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Re:well
I was hoping you would bite.
Registry hack enables Windows XP security updates until 2019
by Mark Tyson on 27 May 2014, 11:12Bazinga!
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Exactly what kind of fix?Exactly what does it mean the fix is in hardware? One option is, it means the microcode updates that Intel have made for current CPU's (and which have performance impact) has been preloaded into the CPU (i.e. part of the built-in microcode). This would be very easy for Intel since the microcode has already been validated (not the same as fully bug-free as the increase-reboot-frequency-saga shows!) so it is just a matter of pre-loading what they already made. This will make it seem built-in from a consumer point-of-view and of course it is beneficial that you are not dependent on a BIOS loading it. Yet, it is not really a huge evolution in addressing the problem and won't improve performance so I won't call it a true hardware fix. Could Intel have made more sophisticated updates? I think there will be at least some true hardware fix. We know Intel knew about this problem in spring 2017 so they have had some, although limited, time to make changes. Also, Meltdown is currently only mitigated in software, not with microcode updates so probably this requires some real silicon update so we know they can't just be building-in the microcode update in order to "mitigate in hardware". It also doesn't seem to be that difficult to fix in silicon - just insert the permission check earlier in the pipeline. It should have no functional consequences because they already have this check later in the pipeline but it avoids the speculative execution. Such a fix will probably also have much less performance impact than the current operating system level mitigations. Intel Icelake taped out in June 2017 http://hexus.net/tech/news/cpu... so there would have been some time for a last-minute tweak like this, even though it would have been very rushed to get through validation. But it is also strategically important for the company, so certainly possible! It could even be it was already easy to switch to the more conservative strategy using just a configuration option when synthesizing the core. Or it could be Intel started on the mitigation even earlier because there were already reports in 2016 that address space randomization could be compromised due this aspect of the architecture. Even though it was not possible to read actual data from user space using that attack, maybe it prompted Intel's engineers started working on disabling the speculative aspect of meltdown.
I think Spectre is much more difficult to fix (or at least try to mitigate) in hardware so here I think it is more likely the microcode update is simply built in. It could be there are some tweaks here and there that might make the new features exposed to the operating system work better etc. but I doubt it is fully mitigated in hardware, at most it is some evolutionary change on top of the microcode update fix.
But given Meltdown has the biggest performance impact, it is also the most important to fix. And as mentioned, I think that is very feasible.
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Re:Buy now or wait?
The AM4 platform is slated to be supported through 2020, with at least three generations of Zen based cores per the press releases when Ryzen launched. It's nice to see the second generation already on the horizon but it does appears to be coming on a 12nm process whereas the original roadmap appears to have claimed it would be 7nm.
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Re:FOOF
Make you next processor a VIA one.
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Filter USB?
With a dongle : http://hexus.net/tech/news/per...
With some Linux 'firewalls' : USBGuard, https://github.com/dkopecek/us... , USBauth, https://github.com/kochstefan/...
Nice paper on LWV, that's still paying this week but will become free after 8 days as usual : https://lwn.net/Articles/73830...
HTH,
HervéBTW : anyone in region 06 in France wishing to share shipping costs for the dongle?
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Re:Well Done !
Russia is making their own chip. And I don't blame them! Chips made by US companies cannot be trusted.
https://www.siliconrepublic.com/comms/russian-cpu-debut-us-tech-breakaway
http://hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/71357-russia-building-baikal-processor-replace-amd-intel-chips/
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Re:UK?
Hexus is reporting that Carphone Warehouse will be the UK exclusive distributor. So it'll be available, but possibly not where you'd like it to be.
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Re:Keyboard/mouse coming soon
For those who are worried (or gloating) about control equality, keyboard and mouse control will soon be available for the Xbox.
Hmm, maybe I'll actually be able to play on my son's Xbox now. I just can't get used to the controller.
WASD + mouse is too ingrained, plus I grew up with the simple NES controller.
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Keyboard/mouse coming soon
For those who are worried (or gloating) about control equality, keyboard and mouse control will soon be available for the Xbox.
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Re:My problem with AMD
Please see here for the information you requested thanks.
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Re:My problem with AMD
This is just dripping with FUD. Several big players in the server market have already announced they'll be shipping products with AMD's CPUs. If you couldn't find any server CPUs from AMD in the recent past its because they didn't bother making any after a point because their Bulldozer architecture was so much of a failure that they left that part of the market. Just look at the Wikipedia article that lists their server chips and notice that the pretty much stopped after 2012 outside of a few ARM or Jaguar-based parts that were for micro-servers.
Also, the last time AMD put a dent into Intel, Intel started fighting back in a large number of ways that were later found to be illegal. Celebrate and relax, indeed. -
Re:One word
Even flash memory improvements seem to be slowing down, but that may be that demand is huge and increasing.
No, charge storage scales even worse than switching—and everyone agrees. Flash has recently been kept on life support by staggering efforts in bit-error management.
Thus all the research funds right now (ST-MRAM, carbon nanotube NRAM, STT-RAM, CBRAM, not to mention Intel's new TMium) are being funneled into bulk resistive technologies, such as the chalcogenides.
The charge bottle is dead. Long live the fickle dendrite!
The problem with silicon was written about extensively in 2016 (this only a decade after the frequency free-lunch had already ended, and five years after the power-scaling free-lunch started being served up in Continental-breakfast portion sizes).
TSMC Plans New Fab for 3nm
Focus Shifts To Architectures
ITRS roadmap predicts end of process miniaturisation by 2021
Transistors Could Stop Shrinking in 2021
Alchemy Can't Save Moore's Law
Will 5nm Happen?
TSMC will begin 10nm production this year, claims 5nm by 2020TSMC remains strangely bullish, but you also need to realize that line size is not what it used to be. It used to be they pretty much shrunk the entire lithography. Now they shrink what they can shrink, and then define the new lithography based on the skinniest resulting body part (problem: what's left to measure after the wrist? answer: a Taiwanese wrist).
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Er, no.
In the linux driver you have a steaming pile of crap that barely works at all.
Not true - in fact, Nvidia's Linux driver is quite good. The issue is that 'important' games get special attention from the graphics companies, who special-case things in their drivers - replacing whole shaders, etc. That doesn't happen in Linux. It winds up being necessary because OpenGL has grown so complex that it's incredibly hard to write fast code for it.
Vuikan is liable to change that considerably - a much lower-level API, that engines can interface with more directly and consistently. The drivers won't have be huge tangles of special-case code, and will be much simpler to implement on multiple operating systems because they are called upon to do far less.
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Latest AMD GPus are Fury and 3xx not 2xx, 7xxx
And while they are not brand new architecture from AMD, they DO perform differently than 2xx series.
Yet they didn't make it into the review.
HALF of the AMD cards reviewed aren't even previous generation, they are pre-previous.There is a reason (LiquidVR) Dell/Alienware went exclusively with AMD for Oculus Rift builds, somehow that doesn't matter for SteamOS, eh?
http://hexus.net/tech/news/sys...AMD 380 is the best 200$ card out there at the moment. It beats 960 handily in most games, while consuming 10-30w more (n games)
390 is within 5% of 980 performance, at a fraction of a price, and 30-40% more power consumption.AMDs GPUs are more than competitive at the moment, stop spreading BS.
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Re:To everybody bashing gaming laptops...
I myself can't even stand lugging one from the living room to the bedroom! Can't wait till there's a decent one of these:
http://www.kitguru.net/compone...
http://hexus.net/tech/news/per...
I'd love to have it connected to the monitor of my desk and connect my slim-and-light laptop to it for gaming. Even more awesome would be the fact that one could have an enclosure and be able to even swap out the graphics card!
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Re:monitors need to be square
You mean like this? http://hexus.net/tech/news/dis... I don't care what anyone else says about what's "right", because people are idiots. I'm buying one of these.
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Re: clock speed is not the right comparison
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/...
Look at the benchmark with a discrete graphics card at the bottom.
Or the gaming pages on this review: http://www.legitreviews.com/in...
Just pair it with a decent budget card, like the 750 Ti or R9 270, and you got a solid budget gaming machine.
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Re: Alibaba
There was this case in which GT440 where modified to report themselfs as GTX660:
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Re:Guns...Lots Of Guns
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Re:There are other applications
Actually this is borderline hilarious/obtuse of an article in the first place. This is implying that increasing a GPU's power is about resolution - when more and more demanding games require those same increases of a GPU's power.The article could not be further from any truth whatsoever.
So can eyes tell when GPU's get faster? Absolutely. You just need to put in a context people can understand. In this article they have a call of duty video of the xbox one side by side with PS4, and then a video with PC side by side with PS4 for the same game. So resolutions are: 720p -> 1080p playtation -> 1080p (pc, fully upgraded). Anyone can easily see the differences made, and it's not "hard to tell".
I hope this shows people that the folks at Toms Hardware Guide are sometimes correct and sometimes completely idiotic.
Additionally, you will be able to see a difference if your game stutters at 30FPS vs 60FPS. So there as well, the need for better performing GPU's still exists.
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Re:So why continue it...
Shop around a bit. Here's a pic of the MSI GT70's keyboard. It was designed as a gaming laptop, there are no keys on the left side that will break your game.
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Re:Still better IMHO
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Re:Still better IMHO
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Philips 298P4QJEB
Looks to be competively priced (about £350/$500) 2560x1600, 29" IPS with very narrow bezel and USB Hub.
I could see a case for gamers/developers having one of these and two smaller screens to either side...
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Re:Ignorance
Most people posting here weren't at E3. I was, and I'm here to tell you that the XBOne is by far the best of the next-gen console as it stands now. The games do look next-gen, are well-thought out, and impressive.
No wonder, considering that the demos you saw at the show were run on a massively beefed up Windows 7 PC with a GTX 770 graphics card. What you're going to get on the real hardware will be nowhere near as impressive, since the real Xbone's GPU will have shader performance roughly equivalent to a Radeon HD 7790, but with much worse memory bandwidth due to using DDR3 instead of GDDR5.
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Re:Uh.. bandwidth?
This would probably suit you for your ARM server: http://hexus.net/tech/news/systems/51621-the-odroid-u2-17ghz-exynos-quad-core-raspi-rival/ you'll want an eMMC for the OS, but SATA is still an issue. Marvell might be a better SoC provider for that.
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Re:you don't want a $20 PSU in any system
Most PSUs hit their peak efficiency at 50% load. So if you have a 350W typical load then you'll want to go with a 700W PSU to minimize your at the wall power consumption.
Also its nice to have a little room for power demand variance and future expansion.
1. http://www.anandtech.com/show/2624/3
2. http://hexus.net/tech/tech-explained/psu/29911-80-plus-certification/ -
Re:Boot directly to desktop?
Not to be pedantic, but it's actually called Modern IU now because of some legal concerns, I believe.
And I don't disagree with the concept that we might need a new interface for touch or kinect enabled computers, but I don't see why that matters when I'm using a mouse and keyboard? We need to define "vast majority" and "a few years" because right now, today, there's no reason for the current vast majority of users to have to suffer through Windows 8 and Modern UI using a keyboard and a mouse. -
Re:So, the next MIPS?
Wasn't Cloverfield a rather mediocre movie once you got past all the hype? I remember walking out of the cinema vowing never again to fall of Hollywood pig in a poke tactics.
So it's with a certain amount of trepidation that I read that Intel - no stranger to hype, fud and pig in a poke tactics themselves - are using that as a code name.
Is it any relation of ValleyView?
http://hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/44385-intel-atom-soc-roadmap-leaked-details-bay-trail-valleyview/
Despite the valley girl name, it's actually sounds, like, totally bitchin' to me. The CPU is out of order and the first Atom core redesign and the GPU is not going to suck, unlike every previous Intel GPU which they announced wouldn't suck and but then turned out to suck like an Electrolux on launch.
What could possibly go wrong?
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Re:Yay Cortex A-15!
That is interesting.
I've always thought that a lot of the problem with ARM systems is that they typically use mobile SDRAM, Which is low power, but is also clocked slowly and has a rather narrow bus. So if you paired an ARM with the same memory you get in an Atom system, you'd see better figures. I think that is part of what has happened with the Chromebooks.
E.g.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6422/samsung-chromebook-xe303-review-testing-arms-cortex-a15/3
There are a total of 8 x 256MB DDR3L devices (2GB total) that surround the Exynos 5 Dual SoC (4 on each side of the PCB). Each device is 8-bits wide, all connecting up to the 64-bit wide DDR3L memory controller. The DRAM is clocked at a 1600MHz data rate, resulting in 12.8GB/s of memory bandwidth to the chip. The Exynos 5 Dual integrates two ARM Cortex A15 CPU cores as well as an ARM Mali-T604 GPU.
Yeah - Finally an ARM with memory bandwidth, and it seems like it has really paid off if you look at the CPU benchmarks.
It's also worth pointing out that the Atom 570 is a rather old design. The new Atoms are going to be out of order and hopefully have better performance, though you wonder what will happen to power consumption. Lastly Atom is the slowest x86 CPU and Exynos 5 is one of the fastest ARMs. You can get x86 chips that far surpass the fastest ARM - a Core i7 for example.
Also I think Atoms have always been let down by their chipset - the first Atom chipset consumed much more than the CPU. And the Intel GPU in that chipset is like some sort of sick joke. It's not very low power and the performance is terrible.
Still for a long time Atom was better than AMD for low power and cheap and that meant that it basically owned the netbook segment. So Intel spent its R&D resources on Core i7s and i5s because you can make a lot more cash at the high end.
Now with a bit of luck getting beaten by an Exynos 5 and indeed losing the market for Chromebooks at Samsung will cause Intel to spend some R&D resources on Atom. We know there is a new ValleyView Atom core coming, and we also know they are going to put in a decent integrated GPU. With a bit of luck Atoms will get more R&D resources after that so Atom cores get revved a bit more frequently.
Then again, for what netbooks are meant for - web browsing, email etc - they are basically good enough. I'm not going to switch to ARM on netbook, because I like Windows and Windows RT is a locked down nightmare, whereas x86 Windows runs all the things I need. If I need more power for things like Visual Studio, I've got a Core i5 laptop.
And even if Valleyview is a bit of a disappointment, I'm probably going to end up buying a netbook based on it at some point, purely based on the fact that it runs x86 Windows and that is what I want to run.
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Re:Yay Cortex A-15!
That is interesting.
I've always thought that a lot of the problem with ARM systems is that they typically use mobile SDRAM, Which is low power, but is also clocked slowly and has a rather narrow bus. So if you paired an ARM with the same memory you get in an Atom system, you'd see better figures. I think that is part of what has happened with the Chromebooks.
E.g.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6422/samsung-chromebook-xe303-review-testing-arms-cortex-a15/3
There are a total of 8 x 256MB DDR3L devices (2GB total) that surround the Exynos 5 Dual SoC (4 on each side of the PCB). Each device is 8-bits wide, all connecting up to the 64-bit wide DDR3L memory controller. The DRAM is clocked at a 1600MHz data rate, resulting in 12.8GB/s of memory bandwidth to the chip. The Exynos 5 Dual integrates two ARM Cortex A15 CPU cores as well as an ARM Mali-T604 GPU.
Yeah - Finally an ARM with memory bandwidth, and it seems like it has really paid off if you look at the CPU benchmarks.
It's also worth pointing out that the Atom 570 is a rather old design. The new Atoms are going to be out of order and hopefully have better performance, though you wonder what will happen to power consumption. Lastly Atom is the slowest x86 CPU and Exynos 5 is one of the fastest ARMs. You can get x86 chips that far surpass the fastest ARM - a Core i7 for example.
Also I think Atoms have always been let down by their chipset - the first Atom chipset consumed much more than the CPU. And the Intel GPU in that chipset is like some sort of sick joke. It's not very low power and the performance is terrible.
Still for a long time Atom was better than AMD for low power and cheap and that meant that it basically owned the netbook segment. So Intel spent its R&D resources on Core i7s and i5s because you can make a lot more cash at the high end.
Now with a bit of luck getting beaten by an Exynos 5 and indeed losing the market for Chromebooks at Samsung will cause Intel to spend some R&D resources on Atom. We know there is a new ValleyView Atom core coming, and we also know they are going to put in a decent integrated GPU. With a bit of luck Atoms will get more R&D resources after that so Atom cores get revved a bit more frequently.
Then again, for what netbooks are meant for - web browsing, email etc - they are basically good enough. I'm not going to switch to ARM on netbook, because I like Windows and Windows RT is a locked down nightmare, whereas x86 Windows runs all the things I need. If I need more power for things like Visual Studio, I've got a Core i5 laptop.
And even if Valleyview is a bit of a disappointment, I'm probably going to end up buying a netbook based on it at some point, purely based on the fact that it runs x86 Windows and that is what I want to run.
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Re:Yay Cortex A-15!
Replying again with some more concrete information, that you may be interested in:
From http://hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/47517-samsungs-exynos-5-dual-faces-off-intels-atom-n570/ and http://www.anandtech.com/show/6422/samsung-chromebook-xe303-review-testing-arms-cortex-a15/6
Latest dual-core Exynos 5 thrashes a dual-core Atom with HyperThreading.
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Re:I remember
Wrong, sorry, don't know where you get your info from but the BD/PD design uses SHARED integers (2 per module VS 3 a piece for Thuban) while they touch on this here and please note the benches on previous pages that have the FX 8 nearly tied with the X6 even though it has 20% more cores, if you want a more in depth explanation of the BD modular layout go to Tom's hardware who lays out the whole thing.
But I'm sorry but both the integer and floating point are shared with BD and I don't know where you got your info from but neither integer or floating point is shared with Thuban, and FYI but pretty much every chip since the P3 has had a floating point so unless you've been running embedded ARM (the only chip made without a FP unit) I'm sorry but you're just badly misinformed.
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Re:Why did Microsoft rename their old "Surface"?
Between 600 and 800 dollars. Not cheap, but still definitely affordable.
Objection! Hearsay. Microsoft has not announced prices.
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Re:Why did Microsoft rename their old "Surface"?
Between 600 and 800 dollars. Not cheap, but still definitely affordable.
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Re:RIM shut them down
I've never owned a BB but this huge negative PR event caused me to never care about this company, ever again.
So you already didn't care about any of the other mobile phone manufacturers because their devices were already being snooped on because their devices didn't have encryption in the first place? It wasn't like RIM didn't fight against it. It's their security that has been their bread and butter since the beginning. If data is going through a BIS/BES not even RIM has the keys to decrypt the traffic.
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Re:Too bad
aren't going to bother reporting on it without some footage of an explosion site.
I'm sure that is exactly what they would run with, footage of *an explosion site*. Any explosion site would be good enough, why bother checking when you can just grab something from YouTube.
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Re:Lovely and Intuitive?
I said desktop on ARM -- the desktop on 32/64-bit will work with existing applications just fine. The point was that "desktop" is not available as an option on the new platforms for any serious development (e.g. porting Photoshop or LibreOffice to ARM); you are relegated to using Metro and the WinRT APIs which are not designed for creating complex applications.
App Suspension:
1. http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/02/09/building-windows-for-the-arm-processor-architecture.aspx -- can't find the specific quote in the article, but checking out the comments: e.g. "I hate that the OS suspends the app when it's not in the foreground. To fix this issue, I always run it in Visual Studio, so it doesn't get suspended."
2. http://hexus.net/tech/news/software/35057-microsoft-windows-8-feature-app-suspension/ -- "This time around it's Microsoft's announcement that its goal is to suspend Metro apps that are currently not visible on the screen to curtail and, with any luck, cut completely their power consumption" and bear in mind that the desktop is just another application (unless Microsoft are treating the desktop applications in the Desktop application differently to Metro applications in Metro).
3. http://www.techpowerup.com/160208/Windows-8-To-Introduce-App-Suspension.html -- "Simply put, it is a kernel optimization that "suspends" applications that are running in the background without much activity." This is a further clarification on the suspension behaviour, which would mitigate the problem (e.g. what about an alarm clock application, an application polling a server infrequently, or VMware with a powered on but idle OS).
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more sourcesIn case you want more than just hothardware, here's a decent selection
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Re:Short Nokia stock
I really don't think so. Nokia's European marketshare was hurting as much as anywhere else, e.g. http://channel.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=25353 The 5800 did very well but was a low-margin handset, while the N97 was popularly perceived as a turkey and nobody bought the damn thing. The trend here, as much as everywhere else, was for touchscreen phones with a lot of popular apps, and Nokia just did not deliver on either. They were still pimping a Blackberry-alike, 320x240 E72 as their premium business handset as late as last year.
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Re:USB? USB OTG ?
Shouldn't Apple be using micro-USB soon anyway? They "voluntarily" agreed along with other major manufacters:
http://channel.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=19086
http://www.newmobile.com/uk/122720/4253/European-Commission:-microUSB-standard-for-charging.html -
Owner's root access = more functional AND secure
Apple only patched versions of the OS that it felt like supporting, but the jailbreak community patched all versions.
Not only were all jailbroken iOS devices patched (if the patch was installed, that is), but they were patched much faster than "vanilla" devices.
Saurik released the patch within days of jailbreakme's debut. It took Apple almost two weeks. Two weeks during which there were a metric fuckton of jailbroken iPhone 4's on display in just about every Apple store on the planet, which I think is fucking hilarious. I wonder if Jobs had those phones tossed into a pit of fire to keep up the "r00t is bad for you, good for us" charade.
[offtopic]
Anyone else want to see some legislation that prevents companies like Apple from voiding a warranty on Hardware based on the software you run on it? I mean, that would be like refusing the warranty on a laptop with a broken hinge because it had Linux on it... Oh wait a minute...
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Re:2004
"Here is a story from Aug 1, 2003 that specifically mentions "onGPU MPEG encoding" of the ATI Radeon 9800. http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=602&page=1&vpr=yes"
I stand corrected: according to that article it certainly sounds like the GPU is being used for video encoding:
"the GPU makes use of the same features that the 9700 Pro (R300) version did, namely VideoSoap, utilising the shader unit on the GPU to apply realtime effects on the video stream to clean it up, and partial MPEG encoding. While it's not a full offload on to the GPU (that I can tell), it still allows a drop in CPU utilisation when recording video to your hard drive. "
I think ATI has a case for prior art since they actually had a product on the market in 2003 that did "Accelerated video encoding using a graphics processing unit". No doubt there were press materials and other information released long before this CPU was available. -
Re:2004
First, no one said Microsoft was doing this in October 2004; that's merely when they filed the patent. You don't have to demonstrate the technology in order to file a patent.
Second, Google is a great thing; being able to search by timeline is even better. Here is a story from Aug 1, 2003 that specifically mentions "onGPU MPEG encoding" of the ATI Radeon 9800.
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=602&page=1&vpr=yes
So yes, not only had were other people doing this before October 2004, they were shipping product that did this sufficiently early that reviews were being written in August 2003, suggesting that this feature was probably in development in 2002 at the latest. When Microsoft invented the idea, and whether it was before Radeon (or whoever inspired Radeon), is something we don't know, but it seems pretty clear Microsoft should have known that prior art existed and they were late to the game.
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Snoop filtering?
The block diagram:
http://img.hexus.net/v2/channel/news/2010/sep/armeagle3-big.jpg
refers to a "snoop control unit" and "snoop filtering". Is this some kind of DRM?
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Re:That's "frequency", not speed
for once, quite accurate by the anon. Reviews about these have been inconsistent, some citing bad overclocking potential and generally being not for enthusiasts.
Meanwhile, others seem to state it's a full sweep and/or basically great .
I'm wondering if this is another scenario of handpicked engineering samples or not.
I'm not at all convinced that this is great, or horrible. Anyone care to weigh in with better comments than kdawson?
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Re:gunna be great
I was briefly intrigued, until I looked around for these mythical "borderless monitors". I merely found a bunch of marketing drivel. Quoting:
The firm unwrapped the range in Berlin yesterday, but - as journalists debated the benefits of a TV able to display images right to the very edge of the device - Register Hardware discovered that LGâ(TM)s sets don't do what the name suggests. 'Borderless' is more about freedom, according to LG, because the range apparently gives owners the freedom to, say, transfer images over Bluetooth.
link. So, not borderless at all. Shame, this would actually be a cool feature.
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Tests
Lots and lots of tests and bechmarks. Looking good.
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Re:nVidia rules
They aren't the same card, but the 9800GT is only different from the 8800GT in adding triple SLI support. Some later 9800GTs are a die shrink but the original card was not. And I said GT250, not 260. The 250 is a rebranded 9800GTX+, although I thought it was a 9800GT. See http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/nvidia_geforce_250_rebranding_complete and http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=14656&page=2