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I wonder if this is the first wave of the new ideas Daniel's got for the Microsoft crowd. (see here for the backstory)

What is the big deal? The bug was fixed last week on Gentoo.

http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98121

Luckily there were some Gentooists recompiling their systems packages every so often, since the vulnerability was found by the Gentoo Linux Security Audit Team here. I've always thought the the more projects making use of the same library, as well as, the platforms a project is ported to eventually improves the quality and stability of the code. In this case the security was improved, but in general the abstracted parts of the code improve.

What took 'em so long?

Gentoo announced the bug July 5th and had the patch a day later.

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-356659.html

Over the last couple of years I've been slowly migrating away from Windows. The only thing that keeps me dual-booting is DVD Shrink. I finally got that working in Wine (thanks to this guide on the Gentoo Forums...

Windows XP is the last version of Windows that I will ever use.

--Ajay

Although I don't have a book to recommend, I can offer this advice. Use Gentoo. It's model is pretty secure to start with. You only install what you need, not what the distro thinks you need.

I have better alternatives myself...

Tom

I did file a bug.

Nothing much has happened. STATUS is still "NEW" and there has been no activity or comments by others.

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3473

Original bug:

http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93866

Since filing a bug didn't help, and isn't even generating any activity, yet Xorg has tons of free time as evidenced by these eye candy plans, now I'm bitching.

I am not doing something against Xorg, I am providing constructive criticism. If they fix these show stopper bugs, X looks good - if they don't - X looks bad and people will stick with or switch to Windows.

I've seen other posts out there...mostly on the gentoo forums...and no one seems to be able to find the problem with this...has been happening to me almost a year now...

Affects nvidia cards, ppc, x86, ATI cards....etc

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I've seen other posts out there...mostly on the gentoo forums...and no one seems to be able to find the problem with this...has been happening to me almost a year now...

Affects nvidia cards, ppc, x86, ATI cards....etc

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I kinda don't want things to just work, I want to struggle with them (just so I can actually learn what I'm doing). With that said, however, I was following whatever documentation on the gentoo site (I just went back to find it, and I can't find the exact page I WAS on, but I see it's still part of the "hardened" gentoo install documentation: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/hardened/selinux/sel inux-x86-handbook.xml?part=1&chap=7 ). Chances are there was a new way to do it and they hadn't gotten around to updating the documentation (I'm positive I was reading right from the install documentation when I ran into this problem.)
,br> Anyway, thanks for your help. :]

As far as I know, that's the completely wrong way of doing it. You want to build a kernel module for it via /usr/src/linux/.config (i.e. make menuconfig) and then follow the instructions here for the 2.6 kernel. (The first part of the guide also goes over building the kernel module.) Good luck! :) Also, I'd like to make a shameless plug for Ubuntu, where most things Just Work ;)

Lets look at Gentoo's Financials. Do you think HP donated that 500 bucks all by themselves or was that the combination of all the vendors? :) I think HP also loaned them some hardware.

I say FUD. HP is doing plenty to support linux, as well as development. They sponsor:

- Gentoo ,GNOME,
- Linux International
- Free Standards Group (the LSB is a workgroup of these guys)
- the OSS Institute
- OSDL, Kernel.org
- etc.

HP has many people hacking the linux kernel. Of course, IBM is doing great stuff as well, but you sketched the situation in a much too black & white way.

Ok Mr. Big-Bad BSD boy. How about giving Gentoo a fair shot.

This recent flame war between Linux and BSD needs to stop now. Look at them both this way; @least they arn't Windows (Which also has it's advantages)

I love both BSD and Gentoo Linux - and I can stand Windows. I'm glad every true geek isn't as small minded as yourself!

In other words, if you want it, get cracking, get it to the point where it's viable

In other words, if you want it, get cracking, get it to the point where it's viable

This looks interesting. Could you please explain to me how to do it? I also happen to be running linux (gentoo in fact) and would like to know if such a thing was possible.

Can you compile a complete Gentoo for a slower alpha on a fast dual i386 box? Real question here.

You can use init.d in a non-braindead way.

Or , so at least we'll be able to make "compiling...." jokes about it.

"The Gentoo Foundation and the developers all agreed to it because of everything he'd done."

Not exactly. The Foundation members were appointed by Daniel. The rest of the 200+ developers had no say in the matter.

He originally said he'd transfer the copyrights and other IP when the foundation was established.

Fast-forward a year later:

http://archives.gentoo.org/ml/gentoo-trustees/2005 /04/msg_00005.xml

Daniel ran store.gentoo.org and kept an unknown amount of profit in exchange for the IP.

"Seemingly there's no scandals as Robbins managed to finalize the transfer of all Gentoo's IP to the Gentoo Foundation, Inc."

This isn't true. He has agreed to, if his lawyer approves the deal, but we are still waiting for him to transfer all IP and the domain name gentoo.org

Here is the Gentoo Not-for-profit mailing list archive and you'll see there is no mention of it yet.
http://archives.gentoo.org/ml/gentoo-trustees/

I don't run Windows, you insensitive clod! I run Gentoo!

And I don't play Freecell, I play BZFlag!

Your describing Gentoo's package management system, Portage.

Your describing Gentoo's package management system, Portage.

As regards dependency hell, could a user friendly system like Symphony use Gentoo's Portage system, or Fink? Seems even an idiot like myself can use simple commands to do complicated things like:

# emerge --update --deep openoffice

Or get a copy of the GIMP without worrying about GTK+ dependencies, or Azureus without getting the JRE with a separate instruction for download and compiling.

After emerge you just have to track down the executable for the program after it's compiled. The compiling could even be hidden on a separate virtual desktop as an option to users who don't want to see things they don't understand.

I know it's not as idiot-proof as Apple's .app system, which seems clean and quick, but it's in use already, and Gentoo already has a substantial software library at its site Gentoo.org, so much so that I know OS X users who wouldn't use the system without Fink - which is different but comparable.

I see the case for considering this thread an advertisement, but if something is standards compliant and user friendly by design I think it's a good move for Linux spreading its market share. I think it's quite possible to give a good free system to new Linux users which is better and more fully featured than Lindows/Linspire, which I never liked despite the promise of Click'N'Run (CNR).

Just as soo as I finish compiling the last versi... Ooops, wait, wrong distro.

This is great news for everyone, especially 64-bit users. Like you, I use Gentoo with an AMD64, and use the 64-bit firefox browser build. We've been trying to get Macromedia to port it to 64-bit through various email requests but we haven't received any replies.

Hopefully we'll be seeing great new things from GPLFlash soon.

Ok. So you would pay good money to get DRM ON your computer? Quite the opposite for me. Its your money though I guess, and the closest thing is this....

"emerge phrack-all"

Or, for alternatives, http://packages.gentoo.org/search/?sstring=phrack

I may be somewhat biased as I'm posting from Gentoo currently, but I agree with you that the "recompile everything for speed" theory that some associate with Gentoo doesn't hold much value. At the same time, I think the number of people who actually use Gentoo for this reason are a minority.

You mentioned that some of the people you've encountered using Gentoo have turned you off of it, but in my experiences, the Gentoo Forums are an awesome resource to which I've yet to find an equal.

The main reason I use Gentoo is for portage, it really is that good. I was lured in by quick, painless updates to everything, and it's everything that I expected it to be and more. I run an emerge --sync and emerge -uD world once a day and all my software is updated -- awesome. I was using Mandrake before and was often frustrated that I had to wait ~6 months between software updates (excluding security updates), or I'd have to go out and install all of the new software separately, which IMO is far from ideal. Also, the included software on the CDs for Mandrake is good, but it pales in comparison to what's available in portage. I'm running stable (x86) and have noticed that all of the software is extremely stable (hence the nomenclature I guess) and well tested, which is always a plus. There is still ~x86 for packages still in testing though.

Really, I can't say enough good things about portage. Highly recommended.

No, it's not. It's not about me being able to sign stuff, because I won't have the private key.

That's how the whole system works -- it's protecting the copyright cartel's "digital rights" from you. To them, you are the enemy. If you had the private key, you'd be able to decrypt whatever you wanted, which wouldn't make the system very good for protecting "their" content, now would it?

Semantic web is not something you can thing of as a concrete application nor we can consider it mature. As you surely read, semantic web is an extention of the current web. So I can link you to firefox or some HTML editor. Joke aside, it is more complicated than that and if you want to embrass semantic web you should get to know XML, RDF and OWL (in this order). In fact, if you are not working to build sw, you should consider another approach. I suggest you to look at RSS there and foaf which are IMHO concrete, but limited, examples of semantic web working examples.

As a web developper... try to generate web pages from RDF (mindswap as some tools) or XML (ala gentoo) source.

Overall, Linux on laptops for power management is at the mercy of the laptop's ACPI implementation, the DSDT tables in particular. However, broken DSDT tables are fixable, thankfully this need not be done by each end user, and could easily be automated by a distro install.

The other sticking point is generally hardware suspend/resume, laptops vary wildly in the quality of their implementation of this. Again, if you have a lemon of a laptop, there's still Software Suspend 2, which most have good success with.

Overall, Linux is ready for most laptops, but it's great to see major vendors putting the polish on for their laptops.

There is indeed a softmod for this available for Linux, I found it through the Gentoo Forums: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-310871.html

This is funnier

Spotlight turns out to be a major pain for many users because it can't be turned off and insists on indexing volumes each time they are mounted.

Just how did this AC arrive that the "many users" thing? Was there a poll among all Tiger users? How about "some" or "a couple" or "a few" or "one or two guys I just happened to know" instead? Sort of changes the whole story, right? This sort of thing is one of the reasons why people are turning away from the tradition media: They are sick and tired of everything being hyped. Please, just the facts, OK?

For the record: I use Spotlight on my aging iBook G4 800 MHz and don't see any speed problems. If anything, Tiger is a lot faster than Panther was (and my hardware doesn't even support those nifty Core whatever features). If you are that much into speed tuning, I suggest looking into Gentoo.

So to complete your argument, the overwhelming positive and pre-dominant use of BitTorrent (which I am by no means suggesting does not exist) would be...?

This may be of some use:

http://xorg.freedesktop.org/X11R6.8.2/doc/fonts.ht ml

These may help with your next question ;-)

http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/unicode.html

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/utf-8.xml

With free software I am a user, the software a tool. My data and programs are my own to do with as I please.

If requested, HP will provide a CD-ROM with a customized and Debian-based Ubuntu Linux free of charge. ... According to HP in Europe, the Ubuntu Linux project is currently limited to EMEA - a region that tends to be more receptive to Linux than for example the US - and aims to demonstrate that a Linux desktop can be easily transferred to a notebook. ...

The company was not able to say, if the program will be extended to the US in the future.

And check out this beatiful crontab from the Gentoo forums:

What's In Your Crontab?

You could start here and see if that helps.

Gentoo Linux Installer

2005-04-12 16:39:15 Linux box in a tub full of vegetable oil (Hardware,Hardware Hacking) (rejected)

..so why was it not accepted then? I found this story from here

Not really, you can install linux on a mac, it is not as good as it wouild be on a pc, but it could be done.

I got my OS from these guys...and I didn't pass the Genuine OS test :(

Am I the only one who read Gentoo's webpage? There is clearly a discussion about a cow there! Why they're talking about a cow is beyond me, with a name like Gentoo, but whatever.

--LWM

PS (Thanks for the penguin bit, guys!)