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Kansas governor Sam Brownback is an Opus Dei member and given his staff already monitors Twitter for mean teenaged girls http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/11/26/1039899/-Gov-Sam-Brownback-s-staff-demands-apology-from-high-school-girl-who-correctly-noted-that-he-sucks, I'm sure he's already on Team Vatican.

HBGary who got caught in the act doing it:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/02/16/945768/-UPDATED:-The-HB-Gary-Email-That-Should-Concern-Us-All

PERTINENT QUOTES/EXCERPTS:

"According to an embedded MS Word document found in one of the HBGary emails, it involves creating an army of sockpuppets, with sophisticated "persona management" software that allows a small team of only a few people to appear to be many, while keeping the personas from accidentally cross-contaminating each other. Then, to top it off, the team can actually automate some functions so one persona can appear to be an entire Brooks Brothers riot online... And all of this is for the purposes of infiltration, data mining, and (here's the one that really worries me) ganging up on bloggers, commenters and otherwise "real" people to smear enemies and distort the truth... "

&

"The Chinese Water Army"

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Chinese-Water-Army-Posts-Comments-For-Anyone-Who-Pays-236294.shtml

* Each doing the same bogus sockpuppet crap, & they're ALL/EACH scum too - just like trolls like you that do the same here...

However - the BEST source of evidence of that going on, especially on /., is probably the words of Mr. Bruce Perens on it:

"It just takes one Ubuntu sympathizer or PR flack to minus-moderate any comment. Unfortunately, once PR agencies and so on started paying people to moderate online communities, and to have hundreds of accounts each, things changed." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @03:55PM (#33089192) Homepage Journal

SOURCE -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33089192

APK

P.S.=> Then there's "trolltalk.com" & tomhudson = Barbara, not Barbie on /. itself... proof? Ok:

barbara.hudson@unjava.com from http://slashdot.org/~Barbara%2C+not+Barbie = barbara.hudson@barbara-hudson.com from http://slashdot.org/~tomhudson

Why 2 /. registered 'luser' accounts? Easy - to troll/stalk others, and to mod down opponents and to mod herself up with.

Which proves that statement from myself, & he/she stalked, harassed, & libelled myself here repeatedly:

"Wait until he starts on another kick, then reply to him as an AC. It's the new meme". - by tomhudson (43916) on Sunday May 09 2010, @08:29PM (#32150544) Homepage Journal

QUOTED FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1646272&cid=32150544

Where tom/barbara told others to troll/harass/stalk ME, for MONTHS via AC posts - which IS A VIOLATION OF SITE POLICY and laws as well... apk

You Lucky Ducky
http://comics.dailykos.com/story/2012/04/13/1082944/-Lucky-Ducky-in-Tricklin-Down-?detail=hide

Or the open hostility some of the judiciary has shown in the various Obamacare lawsuits...

As someone that's been watching the members of the Wisconsin State Supreme Court literally come to blows over partisan bickering, I have absolutely no doubt that many of the cases coming before the courts in this country are decided based solely on who the involved parties are or the political ramifications of a decision, regardless of the arguments.

All via your reg'd 'luser' acct., & troll by AC, + call me 'crazy' too... how "original' (not) & 'effective' (again - not).

Yes, the "logical mind" (lol, NOT) of /. trolls NEVER ceases to amaze, off-topic ad hominema attacks & more (how boring & unoriginal).

All that, AND, minus your PhD & a valid license in the psychiatric sciences, as well as a formal examination of my "alleged mental state" from you, Dr. Quack, the "SiDeWaLk-ShRiNk of /."?

(LMAO - that's also libel you know minus those things to your name/credit (hence the ac trolling no doubt)).

* I mean, do you HONESTLY *THINK* that type of crap actually works? Guess again... in fact, I'll even cite others thoughts on it, & respected others + sources of like repute:

It's not even ORIGINAL thinking for Pete's sake, lol!

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E.G.-> There's HBGary who got caught in the act doing it:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/02/16/945768/-UPDATED:-The-HB-Gary-Email-That-Should-Concern-Us-All

PERTINENT QUOTES/EXCERPTS:

"According to an embedded MS Word document found in one of the HBGary emails, it involves creating an army of sockpuppets, with sophisticated "persona management" software that allows a small team of only a few people to appear to be many, while keeping the personas from accidentally cross-contaminating each other. Then, to top it off, the team can actually automate some functions so one persona can appear to be an entire Brooks Brothers riot online... And all of this is for the purposes of infiltration, data mining, and (here's the one that really worries me) ganging up on bloggers, commenters and otherwise "real" people to smear enemies and distort the truth... "

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"The Chinese Water Army"

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Chinese-Water-Army-Posts-Comments-For-Anyone-Who-Pays-236294.shtml

* Each doing the same bogus sockpuppet crap, & they're ALL/EACH scum too - just like trolls like you that do the same here...

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However - the BEST source of evidence of that going on, especially on /., is probably the words of Mr. Bruce Perens on it:

"It just takes one Ubuntu sympathizer or PR flack to minus-moderate any comment. Unfortunately, once PR agencies and so on started paying people to moderate online communities, and to have hundreds of accounts each, things changed." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @03:55PM (#33089192) Homepage Journal

SOURCE -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33089192

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Above ALL else perhaps though? Think that doesn't go on here?? Ok - ASK tomhudson = Barbara, not Barbie, or clone53421=clone52431, & MichaelKristopeit (with his 500++ registered 'luser' accounts)

* So, ac troll: That "all said & aside"? "I rest my case"... since that says it all!

APK

P.S.=> LASTLY? Hey - Keep on wasting your time trolling me to no good results on your part cowardly ac troll - lol, "it's noble work you're doing" (you know - instead of say, learning to code to BETTER your OS of choice from the *NIX world which you ought to be doing instead)...

... apkb

Rick Santorum was going to make the US a beacon again for the rest of the world.

Santorum complained about the frothy redefinition of his name, which was not intended to please him, but was not directly his doing (even if one considers that it was deserved). However, he actually boasted about his personal creepiness and that he enforced it on his family. It's a bit surprising that this episode received less commentary, as it is indicative of a major character flaw.

As a beacon to the world, the US would be better off squatting on the tower of power than with a weirdo like Santorum as president.

Oh really? You sound like someone who reads DailyKos, didn't you get the message about Operation Hilarity?

While I realize that the GOP is adamant in its opposition of funding public education -- despite the long-term ramifications such a policy has toward global competitiveness -- surely, your coloring books depicting Jesus Riding Dinosaurs taught you that when citing primary sources, you should make sure that they support your argument?

Operation-Hilarity-Failed-Yet-It-Succeeded

So let me get this straight, in your world, the chances of "the one candidate who has a chance against Obama" is such a weak candidate that a small number of Democratic voters in Michigan is able to futz with his ability to secure the GOP nomination? Wow. I knew Republicans were shitting bricks, but I didn't realize that they were shitting so many bricks that they could build a Romney-sized mansion out of them, complete with a Romney car-elevator.

Oh really? You sound like someone who reads DailyKos, didn't you get the message about Operation Hilarity?

While I realize that the GOP is adamant in its opposition of funding public education -- despite the long-term ramifications such a policy has toward global competitiveness -- surely, your coloring books depicting Jesus Riding Dinosaurs taught you that when citing primary sources, you should make sure that they support your argument?

Operation-Hilarity-Failed-Yet-It-Succeeded

So let me get this straight, in your world, the chances of "the one candidate who has a chance against Obama" is such a weak candidate that a small number of Democratic voters in Michigan is able to futz with his ability to secure the GOP nomination? Wow. I knew Republicans were shitting bricks, but I didn't realize that they were shitting so many bricks that they could build a Romney-sized mansion out of them, complete with a Romney car-elevator.

Oh really? You sound like someone who reads DailyKos, didn't you get the message about Operation Hilarity?

There's HBGary who got caught in the act doing it:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/02/16/945768/-UPDATED:-The-HB-Gary-Email-That-Should-Concern-Us-All

PERTINENT QUOTES/EXCERPTS:

"According to an embedded MS Word document found in one of the HBGary emails, it involves creating an army of sockpuppets, with sophisticated "persona management" software that allows a small team of only a few people to appear to be many, while keeping the personas from accidentally cross-contaminating each other. Then, to top it off, the team can actually automate some functions so one persona can appear to be an entire Brooks Brothers riot online... And all of this is for the purposes of infiltration, data mining, and (here's the one that really worries me) ganging up on bloggers, commenters and otherwise "real" people to smear enemies and distort the truth... "

As you did to my post here -> http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2775589&cid=39629997

?

* Real "big trick" that - now, tell us why you downmodded my post instead, and, on computing technical grounds - no other trolling b.s. is acceptable!

(Which you'll doubtless do via your registered 'luser' account because logging out of it after doing a downmod burns the cookie tracking mechanism here, so you won't screwup your registered 'luser' account "karma").

I mean, do you honestly *think* people here don't KNOW the puny tricks trolls like you use to pull that off?

Guess again!

Plus, there's those here that use multiple alternate registered 'luser' sock-puppet accounts galore too... ask tomhudson = Barbara, not Barbie (that's one I KNOW does it around here using multiple accounts to do so).

It's not even ORIGINAL thinking for Pete's sake, lol!

E.G.-> There's HBGary who got caught in the act doing it:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/02/16/945768/-UPDATED:-The-HB-Gary-Email-That-Should-Concern-Us-All

PERTINENT QUOTES/EXCERPTS:

"According to an embedded MS Word document found in one of the HBGary emails, it involves creating an army of sockpuppets, with sophisticated "persona management" software that allows a small team of only a few people to appear to be many, while keeping the personas from accidentally cross-contaminating each other. Then, to top it off, the team can actually automate some functions so one persona can appear to be an entire Brooks Brothers riot online... And all of this is for the purposes of infiltration, data mining, and (here's the one that really worries me) ganging up on bloggers, commenters and otherwise "real" people to smear enemies and distort the truth... "

&

"The Chinese Water Army"

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Chinese-Water-Army-Posts-Comments-For-Anyone-Who-Pays-236294.shtml

* Each doing the same bogus sockpuppet crap, & they're ALL/EACH scum too - just like trolls like you that do the same here...

However - the BEST source of evidence of that going on/b>, especially on /., is probably the words of Mr. Bruce Perens on it:

"It just takes one Ubuntu sympathizer or PR flack to minus-moderate any comment. Unfortunately, once PR agencies and so on started paying people to moderate online communities, and to have hundreds of accounts each, things changed." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @03:55PM (#33089192) Homepage Journal

SOURCE -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33089192

APK

P.S.=> Good luck showing anything 'bad' on technical grounds in my original post, and apparently?

My later telling you better things to do than trolling here:

http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2775589&cid=39630545

Quite evidently "Got to you", & enough you had to "effetely downmod me" in retaliation, lol... weak!

... apk

at least that's what the liberals think.
read thru this diary and comments.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/04/05/1081111/-Marion-Barry-s-apologizes-not-really-for-racism

He was arrested after fleeing from police officers in Essex County, New Jersey, in 1998, pleaded guilty to hindering prosecution and obstructing justice, and was fined $1,574—which he was supposed to pay on a monthly basis. But by 2003 he had only paid $250, so after he failed to appear at an enforcement hearing, a bench warrant was issued for his arrest. He paid the outstanding balance less than a week later, but for some reason no one remembered to delete the bench warrant from New Jersey's statewide computer database.

My wife worked as a nurse at a detention center (inmates with 2 years or shorter sentences or those awaiting sentencing) briefly and is currently working at a state correctional facility. Anyone entering either facility type undergoes a thorough search to help keep contraband items out. Employees also go through a search (not quite as invasive as the inmates) as well. The search isn't meant to be "humiliating" but rather to protect all inmates and guards.

Given that Albert carries a letter of proving he paid the earlier fines, it seems that he must have run into a problem with the tracking system before. I don't have personal experience in this though so maybe someone can fill us in on how common it is to carry paperwork showing that past warrants were resolved. If I were Albert, I'd inquire with the courts as to why I was still listed in the warrant system.

How about instead of fleeing, you contribute?

If you'd rather be 'noble' and stay with the sinking ship, that's your business, but don't insult the intelligence of the rest of us by making it seem that regular Joe Schmoes can do a fucking thing to change shit right now, because that's pretty obviously untrue.

We're getting ready to head into a presidential election where the "left" is actually center and the "right" is actually "holy fucking shit I didn't know the scale went this far". Unless you're one of those sick fucking people that worship the dollar, cheer on the death of the uninsured, and/or pray to God for the death of all the gays, the United States is quickly becoming quite inhospitable. I know people that have been spit on here in Wisconsin...why? Because they're in a fucking union. That's all it takes for someone to hate your guts these days...and God Forbid you signed a recall petition against our current Governor Scott Walker, because the witch hunts are in full fucking effect, up here. To quote one particular comment on an article I read a while back (reporting the fact that the recall signatures were going to be made public in a searchable database, what a great fucking idea that was) "Now all of us employers and landlords will be able to see who the parasites are." We have to fight tooth and nail to find out who is donating to campaigns here in this state, we don't know where half of the legislation that gets voted on in our legislature originates, but dammit, we need to make sure those signatures go public so everyone can find out where we live and harass us over it.

How much more money should us 'little people' take out of our dwindling bank accounts to throw at this corrupt two-party system? How many hours volunteering and being involved politically should we tack on to our 80-hour work week? How long do we keep pretending that there's still something salvageable here?

Ah, Darrell Issa, who denied women from testifying at a hearing concerning women's rights...

With the recent crackdowns on behalf of the MAFIAA, and the uncertainty of cloud based storage (see the Jotform debacle) I think that the government is doing far more to advance "digital hoarding" than hard drive manufacturers and the ever-increasing size of hdd's.

I have about 4 TB's of external storage, and I've filled about 2.7 TB's of it so far just with stuff that I could stream or re-download but just don't have enough faith that the ability will be there tomorrow. Outside of my personal documents (which I would never trust solely to cloud storage, that's just begging to be screwed one morning after a bullshit domain name seizure) I have a ton of media I just do not want to lose access to again. Plus, add in the ISPs and their bullshit bandwidth caps and "throttling" these days, and you've got even more pressure to keep things local since streaming eats up so much fucking bandwidth.

I think there's a lot of potential with the cloud and streaming media, but it's being hampered by these 20th century media companies and their out-of-date business model. It's stifling innovation, but it seems our government would rather assist them in propping up their business plan than truly innovate. Probably because the innovaters aren't writing such large checks to make sure the government favors them like the MAFIAA does.

Operation Hilarity

Wow...idiots.

If Santorum becomes President, I now know who to blame.

Operation Hilarity

Omitting that that sounds like the sort of work from conservative hacktivists doing the usual feigned nitpicking.

conveniently committed the fact that 'burning tap water' had been an on-going issue for nearly a century?

Which is only a "gotcha" if the same faucet would have had the same flaming water before fracking commenced.

Sorry for the off-topic, but if you like aspartame, you're going to -love- Neotame, from our friends at a spin-off from Monsanto, approved years ago, but now being added to more and more foods. What's better yet is that it's -more- toxic than aspartame, and the FDA does NOT require it's presence to be noted on the label (it's so sweet, that it falls under the 1% rule). **One rumor to note is that the statements being made that it can be added to "organically certified" foods is false. Yes, it's pushed by Monsanto's spin-off, "J.W. Childs Equity Partners", but interesting to note that a senior adviser to the FDA is an ex-Monsanto lawyer, Michael Taylor...I'm sure there is little connection between Monsanto, Taylor, and J.W. Childs. More good news is that rumors suggest that Taylor may actually be in line to actually run the agency someday. All being said, they can put this crap in our food and there's no way to tell.

Hey, I'm corny and socially awkward, too! Where the hell is my venture capital firm?

Seriously, I think Mitt's unpopular because he's one heck of a flip-flopper who says quite a lot of mendacious things, not because of the way he looks or acts.

At least that's true for liberals. I suspect that, with conservative voters, he's probably unpopular because he's just not conservative enough.

Over at DailyKos, Wil Wheaton (CleverNickName) links to the techdirt article on this and puts in his own comments:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/01/21/1057058/-Chris-Dodd-threatens-politicans-who-arent-corrupt-enough-to-stay-bought?via=search

I just hope Chris Dodds et al doesn't decide that post constitutes "not paying any attention to me when my job is at stake.", and Wil loses out on anymore acting gigs.

Where it becomes bad is if they harass or in any way mistreat people who aren't threatening violence.

Where it becomes bad is that they harass or in any way mistreat people who aren't threatening violence.

FTFY

Is there any evidence that they're doing that?

It's called "Flying"
I envy you for not having to do so at all in the past decade, I truly wish I could say the same.
Since you haven't been there to see first hand, nor seen the news and stories of what's going on, here is the evidence you requested:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=europe-bans-x-ray-body-scanners

http://www.aclu.org/technology-and-liberty/tsa-pat-down-search-abuse

http://tsaabuse.blogspot.com/

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/18/1027775/-TSA-Arrests-Me-for-Using-the-Fourth-Amendment-as-a-Weapon-(Tales-from-the-Edge-of-a-Revolution-2)

http://www.prisonplanet.com/tsa-groping-out-of-control.html

I think the best illustration of your point is the fact that six Walmart heirs have as much wealth of the bottom 30% of Americans. Isn't it ironic that Sam Walton built a chain of discount stores that exploited workers (possibly forcing his employees to shop there because they couldn't afford anything better) yet ended up being fabulously rich despite the discounting.

They're no better than the "Chinese Water Army" shitheads, & are there to mislead/misinform others and to attack those who do not "play their game/are with THEIR program".

Don't believe it? Read this:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/02/16/945768/-UPDATED:-The-HB-Gary-Email-That-Should-Concern-Us-All

PERTINENT QUOTES/EXCERPTS:

"According to an embedded MS Word document found in one of the HBGary emails, it involves creating an army of sockpuppets, with sophisticated "persona management" software that allows a small team of only a few people to appear to be many, while keeping the personas from accidentally cross-contaminating each other. Then, to top it off, the team can actually automate some functions so one persona can appear to be an entire Brooks Brothers riot online... And all of this is for the purposes of infiltration, data mining, and (here's the one that really worries me) ganging up on bloggers, commenters and otherwise "real" people to smear enemies and distort the truth... "

and

"They are talking about creating the illusion of consensus. And consensus is a powerful persuader... And another thing, this is just one little company of assholes. I can't believe there aren't others doing this already. From oil companies, political campaigns, PR firms, you name it. Public opinion means big bucks. And let's face it, what these guys are talking about is easy."

and

"To the extent that the propaganda technique known as "Bandwagon" is an effective form of persuasion, which it definitely is, the ability for a few people to infiltrate a blog or social media site and appear to be many people, all taking one position in a debate, all agreeing, for example, that so and so is not credible, or a crook, is an incredibly powerful weapon."

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* They're out & out PIECES OF DECEIVING SHIT!

APK

P.S.=> They represent EXACTLY the type of people in this life I utterly FUCKING hate (& I am not "pulling any punches" on this one) - I call that "type" online "the NOT-men" (because they act more like WOMEN, than men, or @ least decent honorable men)...

... apk

No, they aren't. The ones who are howling with rage are being shunned by "mainstream" Democrats on message boards like democraticunderground and dailykos from what I hear. This guy even has a comic series about the phenomenon.

For example, a quick browsing of DailyKos yields this article claiming Obama is the best president ever.

I see your funny side and raise you "sad but true". The question is to ban things. That won't happen. Logically we won't do anything at all. reality has learned us that they will do the second best thing: Attempting to be 100% sure that there are no terrorists on any of it.

The best they will come up with is controlling who goes on any of it. So people using twitter will be monitored. People using phones will be monitored and their location will be noted as well all the time.

Roads and cars will be subject to random searches. State crossings will require paperwork and if you are on the list, you won't be allowed to pass.

Stuff you buy will be data mined to see if there is no purchases that could make a bomb.

With all that, Soviet Russia would seem like a paradise. With all that, Big Brother would feel like a dream to live for because it is less evil.

Be prepared to fight against it now or be prepared for things to get much much worse. Start doing your part like this person here. Start in any legal way that you can think of. Write it on facebook. Yell it in the streets.

Because if you don't and things get worse (and they will) then change will be bloody. Unless you are fine about it. Then please just moan and do nothing.

Just don't say later "we didn't know." And if you are in the military or police, blindly following orders is no excuse. (Godwin's Law if you get it.)

Just because it's not one of the other two, major parties, or one of the several minor parties, doesn't make it "a credible, nonpartisan ticket that pushes alternative centrist solutions to the growing problems America's current political leadership seems unwilling or unable to tackle." It makes it a different party, which is by definition partisan.

And practically every party claims to offer only "a credible ticket that pushes alternative centrist solutions to blah blah blah".

This new party might have something to offer. But painting it as a non-partisan effort is lying.

But what else do you expect from a party organized by the 1%? How about calling itself non-partisan while organizing itself as a party:

AE states that it is “non-partisan” in its approach, and also claims that it is not a political party. However, to get a ballot line in some States you have to identify as a political party. Also, their draft by-lawscontain this section:

“Section 7.2. Transition to National Organization. Pending the formation of state committees, the Board of Americans Elect shall be deemed to be acting in each state as an authorized state committee and to perform and exercise all duties, powers and responsibilities of a state committee as may be required by state law. In states where Americans Elect has met all statutory requirements to form a minor political party, such organizations shall be considered separate legal entities from Americans Elect, and shall be governed by the Board pending qualification as a national political party in accordance with law in the 2012 election.

You can expect secrecy and total control by its directing board:

This board is to have unfettered discretion in picking a committee that can boot the presidential ticket chosen by voters if it is not sufficiently “centrist” and even dump the committee if it doesn’t like the direction it’s heading.

Campaign finance reformers have already condemned Americans Elect for switching its organizational status under the Tax Code from political organization to 501(c)(4) social welfare organization. This change allows an organization to shield its donors. The group, which says it has raised $22 million of its $30 million goal, insists that it doesn’t have to be registered as a political organization, with publicly disclosed donors, because it is not a political party.

So it defines itself as a party to get on the ballot, but with a legal invention to fund itself as a "social welfare org" to keep its donors secret. It is known, however, that its $5M seed money came from a hedge funder. Its founding board has people who were Bush's EPA Director and previous FBI and CIA directors, among similar backgrounds.

Note that I am not saying that's any different from the other parties. In fact, I'm saying it's not any different.

TSA. Keeping you safe from terrorists like this one:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/18/1027775/-TSA-Arrests-Me-for-Using-the-Fourth-Amendment-as-a-Weapon-(Tales-from-the-Edge-of-a-Revolution-2)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/02/16/945768/-UPDATED:-The-HB-Gary-Email-That-Should-Concern-Us-All

Sigh you missed the point entirely, the point being - the human mind is not good at separating fact from fiction, truth from error, when's the last time you went and had your kids demons thrown out?

As to my main point:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/02/16/945768/-UPDATED:-The-HB-Gary-Email-That-Should-Concern-Us-All

Let's not be racist about it. The plant was designed by General Electric (GE nowadays). Immelt, slimy toad that he is, jumped in the media fray VERY early on, to do damage control:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/56fb5f92-4e0e-11e0-a9fa-00144feab49a.html#axzz1hguiUtBH

He offered help! He should have started by offering excuses! A group of GE whistleblowers were pointing out design flaws in that exact type of plant in the 970s! Design flaws which played a role in the accident, moreover:

http://www.iwatchnews.org/2011/03/15/3520/reactors-heart-japanese-nuclear-crisis-raised-concerns-early-1972-memos-show

also, this:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/03/15/956586/-Whistleblower-Expose-of-GE-Inspection-Coverup-RARE-EU-Authored-US-BWR-Damage-Report-?via=tag

Voting with your dollars works!

Unless of course it gets you arrested instead. GoDaddy would probably be thrilled if they could have people arrested for transferring domains to another registrar if too many people try to do so at once -- and don't be surprised if some future version of DMCA/SOPA/FUBAR actually includes such a provision, or at least language which can be twisted that way. Face it, folks, they're not going to quit pushing.

After reading about HBGary Federal's own work in Astroturfing software when they were hacked by Anonymous earlier this year I figured that everyone would be getting in on that action. Now that mainstream media doesn't have their death grip on the spread of information (or disinformation), the G-men in black suits standing off camera need to come up with other ways to cloud things.

Trying to cut off the internet completely would just result in the population going apeshit, so now they're utilizing shadier methods that are harder to detect. In reading some of the comments on news stories here in the states over the last year or so, I'm sure there are people doing this here as well. You can only see so many "NOBAMA 2012!!!" posts by people with names like Chuck17359 before you start to wonder if there is actually a human being on the other side.

Disprove the documented current facts from reputable sources I used here http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2551740&cid=38218414

Funny you avoid doing that eh? Can't be DONE is why!

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* And, Yes, I freely admit that I've been banned from sites (the majority not, but a few over a 17++ yrs. long time online since 1994, & for a few years with a gap before it in academia in the 1980's)...

See, this will doubtless "escape you", since you troll as AC, but...

I figure you haven't LIVED until you have been banned from a forums!

OR

Rather, lived LIKE A MAN with some balls + faith in what he says!

(E.G.-> One like myself that doesn't try to hide behind AC trolling posts like yours, or using multiple 'usernames' rather than being himself!)

Heh - Trolls do that latter & it's widely known:

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BBC News - Fake forum comments are 'eroding' trust in the web

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15869683

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OR HERE too (HBGary caught doing it)

An HBGary email that should concern you all:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/02/16/945768/-UPDATED:-The-HB-Gary-Email-That-Should-Concern-Us-All

PERTINENT QUOTES/EXCERPTS:

"According to an embedded MS Word document found in one of the HBGary emails, it involves creating an army of sockpuppets, with sophisticated "persona management" software that allows a small team of only a few people to appear to be many, while keeping the personas from accidentally cross-contaminating each other. Then, to top it off, the team can actually automate some functions so one persona can appear to be an entire Brooks Brothers riot online... And all of this is for the purposes of infiltration, data mining, and (here's the one that really worries me) ganging up on bloggers, commenters and otherwise "real" people to smear enemies and distort the truth... "

and

"They are talking about creating the illusion of consensus. And consensus is a powerful persuader... And another thing, this is just one little company of assholes. I can't believe there aren't others doing this already. From oil companies, political campaigns, PR firms, you name it. Public opinion means big bucks. And let's face it, what these guys are talking about is easy."

and

"To the extent that the propaganda technique known as "Bandwagon" is an effective form of persuasion, which it definitely is, the ability for a few people to infiltrate a blog or social media site and appear to be many people, all taking one position in a debate, all agreeing, for example, that so and so is not credible, or a crook, is an incredibly powerful weapon."

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* Nuff said, proofs in the pudding (via my usual style, documented proofs thereof of things I state, which you are welcome to disprove!)

APK

P.S.=> In the end, as per your stalking/trolling off-topic illogical adhominem attack using methods?

You're VERY easy to "dispatch" via documented facts + truths I use, & you only vindicate me vs. your off-topic illogical adhominem attacks even moreso, which ruins that for you also, easily (which only make you look a fool)...

... apk

racist conservatives were pissed that there was a black man in the white house

Well, that certainly explains why Cain is in the lead. He may or may not get the nomination in the end, but he is going strong at the moment. If someone doesn't know, Cain is black. Very black.

I would say that among conservatives Obamacare was Obama's greatest sin. Taxing people just because they are alive is unacceptable. If Obamacare is that great, why don't people join the program on their own?

We don't doubt you with your many alternate logons/registered luser names here. We all know that goes on here, and elsewhere online, so who are you fooling? No one. Your "little trick" isn't even original thinking: HBGary got caught doing it in fact:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/02/16/945768/-UPDATED:-The-HB-Gary-Email-That-Should-Concern-Us-All

"According to an embedded MS Word document found in one of the HBGary emails, it involves creating an army of sockpuppets, with sophisticated "persona management" software that allows a small team of only a few people to appear to be many, while keeping the personas from accidentally cross-contaminating each other. Then, to top it off, the team can actually automate some functions so one persona can appear to be an entire Brooks Brothers riot online... And all of this is for the purposes of infiltration, data mining, and (here's the one that really worries me) ganging up on bloggers, commenters and otherwise "real" people to smear enemies and distort the truth... "

In other words, you said "please spoonfeed, I don't know how to find information."

This is the first official statement of occupy wallstreet. Since it is the FIRST, and OFFICIAL, I would expect someone of your cantor to have read it by now:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/01/1021956/-First-official-statement-from-Occupy-Wall-Street

Here is Keith Olbermann reading the statement for you, if you can't read or need it presented by some media mouth to understand:

http://current.com/shows/countdown/videos/special-comment-keith-reads-first-collective-statement-of-occupy-wall-street

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Now that you know, you can quit saying you don't or that the facts haven't been shown to you.

And if the points made in that statement aren't immediately clear and simple for you to understand, I'll sum it up in three short points (that every OWS protester would agree with me on).

1) Corporations have advantages over people and private business that have led to massive exploit: remove the advantages.
2) Banks and wall street are deregulated to the point that exploit is evident across the country: regulate to the degree that most Americans can do well.
3) Possibly as a byproduct of 1&2, the politicians, and the legal structure they produce, in the US have been biased to drive benefit to those in the elite financial class: structure our country so that it economically makes sense for most Americans to find benefit.

It's not like you haven't heard a thousand times that politicians are bought and sold. Or that corporations are running this country. Or that corporations have advantages that have led to the blatant lack of free-market, and the abusive oligopolies/monopolies we face. You read Slashdot. You've heard these points and seen the facts for a long time, I hope.
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Or you can keep pretending that millions of protestors world wide have no idea why they 'agree' with the people that are with them... and that 36% of Americans that support the goals of OWS have no idea what those goals are (because you claim they have none).

Now you know.

According to this map, they are scattered everywhere. I wonder how much more effective it'd be if the 99% really dropped in on Wall Street and got their money back?

this: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/12/1025555/-Open-Letter-to-that-53-Guy

"We" are learning to find our own voice. Hence the Tea Party and OWS, which I am hoping will open a dialogue between the citizens and not the politicians - and it is happening already. Hence why corporations and big government are freaked out about our online freedom.

"The negotiation that matters isn't between radicals and traditionalists; instead it has to be with the citizens of the larger society, the only group who can legitimately decide how they want to live, given the new range of possibilities."
--Clay Shirky

The term "UFO" (while including the word "unidentified"), implies "extraterrestrials".

No, that's the opposite of a true thing. The term UFO was deliberately chosen by Ed Ruppelt of BLUE BOOK to avoid jumping to any conclusions about the origin of unidentified aerial phenomena and take the sightings purely at face value - as a reaction to the 1948 SIGN group's jumping directly to the embarrassing "extraterrestrial hypothesis", and then GRUDGE attempting to bury all unexplained sightings as conventional explanations.

If you've read some of the original ufologists, for instance Vallee and Hynek (Vallee is particularly interesting for Slashdotters as he is one of the guys who really did work on the Internet - his 1982 The Network Revolution is a brilliant prediction of today's forum culture, you'll find that they are very ambiguous as to the source of sightings, and even to what extent they are physical vs mental events. There are many features of actual UFO reports which don't translate at all well into the "nuts and bolts spaceships and biological extraterrestrials" lore that people brought up on fictional treatments from Steven Spielberg and Chris Carter might expect.

If you'd like to consult source documents rather than third and fourth-hand Hollywood folklore, some of the history of the SIGN group is described here: Saturday Night Uforia: Matters of National Interest. (This is not my blog, but I'm a fan. The author has a spinoff site here: Saturday Night Uforia - but it doesn't yet have all his old articles.)

This seems somewhere relevant here: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/10/1024591/-99:-A-Warning-to-OWS-and-the-Rest-of-Us

NASA uses a lot of tax money and, with a population whose general impression of resemasearch is that it just giving money to boring nerds in labcoats (ignoring the economy generated by products of past research), they must do regular "America #1, Yihaaaa!" performances in order to keep the population from objecting too much against NASA funding.

Well, what do you expect?

Also, it's pretty clear that Obama's core voters don't see space exploration as a priority or even a necessity.

Sure, Obama told the public that he will start a program for Mars and some gullible voters actually believed it. Of course anybody paying attention and having a memory realized back then that Obama's Mars-landing was even more unrealistic than Bush's Moon-landing.

Think of all the subsidized housing and foodstamps that can be bought with just one rocketlaunch. Americans want subsidized housing and foodstamps and that is exacly what they will get in the future.

Also, NASA lags behind in what really counts, so of course they deserve rigid cuts that hurt. Otherwise they will not learn their lesson.

Their manifesto reads like a laundry list of liberal platitudes.

Rather than advocating liberty by the likes of our founding fathers, Acton, Hayek, Paine, and others, they chant mindless Marxist quotes. This movement is creepy. They think they are fighting for "Freedom for the %99" but all they are doing advocating their own oppression. Their chants for "fairness" are nothing but hallow. They don't want fairness, they want a handout.

Read their manifesto. Covered up Inactive Ingredients? Are you kidding me? Education is a human right.. that no body should pay for? Undermined farmland through monopolization? Nonhuman animals?

And their solution to this.. is to give the government more power? Yeah. Great idea, there kids. They deny reality.

To meet any of their objectives means using force to coerce people to behave a way they other wise wouldn't (education mandates, different pay schemes, less free work laws, stronger privacy laws, etc) and if they are appeased it would only end up with even greater cronyism. They frame every problem entirely incorrectly.

The goal needs to be strip away power from government. That is the solution to cronyism. To give them more laws and regulation WILL just result in more cronyism and more "corporate and state" power.

They keep telling you. Why do you have so much trouble understanding
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/10/1024469/-But-what-do-they-want?detail=hide&via=blog_1

Eliminating "Economic Injustice" isn't a specific goal. It's a spongy buzzword which everybody gets to define that way that makes *him* feel warm and fuzzy inside. When it comes time to implement it, it falls apart when everybody suddenly realizes that they didn't really all agree on what needed to be done after all.

I want to know two things:

1) What are your problems? Not some random vague laundry list like "Wall street is bad," or "The rich suck." A short, specific, list of the things you believe are big enough problems that they warrant protesting over.

They keep telling you. Why do you have so much trouble understanding
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/10/1024469/-But-what-do-they-want?detail=hide&via=blog_1

2) What shall we do about them? Just whining that there are problems is not useful. Propose solutions. Real, workable, solutions. Understand what the tradeoffs for those solutions are (all actions have cost) and be ok with that.

I spent a day talking to people in Zucotti Park (otherwise known as Occupied Wall Street). They told me that they were in the process of deciding their strategies. That's the big job right now. Democracy is tedious. (The fact that the police wouldn't let them use a sound system didn't make it any easier.)

If you want a formal program with goals and outlines, try the Communist Party. They're better organized. They're up by Union Square.

If you can't identify what it is your goals are and how you might go about achieving them, then I can't really support you because I don't know what I'd be supporting. Also I don't think there is much chance of success.

It doesn't sound like this is the movement for you.

If you ever decide that your way isn't working, we'll be around. Look for the red flag.

The USA is not a police state. However, these stories are concerning because of the direction they suggest. Not that dodgy government watchlists are new or somehow confined to the US, but they show what can happen when law enforcement powers are not kept in check.

The biggest problem with these sorts of lists is because there are no working checks or balances, they are very easily abused for political intimidation. Don't think that happens? Of course it happens. Democracies are based on the assumption that informed debate amongst citizens leads to better decisions. When the government gets hold of easily abused tools like blacklists, it's not surprising to find random people who merely oppose the policy of the day end up being targeted.

I looked it up and found that John Adams signed a law mandating sailors to purchase health insurance. Here is a link to the law: 5th congress passed law and an article talking about it: daily KOS article So if precedent means anything it doesn't look like the law will be struck down. Though stranger things have happened before.

What's a "revolution"? The revolts in Algeria, Libya, Egypt and Syria this year? How about the people who have been "occupying" Wall Street the past week? Does getting maced by the cops for no reason at all make a revolt a revolution?