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Slashdot contains a lot of geeks; some of us are seduction geeks. Fast Seduction used to be a good place to start, if too much focused on the technical aspects just leading to getting a girl to bed; I don't know if it still is, I've restricted myself to private sites for a few years (and lately not even that).

This has all worked well for me - I'm getting married in a month :) (And yes, she does know about my studies.)

Eivind.

There are getting-laid-geeks. They mostly hang out at http://www.fastseduction.com/ (or used to, anyway - I've not been tracking that community for a few years.)

Eivind, living with his fiancee and getting married in September.

Notice how she's looking at you out of the side of her eyes. She's sizing you up. She's trying to see if you're man enough. This is an idealized, visual manifestation of bitch shields and shit tests. She's not angry...she's skeptical of the size of your sack.

Notice how she's looking at you out of the side of her eyes. She's sizing you up. She's trying to see if you're man enough. This is an idealized, visual manifestation of bitch shields and shit tests. She's not angry...she's skeptical of the size of your sack.

"to understand female behavior"

I'm guessing you're having problems with shit tests. http://www.fastseduction.com/guide/

Another 1960s experiment, in which ten soldiers on a training flight were told by the pilot that the aircraft was disabled, and about to ditch in the ocean. They were then required to fill in insurance forms before the crash -- ostensibly so the Army was not financially liable for any deaths or injuries.

They were actually unwitting participants in an experiment: the plane was not crippled at all. It revealed that fear of imminent death indeed causes soldiers to make more mistakes than usual when filling in forms.

It immediately reminded me of Stanley Milgram's Experiments. Where the test subjects are 'set up' and are tested on something different than appearances would indicate. They're tested in extreme conditions and caused such a shock at their time that I surely think they should be #1 on this list. I think Milgram started working on a really incredible part of human psychology: the unconscious rules that we live by so that our society can function. The weirdest part of what his research led to, imho, is that these un-knowing rules are so secretive; we hide them from ourselves. They have not been studied before, or since as far as I know. Until recently...
A group of Internet geeks got together on alt.seduction.fast and started working together to combine resources and model these secret behaviour rules in order to improve their success with women. They have had great success at what they call The Game. As these rules emerged they quickly realized that they are useful in all social situations rather then just the art of the 'pick-up'. Consequently several of these previous geeks are now somewhat superstars in their circles.
What's ironic to me though, is that knowledge of the built-in secret social rules be it Milgram's or the pick-up artists, does not translate to ease of their manipulation. There seems to be a built-in restraint component that does not go away merely because a subject knows it exists. As anthropologists would say, the system is protecting itself...

Now, when one starts to ponder what is often called 'High Level' game. Is it unusual for it to drift into analyses of people in the highest strata of society who use these rules to maintain their already dominant position? I don't want to go all 'Alex Jones' on this, but how much truth resides in conspiracy students who aren't content with staring at the surface veneer of the mass propaganda force-fed to us? Zeitgeist would translate more or less to 'spirit of the age'. Is Zeitgeist the true spirit of our age? Be your own judge, but be enlightened by the journey.
Thank you.

This site will not bring you love, but if you are just interested in a quick fuck it gives valuable input. Make sure to read with an open mind (i.e., don't overlook some of the advice because it is inconvenient, such as "make sure your body is in reasonable shape")

And no, I'm not talking about video game.

Eivind.

What you should do, is sign them up to David DeAngelo's Double Your Dating newsletters http://doubleyourdating.com/
Or send them to http://www.fastseduction.com/

That's because you're hanging out with the wrong kind of geeks.

You have to hang out with the guys that geek out on getting laid.

Okay, I suck. I read this story and thought it was referring to the other type of player. Admittedly I like quite a lot of feedback when doing that sort of playing too ;-) Oops, sorry babe.

You can do about it if you really want to.. it can take years but you can get hot babes too.. you have to learn lots of things. Some links:
http://www.fastseduction.com/ - the alt.seduction.fast news group.. a community that views getting women as a video game where women are black boxes
http://doubleyourdating.com/ - a must have for the right mindset, start with this
http://www.realworldseduction.com/ - another killer..
I must warn you again: you have to really want to change be successful. Get some friends from the community.

Yeah. Being a good 'second choice' makes you sexy. Not to be bitter here, but having been a good bet in the end has made me unbelievably unhappy in the past. Still does now, but then, I'm young. At 21 I had a girlfriend who wanted to get married. She was my first real gf. At 24 the same, and at 26 I'm single. I want to try out relationships with many people, to see what works, and the only women interested in me are the ones who want to get married. This pisses me off, and sends me to sites like this to see that, well, things are simple if you can just learn to be more cold, calculating, and manipulative. Which would be betraying myself in a number of ways.

Now. To your comment about 'pick of the litter.' I'm saying that there are probably three geek guys to each girl willing to date them. (money tilts things in the end) Women aren't attracted, naturally, to men who are intense. My favorite theory on this is from Swingers, "I don't want you to be the guy fromm the PG-13 movie who everyone's rooting for. I want you to be the guy from the R rated movie that you're not quite sure about yet." Nerds, generally, are the guys from the PG-13 movie.

It's really worth reading. Most of it is useful, except for some NLP crap that I consider to be BS.

But just reading the FAQ or the newsgroup posts won't get you laid. You have to start putting those techniques in practice; which could be intimidating or be seen as difficult to introverted or shy people (which I think most /.ers are at some degree)

Here's an example for those of you too lazy for the clicky. When she says "I have a boyfriend" it might mean one of 37 different things, including.

"I have a boyfriend... and I'm not interested in you". This is what you think it means.

"I have a boyfriend, and I will cheat on him, but I want it to be your fault, not mine. Telling you up-front absolves my responsibility."

"I don't have a boyfriend, but I don't want you to think I'm undesirable, so I'll lie"

...etc. Read, admit you're an AFC, and recover.

What's your mission?

To have sex with as many young, nubile women as I can before I die. Would this count a mission critical software?

Max

I swear on pain of a slashdot mob that I will not make a dime off this link - no referral money for me. But maybe this guy can help you figure out why the nice guy routine doesn't work.

Alternatively, look for "Double Your Dating" or "David DeAngelo" on the P2P networks. His e-books are good, but the audio stuff is better.

For another perspective: Click Here

Fair Disclosure: I was a nice guy, too. Now I know better.

"Giv[ing] gifts" and "saying the right things" doesn't work in real life. Don't get me wrong, that's what women want, they strive to dominate their men and they strive to make them supplicate to them, but usually most women will only end up fucking the guys that they haven't quite been able to dominate.

Read this.

http://fastseduction.com/mailbag/

http://nomoremrniceguy.com/forums/

http://intellectualwhores.com/

The first rule of being a player, and the one who gets all the chicks, is not to buy her drinks!

Informative? This HOWTO is awful!

How about this one?

-dk

A good website is fastseduction.com< /a>. The name might put you off, and the initial page will also try to put you off, but underneath is a huge wealth of knowledge on talking to people and making them feel comfortable.

Why Not "Just Be Yourself"

And apart from navigating that site there's also "Fast Seduction 101: Art of Pick-up and Seduction" that could also help you get laid.

It's not to be taken as a ruleset, it's like shaking your social world's knowledge and take a new view that not only conforms with what you think is right but also with can work for you.

But whatever you do don't say "Just be yourself", it's the lamest thing I've heard and I'm glad I'm past that thing. Hey, it doesn't mean I'm not myself, it simply means that there was a game I didn't know how to play and I know how to play now. Just being yourself does not explain those rules.

Now go out and game som women!

from uh NOT ESR...

turns out there is a LARGE body of very useful info online -- (and nerds can appreciate it.. unlike most "how to get laid for shy people" crap the methods are largely empirical/scientific -- you can read many tips/strategies with groundings in tested hypotheses and psych, NLP, etc. then read real stories of people who have tried them and succeeded). check it out, nothing to lose, except some wrist muscle, right?

(usenet) alt.seduction.fast
Pickup Guide - http://www.pickupguide.com
Fast Seduction 101 - http://www.fastseduction.com

good luck, happy bangin'... this stuff works. it talks about basic rules on how to carry yourself, body language, what to say to women and how to say it, basic attitudes, lots of war stories. interesting read at the very least

What you're looking for is probably the player guide

You need to check out Fast Seduction.

Yeah, it's horrible, flame away, but it works like you wouldn't believe. Good insights into the female mind. I played around with it as an experiment many years ago to help get my people and relationship skills up. It's actually sickening how well it works. 3 second rule is gold in all walks of life. And for gods sakes, get some new clothes and get a haircut and shave. $150 worth of weights and 45 minutes a week will change your appearance forever, and it MATTERS in interviews.

The feynman stuff is as true as EVER. You don't buy a chick anything. You should be trying to get her to buy YOU stuff. Now there's a challenge.

Treating social interaction as a grand experiment is a lot of fun, you might learn something, and maybe get some, too. :)

Along the same and more depressing lines, check out the Ladder Theory of male/female relationships. It's amusing, but has a ring of truth to it.

Good luck!

Well, there are sites such as fastseduction.com that provide guides that are based upon the premise that lust and love are remarkably similar and can be installed in people by using using certain patterns of behavior. Click, whirr, anyone?

.... when you can get better advice for free:

http://www.sosuave.com/ - this one is my favorite for content, but the interface sucks

I haven't looked at this one much, but it has potential.
http://fastseduction.com/guide/

and a couple more:
http://www.blowmeuptom.com/index2.html

http://askmen.com/

No, I wouldn't consider myself a player - far from it, but yes I do read these websites. You can always learn from others even if you don't agree with their philosophies. If you'd consider yourself more of a "niceguy" than a "player", you should still read this stuff and figure out what you need to do differently to start scoring.

Holy Christ that sucks. I know exactly what you're going through; I'm currently in the process of converting my best friend to my lover. It seems to be working but I'm such A FUCKING PUSSY about it that I don't have the balls to just tell her to fuck me. Like, Hey you, I'm gonna fuck your brains out right now. You need to head on over to fast seduction and read up a bit on the attitude required. Some of their stuff is misogynistic and bullshit, so you have to pick and choose.

What it boils down to for me is that I try and hold the "dirty" and "wrong" parts away from myself as if the only motives I have are morally pure and noble. But that cuts half of me off. We are all half man and half beast (read Steppenwolf by Hesse), and when you deny the beast half of yourself you come off like a fucking pussy. Sex is good, sex is right, sex is fun for everyone.

Besides, it's the beast half of you that is able to *seduce* a woman. You must *seduce* her, not reason with her and prove logically that you two should be fucking. You need to get her excited about being with you, and the way to do that is through sexual confidence. You need to convey to her that the fuck she's going to get from you is the very best fuck she's ever going to get. If you feel like a pussy, she's going to feel it and get turned off. Then when you talk about sex it's going to come off as creepy.

So (if you still want her), the next time you hang out, check out her ass. Do you want to fuck it? Check out her tits. Do you want to rip off her shirt and suck them? FEEL that. It's good and right and honest. It's OK to fuck like a beast; you're half beast anyway.

And stop jerking off; it's killing your chances. Get a nice big backload of sperm in there and you'll do ANYTHING to get laid. I don't mean be desperate. SEDUCE the woman. Make HER want to fuck YOU. That's what your roommate did -- he conveyed his sexual desires openly, she responded positively, now they're fucking. Women LIKE boners. They like GIVING you boners. If she gives you a boner, let her know. And be confident about it -- more "Let's fuck" than "I hope you fuck me."

Ah, what the hell do I know. I'm a fucking pussy just like the rest of you AFCs. The girl I want to fuck asked me to fuck her the other day and I basically said no. God, I'm a whiny bitch.

After testing, Sensei took a bunch of us out for beer and wings. Nice guy. Very loud, very smart in a Buddha-meets-Jim-Belushi kind of way. One of the junior students, who is kind of a sanctimonious, attention-seeking little guy, said something to the effect of "I don't think I should go to the advanced classes. I feel like I'm holding everyone back. I... I... I..." Sensei put down his beer, and said, "You think you're being humble, you think you're making yourself more worthy of attention by saying this. Fact is, this is your ego talking. You become so concerned with how inferior you are that your training suffers as a result. In fact, you become inferior because you think you are. So go to the advanced classes. Feel stupid. Screw up. Transcend your ego, and get down to business. Forget about 'you'. Think about what needs to be done and do it."

And this, friends, is how we all must be. We need to stop martyring ourselves to the lions of popularity and public opinion. We shouldn't "apply our intellects to playing the game." If we do that, we become the calculating, soulless PUA's and PHB's. We need to learn that the people who seem to cross social boundaries effortlessly do so beacuse they act as if those bounds do not exist.

Think about the last time someone, say, bumped you in the hallway. Did you brush it off, thinking, "maybe they were in a hurry"? Or did your ego take over, spinning the incident into a larger tapestry of us-vs-them, nerds-vs-jocks social conspiracy, all directed at keeping YOU down? If it was the latter, you need to reexamine how you relate to the world, and find a healthier way to do it.

• Have balls of steel. When you see an attractive women, approach her, immediately. Don't sit there and drool over her for months in the hope that one day she'll realise what a caring, sensitive intellingent bloke you are and fall into your arms. If you see a woman you want, and you don't have the balls to even talk to her, you don't deserve her, and you won't get her.
  
• Don't listen to what women say: watch what they do. Women say what they're supposed to say, not what they want. They say that you're such a nice bloke, but she doesn't want you, and she goes off to shag some bastard who treats her like shit. Actions speak, words are meaningless.
  
• Don't be desperate, don't fawn over her. Don't buy her things every day, and do everything she says. Make yourself unavailable, make her think you've got more exciting things to do than be with her, or even better, make her think you've got more exciting women. Success breeds success, the more women you shag, the more other women want you. If other women have shagged you, you're pre-approved to her.
  
• It's not what's on the inside that counts, it's what's on the outside. You may be a decent bloke who's good in bed etc, but if all you do is stand about feeling sorry for yourself, the women won't know that, they'll just think you're a loser. Sure, if you're fat and ugly, you could blame your lack of success on your lucks, and you could comfort yourself with the thought that your failure is due to women being shallow, but that won't get you results. If you're good in bed, if you think you can satisfy them in ways few other men can, make them know it.
  
• Don't be ashamed of your desires and your needs. When women sleep with bastard men, it's not because they're stupid, it's because they're not scared of their sexuality, they don't blush and hide away when talking about sex, as if it were bad mannered. Don't apologise for being a sexual being. So-called 'nice guys' turn off their sexuality, and come accross as dull and asexual. Good for a friend, but not for a fuck.
  
• Don't be their friend. Women don't fuck their friends.
  
• Don't be scared of failure. When you try it on with a women and fail, don't go and hide in your basement for 5 years in disgrace, go and find another women. Eventually, you will lose the fear of rejection (which is what holds most men back), and you will become successful.
  

No, alt.seduction.fast is dead. It used to be good, many years ago. Now it's just full of trolls, especially Ray Gordon.

Now all the regulars post at http://fastseduction.com/, a site which I recommend visiting. The difference with that site is that it tells you what actually works in practice with women, rather than what should work, or what people want to work. A lot of places will feed you a load of idealistic bullshit such as that being sensitive and caring will get you laid. The real story's here..

Y'know, wouldn't geek guys benefit from something like The Pick Up Artist Guide? I keep hearing good things about this stuff, but I just can't bring myself to act like such... such a marketing weenie, I guess.

Has anyone heard anything about PUA technique, good or bad? I'm kinda curious as to if all those newsgroup fellows are shitting me.

And hey, if you're chock-full of deception and evil, I'm sure you can test it out yourself. Gives me the crawling horrors, however.

--grendel drago

Spend a little time on the newsgroup learning why jerks get the girls ...then become one. Check the informative website (Fast Seduction) for the "Player's Guide" (read "FAQ").

Also, (despite this breaking one of the tenants of ASF) there is a free dating site at OtherSingles for any of you social hermits who happen to be feeling lonely at the moment. There are a few other sites like friendfinder and a MS affiliated one (who's name slips my mind currently) that have quite a few people on-board, but I believe they are charging.

Anyone know when a GNU Open-Dating project is going to be started. It seems like they have their hands in everything else (pun intended).

Posting anonymously because my ex has friends that regularly read Slashdot, and I don't want her to know how thrilled I am with single life. :)

I Got This Fucking Thorn In My Side Oh My, It's A Mirage I'm Tellin' Y'all It's a Sabotage

I'm suprised none of the conspiracy theorists on here haven't head a field day on this. Did you ever consider it might be a little suspicious this guy acting like this? I'd be really reluctant to expose my employer directly to legal problems like this unless I was POSITIVE there was going to be a problem, like, if we were in direct competition with my previous employer. Otherwise, who cares?

What if that guy was taping you, or is setting the company up for legal action down the road by his old company?

Getting legal advise here is like asking for tips on how to pick up women on slashdot. ask the pros, get legal counsel, you're a babe in woods if you don't have someone on retainer already. When I did lame-o contracts in college I had a contract lawyer, even. It doesn't cost that much.

You know far too much about fishing to actually have any!

And unless you found that "significant other who likes to fish" I'd say its about time you followed your own advice! ;)

I think your advice is mostly sound, however there are some areas that I think would warrant further explanation. Alas, I am at a loss for fishing metaphors! maybe these will help:

To hook the best fish, don't walk around like the ancient mariner with an albatross around your neck.

Be careful removing scales and watch out for choking on small bones.

Both Fish and house guests stink after three days.

Everything I know I learned from alt.seduction.fast

www.fastseduction.com

Turn from an average frustrated chump into a pick-up artist.

Hello.

I am a geek like you. I have been very shy most of my life. Please do not make the same mistakes I did.

Please DO SOMETHING to meet a girl!

I recommend you to read http://www.fastseduction.com/

> to be honest, getting girls has less to do with your mental
>ability and more to do with your physical ability.

I know this is off-topic, but...

Getting girls has most to do with your social skills.

How easy do you blend in society? How many non-geek friends do you have? Do you socialize often?

Do you enjoy talking to people and to girls, being in the middle of people, being in society?

If you interact very often to other non-geek people, are used to this, and you like it, then you can easily get a girl, even if you don't have a great body.

More information about getting girs can be found at:

http://www.fastseduction.com/

http://www.pickupguide.com/

RTFM at www.fastseduction.com...

Basically tell her "to enjoy the feelings that god has given her" >:) she didn't get them for nothing, did she? Then convince her "how pure it is and how deeply conncted she might be able to feel when she'd let her emotions go loose...." hehe.. then proceed to screw her and run like hell

... AKA "Let's Just Be Friends.

Check out those websites:

• http://www.pickupguide.com/ -- non commercial
• http://www.fastseduction.com/ -- non commercial
• http://www.ut.ee/~anton/layguide/ -- non commercial
• http://www.seduction.com/ -- commercial

... and don't hear the abhorred "LJBF" line ever again!!!

-- Nathan SZILARD

(From a former lonely geek now banging chicks left and right):

Useful resources:

• alt.seduction.fast
• http://www.fastseduction.com -- noncommercial despammified archive of the above newsgroup.
• http://www.pickupguide.com -- noncommercial compilation of advices
• Anton's PU guide -- noncommercial
• Ross Jeffries' Speed Seduction -- commercial

• alt.seduction.fast
• Open source info on picking up chicks
• Collaboratively developped guide HOWTO pickup girls

Stop whining, start playing!