      Ok, guilty on part one, I blame that it was late. What I meant was that I can't understand why people keep referring to review sites to prove that their opinion is correct and others are wrong.
      The only fact in this area is that it's all about subjective opinion, not fact.
      I claim the right to state that what I consider is a good movie is one that I like, no matter if someone expert has declared that it's rubbish.
      If you prefer to ask someone else for your opinion you are of course free to do so. But that doesn't mean that someone elses opinion is wrong, just that he or she has a different opinion.

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  4. Best captain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The best captain was Picard. Then Janeway, Kirk, Archer and Sisco. In that order.

    1. Re:Best captain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Hurrumphhh!

      Why must you troll? The correct order is: Kirk, Picard, Sisco, Janeway, Archer. That also sums up the order of the shows as well. But I have to say that they should now just let this franchise die and we can all forget about watching it as reruns as kids in the 70's. Dr who on the otherhand...

    2. Re:Best captain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Your top three were respectively French, female and promiscuous. Now imagine all that combined into one captain. Another 40 years guaranteed!

    3. Re:Best captain by hcob$ · · Score: 2, Funny
      Why must you troll? The correct order is: Kirk, Picard, Sisco, Janeway, Archer. That also sums up the order of the shows as well. But I have to say that they should now just let this franchise die and we can all forget about watching it as reruns as kids in the 70's. Dr who on the otherhand...
      SULU, then Archer. Sulu was only a captain for one move and came across better.
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    4. Re:Best captain by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 1

      SULU, then Archer. Sulu was only a captain for one move and came across better.

      Sulu, the fencing botanist? Yes, I was particularly impressed by the dainty way he sipped tea from the fine china set. Were I a starfleet grunt, I'm certain I would follow him into the mess hall at dinner time, cuz the guy clearly knew how to eat. Whether I'd let him lead me into deep space is another story...

    5. Re:Best captain by Apocalypse111 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'd have to put Sisco above Archer, and I'd put Janeway as a very close runner up to Picard. However, I think Janeway's abilities would be better used behind and Admiral's desk, with Chakotay captaining under her. Sisco was kind of average as a captain, he just had some extraordinary people working under him (a Trill, a genetically engineered genious doctor, a pretty good engineer [not Geordi, but what can you do], and later a well cultured Klingon). If anything, his best strength was delegating. Kirk was pretty gung-ho about everything, but fails on several diplomatic points. He's a man of action, but I wouldn't trust him to mediate any talks. Picard was a truely multi-talented individual. Excellent tactical ability (Picard maneuver), diplomatic ability (numerous examples including playing the Arbitor of Succession), historical knowledge (he's an archeologist), scientist (first impulse is almost always to scan and lay low), spying (trip to the Romulan homeworld to find Spock), and many others. He was also surrounded by many very talented people, as was Sisco, but he didn't rely on them as much as the Sisco did. He accomplished so much, and yet rarely had to fire a phaser himself. If this isn't the epitomy of the kinder, gentler Federation of his time, then I don't know what is.

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    6. Re:Best captain by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 1

      SULU, then Archer. Sulu was only a captain for one move and came across better.

      Uh, I believe you meant movie not move . Sulu also appeared as Captain in one episode of Voyager where Tuvok relived something from his past as a young ensign on Sulu's ship.

      Speaking of Sulu, I was able to recently meet George Takei at a SciFi convention and he was extremely nice and friendly. Just a great all around guy.

    7. Re:Best captain by DragonWriter · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Oh since we're going to do this, I'd have to say:

      Captains: Picard > Kirk > Sisco >> Archer > Janeway
      Shows: TOS > TNG > DS9 >> Enterprise >> Voyager

      But, clearly, YMMV.

    8. Re:Best captain by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 3, Informative

      Geneviève Bujold was the first choice to play Nicole Janeway. That's female and French...

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    9. Re:Best captain by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 3, Funny

      Excellent tactical ability (Picard maneuver),

      I didn't realize that pulling down one's uniform jacket when standing up was an indicator of tactical ability!

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    10. Re:Best captain by Apocalypse111 · · Score: 1

      Well if he's showing off the old-man belly, he's not gonna have any luck picking up the hot alien chicks (that is, if Riker doesn't get to them first), so that's tactically sound in my book.

      Oh yeah, and never mind that whole little combat maneuver used during the first encounters with the Ferengi... totally unrelated. :-)

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    11. Re:Best captain by PPGMD · · Score: 1
      I actually liked DS9 the best. IMO it's DS9 then TOS and TNG for a tie in second, followed by Voyager and Enterprise.

      Now who was the better Captain? IMO It's Picard->Sisco->Kirk->Janeway->Archer

      Now I will make some notes, Janeway and Sisco were better administrators then Captains, Sisco is better because I believe be had a better supporting cast to work with him. Kirk is an excellent battle Captain, but he not very good at much else except loving women. Kirk was very head strong, and being subdued by the humanity of McCoy, and the logic of Spock. Picard is the best all round Captain, with Archer, well he might have been good, but crappy staff on the show, and he didn't have enough time or room to develop his character.

    12. Re:Best captain by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Funny
      "Kirk is an excellent battle Captain but he not very good at much else except loving women."

      Geez...what else do you need??

      That pretty much covers the bases for me....

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    13. Re:Best captain by On+Lawn · · Score: 1


      Not only that, doing George Takei impersonations is much more fun that Kirk, Picard or Sisco impersonations.

    14. Re:Best captain by geekoid · · Score: 1

      I try not to remember any episode with the Ferengi....

      Come one, 3 Ferengi in hand to hand defeat a klingon? please.

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    15. Re:Best captain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's all about the neural whip, man! That, and jimmying around like a sewer rat in the throes of a bad acid trip.

    16. Re:Best captain by CommunistHamster · · Score: 1

      Technically, if you remember the episode where Riker falls in love with the genderless alien woman, Riker was used as a kind of metaphor for a homosexual. Sort of.

    17. Re:Best captain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah right, after all the anti Voyager campains. Could you imagine? The "ugly unattractive
      Nicole Janeway." Voyager had enough problems as it was.

    18. Re:Best captain by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      I think he was on crack or something.

      Let's see. Beats the crap out of whoever he fistfights. Beats the crap out of whoever he fights in space battles. All girls fall in love with him and throw themselves at him for tawdry sexual encounters.

      Yeah, not much left. Prolly has a giant shlong, too.

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    19. Re:Best captain by globaljustin · · Score: 1

      mod parent up, this discussion is usually fun, and I like any excuse to have it...

      my list of captains, from best downward

      Picard>Janeway>Archer>Kirk>Sisco

      Someone posted above listing Picard as the best and gave some damn fine reasons so I'll just piggyback on that to save space.

      Janeway is underrated b/c people didn't like Voyager for some reason (really I still don't know why) and that her voice would sound too much like an evil English nanny at times. She was smart (former science officer), battle-tested (all over the delta-quadrant), fair (knew when to overlook infractions), and bold (time travel? hell why not!).

      Archer had all of what made picard good, only less so. He was an ace pilot first and foremost i'd say. Good diplomat. I think Archer gets underrated b/c of how he was acted. Yes I said it, I love Enterprise, but Archer was played just a litte too loopy and silly by Bakula. Take Sam Shephard's version of Yeager and add a college education and that's how I think Archer should act.

      Kirk is overrated b/c he's the first, and b/c the franchise liked to idolize him as a way to promote itself. Period.

      Sisco was of course good all around. I like his command style, but I think what made him special is his quasi-spiritual thing w/ the wormhole aliens.

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    20. Re:Best captain by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, he did hook up with the female president of a planet on that planet where females were the larger of the species, and much to the consternation of the little dandy, the "first man". And a farmer's daughter. And Troi, though she's always been kinda icky to me.

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    21. Re:Best captain by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      Janeway needed to be taken aside and spanked. *Then* she might have made a decent captain.

      Sisko was a mincing pussy. Ever notice the annoying way he strutted around and waved his finger when he was annoyed? Mincing *PUSSY*.

      Picard had too much Frenchman in him to be a *real* starship captain. I spit on your Earl Grey tea. Or in it.

      Archer was a rank beginner, but who can blame him, he was the first... sort of. He did care more about his damn dog than any other consideration including his ship and crew.

      Kirk. Ah well, man of action. Action man. Either way he has to be the most dangerous commanding officer that *anyone* could serve under. Next to George W Bush.

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    22. Re:Best captain by C0R1D4N · · Score: 1

      It's funny most of the people who rank Sisko low can't seem to spell his name right.

      Sisko is by far the most human of Captains. Then again that goes for all of DS9 where the crew was actually about a group of characters rather than "alien of the week" like TOS, TNG and VOY.

      Sisko irradiated a freakin' planet just to piss off the Maquis. http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Solosos_III/

      Sisko>Kirk>Picard>Janeway>Archer (Sorry but I couldn't take Archer seriously having seen Bakula in drag on Quantum Leap)

    23. Re:Best captain by lgw · · Score: 1

      You forgot the most important Kirk-ism: beats the crap out of women! Kirk slugged (or once spanked) more women than I can remember, certainly more than any other character in the Trek universe. Heck, he would kiss a woman just to get in the sucker-punch. Man, I loved TOS.

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    24. Re:Best captain by lgw · · Score: 1

      One thing was for damn sure: with Kirk as captain, you'd never be bored long. *Something* would be fought or fucked (or both!) in short order. The other captains were such wimps.

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    25. Re:Best captain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be honest, Kirk ranks above Picard, but not on the level of Captain - Kirk is certainly the best, but best what is the question.

      William Shatner's lines about it just being a TV show aside, Kirk *is* Shatner. Maybe Shatner is even Kirk - regardless, both are these ridiculous, overblown figures that you can't help but love. And also, at least one of them scored with a green-skinned chick.

      But in terms of mere mortals, the ranking is actually as follows:

      Picard
      Sisco after shaving his head, getting the bad-ass look, and taking lessons on command from Johnny "Nuke 'em" Sheridan
      Janeway
      Sisco before shaving his head, et cetera
      Archer
      Deanna Troi, that one time she wasn't really a captain, but had command of the Enterprise for some reason.

    26. Re:Best captain by smchris · · Score: 1

      I don't even want to read the responses you get because I bet you've stirred a lot of nerd passion. But I'm on your wavelength. Janeway is highly underrated and Sisco is highly overrated.

    27. Re:Best captain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Guys! Stop perpetuating the nerd stereotype! We don't want people to think Slashdot readers are nerds.

      The nerds sit at their computer terminals once again, only this time, they've set them up in the Simpson's living room. Marge idly watches them, then remembers a phone call she has to make. She lifts the handset.

      Marge: [hearing modem noises] Ooh, what's wrong with this phone? it's making crazy noises.
      Nerd 2: [contemptuously] Those "crazy noises" are computer signals.
      Nerd 3: Yeah. Some guys at MIT are sending us reasons why Captain Picard is better than Captain Kirk.
      Nerd 1: Hah! They're outta their minds.

    28. Re:Best captain by mrchaotica · · Score: 1
      Sulu, the fencing botanist? Yes, I was particularly impressed by the dainty way he sipped tea from the fine china set.

      Exactly. It really doesn't take much to beat Archer!

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    29. Re:Best captain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Shows: TOS > TNG > DS9 >> Enterprise >> Voyager

      How about:

      Shows: B5 > TNG > TOS > DS9 > Enterprise > Voyager. :-)

    30. Re:Best captain by pinr · · Score: 1

      Best captain: Evil Kirk

    31. Re:Best captain by hummassa · · Score: 1
      AC:
      Guys! Stop perpetuating the nerd stereotype! We don't want people to think Slashdot readers are nerds.
      yeah, that and the fact that the site has the tagline "news for nerds"...
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    32. Re:Best captain by Mathness · · Score: 1

      I am pretty sure that Sisco wasn't a captain.
      The others were in charge of a spaceship, he was "just" the highest ranking federation officer on a Bajoran (sp? I am no trekkie :p).
      Don't remember anything remarkable about Janeway, but then Voyager was a bad show (and horrible inconsistent, even with its own storyline).

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    33. Re:Best captain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      old-man belly


      Eh? Haven't you seen "Captain's Holiday"? We get to see most of Patrick Stewart's bare torso throughout most of the episode, and he was fit.

      He's pretty hot in bondage in Chain of Command (II) as well.

      Ahh, here we go. Check it out. He has awesome legs, and the girl! (Captain's Holiday).

      Frakes, by comparison, was always basically a jelly-belly.
    34. Re:Best captain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Janeway is underrated b/c people didn't like Voyager for some reason (really I still don't know why) and that her voice would sound too much like an evil English nanny at times.

      Or maybe because she was trying the whole time to be Katherine Hepburn, without any of her wit and charm?

  5. 40 years? Can't be. by OldeTimeGeek · · Score: 1

    Now I really feel old. I remember watching the "New Season" promotional spots and being freaked out by the guy with the silver eyeballs...

    1. Re:40 years? Can't be. by gstoddart · · Score: 1
      Now I really feel old. I remember watching the "New Season" promotional spots and being freaked out by the guy with the silver eyeballs...

      I think your own nick should have prepared you for that eventuality. :-P

      On the bright side, you can say you were there when ... for more than just Trek I should think. =)

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    2. Re:40 years? Can't be. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I remember watching some of the first-run episodes right after my dad bought our first color TV. It was amazing to see Spock's green skin. Then again, all the other actors' skin looked green, too. I tried adjusting the Tint knob, but now everyone's skin looked purple, including Mr. Spock. Further tweaking proved that it was impossible to get actual skin colors on that TV; at best it could be adjusted to show a color that was somehow purple and green at the same time.

    3. Re:40 years? Can't be. by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "I remember watching the "New Season" promotional spots and being freaked out by the guy with the silver eyeballs..."

      I've always wished I could buy some 'mirror' contacts like that...would be cool to freak people out at the beach or pool with them on....

      :-)

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    4. Re:40 years? Can't be. by smchris · · Score: 1

      Yeah. Talk about the Beliot College "You know you are old" list. Not just before DVDs. Before VCRs. It was a whole different world. On a tangental note, I got an Avengers set a few years ago and there was one I know I had never seen. From the liner notes, I could figure it was the Friday night I went on one of my first dates. Freakish. Whole different world with PVRs. A lot of Startrek was also originally aired on Friday evening so if you weren't nerd enough that you actually had someplace to go, you might have missed it. I'm also sure that I watched almost all original broadcasts in black and white on my bedroom 19" vacuum tube set because my parents wouldn't have known what to make of it. Gives you an idea of how ahead of its time the show was.

  6. Wait a minute! by revlayle · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I thought "The Man Trap" was an idiom for "Marriage"

    1. Re:Wait a minute! by michrech · · Score: 1

      I thought "The Man Trap" was an idiom for "Marriage"

      Isn't that what it is? :)

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    2. Re:Wait a minute! by Tackhead · · Score: 1
      > > I thought "The Man Trap" was an idiom for "Marriage"
      > > Isn't that what it is? :)

      Umm, sir? This is a Star Trek thread. Kirk isn't the Admiral you're looking for, even if his fingers always smell like fish. You want that other Admiral whose fingers also smell like fish.

    3. Re:Wait a minute! by michrech · · Score: 1

      Uuummmmmmmm.... what?

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    4. Re:Wait a minute! by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "...and I'd put Janeway as a very close runner up to Picard"

      GAH, Janeway as a horrible character for capt.

      She consistantly does the worse managment techniques you can imagine, and passes up an opportunity to get her People and ship home.

      Lok and Kirk and Picard. The assemble their team, listen to there advice and them try to implement the solution.
      Janeway gets her team together, listens to their advice then ignores them and tells them what to do.
      That is not how you run a ship.
      If you know what you want people to do, you order it.

      The idea of finally putting a woman capt. on the bridge was great, and the actress is also great, but that character was no damn good.

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    5. Re:Wait a minute! by michrech · · Score: 1

      ...and I'd put Janeway as a very close runner up to Picard"

      GAH, Janeway as a horrible character for capt.

      She consistantly does the worse managment techniques you can imagine, and passes up an opportunity to get her People and ship home.

      Lok and Kirk and Picard. The assemble their team, listen to there advice and them try to implement the solution.
      Janeway gets her team together, listens to their advice then ignores them and tells them what to do.
      That is not how you run a ship.
      If you know what you want people to do, you order it.

      The idea of finally putting a woman capt. on the bridge was great, and the actress is also great, but that character was no damn good.


      I think you meant to reply to someone else, however, I thought I'd reply anyway..

      I think you are reading "Janeway" wrong. She passed up opportunity after opportunity to get her crew home faster because it was usually at someone elses expense (and quite against their will). That isn't what the Human Race (in that setting) was supposed to be striving for (and I 'back her' for what she did).

      Besides, there were several times when she said 'fuck it', and went against a Star Fleet regulation here or there. She boarded a Borg Cube and stole a trans-warp device and used it 'till it "burned out" (if I recall correctly), she boarded destroyed borg vessle after destroyed borg vessle to steal corticle nodes (or whatever they were called) to try to "fix" 7 of 9 (only to later end up using the not-quite-fully-assimilated teenager's node). They even used that communication network that belonged to some other race to contact Star Fleet (even sending some sort of "signal" across the network that "shorted" the aliens workstation, thusly preventing him from stopping them from using it).

      Bottom line -- she wasn't the goody-two-shoes you try to paint her to be, not that it all matters because it was FICTION after all. :)

      (Yes, I'm somewhat a geek/nerd/whatever 'cause I vaguely remember all this stuff, but I'm not able to remember specific episode names/numbers, etc. I probably even got some of the info wrong! I do, however, own Season 6, but only because it was given to me as a gift. Yes, I'd buy more (if I could find them), but last I looked they were going for $99, and I refuse to pay that much for them. :) )

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    6. Re:Wait a minute! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a TRAP!

    7. Re:Wait a minute! by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      "Admiral" Kirk's fingers "smell like fish" is a euphamism for his prowess at sexual conquest. Then the poster made a further joke upon this by linking to Admiral Akbar from Star Wars, the fish guy in charge of the rebellion's attack in Return of the Jedi. He's an admiral and a fish, so his "fingers smell like fish", too? Get it?

      It's embarassing you're from Michigan. I hope your ID has nothing to do with U-M.

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    8. Re:Wait a minute! by michrech · · Score: 1

      Not only does my UID have nothing to do with Michigan, I am also *not* from there. I was born in Southern California and currently reside in a sleepy little town in Northern Missouri.

      Nice try, though. Also, his Fish joke still doesn't make any sense, being as I wasn't talking about Kirk (or any other captain, for that matter).

      I say again. Huh?

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  7. Death by Fandom by Bonker · · Score: 1, Funny

    Love story with a sci-fi twist.

    This is why the ultimate downhill slide after TNG ended. Berman and pals were catering to the fans who wanted to know exactly how phasers worked rather than the fans who wanted to see hot Riker/Picard action.

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    1. Re:Death by Fandom by DragonWriter · · Score: 1
      Berman and pals were catering to the fans who wanted to know exactly how phasers worked rather than the fans who wanted to see hot Riker/Picard action.
      No, I don't think so. I'm not the most gearheady of Trek fans, but I certainly had that inclination, and that's not why Voyager (particularly; Enterprise was worse than any non-Voyager Trek series, IMO, but better than Voyager) blew, at least for me. I mean, yes, definitely the characters and relationships were handled far worse than prior series, but its not like there was more of a tech focus.
    2. Re:Death by Fandom by gstoddart · · Score: 1
      Berman and pals were catering to the fans who wanted to know exactly how phasers worked rather than the fans who wanted to see hot Riker/Picard action.

      And, well they should have. Picard is way too cool for the likes of Will "Baggy Eyes" Riker. ;-)

      I'm not sure than man slept at all in the last four seasons. =)

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    3. Re:Death by Fandom by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 1
      ...catering to the fans who wanted to know exactly how phasers worked...

      I'm STILL irritated they never explained how the "Heisenberg Compensators" worked...
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    4. Re:Death by Fandom by DragonWriter · · Score: 4, Funny
      I'm STILL irritated they never explained how the "Heisenberg Compensators" worked...
      An oversight that left fans with too much uncertainty...
    5. Re:Death by Fandom by prgrmr · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm STILL irritated they never explained how the "Heisenberg Compensators" worked

      You can have either the working device or the explanation for how the device works, but not both.

    6. Re:Death by Fandom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've read that they HAVE explained how the Heisenberg Compensators work:

      "How do the Heisenberg Compensators work?"
      "Very well, thank you."

    7. Re:Death by Fandom by Ruff_ilb · · Score: 1

      I'd recommend The Physics of Star Trek (http://www.amazon.com/Physics-Star-Trek-Lawrence- Krauss/dp/B000GG4ZEK/sr=8-1/qid=1157747883/ref=pd_ bbs_1/102-8999321-9911351?ie=UTF8&s=books)

      It's required reading for anyone who ever wondered "Hey, how does THAT work?"

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    8. Re:Death by Fandom by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      They could have at least explained what it compensated *for*. My guess? Poorly-written dialog.

    9. Re:Death by Fandom by SamSim · · Score: 1

      You really want to know why they do this? Because the day it's figured out is the day we will have working, practical, instantaneous teleportation. Sooner or later, all science fiction has to involve fiction of some kind!

    10. Re:Death by Fandom by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Do they have a page that explains jokes to people?

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    11. Re:Death by Fandom by lgw · · Score: 1
      My guess? Poorly-written dialog.
      Clearly not.
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    12. Re:Death by Fandom by Minwee · · Score: 1

      The great thing about Heisenberg Compensators is that you always know exactly what they are, but have no idea of what they do.

    13. Re:Death by Fandom by ultranova · · Score: 1

      I'm STILL irritated they never explained how the "Heisenberg Compensators" worked...

      Simple: the cat is dead but its brains were made into a catgirl android by maniacal Japanese scientists. Take that, Schrödinger !

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  8. I thought the "Managerie" was the pilot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wasnt it the one without Kirk as captain??

    1. Re:I thought the "Managerie" was the pilot? by Bovarchist · · Score: 1

      Menagerie used a lot of footage from the original pilot (which failed), which was called, "The Cage." "Menagerie" used the pretext of a court martial hearing to tell the story and show most of the footage from "The Cage."

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    2. Re:I thought the "Managerie" was the pilot? by MLease · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Cage was supposed to be the pilot, but NBC rejected it. Roddenberry reworked the series, replacing Jeffrey Hunter's Captain Pike with William Shatner's Kirk, and making other cast changes. Once TOS got off the ground, footage from "The Cage" was reused as flashbacks for "The Menagerie", with its plot line of Spock being tried for violating General Order 7, breaking the quarantine of Talos IV. The "trial" turned out to be a sham to keep Kirk busy and to explain to Kirk and Starfleet (in the person of Commodore Mendez, whose physical presence on the Enterprise was an illusion, but who saw the "trial" from Starbase 11) why Pike should be allowed to live out his days on Talos IV. The exception was granted, and everyone lived happily ever after.... :)

      -Mike

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    3. Re:I thought the "Managerie" was the pilot? by matuscak · · Score: 2, Informative

      It was. The network types thought the show was too cerebral for the audience, and didnt like Majel Barrett as a strong second in command character. They ended up asking for a second pilot (unusual) with more emphasis on the action (Wagontrain to the stars was how rodenberry pitched it IIRC). I think I'm ashamed I know this :-)

    4. Re:I thought the "Managerie" was the pilot? by oudzeeman · · Score: 3, Informative

      and the new pilot they shot was called "where no man has gone before" (I think), but they aired "The Man Trap" first.

    5. Re:I thought the "Managerie" was the pilot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure this is true. I seem to recall that Jeffry Hunter's wife was a real ?itch and thought he should only concentrate on movies. The roll was offered to shatner when the series started. Pretty obvious to spot really, look at the small differences throughout the episodes and you can see the Menagerie was filmed way before the Man Trap.

    6. Re:I thought the "Managerie" was the pilot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think wagontrain to the stars was the original Battlestar Galactica IIRC.

    7. Re:I thought the "Managerie" was the pilot? by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      Noticeable again due to the discontinuity of the uniforms in "Where No Man Has Gone Before".

      BTW, there was also the demand upon the second pilot to "get rid of the guy with the ears", which explains why there are no Ferengi.

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    8. Re:I thought the "Managerie" was the pilot? by shoor · · Score: 2, Funny

      I could never say "Battlestar Galactica", it always came out as "Battlestar Ponderosa".

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    9. Re:I thought the "Managerie" was the pilot? by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2, Informative
      Noticeable again due to the discontinuity of the uniforms in "Where No Man Has Gone Before".

      Ah, but did you know that the "Where No Man Has Gone Before" that aired was quite different from the original pilot version? :)
    10. Re:I thought the "Managerie" was the pilot? by dodongo · · Score: 1

      The public library in my town had a version of The Cage on VHS. It used the original B&W footage from the original pilot and interspersed it with the full-color versions used in The Menagerie. What I don't understand is, if the original pilot was shot on color film, why the whole damn thing wasn't in color -- you wouldn't dare copy the color original to a B&W film somehow and then give *that* to the editors to work on, would you?

      Anyway, wandering off topic... But yes, The Cage was the unaired pilot; The Menagerie became the reel that eventually got the series off the drawing board and on to the small screen.

    11. Re:I thought the "Managerie" was the pilot? by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      He was suffering from the "George Reeve" syndrome. George played Superman in the '50's TV show, and Hunter played Jesus in Jesus Christ: Chewin' Bubble Gum, and was having a tough time getting something because he was typecast. Later, he offed himself because of it.

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    12. Re:I thought the "Managerie" was the pilot? by MLease · · Score: 1

      Well, I didn't say anything about why Hunter was replaced; merely that NBC rejected the pilot in which he was Captain. I had heard that Hunter had domestic issues, and they may have contributed to his suicide. It may well have been that Hunter withdrew (or was nagged into withdrawing) after filming the pilot, leading to Shatner's replacing him. And they did re-film and re-dub some of the original Cage footage, using a Hunter lookalike (amongh other things) to make it fit better with the continuity of the revamped TOS.

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    13. Re:I thought the "Managerie" was the pilot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and didnt like Majel Barrett as a strong second in command character.

        I remember an interview with Roddenberry where he talked about that. He was surprised to find that in the screen testing, most of the opposition to a woman as second-in-command came from women. Remarks included "who does she think she is?"

        Man, the world was a strange place back then.

    14. Re:I thought the "Managerie" was the pilot? by kalidasa · · Score: 1

      They had two copies of "The Cage" - the color copy and a black and white proof. They cut up the color copy to make "The Menagerie," and for many years the remaining clips from "The Cage" were presumed lost. They were later recovered, and used on the new DVDs - but the original VHS had the black and white with the color only where it could be taken from "The Menagerie." The second pilot was "Where No Man Has Gone Before," and the first regular episode (by production) was "The Corbomite Maneuver". That's why the crew is so different on those episodes than it is on the more famouse episodes (no McCoy in "Where No Man Has Gone Before," for one thing, though he was present for "The Corbomite Maneuver"). However, for some reason NBC insisted on showing the episodes out of order (sound familiar???) and showed "The Man Trap" first. "The Menagerie" was shown during November sweeps week (like double episodes often were on later Trek series).

  9. attempts to go from movies to TV by 6 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    One interesting way to put Star Trek back into the culture of its time is to watch the movie, "Forbidden Planet" and then Watch the first two, filmed, episodes of Star Trek: "The Cage" ie the original pilot, and , "Where No Man has Gone Before."

    For a similar effect try "2001 a Space Odyssey" and "Space 1999" or "Star Wars" and "Battlestar Galactica".

    1. Re:attempts to go from movies to TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is there a clear Movie-to-TV relationship with these titles? Sure, one can argue that everything influences everything to some degree (butterfly -> hurricane) but for some of your comparisons I just don't see direct connections.

      Forbidden Planet: 1956
      Star Trek: 1966
      10 Years (Relationship? Plaster rocks)

      2001: A Space Odyssey: 1968
      Space: 1999: 1975
      7 Years (Relationship? Shiny white surfaces, trippy plot)

      Star Wars: 1977
      Battlestar Galactica: 1978
      1 Year (Relationship? Dogfights, used universe concept, cornball dialogue)

    2. Re:attempts to go from movies to TV by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Funny

      ... or "Star Wars" and "Battlestar Galactica".

      And Wagon Train.

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    3. Re:attempts to go from movies to TV by Bohnanza · · Score: 1

      Regardless of the ten year gap, Forbidden Planet was one of the chief inspirations for Star Trek.

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    4. Re:attempts to go from movies to TV by Mattintosh · · Score: 1

      Really? I likened it more to Naked Gun In Space. But that's probably because I've never seen Leslie Nielsen in anything else.

    5. Re:attempts to go from movies to TV by decipher_saint · · Score: 1

      Try Naked Space, it will make you cry... (i.e. worse than Airplane II).

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    6. Re:attempts to go from movies to TV by sgt+scrub · · Score: 1

      I loved Space 1999! But then again, I liked all the shows I grew up with: Alfred Hitchcock Presents, Twilight Zone, One Step Beyond, Dark Shadows, Thriller, The Outer Limits, The Addams Family, The Munsters, Star Trek, The Invaders, The Prisoner, The Time Tunnel, Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea, My Favorite Martian, The Avengers, Bewitched, and Wild Wild West.

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    7. Re:attempts to go from movies to TV by despisethesun · · Score: 1

      Leslie Nielsen was actually a fairly serious actor for the first half of his career.

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    8. Re:attempts to go from movies to TV by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      Leslie Nielsen was the captain of the Poseidon in the ORIGINAL "The Poseidon Adventure." I think that's my favorite role of his... all the other stuff is just too goofy.

    9. Re:attempts to go from movies to TV by AJWM · · Score: 1

      watch the movie, "Forbidden Planet" and then Watch the first two, filmed, episodes of Star Trek: "The Cage" ie the original pilot, and , "Where No Man has Gone Before."

      Oh, very much so. Fun drinking game -- watch Forbidden Planet and take a drink for everything that Star Trek later ripped off. For even further inebriation, take a drink for everything any 1960s SF series ripped off from it. (Eg, "Lost In Space"s robot, the Project TicToc facility in "Time Tunnel", etc.) Ah well, as one of my writer friends used to say, if you're gonna steal, steal from the best. (Many of the elements of "Forbidden Planet" were of course stolen from Shakespeare's "The Tempest".)

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    10. Re:attempts to go from movies to TV by shoor · · Score: 2, Informative


      The real predecessors to "Star Trek" were "Space Patrol" and "Tom Corbett, Space Cadet", Saturday morning
      TV series from the 50s. Even before them was one I've never seen (yet, hope to get a chance to watch
      a video to see what it was like some day), "Captain Video". These were done live, and, while necessarily
      crude in many ways, they could hold their own against Star Trek on quite a few counts.

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    11. Re:attempts to go from movies to TV by DJNW · · Score: 1

      and forget-ye-not Land Of The Giants and Lost In Space, too! Woo! Bring on the giant talking carrot!

    12. Re:attempts to go from movies to TV by calidoscope · · Score: 1
      Regardless of the ten year gap, Forbidden Planet was one of the chief inspirations for Star Trek.

      The other being Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea - a ship useful for both waging war and conducting science - having said that, Star Trek aged much better than Voyage.

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    13. Re:attempts to go from movies to TV by jojemi · · Score: 1

      You forgot about Science Fiction Theater

    14. Re:attempts to go from movies to TV by nuzak · · Score: 1

      > Eg, "Lost In Space"s robot

      It wasn't so much ripped off as recycled -- it was the exact same robot, which found its way into yet more series and movies.

      Originality is really overrated -- outside of avant-garde performance art, there really is very little that's new under the sun.

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    15. Re:attempts to go from movies to TV by AJWM · · Score: 1

      Well, yes and no. Robbie the robot -- the actual prop from "Forbidden Planet" (on the left)-- did appear in a couple of "Lost In Space" episodes, but the regular LiS robot of "Danger, Will Robinson!" fame (the one on the right) was a slightly different design and a different prop, with a slightly different personality. Enough similarities though to see the connection, at least until later in the series when the whole thing was becoming more of a comedy.

      And yes, Robbie also appeared in a few other shows.

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  10. Funny Interview with Shatner and Nimoy by blcamp · · Score: 5, Interesting


    SHATNER: Money.

    NIMOY: Yeah. The big, the big bucks.

    SHATNER: Money. The money gets you fired up.

    TOGETHER: The biiiig bucks.

    http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/TV/09/06/star.trek .40/index.html

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    1. Re:Funny Interview with Shatner and Nimoy by pmancini · · Score: 1

      There would be a very fun and interesting rap song to be made from that whole exchange (as i read it from the given link.) I think someone should produce it.

    2. Re:Funny Interview with Shatner and Nimoy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good Lord, that was painful. Are they stoned or something?

  11. on TVLand tonight by peter303 · · Score: 5, Informative

    TVLand is showing four episodes tonight starting a 8PM:
    Man Trap (the first broadcasted )
    City on the Edge of Forever
    Trouble with Tribbles
    Platos Stepchildren

    I think these are ones with new digital F/X, but not sure.

    1. Re:on TVLand tonight by lemur3 · · Score: 1

      I would be happy if I never saw one more tribble.. I'd be even more happy if I did not hear one more tribble joke!

      Is this tribble episode popular because it is so outlandish? (MST3K fodder?)

      It is not a shining example of what Star Trek means to society.... for that The Paradise Syndrome seems an apt choice


      (40 years later it amuses me that most often mentioned episode seems to be the worst, Trouble With Tribbles.. I hope I am not remembered for my worst contributions to the world... )

    2. Re:on TVLand tonight by TheWanderingHermit · · Score: 1

      Notice that TVLand is celebrating the 40th anniversary, while SciFi does not even give it passing notice. That's one reason the only shows I watch on SciFi are Stargates and Galactica. I avoid the network because they've made it clear they don't care about sf, good sf, tv, or anything but quick ratings. While that may be true with most networks, at least many have a clear enough understanding of their material to "indulge" in it, like the goofy way TVLand promotes its own shows (like their TV landmarks they've done of people like Andy Griffith and Bob Newhart). Networks like that at least seem to be run by people that like the content they work with, while Skiffy seems to be run by computers that simply track ratings and don't care about content or fans.

    3. Re:on TVLand tonight by TopShelf · · Score: 1

      Does anyone else find the Star Trek 2.0 on G4 to be horribly done? It looks like a spiffed up version of PointCast...

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    4. Re:on TVLand tonight by querist · · Score: 1

      I'm glad that they are showing "Plato's Stepchildren". That episode made American (and perhaps world) television history with the first inter-racial kiss shown on television(Kirk and Uhura). Shatner was one _lucky_ man. Nichelle Nichols was seriously cute back then.

    5. Re:on TVLand tonight by D-Fens · · Score: 1

      Yes, you are right. On everything except the Spock Market. Gotta check them Spocks...

    6. Re:on TVLand tonight by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 1

      That's one reason the only shows I watch on SciFi are Stargates and Galactica.

      Those are the best, for sure, but you forgot The Doctor.

      "Dead Like Me" is nice. Not SciFi, but nice.

      "Eureka" has potential. They have the TNG techno-babble down and it has a humorous ring to it.

      Most of the rest is rubber-monster and wrasslin' crap

    7. Re:on TVLand tonight by Ogre332 · · Score: 2, Informative

      According to Sci-Fi Wire, those won't start airing until next week: "CBS Paramount Domestic Television will release the digitally remastered episodes of Star Trek for air in syndication on more than 200 broadcast stations, starting Sept. 16."

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    8. Re:on TVLand tonight by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "Nichelle Nichols was seriously cute back then."

      Yeah, but, I saw her on the Shatner roast the other night. She sure did NOT age well...

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    9. Re:on TVLand tonight by TheWanderingHermit · · Score: 1

      You're right. Sometimes something is so obvious that I overlook it. Who could forget The Doctor? But remember, the have no interest in rerunning older stories and the show itself was not a Skiffy "original", it was done by the BBC and picked up later by Skiffy. While, in a sense, that happened with the 1st season of Galactica, Skiffy had ordered the season, so that order was a large part of where the production money came from. "Dead Like Me", as best I know, like "Firefly", has only been shown in re-runs when it was originally produced for another network. Remember, also, that Stargate started on Showtime and moved over to Skiffy after the original contract, along with "The Outer Limits." Don't forget, also, that when they realized Stargate didn't cost as much as Farscape, the killed Farscape in favor of projects like Atlantis.

      I refuse to watch "Eureka." It may be a good show, but I've seen just too many shows start on Skiffy and get a short run, like "The Invisible Man," which I expected to be a complet turkey, but turned out to be an interesting take on an old idea.

      Skiffy is not about originality, imagination, or anything that sf fans like. It's about exploitation in it's lowest form (oh, almost lowest, except for wrestling and wet t-shirts).

      Even NPR had a decent story (with smoe factual errors) on Star Trek today.

    10. Re:on TVLand tonight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      New digital effects???!!!

      Are they going to digitally replace the phasers with walkie-talkies too?

    11. Re:on TVLand tonight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Skiffy is not about originality, imagination, or anything that sf fans like. It's about exploitation in it's lowest form (oh, almost lowest, except for wrestling and wet t-shirts).

      They do show "professional wrestling". Which definitely covers wrestling and probably wet t-shirts too.
  12. Most of TOS can be downloaded from Amazon by ptbarnett · · Score: 1, Informative
    Yes, it's infested with DRM, but both the original series and Enterprise are available:

    Star Trek
    Enterprise

    1. Re:Most of TOS can be downloaded from Amazon by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1

      Ermmmmmmmmm theres also torrents available... Don't think theres any DRM there *whistles quietly*

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    2. Re:Most of TOS can be downloaded from Amazon by PopeZaphod · · Score: 1

      Yeah, if I wanted to run Windows XP and buy a Plays for Sure device, that'd be great.

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    3. Re:Most of TOS can be downloaded from Amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Might as well link to /dev/urandom. What's the point of downloading something that can't be played?

    4. Re:Most of TOS can be downloaded from Amazon by flatt · · Score: 1

      Instead of DRM hell, may I recommend Deep Discount DVD? They have the entire TOS for $138 on DVD. Seriously, that's a lot of tv for the price.

      I have no connection to the company other than purchasing a set myself about a month ago.

  13. Influence on Technology? by Aqua_boy17 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I was thinking about this the other day when I opened my Razr to make a call. And it suddenly occured to me how much my phone reminded me of the old ST communicators especially when I flip it open to make a call. Too bad I don't have the sound effect to go along.

    Now if I could only figure out a way to turn my PDA into a fully functional phaser...

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    1. Re:Influence on Technology? by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 1

      aaaand this surprises you how?

      Motorola had a flip cell phone a decade ago, but GE had the "flip-phone, a brand new phone you can own.", that was obviously modeled after the ST communicator.

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    2. Re:Influence on Technology? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      "Too bad I don't have the sound effect to go along."

      You have the wrong phone. Get a pdaphone!

    3. Re:Influence on Technology? by B11 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, you can get a Star Trek Skin for it, and getting a ringtone to match would be trivial. Of course, what I really want is a bluetooth communicator a la ST:TNG. I'm sure all the ladies would be impressed when I wear that bad boy in public.

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    4. Re:Influence on Technology? by computechnica · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There is a Palm app that turns your PDA into a LCARS interface Tricorder, Includes sound effects and works with newer Palm OS5
      Tricorder v1.0 C

    5. Re:Influence on Technology? by ptbarnett · · Score: 5, Informative
      I was thinking about this the other day when I opened my Razr to make a call. And it suddenly occured to me how much my phone reminded me of the old ST communicators especially when I flip it open to make a call. Too bad I don't have the sound effect to go along.

      On a recent episode of Boston Legal, Denny Crane (portrayed by Shatner) received a text message on a newly-received cell phone, to the amusement of Shore (James Spader). Apparently, Crane had never had a cell phone until his new girlfriend gave him one so she could send him lewd text messages.

      Of course, it was a flip-phone. And when Crane/Shatner opened the phone to read the message, the foley artist inserted the easily recognizable sound of a communicator being opened on the original Star Trek series.

      Earlier this year, The Discovery Channel broadcast a mockumentary entitled: How William Shatner Changed the World. It was a semi-amusing look at the technology (cell phones, computers, etc) that was either predicted by Star Trek or even inspired by it. The "hook" was Shatner projecting his infamous ego throughout the show, taking credit for all of it.

    6. Re:Influence on Technology? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's the same solution to the same problem.
      If there had been no ST the phones would look the same.

      FYI:pre ST there where flip open 'walkie-talkies'

    7. Re:Influence on Technology? by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 1

      Really?

      When is BL coming back?

    8. Re:Influence on Technology? by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      Did you miss the episode of Boston Legal where Denny Crane's girlfriend got him his first cell phone? When he flipped it open, the SFX people inserted that sound effect.

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    9. Re:Influence on Technology? by Wisconsingod · · Score: 1

      The battery life on PDA's is bad enough!

      I don't want to think of the juice drain you'd have with the phaser app.

      If they could only develop PDA batteries with a little more power, we could do something useful... let's see....

      My PDA runs at 3.7 Volts, if energy could flow from the battery to the phaser in 1 microsecond, all I would need is a battery capacity of 328A and ....... add in a flux capacitor ............

    10. Re:Influence on Technology? by gral · · Score: 1

      http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0814142/

      How William Shatner (And Star Trek) Changed the World

      Goes into all the tech that has come from the Star Trek series, and the people that created todays tech.

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    11. Re:Influence on Technology? by monopole · · Score: 1

      In an interview several years back (when the StarTAC was the standard Motorola flip phone) Lenoard Nimoy recounted answering a call on his flip phone, with the guy next to him nearly fainting.

    12. Re:Influence on Technology? by sootman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm still amazed that no one has made a cell phone (officially licensed, etc.) that looks *just* like a communicator and makes that sound when opened. They could even do that shirt badge as a bluetooth thingie.

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    13. Re:Influence on Technology? by spaceyhackerlady · · Score: 1

      I often wonder which was cause and which was effect, since lots of people in the 1960s were influenced by Star Trek and the space program to pursue scientific and technical careers. I know I was.

      I didn't see much of the first season of Star Trek at the time (I was only 5, after all), but I vividly remember the 2nd and 3rd seasons. It was on Thursday night at 8, which was past my bedtime, but my Mom and Dad let me stay up late to watch it. To this day Thursdays are special for me. I saw 2001 at the time too. Yes, I was only 7 in 1968, but, again, my Mom and Dad thought I'd appreciate it. I did.

      Looking back now, some of the episodes hold up well, some must be viewed in the context of the time that made them, and a few are just plain bad. Like all shows, in other words. Other shows of that era don't hold up as well: I remember being fascinated by Lost in Space as a child, but as an adult I'm damned if I can see why.

      Thanks, Gene.

      ...laura

    14. Re:Influence on Technology? by owlnation · · Score: 1
      The "hook" was Shatner projecting his infamous ego throughout the show, taking credit for all of it.
      To be fair to Shatner, he said in a recent Wired interview that he wanted to call the show after Captain Kirk or Star Trek rather than himself, but Paramount wouldn't let him.

      It's here

      Also, there's a another wonderful Star Trek moment in BL. During the fishing trip Allan Shore mentions Klingons in relation to salmon parasites. Crane looks startled and repeats "Klingons" to camera. It's hilarious. I love that show. Shatner's best work so far. (and David E. Kelley's too)
    15. Re:Influence on Technology? by kyouteki · · Score: 1

      As amazingly funny as that show is, when he opened that flip phone and it clicked open with the sound of a TOS communicator, it sent me rolling on the floor and hitting my instant-replay button. Never have I been so glad to own a TiVo.

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    16. Re:Influence on Technology? by freakmn · · Score: 1

      I think if anyone would know, it would be you, Captain.

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    17. Re:Influence on Technology? by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 1

      Well, the "Big Giant Head" himself says "later this month"...

    18. Re:Influence on Technology? by antdude · · Score: 1

      Someone should post that amusing scene on YouTube. :)

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    19. Re:Influence on Technology? by macs4all · · Score: 1

      I heard that communicator sound, too! I thought "What a great, strange loop!". Like at the end of last season's BL, when Denny and Allan are sitting on the balcony, discussing the next season of BL.

    20. Re:Influence on Technology? by GSwarthout · · Score: 3, Funny
      And it suddenly occured to me how much my phone reminded me of the old ST communicators especially when I flip it open to make a call. Too bad I don't have the sound effect to go along.

      Save your "suddenly occured to me" and "too bad I don't have the sound effect" for the non-Slashdot crowd. We know better.

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    21. Re:Influence on Technology? by hdw · · Score: 1

      Well it was title "How 'Techies' changes the world, presented by William Shatner" when aired over here. Just saw it for the second time an hour ago :)
      ('Techies' written over something behind, most likely 'treckies').

      But I'd say that Hammlet showed a lot of distance to himself.

      First showing how various geeks/nerds/scientists/engineers was inspired by Trek to invent stuff, and then admitting that they wheren't that smart, most of the hot stuff was invented to save production money.

      The transporter was 'invented' because they didn't have enough cash to film any shuttle action, and they needed a way to get people down to the planet.

      The handheld 'scanner' part of Bones' medical Tricorder was actually salt dispenser used in an earlier episode.

      'Warp' drive was just a gimmick snatched from popular science and provided a cheap way to travel far and fast.

      I think he actually showed quite a lot of ability to make fun of himself.

      Apart from the program I have to admit that as a long time trecker I giggled a lot when I saw my first Motorola StarTac cell phone, complete with flip action lid :)

      I also admit than when I got my first handsfree kit I hid the mid-cable 'answer' button under my shirt, secured with a TNG combadge. So I could slap the badge and answer the phone :)
      (Modern ones are silly, they all have the button with the mic).

      Did Trek have an influence on technology, well yes.
      Not by showing how something should be done, but by showing how some stuff could be used. Like the Apple dude behind quicktime said on the show, Trek showed how it should be used, it was our problem to figure out how it could be done.

      Go back to -87 and Data is calling up j.random recording of j.random music peice from the computer.
      Then check how many recordings you now have in your local PC/server/Ipod.
      Sure, most people doesn't have a voice interface to it, but it'd be a peanut if anyone wanted. I'd assume that most ./ers would be capable of that.

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    22. Re:Influence on Technology? by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      "A man in England is marketing a cell phone in the shape of a Star Trek communicator. The man says the Star Trek cell phone works great but that it is unable to make contact with women." --Conan O'Brien

  14. All a-board. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A good book to read.

    "Boarding the enterprise: transporters, tribbles, and the vulcan death grip in Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek ISBN: 978-1-932100-87-7"

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  15. My Thoughts: "Star Trek" Follow-ons Are Travesty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny
    None of the later versions of "Star Trek" capture the spirit of the original "Star Trek".

    Below are the characteristics of each TV series based on "Star Trek".

    1. Original Series: brash captain, hot-looking women, dangerous adventures in a ship designed for living but not for tourism

    2. The Next Generation: refined captain who talks like an English professor, women who emphasize their intellect, adventures in a ship designed like a luxury hotel

    3. Deep Space Nine: captain who talks like a high-school dropout, women who emphasize their intellect, adventures in a space hotel

    4. Voyager: captain who emphasizes her intellect, women who emphasize their intellect, dangerous adventures in a ship designed like a luxury hotel

    5. Enterprise: captain played by an actor who cannot act, women who emphasize their intellect, dangerous adventures in a ship run by characters played by actors and actresses who cannot act

    Thank Buddha that your local CW television station will air the original "Star Trek", starting on September 16.

    "Watch 'The Original Series', you will!" exclaims Yoda.

  16. The Downside... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    So many good Star Trek books are coming out, so little time. Wouldn't be too bad if the Temporal Authority didn't take away my time machine.

    1. Re:The Downside... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      time machine don't let you live longer, just in different periods.

      also, ST books suck.

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    2. Re:The Downside... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      also, ST books suck.

      Try reading Star Trek: Tha Magna where an alien gives Captain Kirk an ancient Earth gesture called the finger. :P

    3. Re:The Downside... by AJWM · · Score: 1

      good Star Trek books

      Isn't that an oxymoron?

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    4. Re:The Downside... by mfrank · · Score: 1

      Some of them don't suck. I can't remember the name, but I liked the short story loosely based on "Mirror Mirror", but instead of Kirk, McCoy, and Spock going to the Mirror universe, they change places with Shatner, Nimoy, and Kelly on the set of "Star Trek".

  17. Captains log by gravy.jones · · Score: 0

    My DVR is currently trained to record all Star Trek and STNG shows. It's a blast scrolling through them and picking one to watch. I was hooked in 1976.

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    1. Re:Captains log by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      My DVR is currently trained to record all Star Trek and STNG shows. It's a blast scrolling through them and picking one to watch. I was hooked in 1976.

      I'd like to tell my DVR to stop recording them as suggestions without lying to it that I hate it. I already have all the series and movies preloaded into my DVD changer (except TAS on preorder and one TNG disc that was missing from the package) in rough order. I'd rather the DVR use the free space for something new.

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    2. Re:Captains log by LordKronos · · Score: 1

      I'd like to tell my DVR to stop recording them as suggestions without lying to it that I hate it

      That's one of the things I really hate about tivo. Why is it that they can only keep a recording history for 28 days? I mean seriously, even if the tivo stores the entire name, episode, description, original airdate, etc, it couldn't take more than a couple of K per episode (even without compression). If you recorded 48 shows a day for the next 10 years, thats only gonna take up a few hundred megs of hard drive space.

      As it is now, its a real pain to discover you like a show a couple of years into it, and then try to pickup all of the reruns without having to see them a couple times. Some shows (like CSI...I didn't catch onto that one until a year ago) have a lot of episodes with very similar beginnings. Sometimes I'd watch an episode for 15 minutes before remembering "oh yeah, I did see this one".

      That's one of the things MythTV does much better. If only my hardware/software combination were much more stable, I could ditch tivo for good. As it is now, they have to coexist so that I don't lose a program when it occasionally locks up recording.

    3. Re:Captains log by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      Why is it that they can only keep a recording history for 28 days?

      Unfortunately, the only workaround for it is to keep the recording (or a partial of it) marked KUID. It's also useful for Wishlists that get certain false positives. For example, if you have a Title Wishlist for "MISSION IMPOSSIBLE" but are looking for episodes of the two TV series (Briggs and Phelps, and the one with Cinnamon leading the team without them) and don't want the movies, keep some partial recordings of each movie marked Keep Until I Delete in your Now Playing. It won't pick them up again until you delete them manually.

      A couple interrupted TiVoToGo/ComeBack transfers can aid in the making of small placeholder partials out of unwanted recordings, though they might not group together into a series folder anymore.

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    4. Re:Captains log by Damvan · · Score: 1

      I agree. I want my tivo to stop recording Star Trek as suggestions, seen them all numerous times. But if I give it a thumbs down, it assumes I am giving a thumbs down to the genre Sci-Fi it addition to Star Trek, which I don't want.

  18. Forgotten Trek by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

    You forgot the animated series.

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    1. Re:Forgotten Trek by hcob$ · · Score: 2, Funny
      You forgot the animated series.
      For good reason....

      I file it right alongside Highlander 2.
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  19. Another kick... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...and the guy who originally cancelled the series in the 60's,

    kicks himself, *again*.

  20. Lubbock Texas didn't carry the first season by Jimhotep · · Score: 1

    I lived near Lubbock Texas. The local station didn't carry the first season of Star Trek. The second season was rebroadcast the following Saturday afternoon.

    They did carry the third season in prime time.

    Not sure why.

  21. Cosmos, you're On Notice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > It stood outside of time, as it tapped into universal themes and epic struggles, and put the cosmos on notice.

    Way to go, Star Trek. You've put us all On Notice. Let's hope Steve Colbert can forgive us, eventually.

  22. Not the first episode by Z1NG · · Score: 0

    It was actually the sixth episode, it was just the first one aired.

  23. Re:My Thoughts: "Star Trek" Follow-ons Are Travest by Damastus+the+WizLiz · · Score: 3, Funny

    3. Deep Space Nine: captain who talks like a high-school dropout, women who emphasize their intellect, adventures in a space hotel I disagree, he enunciated every word like an oxford drop out.

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  24. Reason by zymano · · Score: 1

    1. Directing.
    2. Writing.
    3. Intro/Score.

    1. Re:Reason by zymano · · Score: 1

      + Good acting - Some would say over the top. But I liked it.

  25. Comedy Central Roast of William Shatner by couch_potato · · Score: 1

    Did anyone catch the roast on Comedy Central? It was hilarious, and even had some music by Warp 11, that Star Trek tribute band that was in the movie Trekkies 2 (great band!). Plus tons of obligatory homosexual jokes because George Takei was there. Funny stuff, check it out if you get a chance.

    Cool links.

    1. Re:Comedy Central Roast of William Shatner by dr_dank · · Score: 1

      Plus tons of obligatory homosexual jokes because George Takei was there

      Oh my!

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    2. Re:Comedy Central Roast of William Shatner by admiralh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hilarious?

      Perhaps if you enjoy 2 hours of homosexual jokes from C-list comedians.

      At what the heck was Farrah Fawcett doing there? I checked IMDB. She had never worked with Shatner before.

      I think a lot of the reaction clips (the laughs from the audience and the roasters/roastee) were cut in from other times in the show, because so much of it was so unfunny. They certainly seemed uneven to me.

      Shatner should have taken Nimoy's advice -- Don't do it.

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    3. Re:Comedy Central Roast of William Shatner by couch_potato · · Score: 1

      It wasn't 2 hours of gay jokes. Yes, there were a lot of gay jokes, yes, but there were plenty of jokes about Trekkies, TJ Hooker, Shatner's singing career, Mel Gibson, and masturbating to that Farrah Fawcett poster. And no, it wasn't all funny (especially whenever Farrah Fawcett opened her mouth -- she's gone and partied herself simple), but I did enjoy it as a whole, and laughed at most of it. If you thought it was so awful, why did you spend two hours watching it?

      And I assumed Farrah was there because she is friends with Shatner, but I could be wrong.

      Cool links.

    4. Re:Comedy Central Roast of William Shatner by admiralh · · Score: 1

      I stayed because I was hoping that *somebody* would be funny at some point during the show. I was wrong.

      And I did leave temporarily when Andy Dick started his riff on Kirk/Spock stories. And while mentioning the masturbating to Farrah's poster was funny the first time, by the sixth time not so much. And that was the *other* thing. They were supposed to be roasting *Shatner*, not each other. I couldn't have cared less about that woman comedian, yet they seemed to all have an insult for her.

      There were a few funny bits. The comedian (can't recall his name) who essentially invented the Shatner dramatic pause impersonation should have been on much longer (his routine was definitely cut). Betty White was OK but not great. Fred Willard the same. The others, especialy the drunk from Stern's show and Andy Dick, needed to be put out of my misery.

      And while there were other types of jokes (Shatner's singing montage was the best), the gay jokes just totally overwhelmed everything else. Sadly, that's the lasting impression I have from the show, that it *was* 2 hours of gay jokes.

      I think they failed to realize that the audience for this show would be quite different from most of their roasts (the influx of trekkies of many ages), and assumed the type of jokes that work for the people who watch Jackass, Crank Yankers, and Mind of Mencia would also work for this audience.

      And every review I'm seen of it from Star Trek centric POV's thought it was terrible.

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    5. Re:Comedy Central Roast of William Shatner by owlnation · · Score: 1
      Perhaps if you enjoy 2 hours of homosexual jokes from C-list comedians.
      Absolutely. It was one of the worst shows I've seen in a while. I too wondered what Fawcett was doing there - um, well what remained of her body was there, her mind, if she ever had one, was long gone. Could be that a production assistant screwed up and thought she and Heather Locklear were one and the same - an understandable error.

      But, yes... the show was 75% of the time about the dire unfunny comedians doing the roasting and 22% about gay George Takei. The other 3% was Shatner bashing.

      Betty White was good, but otherwise best avoided by any Shatner fans, or comedy fans generally for that matter...
    6. Re:Comedy Central Roast of William Shatner by Tibor+the+Hun · · Score: 1

      Right on, chief.
      And they seemed to be roasting themselves, mostly. Nobody said much about Shatner.
      Infact, the only funny bit was the Shatner at the last 10 minutes chewing them out. He had better jokes than they did.
      What a waste of time...

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  26. of its time .. by rs232 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It was the ideal the show tried to put across. The idea of all the various ethnic groups working and living together as they brought peace and justice to the far flung corners of the Galaxy. Remember this was also the first inter-racial kiss on US television, Uhura and Kirk. Although they were under alien mind control at the time and the camera actually never registered the event. That episode was never shown in the South of course.

    With hindsight the characters were a bit steriotypical. Scotty the Scotish engineer (what else). Nurse Christine Chapel and Spock as the token Alien.

    And right in the middle of the cold war, there on the bridge was Sulu and Chekov, possibly the only Russian sounding name the viewer would be familiar with. Better that Svyatoslav Likhovtseva or that other guy perry stroika.

    Ignoring the cardboard sets and the fact that all the alien planets looked the same it did make a huge impact. A number of scientists say they took their inspiration from it.

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    1. Re:of its time .. by OwnedByTwoCats · · Score: 1

      Chekov didn't appear until the second season.

    2. Re:of its time .. by tm2b · · Score: 1

      [Star Trek geek alert] A little bit of trivia: Chekov (and Walter Koenig) didn't appear on the screen until the second season, but the character was on board. We know this because Khan recognized Chekov in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan - and "Star Seed" (TOS episode Khan appeared in) was a first season episode.

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    3. Re:of its time .. by njh · · Score: 1

      With hindsight the characters were a bit steriotypical. Scotty the Scotish engineer (what else). Nurse Christine Chapel and Spock as the token Alien.

      Or are they stereotypical _because_ they were on Star Trek?

    4. Re:of its time .. by Minwee · · Score: 1

      More than that it was the first TV series to show black people in the future. While watching everything before Star Trek you really had to wonder what happened to them all in the future.

    5. Re:of its time .. by bckrispi · · Score: 1
      and "Star Seed" (TOS episode Khan appeared in) was a first season episode.
      The episode was entitled 'Space Seed'. Turn in your Spock ears and Lightsaber at the door. :P
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    6. Re:of its time .. by tm2b · · Score: 1

      Oy. You're right, of course.

      In my defense, I googled "'Star Seed' Khan" first because it didn't ring quite right and got a couple hundred hits.

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      "It is our blasphemy which has made us great, and will sustain us, and which the gods secretly admire in us." - Zelazny
  27. bad joke... by micromuncher · · Score: 1

    Why are there no arabs on the enterprise?

    Gene was asked that question... $1 in goodwill to the first person that knows his response.

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    1. Re:bad joke... by oxymor00n · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Why are there no arabs on the enterprise?
      Gene was asked that question... $1 in goodwill to the first person that knows his response.

      I thought it was George W. who was asked this. And he responded "because it plays in the future"

    2. Re:bad joke... by butterwise · · Score: 0

      Didn't Roddenberry supposedly model the Klingons after Arabs?

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    3. Re:bad joke... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Weren't they the first group taken out during the Eugenics War? You know that whole Khan thing?

      I think I remember seeing a Sikh in that episode, though, but no arabs.

    4. Re:bad joke... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because it's in the future?

    5. Re:bad joke... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If George W Bush was asked that, he'd respond "Because it takes place in the future!"

      On a side-note, wasn't the doctor on DS9 of arab descent?

    6. Re:bad joke... by The_REAL_DZA · · Score: 1

      Didn't his father mention being from Calcutta? I'm not the geography whiz my wife is, but even I know Calcutta's in India (especially after checking just before sending this message...)

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    7. Re:bad joke... by FinchWorld · · Score: 1

      Unless Im mis-understanding you, the joke is there can't be arabs on it in the future because Bush is wipeing them out or similar. I believe its an attempt at rapier wit by someone who doesn't understand what a rapier is.

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    8. Re:bad joke... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He didn't want the ship exploding

    9. Re:bad joke... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Didn't he roll up Arab caricatures into the Klingons?
      Not as PC as he'd like to be remembered?

    10. Re:bad joke... by drewzhrodague · · Score: 1

      Brashear sounds like a Brittish name. I would expect that the good doctor may be from Calcuta (if that is the case), they definately went to great lengths to give him the Brittish name and accent.

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    11. Re:bad joke... by youngerpants · · Score: 1

      Jean-Luc is a french name

    12. Re:bad joke... by Randseed · · Score: 1

      ...Because I assume that they were part of the Eastern Coalition and Cochrane bombed them from orbit.

    13. Re:bad joke... by tm2b · · Score: 1

      OK, I'll bite: what was his response?

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    14. Re:bad joke... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well the ACTOR is half Brit, half Sudanese.

      Not sure about the character.

    15. Re:bad joke... by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      First of all, the character's name is Bashir, not "Brashear." Second, the actor's (original) name was Siddig El Fadil -- he's from Sudan.

      Third (and most intersting), the second link on Google (after the one to StarTrek.com), is the Wikipedia entry for Omar al-Bashir, the President of Sudan since 1993. Maybe he's the inspiration for the name of the character?

      Oh, by the way: Siddig has a British accent because he grew up in England. So really, the producers of Star Trek didn't do anything -- the name and the accent came with the actor.

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    16. Re:bad joke... by micromuncher · · Score: 1

      The answer was... "Because its the future."

      I don't believe it was really G.R.; I heard this shortly after 9/11. Which is... tomorrow.

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  28. time sure flies... by the_greywolf · · Score: 1

    i still have my 25th anniversary Star Trek fan membership card and fondly remember the 25th anniversary NES game.

    God, i feel old. and i'm only 24.

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    1. Re:time sure flies... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I played that game for hours and never did figure out what was going on. Felt like the show sometimes...

  29. Anniversary hijinx by DaveM753 · · Score: 1

    Let's all celebrate by getting drunk and harassing Klingons!

  30. To Serve All My Days by xleeko · · Score: 3, Informative

    The Star Trek New Voyages folks are using this anniversary for the premiere of their latest episode "To Serve All My Days". It was written by DC Fontana and guest stars Walter Koeinig. Check out all of the episodes and shorts do far at: http://www.startreknewvoyages.com/

    Cheers, Xleeko

  31. Sulu's Thoughts... by pulse2600 · · Score: 1

    ..."I don't think you are really Ricardo Montalban..."

    1. Re:Sulu's Thoughts... by SonicBurst · · Score: 1

      That bit was too funny. What was his dog's name in that...Rene Blanche or something like that...classic.

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    2. Re:Sulu's Thoughts... by pulse2600 · · Score: 1

      "La Rene Blanche...The White Queen..."

  32. Discovery Channel had a special about this by Jess+(geek-chick) · · Score: 1

    Called How William Shatner Changed the World.

    Another page goes into some detail about the show, and lists the next airing (in the US). November 13 at 8pm ET

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  33. Not to mention... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was moving, tragic and anything but cheesy.

    Not to mention it made me wet my pants. I still have nitemares about that lady, especially as my wife likes to mess with my head and will grab my face with her fingertips in the middle of the night...

  34. Thanks For Reminding Me !!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks for reminding me that I'll be 40 next year !

  35. Obligatory Howard... by pulse2600 · · Score: 1

    Sung to the tune of "Saftey Dance", George Takei's words are in italics, as spoken by himself.
    "S-U-L-U Sulu DANCE!"
    You can dance like Sulu hello
    And shake your little behind yes
    You've gotta give it a chance when you do the sulu and dance and you're friends will say oh my
    I say, jump around if you want to and move your arms like a machine yes
    If you do the sulu dance while wearing tight pants some people may call you a queen
    The sulu dance! Sulu! Sulu! Just fine! Sulu! Sulu! Now that's ridiculous!
    Sulu dance is fun to do, well
    but you're girl may get jealous no
    cause if you abuse you'll girl will lose it and run up and say who is this?
    ahhh, you can dance like sulu you know
    but some may choose to not no
    you gotta give it a chance when you do the sulu dance and you'll girl will give up the balloon knot

    1. Re:Obligatory Howard... by Randseed · · Score: 1

      Bawahaha. Where is that host Kidd Chris these days?

  36. Re:1966 Texas ... Not Very Tollerant by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 1, Funny

    We are aware of society's problems. We just don't care.

    If we eliminate the other side of an issue, the issue is fixed.

    WE ARE THE GOP. YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED. (or eliminated)

  37. Re:1966 Texas ... Not Very Tollerant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would Republican-ville care about a show that promoted awareness of society's problems?

    Texas has traditionally elected more Democrats than Republicans to state offices. Only recently have Republicans won a majority.

    Why would they want to watch some show that promoted equality among races, sex & aliens in 1966 Texas?

    It was also one of the first states to elect African Americans and women to elected office.

    Texas has had it's share of idiots and people who do bad things, but there are a lot of people who live there (over 22 million), so its not shocking that a few percent are idiots. Texas also has a large number of military institutions, and the military was WAY ahead of the rest of the population when it came to racial integration. Perfect? Of course not, but do your homework.

    Hey, you don't like Texas, fine, don't visit or move there. But get your facts straight. It's like listening to Microsoft talk about why Linux is more expensive than Windows.

  38. Never was a fan by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I always hated Star Trek. It creates such an unbelievable vision of the future. Everything is so pristine, but you never the the laborers or even robots to keep it that way. Even the actors (in the Next Generation and later) were stiff and spoke perfect emotionless english. Just a bunch of cold automatons moving through pristine sci-fi sets.

    Contrast that with the original Star Wars trilogy. Everything is dirty, weathered and worn. The banter added to the credibility of the characters. Humans aren't living in some utopian vision with just the occassional evil alien to battle. I had the Star Wars RPG as a kid and their description of the Star Wars feel nailed it. Lucas' characters felt like they actually lived in their world. They weren't impressed with their own technology. I remember after the first shot of the Millenium Falcon (which is amazing to the movie viewer), Luke calls it a piece of junk. It's a small remark, but it tells you a hell of a lot about the setting the writer is trying to present.

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    1. Re:Never was a fan by jac1962 · · Score: 1

      Everything is dirty, weathered and worn.

      Yeah - just like 1970's America.

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    2. Re:Never was a fan by Animats · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Lucas isn't responsible for the "grubby future" concept. That was introduced in 1972, in Doug Trumbell's Silent Running. Although it wasn't a hugely popular movie, it introduced many of the background concepts seen in later SF films. It's worth seeing today; it looks less dated than Star Trek movies made after it.

    3. Re:Never was a fan by PCM2 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I always hated Star Trek. It creates such an unbelievable vision of the future. Everything is so pristine, but you never the the laborers or even robots to keep it that way... Contrast that with the original Star Wars trilogy. Everything is dirty, weathered and worn.

      In the original show you see the support crew a couple times, in early episodes. Maintenance men don't typically make for great drama. And to be fair, the Enterprise is a military ship. Go tour a Navy aircraft carrier sometime and you'll probably find it's pretty clean and everybody's pretty well-behaved when they're on duty, because that's how you run a military. The inside of the Death Star was pretty clean too. It was just Tatooine that looked like a 70s party town. It sounds like you just prefer the aesthetic of Star Wars, but come on ... do you think the Millennium Falcon would really look like it did, if it was designed to take off and land through planetary atmospheres? All those little panels and radars and things would fly right off. Look at the troubles the space shuttle has just putting a little paint and insulation on its fuel tank. Star Wars looks cool but that's not the same thing as being "more realistic."

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    4. Re:Never was a fan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ever watch Deep Space Nine? From what you've just said, you might find it more to your liking. Not to mention that its the best of the franchise (IMHO, at least).

    5. Re:Never was a fan by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      Silent Running wasn't exactly grubby... but it was more "real." On a continuum, you might see:

      Grubby Clean
      Star Wars - Silent Running - Star Trek

      Or something. I'm sure that'll look like total ass when hit submit. Why they set the editor field to monospaced, and the actual site to variable width, I'll never figure out.

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    6. Re:Never was a fan by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1
      It creates such an unbelievable vision of the future. Everything is so pristine, ... Contrast that with the original Star Wars trilogy. Everything is dirty, weathered and worn.

      Or something like Farscape and Firefly. The universe is a dirty place.

      As for me, I liked all three. Though I agree with the "pristine" commentary about ST (et al). In the end, I liked the oringial ST better than the subsequent series.

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    7. Re:Never was a fan by monopole · · Score: 1

      Working off of past history (which is actually overly static in rate of change) and extrapolating 200-300 years in the future, the Star Trek universe is probably far too dirty and run down in comparison. While we tend to idolize the past, and look back to a golden age, the lot of the common man has never been beter. If you were to pluck a common man from revolutionary war period and drop him in a US city, it would be incomprehensibly clean and peaceful. The technology, healthcare and standard of living for the common man in this era would easily exceed what a king could only dream of.

      On the other hand, i've never found lasers that go out and stop at 1 meter and clank when you hit them together to be very realistic, or swpace craft what make banking turns in space for that matter.

    8. Re:Never was a fan by Who235 · · Score: 1
      . . .do you think the Millennium Falcon would really look like it did, if it was designed to take off and land through planetary atmospheres? All those little panels and radars and things would fly right off. Look at the troubles the space shuttle has just putting a little paint and insulation on its fuel tank.


      Well, the Millenium Falcon had deflector shields and our space shuttles do not (yet).

      That being said, your points about the military nature of the Enterprise, and the dramatic effects of maintenance personnel were good ones.

      Anyway, Star Trek and Star Wars cannot be compared in any real and meaningful way anymore than you could compare The Outer Limits with Bonanza. Sorry folks, but just because something takes place in space doesn't make it SF.
    9. Re:Never was a fan by hdw · · Score: 1

      I always hated Star Trek. It creates such an unbelievable vision of the future. Everything is so pristine, but you never the the laborers or even robots to keep it that way. Even the actors (in the Next Generation and later) were stiff and spoke perfect emotionless english. Just a bunch of cold automatons moving through pristine sci-fi sets.
      Even if I agree to a point I think one has to look a bit further.
      If we don't solve the big issues, one way or another, we won't reach 24th century. As a matter of fact TNG's first episodes did include reference to WW-III and a nuclear holocaust, as did First Contact.
      And as someone else stated, the people onboard the Enterprise are working onboard a Navy or at least pseudo military ship. They do encounter other people, with rouges, mad scientists, thieves, thugs, religious zealots and you name it.

      And when it comes to language one has to accept that their using a 'standard' language, but most people on board aren't.
      I've worked for a multinational for many years and I've noticed that all the native english/american speaking individuals tend to pay more attention to their language when there's non-natives in the group. They're a hell of a lot funnier when drunk at 2 am but tend to limit their accents when sober.

      If you where leading a staff meeting where your staff was american, english, irish, german, spanish, italian, swedish, australian, french, austrian, indian and dutch, many of 'em using their second or third language, wouldn't you mind your language?

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    10. Re:Never was a fan by EsonLinji · · Score: 1

      This is actually part of why I like Star Trek. Rather than a world where things were better in days gone by (Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, Battlestar Galactica, Andromeda, etc), Star Trek is set in the good times. It was showing that people could keep on improving and making things better. This optimism about society is one of Star Trek's strongest points.

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    11. Re:Never was a fan by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Sounds to me like you should watch Deep Space Nine.

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    12. Re:Never was a fan by master_p · · Score: 1

      I always hated Star Trek.

      For all the wrong reasons, as we can see.

      It creates such an unbelievable vision of the future.

      Unbelievable by todays standards. But who knows what the future holds? if you told someone 100 years ago of how today's life would be, he would have said "get outta here! no way!"

      Even the actors (in the Next Generation and later) were stiff and spoke perfect emotionless english. Just a bunch of cold automatons moving through pristine sci-fi sets.

      They were not emotionless. They were gentle. There is a subtle difference, but if you are careful, you can see a very wide range of emotions. And where to start from...from Picards emotions towards Wesley to Sisko's emotions for his son, to Kira's feelings for Odo, to hatred and sympathy between different species, Star Trek was full or emotion.

      Everything is dirty, weathered and worn.
      So is in TNG, except for the Enterprise D, of course. And DS9 is even dirtier.

      Humans aren't living in some utopian vision with just the occassional evil alien to battle.

      Oh they do. TOS happens during the Federation era...and Gene's vision was a utopian society.

      Lucas' characters felt like they actually lived in their world

      As much as I enjoyed SW, the characters felt non-real to me...to the border of being ridiculus...of course the SW universe was ridiculus, although enjoyable...

      Even if Star Trek seems ridiculus to many people, it is what the future should be like...unless you want an endless stream of wars, fighting, bitteness, terrorism etc...

    13. Re:Never was a fan by nasch · · Score: 1
      Everything is so pristine, but you never the the laborers or even robots to keep it that way.
      Why should the Enterprise be so much more dirty and worn than the Space Shuttle? In the videos I've seen from shuttle missions that place looks almost like an operating room. There are a lot of things to criticize about Star Trek, but the ships being too clean doesn't seem like a winner.
  39. No it wasn't by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

    "That episode made American (and perhaps world) television history with the first inter-racial kiss shown on television(Kirk and Uhura)."

    This is one of those really annoying myths that seem to live forever.
    That was NOT the first inter-racial kiss.
    There was a TV show that pre-dates Star Trek and had not just many inter-racial kisses but an inter-racial marriage and a mixed race child.
    Everyone seems to for get I Love Lucy.
    Ricky Riccardo was Hispanic and Lucy was most certainly not.

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    1. Re:No it wasn't by hb253 · · Score: 1

      I didn't realize Hispanic is a race.

      I'm half "Hispanic" and as "white" as any "white" guy out there.

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    2. Re:No it wasn't by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "I didn't realize Hispanic is a race."

      Thank you....I was just about to post the same thing. I considered Hispanic to be an ethnicity, but, not a race...

      Then again...I get confused over the difference. I thought the basic races were black, white, oriental or something like that.

      Never gave it much thought before actually.

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    3. Re:No it wasn't by AJWM · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hispanic isn't a race (despite the little checkboxes on various government forms). Ricky and Lucy were both Caucasoid. Hispanic is a cultural term, Hispanic people can range from blonds to blacks.

      That episode may or may not have been (US) TV's first interracial kiss, but you'll have to find a better counter-example than "I Love Lucy".

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    4. Re:No it wasn't by DragonWriter · · Score: 1
      Hispanic isn't a race (despite the little checkboxes on various government forms).
      The Hispanic checkbox is usually listed as an ethnicity, either separate from races or in a category "Race/Ethnicity" where one other category is "White (not of Hispanic origin)".
    5. Re:No it wasn't by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Race is such a strange concept in many ways.
      Here is what I found on the Wikipedia
      So take your pick the EEOC says it is a race. The U.S. Census doesn't
      "The United States government has provided definitions regarding race (see for example Race (U.S. Census)). Racial classification in the U.S. 2000 census was based solely on self-identification, did not pre-suppose disjointedness, and did not include a category "Hispanic," which is considered an ethnicity, rather than a race, by the U.S. Census. On the other hand, the EEOC explicitly defines Hispanics as a separate and distinct "race.""

      So if some one hates Hispanics they are not racist?

      Anyway the point is when I Love Lucy was pitched they didn't want Desi Arnaz to play Lucy's husband. They didn't think that people would find a Hispanic man married to a white woman believable. Which is funny since they where actually married.

      Anyway I wanted to give Lucy and Desi Arnaz the credit they deserve for showing a mixed race/multi-ethnic marriage in the 1950s.
      Not to mention they owned the studio that produced Star Trek anyway.

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  40. And How Does Texas Treat Mexicans? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Hey, you don't like Texas, fine, don't visit or move there. But get your facts straight. It's like listening to Microsoft talk about why Linux is more expensive than Windows.
    Great analogy. Honestly, critique of operating systems compared to the critique of racism.

    It was also one of the first states to elect African Americans and women to elected office.
    That's just super. How does Texas treat Mexicans?

    My facts are straight, where I went to school, we were taught that the Alamo was a battle to liberate slaves being held by the Americans. Funny how history looks different on other sides of the boarder, isn't it?
  41. It was a simpler time... by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1

    When a captain could slap his short skirted
    yeoman on the butt and say "Get me some coffee, honey."

    When a giant space Lincoln could use words like 'nigress'.

    They don't make them like that anymore...

    1. Re:It was a simpler time... by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 1
      Wow! that has to be one of the most egregious examples of taking a line out of context that I've seen. The actual context is:

      Abraham Lincoln What a charming Negress. Oh, forgive me, my dear. I know in my time some used that term as a description of property.
      Uhura But why should I object to that term, sir? In our century, we've learned not to fear words.

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  42. Re:1966 Texas ... Not Very Tollerant by hal2814 · · Score: 1

    Yeah, in 1966 in rural Texas, the GOP was in charge of two things: jack and squat. That was firmly Democrat territory until the late-70's to early-80's but nice pathetic attempt at trying to make censorship a party-centric issue.

  43. Could have been the first inter-racial kiss... by wurp · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In fact, the scene they aired did not have an actual kiss between Uhura and Kirk. It just looked like it. I heard Shatner talking about it on some talk show - he was disappointed that they didn't actually get the first interracial kiss on TV.

    1. Re:Could have been the first inter-racial kiss... by steveha · · Score: 1

      According to Nichelle Nichols in her Trek book, it was the first interracial kiss. She said that they shot the real kiss first, and then William Shatner kept accidentally-on-purpose doing things that ruined the shot every time they tried to film a fake kiss. She said she has no idea why he doesn't remember that.

      Her book also had a great quote from a letter sent to the show, written by a man from the South. He said words to the effect of "I'm a Southern gentleman and I believe in the separation of the races... but if I had a woman in my arms who looked like that, I'd kiss her too."

      She was ready to quit the show, because her part was relatively small and she was frustrated. (Denise Crosby, years later, did quit, for similar reasons.) Martin Luther King Jr. told her she should stay in the show, because he felt she was being a good role model; that was enough to change her mind.

      steveha

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  44. Death by Random by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The joke would have been funnier if the title had been :Death by Random.

  45. If you like Picard so much... by Petersko · · Score: 1

    ...why don't you marry him?

  46. No by geekoid · · Score: 1

    lets get drunk and harrass the federation!

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  47. Star Trek (all of them) was crappy television. by karlandtanya · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So, I'm over at my friend's house and I want to watch...Lost in Space.
    Yes, they were both in re-runs by that time, but still opposite each other on Channels 9 and 33 in Baton Rouge, LA.
    Friend's got a much better show (what was I at the time? seven or eight?): Star Trek. And the first episode I ever saw was "The Man Trap"
    I didn't sleep that night.

    Years later, in college, I'm still playing "name that trek" (First person to name the episode wins. If nobody names the episode 10s after it starts, game's over, no winner).
    I won more than not. At a hardcore geek school (RPI).

    Yes, I realize Star Trek was crappy television played by mediocre actors with lame special effects.
    Preachy and unrealistic, the writing was among the worst literature ever produced.

    The stories were so derivative of themselves they became exponentially worse each time another ST series or movie was produced.

    And I still love it.
    Star Trek, B5, Logan's Run, Anderson, Vonnegut, Bear, Benford, Brin, Heinlein, Asimov, Bradbury, Niven (with and without Pournelle), Cherryh, Chalker, Leslie Fish, Le Guin, Van Vogt, Verne, Wells, Baen (let's not forget the BFL), Saberhagen, and a hundred others.

    Either you're a SF fan or you're not.

    And if you are, then you already know who's going to be in the spaceships when they land.

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    1. Re:Star Trek (all of them) was crappy television. by adavies42 · · Score: 1
      Leslie Fish
      OK, now that marks you as a hard-core geek. See you on Argo!
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  48. 40th !! by Eric+Damron · · Score: 1

    Damn I'm feeling old...

    Beam me up Scotty!

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    1. Re:40th !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's dead Jim.

  49. Remember remember... by Arceliar · · Score: 5, Funny

    Remember Remember the Eighth of September
    The Enterprise, phasers, and Spock
    I know of no reason that Star Trek's first season
    Should ever be forgot

    Sorry, I couldn't resist.

  50. Funny you should mention "fired"... by The_REAL_DZA · · Score: 2, Funny

    About a year ago I tried to generate interest in having them fired -- out of a cannon -- but it didn't seem to go anywhere (at least not anywhere that no one has gone before...)

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    1. Re:Funny you should mention "fired"... by Minwee · · Score: 1

      What you really should have done was petitioned to have the "Star Trek" name removed from everything they have worked on. Call it "Andromeda" or something and it would be better.

    2. Re:Funny you should mention "fired"... by The_REAL_DZA · · Score: 1

      You don't really want to get me started on Andromeda, do you? Andromeda was FREAKIN' GREAT until somebody started screwing around with the premise (and turned Dylan Hunt into some kind of Messiah/Pariah figure...) They even had a decent grasp of socio-political "drift" across 10,000 years... Too bad they had to get all metaphysical with that multiverse crap and... aw, see, now I've gone and started in on Andromeda already. Such a shame *sigh* Now the cast has dispersed into other work (which is good; they're not starving!), and the worst thing of all is that now we don't even get to see Lexa Doig on Stargate; they just talk about her but never seem to bring her character on screen.

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  51. Nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    he's not gonna have any luck picking up the hot alien chicks (that is, if Riker doesn't get to them first)

    Riker is about a good with the ladies as the guy who wrote nmap. My wife and I were watching an episode on G4 the other night. An alien chick was thowing herself at Riker. He was standing there going "Hammina, Hammina, Hammina." If that was Kirk, he would have had her nine ways to Sunday before the next commercial.

    Heh. My captcha word was "dainty." Just like Riker.

  52. Star Trek's greatest weakness (from the SciFi pov) by The_REAL_DZA · · Score: 1

    Three words: Needs more rasslin'.

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  53. Not Anemia... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    What's it called when you have too much irony in your blood....

  54. No way by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

    Let's get drunk and harass the Browncoats!

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  55. Re:My Thoughts: "Star Trek" Follow-ons Are Travest by kalidasa · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So let me get this straight - you're claiming that Avery Brooks talks like a high school dropout? Dropout from which high school, Phillips? All I can think of is the scene from Hollywood Shuffle when an actor shouts out "I can do it in iambic pentameter!!!"

  56. star trek clothes by peter303 · · Score: 1

    I recall getting mono-color polyester long sleeve shirts in 1967, just like the ones on Star Trek.

    Come to think of it, when I would wear the red(*) one, the kids at school would beat me up.












    (*)Inside joke. Ordinary crewmen wore red shirts. You knew if they beamed done to the planet with the officers, the red-shirt guy got killed.

    1. Re:star trek clothes by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      Pedantic, perhaps, but I believe it was not "ordinary crewman", but instead Engineering and Security that wore red shirts, and it was the short lifespans of members of the latter group (mostly on landing parties) that led to the running joke.

      TNG changed this by keeping science and medicine in blue, but switching the use of Red and Yellow.

    2. Re:star trek clothes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think this is the last place in the world where that joke would need to be explained..

  57. PDA into a phaser? by gorehog · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hmmmm,
    Well, first dig the universal translator out of your arm and pry that little piece of dilithium out of it. Careful not to damage the transtators, you're gonna need those later.

    Next you need to crack open your PDA. Drill a hole in the leading edge of the PDA. This is where your emitter element will go. Dont worry too much about getting the size right. The first test firing will finish the hole quite nicely.

    Next place the dilithium chip about .5mm behind the hole you made, inside the case. Fasten it there with some crazy glue or epoxy. NO WOOD GLUE FOR GODS SAKE. Someone once tried it with wood glue, now they have a crater named after him. Elmer's Crater they call it.

    Ok, now, reroute the plasma flow from the PDA's reservoir through one of the transtators from the translator. Direct the output at one side of the dilithium chip so it acts as a lens for the output of the transtator....

    What do you mean, you dont have a plasma reservoir in your PDA? Then, how do you power it? What? Chemical BATTERIES?

    Ugh. Stone knives and bearskins....

    1. Re:PDA into a phaser? by Aqua_boy17 · · Score: 1

      Best chuckle I've had all day. Someone with points please mod parent appropriately. Thanks!

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    2. Re:PDA into a phaser? by mfrank · · Score: 1

      Can't you power it by holding it against a light bulb? At the proper angle, of course.

  58. You've got it wrong. by Hackie_Chan · · Score: 1

    Dude, the reason why Star Trek is on hold right now is due to Berman. Paramount is waiting for their contract with him to run out before continuing with the franchise. Watch the YouTube video where Marina Sirtis, Garret Wong, and Robin Curtis talk about this (though it's rather brief).

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    1. Re:You've got it wrong. by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1
      Dude, the reason why Star Trek is on hold right now is due to Berman. Paramount is waiting for their contract with him to run out before continuing with the franchise.

      Yeah, because Paramount kept renewing their contract for the run of DS9, Voyager, and finally Enterprise. They had ample opportunity to cut back their contracts, or at least negotiate shorter ones. But NOOOOOO. They kept giving these morons MORE money (as in, larger contracts!) for the crappy work they were doing.

      Then Berman had the gall to give an interview where he whined about how hard it was being a producer, and that people wrote him letters about "stupid stuff" like the phasers being fired out of the photon torpedo banks or an episode contradicting previously established facts. Nevermind that Gene used to actually listen to those same fans, and planned things like the control panels in TNG to address common issues.
  59. I think you were not paying attention... by hummassa · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Women emphasizing their intellect? I was probably watching other shows...

    2. Tasha Yar (doin' it with Data!!!) and Deanna Troi (Riker and Worf)...
    3. Jadzia Dax (doin' it with Worf!!!)
    4. Seven ... of ... nine ... if _that_ outfit was emphasizing her intellect, _I_, for one, wasn't paying attention correctly.
    5. Hoshi Sato (doin' it in Risa, and with the mirror Capn'), T'Pol (doin' it with Trip -- and in occasion, imaginarily or alternative-realityly, with Reed, with the Capn' and with the Doc!!!), and _Three_ Green Babes. Don't forget Erika Hernandez (doin' it with Archer!)

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    1. Re:I think you were not paying attention... by Xiaran · · Score: 1

      You know I'd never considered it before... but Whorf, considering he was like this high strung warrior dude, got a lot of action. Maybe there are shots of him in that spandex outfit we didnt get to see.

  60. Beautiful flamebait by hummassa · · Score: 1
    AC:
    The best captain was Picard. Then Janeway, Kirk, Archer and Sisco. In that order.

    The best captain was Sisko. He punched Q in the face.
    Kirk and Picard are a tie IMHO. Good captains.
    Janeway and Archer, on the other side...
    But, really, vim rocks, debian (kubuntu) is the best distro, and I own the truth.
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  61. Re:My Thoughts: "Star Trek" Follow-ons Are Travest by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

    What does this say about the poster: He's afraid of smart women.

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  62. Overrated -- Fun, but not friggin shakespeare by Gnostic+Ronin · · Score: 1
    I find myself with a sort of love-hate relationship with Trek. It's a pretty well written show, TOS and early TNG being some of the best. But somewhere it stopped being the fun show and started being a "philospohical soap opera in space". Trek at least today is closer to being like grandpa trying to be "cool" and "down with it" but failing.

    Give me an adventure in space. Stop taking the thing so seriously. Quit trying to make bullshit technology sound like it was meant to work in the real world. I don't believe that transporters could work any more than I think being bitten by a radioactive spider will make me able to shoot webs. I'm not interested in a crew that can wank on about philosophy or captains chosen for their ability to "look concerned" and quote shakespeare. ST was an adventure show, it may have originally had a bit of philosophical and technological "spice", but it wasn't a deep show, and I wish they'd go back to that style rather than the current "soap opera" thing. I want a soap opera, I'll watch a soap opera.

    ps happy birthday or some junk.

  63. Klingon programmers by NullProg · · Score: 2, Funny

    I have a printout of this hanging on the wall.


    Top 10 things likely to be overheard if you had a Klingon on your software development team:

          1. "This code is a piece of crap! You have no honor!"
          2. "A TRUE Klingon warrior does not comment his code!"
          3. "By filing this bug you have questioned my family honor. Prepare to die!"
          4. "You question the worthiness of my Code?! I should kill you where you stand!"
          5. "Our competitors are without honor!"
          6. "Specs are for the weak and timid!"
          7. "This machine is a piece of GAGH! I need dual Pentium processors if I am to do battle with this code!"
          8. "Perhaps it IS a good day to Die! I say we ship it!"
          9. "My program has just dumped Stova Core!"
        10. "Behold, the keyboard of Kalis! The greatest Klingon code warrior that ever lived!"



    Enjoy,

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    1. Re:Klingon programmers by macs4all · · Score: 1

      I laughed 'til I peed! That's GREAT!

    2. Re:Klingon programmers by Xeth · · Score: 1

      Ironically enough, you forgot how to spell the name of Kahless the Unforgettable.

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    3. Re:Klingon programmers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >>"My program has just dumped Stova Core!"

      Best.....klingon....programming.....joke....ever

    4. Re:Klingon programmers by nasch · · Score: 1

      You're missing some good ones!

  64. Re:My Thoughts: "Star Trek" Follow-ons Are Travest by rothic · · Score: 1

    Right. Just like if you don't want gay men touching your penis, you're probably homophobic. Maybe the guy isn't afraid of smart women, maybe he just wants to see some hot ass.

  65. more successful than Star Wars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With the abomination of the *entire* second half of the Star Wars sexology, it's safe to come right out and say it: Star Trek is the more successful franchise.

  66. The Salt Creature? by Radical+Rad · · Score: 1

    It was a love story with a sci-fi twist, borne of a relationship from the doctor's past, featuring a monster that, in the end, just wanted to live.

    This sounds like the episode with creature that took human form but when alone with someone would revert to alien form and suck all the salt from their body. Can anybody confirm whether that's the same one?

    1. Re:The Salt Creature? by calidoscope · · Score: 1

      That be the one.

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  67. Re:My Thoughts: "Star Trek" Follow-ons Are Travest by Gulthek · · Score: 1

    re: 3. You think all high school dropouts can succintly explain the concept of linear time? Whoa.

    Buddha isn't Santa Claus. You are apparently substituting Buddha for the Christian God, who most *treat* like Santa Claus (e.g. Thank God that your local...). Poor form.

  68. Peon Trek: To go where nobody goes 9-to-5 by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Everything is so pristine, but you never [see] the laborers or even robots to keep it that way.

    Peon Trek: Tues 8:30pm: Title: "Klingons Cling, Part 2", Description: "R2D2 finds gum jamming the towel dispenser while an Endorian janitor scraps Klingon excretment from the top of the ceiling."

  69. Re:My Thoughts: "Star Trek" Follow-ons Are Travest by ThinkTwicePostOnce · · Score: 1

    Avery Brooks sounds like a high school dropout? And Captain Kirk is wimpy! What in the world could make you say such an obviously, extremely false thing? Perhaps you meant to say he sounded like a Shakesperean actor out of one side of his face, and a high school dropout out of the other? Fans of the original series should get my point, which isn't very pretty.

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  70. Perhaps we'll never know... by wurp · · Score: 1

    Per the Wikipedia, the kiss wasn't real.

    I have seen other sites that claim it was. I dunno.

  71. A Totalitarian Society by Geof · · Score: 1

    I agree. The earnest optimism is painful - though today the old series is enjoyable precisely because it is a dated artifact of its time. The story in which the crew deduce an alien blob of light must be female because it cares for a man marooned on a planet stands out for its hilarious casual sexism.

    TNG is another matter. Here society and culture are static. Even on a ship with hundreds of civilian family members, art, music, fashion, and literature are frozen in time. When the crew enjoy art, it is always Shakespeare and classical music. Our lives today are awash in culture; TNG's Federation is dead by comparison.

    The underlying assumption in so many episodes is that people can agree if only they understand each other: the stories were famous for building up to a crisis only to defuse it. But in a truly free society, the diversity of perspectives and opinions will give rise to genuine conflicts with no simple way out (the debate between pro-choice and pro-life positions, for example). The utopian "optimism" of TNG is that of a totalitarian society in which real differences have been eliminated.

    I remember watching the first episode of TNG with such enthusiasm when I was a kid. My interest soon faded; to me, Star Trek's future was - and is - a kind of man-made hell. (In fairness, this may have been somewhat remedied in DS9 et. al., of which I have seen very little.)

  72. Re:My Thoughts: "Star Trek" Follow-ons Are Travest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's exactly what I want to see too, when I watch sci-fi movies. Some pr0n involving hot chicks doin' it with nerds. That's the '-fi' part that i'm searching for.

  73. Yeah, mod me redundant: by hummassa · · Score: 1

    Sisko punched Q in the face. Sisko absolutely rules. He defended DS9 with a handful of photon torpedoes using the sensor shadow trick, and when the klingons came thinking he was repeating himself, he served them a whole can of whoopass.

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  74. SISKO by carninja · · Score: 1

    Oh my god, people, I've read "Sisco" nearly 40 times already! It's SISKO. Benjamin SISKO. Go check StarTrek.com if you need to. Every single one of you just lost your right to be called a Trekkie. Turn in your combadges and your phasers immediately!

  75. Re:My Thoughts: "Star Trek" Follow-ons Are Travest by Eil · · Score: 2, Insightful

    1. Original Series: brash captain, hot-looking women, dangerous adventures in a ship designed for living but not for tourism

    If by "brash," you mean "talentless ego-maniac," then yes. Also, I dispute your claim of the women being "hot-looking".

    2. The Next Generation: refined captain who talks like an English professor, women who emphasize their intellect, adventures in a ship designed like a luxury hotel

    Spot on.

    3. Deep Space Nine: captain who talks like a high-school dropout, women who emphasize their intellect, adventures in a space hotel

    Wait, what? "Captain who talks like a high-school dropout"? Sisko speaks perfectly well. He was typically a little more jovial than the other captains, but I don't see anything wrong with that. I think you accidentally let some of your racism show through.

    4. Voyager: captain who emphasizes her intellect, women who emphasize their intellect, dangerous adventures in a ship designed like a luxury hotel

    Just what is it you have against shows that portray females as intelligent people? The whole "women-as-set-pieces" concept should have died along with the original series, what a shame it lives on in the form of you.

    5. Enterprise: captain played by an actor who cannot act, women who emphasize their intellect, dangerous adventures in a ship run by characters played by actors and actresses who cannot act

    I can handle inexperienced actors, the real travesty here was the writers. "Oooh, I know, let's create a new Star Trek to predate the others, but instead of writing new material, let's just rehash all of the characters, places, and technology from the other series' whilst excusing the overall sheer implausibility of it with a bit of hand-waving!"

  76. Re:Klingon programmers|more by Mspangler · · Score: 1

    Other comments;

    * You cannot really appreciate Dilbert unless you've read it in the original Klingon.

    * Indentation?! I will show you how to indent when I indent your skull!

    * What is this talk of 'release'? Klingons do not make software 'releases'. Our software escapes, leaving a bloody trail of designers and quality assurance people in its wake!

    * Klingon function calls do not have "parameters" - they have "arguments"- and they ALWAYS WIN THEM.

    * Debugging? Klingons do not debug. Our software does not coddle the weak.

    * I have challenged the entire Quality Assurance team to a Bat-Leh contest! They will not concern us again.

    * Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are!