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From upthread. Nokia net sales: 2008 : 50.71 2009 : 40.98 2010 : 42.45 2011 : 38.66 2012 : 30.18 2013 : 12.71

MS bought them in 2014. You are apparently using an interesting definition of 'expanding'. Care to share? We can use a laugh.

Just three facts: Elop's Burning Memo and the M$ deal are from February 2011, the financial crisis of 2008 put the world economy in recession in 2009 and we're talking about the mobile devices division.

In 2009 Nokia as a whole (it was not just a cellular phone maker, but an industrial conglomerate with many divisions) suffered from the financial crisis, so it was hit hard like many other companies, but it expected to recover and grow in 2010 and it grew in effect (operating profit was up 73%) and then they expected to grow in 2011 too because markets were recovering, but then something happened. In 2011, after a good first quarter, Nokia smartphones shipments stopped growing (i.e. "expanding"), they began losing personnel (it lost 2% of its workforce in 2009 during the crisis, but it gained a 7% in 2010, then lost more than 25% of its workforce in 2011-2012), their best selling high end smartphone MeeGo based N9 was relegated to secondary markets to bolster their WP7 line up, which totally failed.

So to put it in a way that even a M$ shill can understand: Nokia smartphone shipments were growing steadily, even if less than Apple and Samsung, until the Nokia-M$ deal, then they crumbled, while their feature phones, Symbian based Asha, were the only reason why the mobile devices division didn't get the whole company bankrupt.

It's likely that you know more about some of the technical issues than I. However, here are my ideas:

You said, "Don't automatically install Recommended updates. Only security updates."

Microsoft has shown itself, again and again, to be an extremely abusive company. (Not following standards in IE 6, for example.) The recent tricks with Windows 10 have shown that Microsoft could possibly release a "security update" that has hidden purposes.

" If you're a business then run an internal WSUS server."

Again, Microsoft could release an "update" to the server that would give Microsoft more control.

"There's a big difference between stop/break fixes and minor inconveniences."

The issue is deliberate, extensive ABUSE, not "minor inconveniences".

Managers at Microsoft, like former Microsoft CEO Monkey Boy, for example, have such limited social ability that they are not able to avoid being self-destructive. They don't see that taking control of customer's computers will eventually have a very bad result.

Given Microsoft’s recent position on gender sensitivity kind of things (Microsoft hires danders for GDC after-party), I kind of wonder if they subscribe to the, “20 No’s and a Yes is still a Yes” cult of consent.

Oh, I agree entirely.
Argument over transgender rights has killed a major spending bill in Congress

The rancorous political debate over sexual identity unexpectedly prompted the Republican-controlled House of Representatives to rejected an energy and water spending bill on Thursday after Democrats attached an amendment to protect the rights of transgender people

However, your point is not applicable in this case because the so-called "snuck in provision" is part of the Senate's INTELLIGENCE AUTHORIZATION ACT FOR FISCAL YEAR 2016 and is related to the FBI's counterintelligence duties which falls under purview of national security.

Seriously, motherfucker?

and another one...

http://www.businessinsider.com...

try to get pepsi at burger king http://www.businessinsider.com...

a very slight chance of making it in "the Cloud".

It's hard to believe but they are rocking in the cloud; the cloud and server division is the biggest revenue maker for Microsoft. Here are better numbers.

Here's how the cloud landscape is shaping up: AWS (and to a smaller degree Google's cloud) is getting popular among startup types, and people with deeper technical knowledge. IBM's cloud is getting popular among giant fortune 500 companies that don't care about technology and just want someone else to take care of it. Microsoft's cloud is gaining popularity among boring, mid-sized businesses who just want something easy (and who frankly, probably don't need a cloud). HP is dead in the water.

It's not the first time. We had this discussion years ago...

In 2013...

http://www.ibtimes.com/googles...

A year later they outsell the iPad in schools...

http://www.businessinsider.com...

The FDA has been after Therados for years

The penal system is not enacting it's penalties with an aim to rehabilitate e.g. Jeffrey Dahmer, it's enacting its penalties to stop the next Jeffrey Dahmer from eating his first victim.

This is a giant strawman. The vast majority of criminals are not Jeffrey Dahlmer and are not serving a life sentence. This means that for MOST inmates the prison system is there to rehabilitate them to society.

No-one's arguing that there aren't mentally unstable individuals who cannot be released and so on, but tehabilitation and making sure the inmates, once released, do not commit crimes again is the primary focus of any sane penal system. If you look at actual data and charts on reconviction rates you'll note they go up as the length of the sentence goes up. This means the more time the inmate spends in jail, the higher the chance of them committing a crime again is. The US is not the only country where this happens, but if time spent in jail increases instead of decreases the chances of a re-conviction, it ought to be clear that the system is faulty.

Compare that to something like Norway which has one of the 'softest' prison systems and has no life imprisonment (technically, although with people like Brevik it's unlikely he will ever be let free, as they have to pass an assessment before release or the sentence can be continued, and even if he's ever released he'll probably be released into a mental institution) and has incredibly humane conditions (that is it allows for the inmates to live fairly normal lives within controlled conditions), the re-conviction rates are far lower because it turns out if you treat prisoners as people instead of cattle to be kept in small boxes and the released after several years with limited rights and next to no employment options, they actually for the most part turn out to become productive members of society.

https://www.google.com/search?...
"Including results for icahn china"

A quick google points to Carl Icahn, some kind of notable investor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
http://qz.com/673035/carl-icah...
http://www.businessinsider.com...

In this case, it happened because placating the fears of public officials regarding their own ineptitude turned out to be increadibly lucerative: http://www.businessinsider.com...

"Candy Crush and Twitter already re-install themselves every time I update the OS."

Two questions about solving problems caused by Microsoft's apparent attempts to take complete control:

1) The average Windows user is not able to prevent Microsoft from having more and more control. But corporate customers don't want to spend the time to learn a new user interface. They like what is now known as Classic Shell.

Microsoft is, and has always been, sloppy with updates, often introducting new vulnerabilities. Also, the control that Microsoft calls "Telemetry" and the updates with hidden purposes are not acceptable to many people and corporations. So, it seems that Windows should not be installed on computers that have internet connections.

Would it be possible to give corporate users 2 computers? Windows 10 to run corporate software, with no internet connection, and Linux for checking email and using a browser? How would the 2 separate networks communicate in a secure way? Unfortunately, no one has provided a Classic Shell interface for Linux, and many programs used in corporations won't run under Linux.

The managers of Microsoft (like Monkey Boy, for example) have such limited social ability that they are not able to avoid being self-destructive. They don't see that taking control of everyone's computer will eventually have a very bad result.

Also, there have been reports that secret agencies of the U.S. government buy vulnerabilities. Are Microsoft and Adobe deliberately including vulnerabilities and selling them?

Apparently Microsoft is trying to imitate Facebook and Google because of the sharp drop in sales of PC computers. But Windows 10 is the Bing or Zune of operating systems.

2) Autopatcher has not begun supporting Windows 10. We need independent control over Windows operating system updates. How can we achieve that?

Zuckerberg's 'principles' involve stealing passwords and reading other people's email.

"Down rounds" happen, but they are not common.

You never heard of a downround kid? Look it up. They are fairly common nowadays, particularly with unicorns.

Well, which is it?

Wikipedia.

Hmm... dot com crash of 2000 again.

Looks like history repeating itself to me.

Business Insider, from 2013:

After a few years of massive hype in the startup sector, absurd-sounding valuations are starting to correct themselves. Startups are confronting the prospect of raising "down rounds" from investorsâ"or rounds of financing that value the companies at less than the previous round.

LivingSocial, for example, was once valued at $5.7 billion; it's now worth a quarter of that, or less, depending on whom you ask. ...

Many of the businesses started were consumer-facingâ"things like photo apps and social networks that require a lot of people to use them to survive. They weren't transactional businesses that make money when they sell something. And that was okayâ"a lot of investors encouraged entrepreneurs to build up their user bases before trying to generate revenue.

But when some of the biggest consumer Internet companies, like Groupon, Zynga, and Facebook, went public, their stock prices got slashed. Suddenly, these incredibly valuable companies weren't worth as much money as the tech world initially thought.

FuckedCompany is no more, but Wired informs me that CB Insights is where the action is at this time around.

More evidence of the coming shitstorm.

It's not as simple as lowering corporate tax, since that would cause us to go deeper into debt. Instead we need to make up that revenue elsewhere. The problem isn't just that our corporate taxes are high, it's that our personal taxes our low too. U.S. taxes are catered toward individual wealth instead of "public wealth".

We tax corporations heavily while taxing the populace (comparatively) lightly. To add some perspective, one thing taught to me early on is "you work one week a month for uncle sam" implying a roughly 25% effective tax rate... that's light compared to a large part of the world.

Sorry folks, we can't just lower corporate tax... We'll need to start taxing individuals a hell of a lot more. I say we start with the 1% and work our way down.

I thought it was funny when they put up a statue of him and no one knew who he was.

http://www.businessinsider.com...

"Sony... that explains everything doesn't it?"

It explains nothing to me. Torvalds has used Viaos on and off over the years. http://www.businessinsider.com...

Do you know something the rest of us don't?

I'd love to know why every release of Ubuntu going back to 12 would put it in thermal shutdown at install time. And Linux Mint, and Fedora and CentOS but not Debian 8.

This Vaio has been a solid performer, heaps of RAM, decent graphics, great CPU with 8 cores.

"Sony... that explains everything doesn't it?"

It explains nothing to me. Torvalds has used Viaos on and off over the years. http://www.businessinsider.com...

Do you know something the rest of us don't?

If not in an internal combustion, then where?

Thorium is the source of and solution to the world's green and nuclear energy problem and creating a demand for Thorium will bring back manufacturing jobs, since it's found where rare earth minerals are and due to strict regulations against it despite thorium not being a source of weapons grade fissile material, not water soluble, it's heavy so it doesn't blow away... Companies can't compete with China on manufacturing because regulations make it too expensive to pull rare earths out of the ground and manufacturing needs to be near its source material like neodymium and dysprosium which are found in proportion to thorium and are needed to make everything from cars to smart phones, from wind generators to solar panels. Lessening the thorium regulations is basically the only thing a country has to do to become great.

But guess who's selling Russia USA's rare earth mineral rights (on wild life refuges and other federal land)? Hint, her released emails reveal the reason the Hammond Ranch came under attack by the BLM: The ranch is in the middle of the federal land promised to non-NATO countries.

There is a big difference between Google and Microsoft.

Microsoft is evil even when the evil lowers Microsoft income. Evil, not making money, is Microsoft's core business.

Google takes advantage of social weakness to make money, like providing no way to update Android. The managers of Microsoft (Monkey Boy, for example) have such limited social ability that they are not able to avoid being self-destructive.

more people obviously can afford to HAVE a household

To misquote Babbage: I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a statement.

Home ownership is 3rd lowest ever.

Marriage is at an all time low.

Family size is decreasing - YOUR OWN STATS. Meanwhile, Cohabitation is increasing. So are non-sexual roommates.

So please explain what the hell went on in your head that produced the output "more people obviously can afford to HAVE a household", because all signs are pointing the other way.

What kind of idiot posts something like that on Slashdot?

One who should read this:
http://www.businessinsider.com...

600million IPs are geolocated to one farm in Kansas that's at the geographic center of the lower 48.

actually its not an ad hominem attack,, both remarks are irrellevant My personal observation and question with this idea is what happens through no fault of our own, jobs are automated to the extent that even the burger flipping jobs are automated out of existence and a living wage becomes a necessity like it or not. I foresee this as a problem the millennials will be dealing with en mass with in the next 5 to 10 years. See the links below for a reference on what I am talking about. https://youtu.be/7Pq-S557XQU and http://www.businessinsider.com...

Revolv http://www.businessinsider.com...
There are others, you are perfectly capable of finding them. Don't be a fool. Google abandons products all the time, at least one major product every year that people have depended on.

seriously +2 insightful. sounds like rhetoric to get attention. The Chinese aren't innovators, they copy, steal and are tbh just playing catch up to north America. They come over and buy up companies and we let them and then they turn around and stab you in the back And north American companies let them do it. It's time to wake up people, the real 'red coats' are coming

seriously +2 insightful. sounds like rhetoric to get attention. The Chinese aren't innovators, they copy, steal and are tbh just playing catch up to north America. They come over and buy up companies and we let them and then they turn around and stab you in the back And north American companies let them do it. It's time to wake up people, the real 'red coats' are coming

Starship troopers isn't facist. It's a democracy where the right to vote is awarded to those who put the good of society ahead of their own well being for a few years.

By one particular definition, and where you're not allowed to even espouse beliefs contrary to the party line. Fascism. Read it again, kiddo.

Many democracies have not given the right to vote to all citizens.

Wrong. Those are not democracies. They are something else, usually republics. Republics are referred to as "representative democracies" but there is in fact no such thing. Those are not democracies but oligarchies. Our own government functions not as a democracy, but as an oligarchy. If you think that we live in democracy, you are officially Part Of The Problem, at best because you are an idiot: A useful one.

And democracies which give the right to vote to all citizens are classically predicted to vote themselves out of business

The problem with your idea is that it is stupid. There are examples of countries which actually have one person one vote (shit, some of them let you vote on your cellphone) and they are doing fine.

Volker was also fairly true to the books (outside of lacking budget for power armor). He played up the fascist symbolism but left the valid arguments that
a) power grows out of the barrel of a gun.

Power grows not out of the barrel of a gun, but out of the will of people. A number of times in history, people have been willing to resist their armed occupiers. Also, if you are sneaky, you can kill people without guns.

b) people who won't sacrifice their own good for society probably shouldn't be running society.

Joining the military is not for the good of society. It is for the good of the wealthy. Murdering people in foreign countries for profit is not good for society.

You underestimate just how screwed most of America is. 40 years now of declining wages, a labor market that favors employers and an entire society where job quality and quality of life are the same thing sorta do that to most.

I want to introduced you to Ronald Read, a 92-year-old Vermont man who worked as a gas station attendant for most of his life and a janitor at J.C. Penny towards the end. He passed away last year leaving behind an $8M fortune in dividend-paying stocks that he bought with a little bit of cash from each paycheck since the early 1970's. He lived such a modest lifestyle that most people thought he was poor. The only outward sign of his wealth was a subscription to the Wall Street Journal. He left the bulk of wealth to the local hospital and library.

http://www.businessinsider.com/ronald-read-secret-millionaire-2015-2

"Is this true? Is it *really* true."

No, it's not true, as you can see from this graph. Note that chart is a little old, and we've since recovered from the recession dip, too.
While you're at it, you might also be interested in seeing how all our manufacturing has been leaving the country as well.

Remember, when people start throwing crappy statistics around that can be checked with a quick google search, someone is trying to manipulate you.

For how long? http://www.businessinsider.com...

Well, the "expensive" part is correct. But claiming it "can't fly, can't fight" is just not true.

A lot of people disagree:

Pentagon’s big budget F-35 fighter ‘can’t turn, can’t climb, can’t run’
http://blogs.reuters.com/great...

The F-35 may have big problems fighting at long range
http://www.businessinsider.com...

The $400 Billion Military Jet That Can't Fly in Cloudy Weather
http://www.alternet.org/fail-4...

RAND Corp: F35 Can’t Turn, Can’t Climb, Can’t Run
http://www.stopthef35.com/rand...

Air Force Admits: Our New Stealth Fighter Can’t Fight
http://www.thedailybeast.com/a...

The F-35 Can't Beat The Plane It's Replacing In A Dogfight: Report
http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.c... ...and so on.

Satoshi Nakamoto. That'll show 'em!

A simple google search shows that you're a moron.

http://www.businessinsider.com...
http://www.cio.com/article/292...

Are Norwegians (including their convicts) such pacifists that it couldn't be argued that he needs "protective custody?" Jeffrey Dahmer killed less than 77 people, and he survived, what? Two years with the general prison population?

Western European prisons, and Scandinavian prisons in particular, are very different from the US hellholes. They don't dehumanise inmates to nearly the same degree, and as a result, most prisoners don't behave like crazy monkeys fighting a turf war. The rate of incarceration in Norway nearly ten times lower than in the US, and the level of recidivism is only 20%, as opposed to nearly 80% in the US.

Ab+'s a 151mb memory hog http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte... (hosts use ~3-10mb w/ my program initially). ClarityRay + BlockIQ detect & defeat AlmostAllAdsBlockedMINUS via native browser methods!
Ab+'s bribed not to work by default http://www.businessinsider.com... & ABP bought out adblock http://www.theregister.co.uk/2...
Ab+ adds complexity in slower usermode (w/ more messagepassing overhead + context switch vs. hosts in kernelmode)
AdBlock's SLOWER: http://superuser.com/questions...

(Rabbi Coren22 - I suggest you quit preaching your "ministry of UNTRUTH", lol!)

APK

P.S.=> Adblock's other shortcomings vs. hosts too https://slashdot.org/comments.... ? Nobody accuses you of intelligence, Coren22

There has been a long tradition of the music industry (even before it was the recording industry) of fighting any technological innovation since it would disrupt their current business model. Industries that make money by controlling access to other people's creativity are like that.

The music industry convinced itself that its CD era peak revenue period from 1994 to 2000, when a few generations of music lovers were rebuying their entire music collection in the superior CD format, was their "natural revenue level" and any decrease from the anomalous high point was due to "Piracy! Piracy I say!" rather than the inevitable technology-driven business cycle, seen several times before. They then spent the next decade feverishly fighting digital music, the upcoming format that would replace CDs, rather than working on consumer-friendly ways to exploit it, driving their own revenues into a ditch by pissing off the next generation of music consumers with lawsuits and DRM.

ZUCK: yea so if you ever need info about anyone at harvard
ZUCK: just ask
ZUCK: i have over 4000 emails, pictures, addresses, sns
FRIEND: what!? how’d you manage that one?
ZUCK: people just submitted it
ZUCK: i don’t know why
ZUCK: they “trust me”
ZUCK: dumb fucks
- Mark Zuckerberg, source.

The remedy for bad speech is not no speech, it's more speech.

Instead of focusing on Trump specifically, they ought to take a position of opposing all candidates. By that I mean make an effort to debunk the bullshit from each candidate. Don't censor the stories about politicians, instead go deeper and make sure that whenever someone gets a story in their feed about a candidate, any claims from that candidate get linked to a "debunker."

For example, in a story that reports on Trump saying mexicans are drug runners and rapists, that line should be linked to a story that analyzes that claim and reports the actual crime rate for legal and illegal mexican immigrants (which in this case is lower than for the native-born population).

Make it an official policy to do that sort of debunking for all candidates and the end result is a more informed electorate. That sort of policy could be expanded beyond just politicians to things like pro-ISIS messaging. For example, every time some ISIS recruiter sends a message about how great it is to live in their 'caliphate' facebook could add a link to a story from ISIS defectors about how shitty it was to live there.

Rarely is an issue black-and-white and any policy of debunking claims will inevitably embody some biases. But the perfect is the enemy of the good. Better to inject some amount of counterpoint with ethical guidelines that are fully public than to apply censorship or even do nothing. For better or worse, facebook is a middleman, they should use that position to increase speech, not reduce it.

The CIA having a business arm is a very dangerous thing.

http://www.businessinsider.com...

For example, a computer has difficulty differentiating a brown paper bag from a rock in the road. The former can bet driven over. The latter not so much. Even the Google car requires every traffic control signal to be located and tagged so the vehicle can find the relevant one. If by "magic" you mean "not well understood by science" then the human brain is magic. We have very little understanding of how it works and less on how to emulate it in computers.

Under some conditions computers do perform better but when situations become more complex most humans perform better.

Already they are better than any human in snow and rain.

Not when they can not see the white lane marker or curb as they have trouble knowing where the edge of the road is. Remember recently that the Tesla driver assist was taking every single highway exit. That is because it is following the lane marker and not the road.

The thing is, people are posting less and less even of pictures. My feed is all idiotic "shares". This is why I use FB less and less with every passing month.

I wish there was a way to block ALL shares, and ONLY see original content created by someone I know. Of course, that doesn't help Zuckerberg's marketing analytics or Facebook's "you are the product" business model.

I think this is a natural result of Zuckerberg's "users are dumbfucks" attitude [1], spelled out by a lack of ethics and consequently trust from the users. I know very few people in my network of recent parents that share their family photos on FB, for the simple fact that FB doesn't have a "privacy first" capability (or if that exists, that they trust FB to deliver).

Most of these folks are sharing on Apple Photostream, or Google Photos.

My surprise is that it took so long for this to happen.

[1] http://www.businessinsider.com...

How can there be so many defects in Flash? Is Adobe paid to include vulnerabilities? If so, who pays? Secret government agencies? One of the many stories: The NSA hacks other countries by buying millions of dollars worth of computer vulnerabilities.

Is Adobe badly managed?

"Honestly, the only thing which has cumulatively had more security holes than Flash is Windows."

Is Microsoft paid to include vulnerabilities? Or is it bad management? "Monkey Boy" can't run a technology company?

When people are getting arrested for posts on Twitter and Facebook, then I am quite sure that the freedom of speech in Europe is gone.

Let the US shoot itself in the foot. The rest of the world will encrypt.

Except for England, Prime Minister David Cameron is trying to ban it also.

And France.

doctors

I'll see your doctors and raise you Watson...

http://www.businessinsider.com...

To quote CGP Grey:

https://youtu.be/7Pq-S557XQU?t...

"Understanding every drug and every drugs interaction with every other drug is beyond human knowability".

With their utter failure to have any meaningful presence in the mobile phone world, Microsoft is using Cyanogen to infiltrate:

http://www.businessinsider.com...
http://www.techtimes.com/artic...
http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/20...
http://www.engadget.com/2015/0...

The same FBI that says to pay the ransom when your network gets hit with ransomware. Just so you all know.

http://www.businessinsider.com...

Reported last week by Security Ledger, Joseph Bonavolonta, the Assistant Special Agent who oversees the FBI’s CYBER and Counterintelligence Program in Boston, spoke at the 2015 Cyber Security Summit and advised that companies infected with ransomware may want to give in to the criminal’s demands.

“The ransomware is that good,” Bonavolonta explained to an audience of business and technology leaders during the Q&A. “To be honest, we often advise people just to pay the ransom.”

Just in the last month.

As unsophisticated people who have dealt with him in the past have concluded, with Trump, you need to read the fine print.

Having Donald J Trump, his wife and business executives raving that great things will happen if you throw in your lot with him; sorry, that isn't the fine print. You're gonna go down.