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No, this is a Ukrainian copy of the Fox News show, the Five.
"But, Commies have been passing themselves off as MSNBC for years," complained the Ukrainian show.

I'm not a political supporter of Weiner, but it sure looks like he was set up by somebody.

Yes, he was set up by Anthony Weiner. Telling not just lies, but stupid lies didn't help.

Rep. Anthony Weiner: 'The Picture Was of Me and I Sent It'

And what's better, he has been caught again doing the same sort of stupid stuff.

Anthony Weiner admits to sending more lewd images, texts but vows to stay in mayor's race

There is something wrong with him.

Perhaps this is just sensational journalism, but there are situations like this found with regional pilots (not major airlines):

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/video/inside-airline-pilot-crash-pads-12874917

http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2012/02/01/confessions-regional-jet-pilot/

Admittedly this is for people who are trying to break into the industry and become established as opposed to those who are at the top of their game working for the major airliners, but if you want to become a pilot today and go through the steps to be qualified to become a commercial airline pilot, the path you must take today runs through these "crash pads" and comparatively low salaries. Note that few pilots start out from college or a decent air training school and go straight to major carriers. Former military pilots do get to count their flight time in military aircraft in a variety of ways for certified flying time, and some military aircraft definitely have civilian equivalents or certainly can compare in terms of general types that might get you into the major carriers after flying for the military for 20 years (necessary for retirement benefits), but not everybody can or cares to go that route either.

Airlines have also been gradually cutting salaries on their pilots and doing so in a variety of ways... with many of the airlines that paid the highest salaries simply going bankrupt (like Pan-Am... to name one airline in particular). I agree that life isn't nearly so bad as is sometimes claimed and a pilot who has been flying for 30 years can expect to be earning a pretty decent salary, but that is the end of their career, not the beginning.

Protip: The companies telling you to buy their vitamin supplements, many of them also big pharma companies.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2009/06/10/many-vitamins-supplements-made-by-big-pharmaceutical-companies/

There are hundreds of small firms, including niche players with only a few products. But they account for a slim slice of total sales, industry experts say.
The Pharma giant Wyeth, for example, makes Centrum and other supplements, and Bayer HealthCare of aspirin fame makes the One A Day line. Unilever, Novartis, GlaxoSmithKline and other big pharmaceutical firms also make or sell supplements.

Big pharma companies loves vitamin supplements because it reaps billions from idiots.

Is like holding a knife by the blade and say that you pretend to use it to defend yourself, odds are high that you will be the one hurt, specially (but not only) if you try to use it.

In my experience this type believes those two are interchangeable. They also tend to use that term for all folks of Middle Eastern or North African heritage and not just Arabs. This is likely because they are unaware other such groups exist. Bigotry and ignorance seem to be highly correlated.

Don't be rediculous. Anyone who reads about Islamic terrorism will be aware of the many white muslim terrorist. If anything they are to be despised more. At least those from Islamic cultures have the excuse that they are abused and brutalised as kids, taught that hatred and murder is good, and that non-muslims are evil.

I thought it was related to this story about how an astronaut washes their hair in space.

"This works really well for cancelling out advantages of size/weight/strength such as otherwise might be of concern to... I dunno... say, a skinny 16-year-old kid who's got a very big grudge against a high school teachers' lounge full of adults"

It also works really well for cancelling out advantages of size/weight/strength such as might be of concern to a handicapped person defending themself against an able-bodied attacker, or a woman defending her children against a larger and stronger man, or an elderly person defending themself against a younger and more capable attacker, or a single able-bodied man defending himself against multiple attackers.

There, fixed that for you.

meanwhile, back at the farm:
" In an almost cartoonish response to a relatively minor problem, employees at the obscure Economic Development Administration took a hammer to their computers, keyboards and mice in an effort to destroy all of the agency’s tech-related hardware after incorrectly believing their network had been hacked. "
  http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/07/10/us-agency-destroys-computers/#ixzz2Z9DF6GdH

Hundreds of people thronged the 75 telegraph offices remaining in the country to send their last telegrams to friends or family as a keepsake.

Some BSNL employees suggested that had the activity throughout the year been that high, the service would probably not have been ended.

Ah yes fall back on the UK. Where the police sit around watching a man get brutally hacked to death on the street with their thumbs up their asses waiting for more cops to come so they can stop it. http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/05/23/man-killed-in-reported-machete-attack-in-london/ . I'll take the us TYVM where we don't get hacked to death in the streets in front of everyone.

In fact, the 3rd amendment is the only one that I'm aware of that they haven't tried to violently violate, yet.

Nope, they're working on that one too: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/07/08/family-booted-from-home-for-police-detail-suing-with-rare-use-third-amendment/

you know it's bullshit, the money comes from the same budgets and the same guy can order both to do whatever he wants.

The Pentagon just argued that Seal Team 6 was on loan to the CIA when they went after Bin Laden,
which excuses their purge of almost all documents that could be requested by the Freedom of Information Act.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/07/08/bin-laden-raid-files-reportedly-purged-from-pentagon-computers-sent-to-cia/

The CIA, noting that the bin Laden mission was overseen by then-CIA Director Leon Panetta before he became defense secretary, said that the SEALs were effectively assigned to work temporarily for the CIA, which has presidential authority to conduct covert operations.

"Documents related to the raid were handled in a manner consistent with the fact that the operation was conducted under the direction of the CIA director," agency spokesman Preston Golson said in an emailed statement. "Records of a CIA operation such as the (bin Laden) raid, which were created during the conduct of the operation by persons acting under the authority of the CIA Director, are CIA records."

It doesn't even matter if they're lying, as its unlikely anyone will get punished or dragged before a Judge.

I understand your attraction to the single payer model. It is true, they could have tried to go that way, but I don't think there was enough political support to do it. There are other ways they could have gone as well that might have been better than what they got. Instead Congress passed a bill on a pretty much party line vote that was whatever they could scrape off the wall in the hopes of just passing anything and then patching it up after it passed. I guess we'll find out what the consequences are.

PRUDEN: Obamacare called ‘The fiasco for the ages’

You might find some irony in this:

Richard Nixon -- the last great liberal

Nixon was not only a fervent supporter of the Clean Air Act, the first federal law designed to control air pollution on the national level; he also gave us the Environmental Protection Agency. The creation of the EPA represented an expansion of government that would face fierce opposition were it being debated today. The EPA is also one of the agencies on Capitol Hill that the business community most detests—along with the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, which polices working conditions. OSHA is another Nixon creation.

Herbert Stein, chief economic adviser during the administrations of Nixon and Gerald Ford, once remarked: “Probably more new regulation was imposed on the economy during the Nixon administration than in any other presidency since the New Deal.”

How many remember that Nixon was a champion of affirmative action? “Incredible but true”, as Fortune magazine put it in 1994 when Nixon died, “It was the Nixonites that gave us employment quotas.” Though many credit John F. Kennedy or Lyndon Johnson with initiating affirmative action, it was rather Richard Nixon who first sanctioned formal goals and time frames to break barriers to minority employment.

Social Security benefits, a cornerstone of the Democratic Party platform, were also crucial to Nixon’s policies. He ushered in a minimum tax on the wealthy and supported a guaranteed income for all Americans, a move that would rile today’s Republicans to unprecedented heights.

And finally, consider health care: Nixon’s proposed reform would have required employers to buy health insurance for their employees and subsidize those who couldn’t afford it. Nixon’s version of national health care was a far more liberal concept than Bill Clinton’s or Barack Obama’s—and it failed because of Democratic opposition, not lack of support from Nixon’s own party. (Ted Kennedy later said that opposing Nixon’s health-care plan was one of his biggest political regrets.)

There are still merely-self-interested insiders: It's practically a tradition for Mr. Sleazy McSales to abscond with all the customer data when he accepts a position with the competition, and his engineering counterparts to lift design docs and the like for the same purpose.

IMO, lifting contact info is just not a big deal, in much the same way that bringing your Rolodex with you has been the norm for decades. If your business has such poor customer loyalty that the mere knowledge of your customer list puts it in jeopardy, then your business should die to make room for more worthy competitors.

As for lifting engineering designs, if your competition does much of anything with those designs, they run the risk of running afoul of the law, and can get into serious trouble for it. That's why when Pepsi was offered Coca-Cola's trade-secret formulas, they reported the leaker to their competitor.

This is not to say that there isn't very short-term usefulness to keeping secrets about products that have not yet been released, but if you're really concerned about that, it is an easily solved problem: give all your employees a 12-month paid do-not-compete clause, in which they aren't allowed to work for your competition for a period of time, but you pay them as though they were still working for you. This eliminates that risk almost entirely, while still being fair to the workers.

Your view about "insurmountable barriers" is interesting. Sometimes one's political views form the basis for that, and no amount of evidence helps.

Here you go, knock yourself out. The police call transcript and map are helpful, as is various aspects of the other material.

Map and timeline of incident

Trayvon Martin shooting death -- initial police reports and '911' call transcript

Witness: Trayvon Called George Zimmerman A ‘Creepy-A**,’ ‘White, Kill-My-Neighbors Cracker’

Zimmerman trial blockbuster — Eyewitness says Trayvon on top punching Mixed Martial Arts style
Zimmerman Trial Day 5 – Analysis & Video – State’s own witnesses undercut theory of guilt
Zimmerman Trial Day 6 – Analysis & Video – State’s witness Chris Serino seriously undermines charge
Zimmerman Update Exclusive — Mid-Day 8 — State Wins Evidentiary Battle, Loses Testimony War
Zimmerman Case: Experts Call State’s Scream Claims “Absurd” “Ridiculous” and “Imaginary Stuff”
Zimmerman Prosecution’s Voice Expert admits: “This is not really good evidence”

GMA Shows Exclusive Images Of George Zimmerman’s Head Injuries From Night Of Trayvon’s Death
Autopsy results show Trayvon Martin had injuries to his knuckles

Trayvon Martin's legal troubles reportedly covered up by police
Has State Opened Door to Defense Introducing Martin Fight Video?
Zimmerman judge excludes Trayvon Martin fighting, social media and marijuana use

Lest we forget: NBC News Apologizes for Editing George Zimmerman's 911 Call (Which falsely mad Zimmerman appear to be racist.)

Zimmerman Case: The Five Principles of the Law of Self Defense

"Edward Snowden Files For Political Asylum In Russia"

That was yesterday's news, sorry. Today's news, is that he's not.

...the charges were dismissed. And they would have gotten away with it, too, if it hadn't been for you meddling internet watchdogs:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/28/charge-dropped-against-student-who-refused-to-remove-nra-shirt/

can't think of the last time I've heard of a Justice saying that he personally detests the ruling but 'this is what the law says'. They all seem to join or dissent with the ruling that they prefer and back themselves into an argument to support it, which is antithetical to the job description. Somebody please prove me wrong on that.

How about the most recent pisspoor decision? http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/28/supreme-court-upholds-individual-mandate-obamacare-survives/

"Roberts stressed that the decision does not speak to the merits of the law. "We do not consider whether the act embodies sound policies. That judgment is entrusted to the nation's elected leaders," he said. "

Surely food stamps for the few who need them is better for the economy than distorting the entire market for energy.

One external cost of energy is the cost of air pollution, up to $1,600 per person annually in health care costs, missed work, and so on. A market cannot work efficiently as long as these costs are shifted away from those who are directly involved in the transaction (the buyer and seller) and towards others (people who breath air) who neither sold nor consumed the energy but had to breathe the dirty air from it.

You can have a market completely free from government regulation or one that's as efficient as possible, but not both at the same time. Which do you choose?

You aren't up to date with the news.

NSA chief defends surveillance, says helped prevent terror plots more than 50 times since 9/11

Alexander, speaking before the House intelligence committee, said the programs "have protected the U.S. and our allies from terrorist threats across the globe," pointing to the intelligence community's ability to better connect the dots as a reason why there hasn't been another 9/11-style attack.

Specifically, he said they helped prevent terror "events" more than 50 times in more than 20 countries since 2001. Alexander said he plans to provide details on all the cases to lawmakers in a classified setting on Wednesday.

Electric cars are subsidized now by governments. As soon as they start being successful, the governments will start taxing them, too!

North Carolina, and at least 9 other states, are considering taxing hybrid and electric car owners (other sources available) to help make up for revenue those drivers aren't paying in gas taxes on their fuel-efficient vehicles. In addition:

New Jersey scrapped a plan to charge vehicles by miles traveled amid push back from media and legislators, opting instead for a flat fee on electric cars.

Oh - I suddenly believe the new story.

"The statement that a single analyst can eavesdrop on domestic communications without proper legal authorization is incorrect and was not briefed to Congress,"

What does "proper legal authorization" mean? Weasel words... you're right about propaganda. You're wrong about making it partisan... both parties are complicit in this.

I still believe the NSA is wiretapping at will without warrants specifically identifying individuals and cause. Even seizing just metadata is wrong.

We see the same thing over and over - some whistleblower reveals evidence, the claim is denied. But the evidence is still there. They've already started demonizing Snowden:
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/comment/2013/06/edward-snowden-nsa-leaker-is-no-hero.html
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/dick-cheney-blasts-nsa-leaker-edward-snowden-traitor-chinese-spy-article-1.1374229

They even got to his dad:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/06/17/exclusive-father-edward-snowden-urges-son-to-stop-leaking-come-home/

Referring to the Fort Hood and the Boston attacks is particularly cynical (and lunatic), since neither of them was prevented by any NSA surveillance - nor was 9/11.

You are correct. In both cases there were warning signs and warnings. In the case of Hasan, it was out there for all his peers and superiors to see but they all ignored it.

"There were all sorts of ... comments made throughout the year that made me question his loyalty to the United States, but nothing was done," said Finnell, who recalled one class during which Hasan gave a presentation justifying homicide bombings.
"The issue here is that there's a political correctness climate in the military. They don't want to say anything because it would be considered questioning somebody's religious belief, or they're afraid of an equal opportunity lawsuit.

Russia swears they warned us about the Tsaranev boys but strangely our government says it was "vague." Anyway, it sounds like a congressional boondoggle trip will find the answers. The FBI acknowledges it but says nothing suspicious was found. Humm, what happened to the old days? I can imagine J. Edgar Hoover (probably in women's underwear - ewww, reminder I need to patent that mental bleach idea I have been working on.) assigning a couple of agents to follow these two for at least a couple of months but did the government by looking at the data the NSA had dismiss them as suspicious?

But you touched off a thought I was having regarding what Prism is/isn't. Anyway, I'm wondering what the network map looks like for the Tsarnaev brothers regarding their communications. Since a friend to the Tsarnaev brothers was shot late last month by an FBI agent it brings a little more thought into this NSA program and the concept of "Six Degrees of Separation." Given that you or I may be only a few people away from knowing the Tsaranev brothers, does that make us suspects or possible terrorists? I know somebody who knows somebody who knows somebody that knows X and X does bad things. That to me in and of itself isn't a link but something like a Heat Map of my contacts would probably put a better focus on those relationships. I guess from the government perspective they're the only ones that know with a 50/50 chance that they can assume that I'm a foreign national. They have call detail records (CDRS) and Internet data to correlate, so what are they doing with the data and models projected from that data? I'm also thinking right now that there are a lot of folks in the academic community who'd like to have this data so they can start pulling apart more insight into social behavior.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/06/10/cannot-trust-obama-government/

It has been reported that this program has helped to stop some of those attempts.

A program that doesn't exist has been given credit? Doubleplusgood!

I didn't realize that people where cheering so loudly over the disclosure of something that doesn't exist. Doubleplusodd.

CBS News has also reported that the so-called PRISM program, that tracked Internet activity, helped foil the plot to detonate bombs in the Grand Central and Times Square subway stations during rush hour. -- more

Well, look on the bright side comrade, maybe next time the bombs will get through. The question is, will it be London, Paris, Rome, or Washington? Or maybe a truckbomb in your town?

Never fear, Rand Paul is going to take the fight to the Supreme Court!

Just as soon as he gets Congress to repeal all the laws they passed to prevent anyone from challenging this shit when Bush was doing it.

This is the first time smug US citizens find out what the rest of the world feels like.

You mean yawning at headlines set in 50 point type? This is stuff we already assumed was going on.

I'm amused that Fox News is now taking aim at Obama from the left. Of course, if a Republican ever makes it back to the WH, then anybody opposing this type of program will once again be out of their minds, or maybe not on our side.

OP is an ivory tower guy. He has no idea how abusive the police and the district attorneys can be in real life.

What? It's not like they'd drive someone to suicide.

The United States doesn't really have a left-wing party.

That is a mistaken idea commonly held by people without a strong understanding of the American political system and politics. The US does in fact have a full political spectrum from left to right, including real, honest to Lenin and Marx Communists , and Communist Party. (More than one, actually.) It even includes people who have been willing to go the Stalin or Pol Pot route (see below after reading the rest of this). The difference is that people in the United States generally won't vote for Communists if they understand that is who is running for office. That is why many on the hard left camouflage themselves by rhetorically moving to the center and refer to themselves as progressives, or some other label, to merge into the larger body of the moderate left. If they make it into government, they are forced to govern by incrementalism using ordinary political means since they gain office by votes, not by revolution.

When Emeritus Isn't Automatic

"I intend to vote against conferring the honorific title of our university to a man whose body of work includes a book dedicated in part to the man who murdered my father, Robert F. Kennedy. There can be no place in a democracy to celebrate political assassinations or to honor those who do so."

Who is BILL AYERS? (This page has link to download the Prarie Fire political manifesto referenced below.)

William Ayers says Weather Underground, Boston bombings not same

William Ayers' forgotten communist manifesto: Prairie Fire

We are a guerrilla organization. We are communist women and men, underground in the United States for more than four years. . . .

...We need a revolutionary communist party in order to lead the struggle, give coherence and direction to the fight, seize power and build a new society.

And more....

The Weather Underground openly discussed exterminating 25 million Americans who refused to be "re-educated" into communism...

... I bought up the subject of what's going to happen after we take over the government. We, we become responsible, then, for administrating, you know, 250 million people.

And there was no answers. No one had given any thought to economics; how are you going to clothe and feed these people.

The only thing that I could get, was that they expected that the Cubans and the North Vietnamese and Chinese and the Russians would all want to occupy different portions of the United States.

They also believed that their immediate responsibility would be to protect against what they called the counter-revolution. And they felt that this counter-revolution could best be guarded against by creating and establishing re-education centers in the southwest, where we would take all the people who needed to be re-educated into the new way of thinking and teach them... how things were going to be.

I asked, well, what's going to happen to those people that we can't re-educate; that are die-hard capitalists. And the reply was that they'd have to be eliminated. And when I pursued this further, they estimated that they would have to eliminate 25 million people in these re-education centers. And when I say eliminate, I mean kill. 25 million people.

I want you to imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of which have graduate degrees from Columbia and other well known educational centers, and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 2

And the IRS was not politically targeting conservative groups.

Just to make sure everyone understands that is sarcasm:

Lawmakers say IRS targeted dozens more conservative groups than initially believed
A Frequent Visitor to the White House
Enemies List: IRS Wanted Names of Tea Party Members
What's going on between the IRS and True the Vote?
Criticism of IRS grows amid allegations of targeting beyond Tea Party
The IRS’s Tea-Party Targeting

And the IRS was not politically targeting conservative groups.

Just to make sure everyone understands that is sarcasm:

Lawmakers say IRS targeted dozens more conservative groups than initially believed
A Frequent Visitor to the White House
Enemies List: IRS Wanted Names of Tea Party Members
What's going on between the IRS and True the Vote?
Criticism of IRS grows amid allegations of targeting beyond Tea Party
The IRS’s Tea-Party Targeting

Left? the US doesn't have a left. it has a right and far right.

That is a mistaken idea commonly held by people without a strong understanding of the American political system and politics. The US does in fact have a full political spectrum from left to right, including real, honest to Lenin and Marx Communists , and Communist Party. (More than one, actually.) It even includes people who have been willing to go the Stalin or Pol Pot route (see below after reading the rest of this). The difference is that people in the United States generally won't vote for Communists if they understand that is who is running for office. That is why many on the hard left camouflage themselves by rhetorically moving to the center and refer to themselves as progressives, or some other label, to merge into the larger body of the moderate left. If they make it into government, they are forced to govern by incrementalism using ordinary political means since they gain office by votes, not by revolution.

William Ayers' forgotten communist manifesto: Prairie Fire

We are a guerrilla organization. We are communist women and men, underground in the United States for more than four years. . . .

...We need a revolutionary communist party in order to lead the struggle, give coherence and direction to the fight, seize power and build a new society.

And more....

The Weather Underground openly discussed exterminating 25 million Americans who refused to be "re-educated" into communism...

... I bought up the subject of what's going to happen after we take over the government. We, we become responsible, then, for administrating, you know, 250 million people.

And there was no answers. No one had given any thought to economics; how are you going to clothe and feed these people.

The only thing that I could get, was that they expected that the Cubans and the North Vietnamese and Chinese and the Russians would all want to occupy different portions of the United States.

They also believed that their immediate responsibility would be to protect against what they called the counter-revolution. And they felt that this counter-revolution could best be guarded against by creating and establishing re-education centers in the southwest, where we would take all the people who needed to be re-educated into the new way of thinking and teach them... how things were going to be.

I asked, well, what's going to happen to those people that we can't re-educate; that are die-hard capitalists. And the reply was that they'd have to be eliminated. And when I pursued this further, they estimated that they would have to eliminate 25 million people in these re-education centers. And when I say eliminate, I mean kill. 25 million people.

I want you to imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of which have graduate degrees from Columbia and other well known educational centers, and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 25 million people.

Who is BILL AYERS?

William Ayers says Weather Underground, Boston bombings not same

CNN's front page has a link (under "trends") to a devoted page.

Fox doesn't have any thing on the home page, but it's World page has this.

NBC's home page has a link to its story.

I don't know about those other ones, but certainly Mao.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/23/white-house-christmas-decor-featuring-mao-zedong-comes/

Are you fucking kidding me? A close-up of a Christmas tree ornament, on the White House tree one year, that was painted by someone in a community organization (one of 60 that the 800 ornaments were sent to), and it includes a microscopic reproduction of Mao on it, among other pictures on that same ball - and that's your support for the argument that "the media is fawning over Mao"?

Get a grip, dude. You're living in an alternate reality where everyone that doesn't agree with you must be looking to install a Communist dictatorship, and you need psychiatric help.

I don't know about those other ones, but certainly Mao.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/23/white-house-christmas-decor-featuring-mao-zedong-comes/

And also, there is at least some anecdotal evidence that progressives do indeed support IRS bullying of political speech so long as it isn't their speech.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wzuEOr2D8wo

(Slightly unrelated - I think the word "progressive" in the political sense is horribly used. It gives a self righteous implication that your own view is whats best for progress, without consideration that it might be wrong. For example, groups that have labeled themselves progressive include the prohibition movement as well as the Nazi party.)

And this is just the tip of the iceberg. There's lots more where that story came from.

These machines not only provide, supposedly, security for our air travelers but they also provide fun and entertainment
for the TSA employees as well.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/05/06/tsa-worker-arrested-jokes-fight-size-genitalia/

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/woman-body-scanned-times-tsa-dallas-airport-cute-figure-article-1.1022803

http://www.infowars.com/ex-tsa-screener-officers-laughing-at-your-naked-image/

We all knew this kind of stuff would happen and it has and let's not forget the guy who really pushed these forward
was at one time in charge of the DHS, Chertoff, represented rapidscan... http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2010/01/airport-scanner-scam

This whole excercise will be looked back upon with two possible outcomes: Rational beings will once again govern and they'll be looked upon as an assault on civil liberties or The status quo will be maintained into the future and you won't be able to go anywhere, be online and transact any business anywhere without at least 20 or thirty government snoops tracking your every movement. Frankly the way things are going, the latter is probably the outcome we'll all be living with shortly.

You know, until that happened, you'd just be a tin-foil hat wearer, without a shred of credibility to you. Actually, you still are. But thanks to the colossal mistake of a couple of people in the IRS and Obama's total and complete inability to deal with a scandal, that singular act has managed to make the tinfoil hat crowd look more credible than the government.

Well, you know what, okay. Out of the thousands of times Obama and the "rabid liberals" have gotten it right, after six years of constant, sustained, unending attempts by the Republicans to find something, anything, to sink Obama even if it means repeatedly punching themselves in the face (Comeon guys, with all the major issues out there, your party platform for the previous four years has been trying to ensure Obama didn't get re-elected. Petty much?)... I suppose yes, with that much scrutiny eventually something had to pan out.

So take this one, singular victory. Have it, it's yours. You can feel righteous for a bit now -- you have a right to be upset

Well, that's mighty white of you. You are indeed a generous spirit.

True Scandal - A tea-party group ... gets attention from the IRS—and the FBI, OSHA, and the ATF.
The IRS Fiasco Is Only The Tip Of The Iceberg
A Frequent Visitor to the White House

...Douglas Shulman, Commissioner from 2008 to 2012, during the Obama administration, visited the White House 118 times just in 2010 and 2011. His successor, Steven Miller, also visited “numerous” times.

Lawmakers say IRS targeted dozens more conservative groups than initially believed

The IRS targeting of conservative groups is far broader than first reported, with nearly 500 organizations singled out for additional scrutiny, according to two lawmakers briefed by the agency

IRS Admits Targeting “Tea Party” Groups
The New Nixon This time, the press cheered as the IRS investigated the president's opponents.
Tea party groups call IRS process 'nightmare'
IRS approved liberal groups while Tea Party in limbo
Curious IRS Timing - Did the tax agency also target groups that support Israel?
Obamacare + IRS = gangster government
7 Questions That The IRS Inappropriately Asked Of Tea Party Groups
The IRS’s Tea-Party Targeting - An apology, but no explanation
Did The IRS Try To Swing Election To Obama?

Jon Stewart and Steven Colbert

The Fisker Hybrid fire you posted about wasn't from the EV components. It was theorized that it was from an exhaust component

Perhaps. But let me first talk about the fire that destroyed parked Karmas after they were flooded by a hurricane. They burned up because a short in the system, caused by conductive seawater. The ICE was not involved in that fire.

Now we can look back at the fire in the parking lot in Woodside, CA. Per the latest news, the fire was caused by a fan. In every standard car, the fan would not be under power when a vehicle is parked; and even then there would be a fuse. You can say that it's an outcome of a bad design, done by people who don't know a thing about making cars. (Outside of Henrik Fisker, we don't know who was and who wasn't good enough there.) Perhaps Karma's karma caught up with it.

It's the same that happened with Top Gear's review.

I did not mention that because, IMO and from what I know, it was a clear setup just for publicity and shock value.

I doubt that half the charge was 'lost', it was more likely under reported because the battery was cold, giving it the appearance of less capacity.

Per the evidence, it was lost. Tesla support people *thought* it was underreported, but all that the reporter did, per Tesla's advice, only led to further depletion of the battery. In the end, the car ended up on a flatbed. In hindsight, there was probably something that the reporter could do - like driving back to the supercharger right from the hotel. But he was advised to act differently.

Unless there's a spark it's not going to do anything

Tantalum capacitors will provide that spark aplenty.

I question the high discharge - water isn't that conductive

Water in rivers and ponds is quite conductive because it contains lots of salts that are leeched out of the soil. Agricultural runoff doesn't help either. In terms of the current, it all depends on how much surface is exposed to the water, and how much of that will etch away during the electrolysis. Of course, the seawater is an instant short.

There's far more than fuel from an IC car that will pollute the water.

There is very little of those other liquids, and many of them are alcohol-based, perfectly soluble in water. Only the gasoline has potential to harm the ecology. But when a car falls into a water, it's usually not damaged, so the gas tank will remain intact. Damage to fuel pipes will not result in pollution because the fuel pump is not running.

even if they don't trip DC doesn't electrocute people like AC does.

DC is just as dangerous as AC, on average. At those voltages (375V) the contact will result in 3rd degree burns (if you are lucky and the path doesn't go through the heart) or ... well, then you don't care anymore.

you might get a lithium fire underwater, but at least that's not horribly toxic.

Most of the Lithium will remain inside the battery, and the car will be lifted out of the water shortly. Any danger that comes from that battery will be short-term (emission of poisonous and/or explosive gases, and thermal effects on humans inside the car.) Water may not provide sufficient cooling because it is a reagent in the reaction that produces steam. Here is a good technical video that demonstrates what happens and what gases are generated. Here is the MSDS on LiOH - it will be in generated gases, and it will kill the occupants of the car if they breathe it in. LiOH has only a short window of danger, though, because it will quickly dissolve in water. Other generated gases will come

And did this allow the wire tapping of his parents and Fox employees? Taking their PHONE records? There was more to this than some emails. Of course it was OK to lie about the circumstances to the court to obtain the warrants when they knew Rosen wasn't possibly a criminal "co-conspirator" as shown by, Surprise! Surprise!, No charges filed. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/05/23/correspondents-association-concerned-government-too-aggressive-in-tracking/

LOL, no, if you voted for Romney the government would have engaged in unconstitutional wiretapping anyway. Everyone wants to expand government powers when they're in charge then rein them back when they aren't.

My problem with Fox News and their supporters is their embarrassing inconsistencies on this issue. Roger Ailes said in 1988 that leakers should be tortured and executed, and Fox News personalities have consistently declared war against Bradley Manning, Julian Assange, and Wikileaks because they weren't real news organizations. It's the leftists who defended Bradley Manning and also Fox News. Just read everyone who supports Fox News. Even the New York Times got Fox News' back: "With the decision to label a Fox News television reporter a possible ''co-conspirator'' in a criminal investigation of a news leak, the Obama administration has moved beyond protecting government secrets to threatening fundamental freedoms of the press to gather news." So not only are you wrong about the right, you're also wrong about the left. I guess you must be a GOP.

And about the IRS scandal. Remember when four Republican congressmen asked (and received) a three year IRS probe into the NAACP for saying bad things about President Bush? LOL.

Seriously, the GOP and its supporters should adopt a worldview that's at least internally consistent. The leftists do a better job of it than the right. The GOP argues that we should preserve the Constitution then argues that we should strip American citizens of their Constitutional rights because they were accused of being a bomber. PLEASE THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK!

Perhaps I missed it, but how was this murder terrorism?

I thought everyone was familiar with the process thanks to the Saturday morning cartoons, but perhaps some of you Delinquent Terrorees need it spelled out.

After a crime or crime-like event, what'll happen is that someone on the Terroree Committee announces their IBA (Intent to Become Afraid). Another committee member seconds this, possibly after some out-of-band side-dealing. This brings the terror (small "t") to the floor, where a wider discussion ensues. If seven ninths of the committee supports Afraidity, then goes to the larger Terroree Assembly for more debate and ultimately a straight majority vote. (I'm oversimplifying here, but I'm not sure how much detail you were requesting.)

If it wins the vote, it is promoted to a Terror (large "T"). A Terror's actors become "terrorists" and the action "terrorism" and so on. If no motive for the terrorism is found (no one comes forth and explains their demands and that they performed the act in order to persuade the public to see things their way, the classic boilerplate being "I committed that violent action in order to prove that my views are the wisest views") then something can be made up -- technically after being sent back to the Terroree Committee. To save time, the original committee's meeting may come with a non-binding suggested motive, and after the assembly's Terror vote, a popular Terror will often immediately proceed to a vote on the suggested Terror Motive.

All members of the Terroree Assembly agree, as a condition for joining the assembly, that they will comport Afraidity with any and all Terrors, without exception, and regardless of however they voted upon the original terror (the "Mandated Afraidity"). This helps to address charges of illegitimacy, so that we don't have a repeat of the Cole incident (where it languished in Terror Court after passing the assembly (with high absenteeism) and a poll of the assembly members found that 87% of its members hadn't been Afraid).

The Mandated Afraidity, while once thought of as draconian and overburdensome, is now widely accepted thanks to a notification network which helps to keep assembly members up-to-date and informed about exactly what to fear, how to persuade the public to comport Afraidity, etc.

Perhaps if the West wasn't murdering civilians with their drones on a near daily basis, these two muslims might not have been so angry?

No, you've got it all wrong. You see, the Sunnis will be quite happy if you cheerfully massacre a few Shi'ites for them, and the Shi'ites won't consider it a big deal if you blow up a few Sunnis into the afterlife every now and then. You just have to be clever and concentrate on killing Muslims of only one of those two kinds, and then live in barracks close to the housings of the other kind, or otherwise you'll be meeting angry Muslims on the streets instead of the jubilating ones.

Alternatively, both Sunnis and Shi'ites will pat you on the back and buy you a beer if you bring them a scalp of an Ahmadi. That's one of the few things they can agree upon.

Not following the news (retractions) much? That same audit targeted liberal groups with equal opportunity -- it did focus on organizations with political-sounding names, but didn't pick bones about which side of the fence that organization was on.

I'm sorry, but you are completely wrong.

IRS approved liberal groups while Tea Party in limbo

WASHINGTON -- In February 2010, the Champaign Tea Party in Illinois received approval of its tax-exempt status from the IRS in 90 days, no questions asked.

That was the month before the Internal Revenue Service started singling out Tea Party groups for special treatment. There wouldn't be another Tea Party application approved for 27 months.

In that time, the IRS approved perhaps dozens of applications from similar liberal and progressive groups, a USA TODAY review of IRS data shows.

As applications from conservative groups sat in limbo, groups with liberal-sounding names had their applications approved in as little as nine months. With names including words like "Progress" or "Progressive," the liberal groups applied for the same tax status and were engaged in the same kinds of activities as the conservative groups. ...

Lawmakers say IRS targeted dozens more conservative groups than initially believed

The IRS targeting of conservative groups is far broader than first reported, with nearly 500 organizations singled out for additional scrutiny, according to two lawmakers briefed by the agency.

IRS officials claimed on Friday that roughly 300 groups received additional scrutiny. Reps. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., and Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, said Tuesday that the number has actually risen to 471. Further, they said it is "unclear" whether Tea Party and other conservative groups are being targeted to this day.

I see the date on your poll is May 20 2013.

Fox News poll: Obama ratings dip, voters say government 'out of control' - Published May 21

After a week of revelations about government spying on reporters and the Internal Revenue Service targeting conservatives, most voters feel “like the federal government has gotten out of control and is threatening the basic civil liberties of Americans.”

At the same time, a new Fox News poll finds disapproval of President Obama’s job performance is above 50 percent for the first time in a year, his honesty rating is at a new low and half of voters already think he’s a lame-duck.

More than two-thirds of voters -- 68 percent -- feel the government is out of control and threatening their civil liberties. About one quarter disagree (26 percent).

Nearly half of Democrats (47 percent), as well as large numbers of independents (76 percent) and Republicans (87 percent) feel Uncle Sam is taking liberties with their liberties.

Those who identify with the Tea Party movement, one of the groups targeted by the IRS, are among those most likely to say things are out of control and civil liberties are being threatened: 92 percent of Tea Partiers feel that way.

I would like to think that you value civil liberties enough that you wouldn't stand behind this sort of behavior even if it does have popular support. After all, Nixon enjoyed considerable popular support well into Watergate. What kind of government do you have when the government can select significant segments of the population to disadvantage and harass them based solely on their views regarding the policy they wish to see enacted by peaceful means at the ballot? Normally that sort of behavior is going to come from a country with a different style for the leader, such as Il Duce, El Presidente, or El Caudillo, or perhaps Generalissimo. I'd prefer to not have that sort of language applied to the President of the United States.

Since you enjoy music I was going to have a bit of fun with you by linking this earlier in the post, but I'll play it straight. I enjoyed this:
Arthur Prysock - What a difference a day makes
Salud

You are some kind of clueless.

17yo male defending his mother: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/11/27/florida-teen-fatally-shoots-father-in-desperate-attempt-to-protect-mother/?intcmp=trending

17yo alone defending himself: http://www.10tv.com/content/stories/2012/06/08/mansfield-17-year-old-shoots-man-who-broke-into-home.html

A 14yo and 17yo defending themselves: http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/10544178/

12yo girl alone defends herself with her mother's Glock: http://www.kxii.com/home/headlines/Twelve-year-old-Bryan-Co-girl-shoots-home-intruder--174678431.html

15yo girl defending herself: http://gunssavelives.net/self-defense/15-yr-old-texas-girl-scares-off-two-burglars-with-her-dads-gun/

11yo girl defending herself with her own rifle: http://www.krqe.com/dpp/news/crime/Girl-loads-rifle-to-spook-burglars

Boy defending himself in a home invasion / murder event: http://www.khou.com/news/neighborhood-news/Webster--2-charged-in-home-invasion--196306051.html

This was 5 minutes of looking. The list goes on and on. There are PLENTY of reasons for mature children and teenagers to know how to use firearms. One of the biggest reasons is the simple fact that it educates them in what freedom actually is.

Just for fun, here is a 13yo girl using a pistol, shotgun, and fully automatic rifle in competition: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yd4B77PkeaU and here she is talking about the specific firearms she used, https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TXYdzPiF4xc

LF

Silly, paranoid people! Why, it's like they believe they live in a country where:

• The IRS routinely conducts spite audits of the President's enemies.
• Or sicks the FBI, ATF and OSHA on them as well.
• Where the DOJ can seize the phone records of reporters without a warrant.
• Or where the DOJ illegally seizing the health records of 10 million Americans.
• Or where the government gave weapons to Mexican drug lords in order to make the case for gun control.
• Or where a leading Democrat publically stated she wanted to confiscated the guns of all Americans.

Silly, paranoid gun owners!

Thank God we live in America rather than that paranoid, nightmarish, Orwellian police state!

I'm enjoying a chuckle at the moment.

Richard Nixon -- the last great liberal

Herbert Stein, chief economic adviser during the administrations of Nixon and Gerald Ford, once remarked: “Probably more new regulation was imposed on the economy during the Nixon administration than in any other presidency since the New Deal.”

How many remember that Nixon was a champion of affirmative action? “Incredible but true”, as Fortune magazine put it in 1994 when Nixon died, “It was the Nixonites that gave us employment quotas.” Though many credit John F. Kennedy or Lyndon Johnson with initiating affirmative action, it was rather Richard Nixon who first sanctioned formal goals and time frames to break barriers to minority employment.

Social Security benefits, a cornerstone of the Democratic Party platform, were also crucial to Nixon’s policies. He ushered in a minimum tax on the wealthy and supported a guaranteed income for all Americans, a move that would rile today’s Republicans to unprecedented heights.

And finally, consider health care: Nixon’s proposed reform would have required employers to buy health insurance for their employees and subsidize those who couldn’t afford it. Nixon’s version of national health care was a far more liberal concept than Bill Clinton’s or Barack Obama’s—and it failed because of Democratic opposition, not lack of support from Nixon’s own party. (Ted Kennedy later said that opposing Nixon’s health-care plan was one of his biggest political regrets.) . . .more

Government regulation can become unduly burdensome for the intended purpose. I remember reading about a reform in government travel regulations a number of years ago that helps illustrate. The government was spending about 30% of the travel budget ensuring that there was no waste, fraud, or abuse in travel, which struck many people at the time as a form of waste, fraud, or abuse. The regulations were changed.

President Obama's stimulus plan has faced many hurdles, rendering it ineffective. A Stimulus Project Gets All Caulked Up

I'm enjoying a chuckle at the moment.

Richard Nixon -- the last great liberal

Herbert Stein, chief economic adviser during the administrations of Nixon and Gerald Ford, once remarked: “Probably more new regulation was imposed on the economy during the Nixon administration than in any other presidency since the New Deal.”

How many remember that Nixon was a champion of affirmative action? “Incredible but true”, as Fortune magazine put it in 1994 when Nixon died, “It was the Nixonites that gave us employment quotas.” Though many credit John F. Kennedy or Lyndon Johnson with initiating affirmative action, it was rather Richard Nixon who first sanctioned formal goals and time frames to break barriers to minority employment.

Social Security benefits, a cornerstone of the Democratic Party platform, were also crucial to Nixon’s policies. He ushered in a minimum tax on the wealthy and supported a guaranteed income for all Americans, a move that would rile today’s Republicans to unprecedented heights.

And finally, consider health care: Nixon’s proposed reform would have required employers to buy health insurance for their employees and subsidize those who couldn’t afford it. Nixon’s version of national health care was a far more liberal concept than Bill Clinton’s or Barack Obama’s—and it failed because of Democratic opposition, not lack of support from Nixon’s own party. (Ted Kennedy later said that opposing Nixon’s health-care plan was one of his biggest political regrets.) . . .more

Government regulation can become unduly burdensome for the intended purpose. I remember reading about a reform in government travel regulations a number of years ago that helps illustrate. The government was spending about 30% of the travel budget ensuring that there was no waste, fraud, or abuse in travel, which struck many people at the time as a form of waste, fraud, or abuse. The regulations were changed.

President Obama's stimulus plan has faced many hurdles, rendering it ineffective. A Stimulus Project Gets All Caulked Up