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Re:OK some quick facts hereExcept that forest fires don't go BOOM. How can you not know if it's a nuke?
blasted a crater big enough to be noticed by a satellite
So then. Let's have a looksy.
For 1 million dollers:
Is there a big smoking hole?
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Re:Online seismometers
Yes.....
Look at the data marked 3 days ago and compare it to the others. There is a spike.
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Re:he makes me so mad
he forgot to include the "any" key on the keyboard though, and i've been looking for it for years
Here it is. Tricky little bugger, that anykey. -
Re:One Word:
Man, you've not met ed. Ed is the standard editor.
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Re:File handle passingOkay, then, I'll put up. Please see this code. (I tried to post it here but the lameness filter prevented me.)
Notice:
- proc1 and proc2 are siblings, not parent and child
- /tmp/foobar is never opened by proc2 or its parent
- only proc2 writes the message "hello world"
/tmp/foobar gets the message in it anyway.Credit Kragen Sitaker for the original code which I hacked to be a better demo. (I never claimed I could remember offhand how to do this, and I no longer have my copy of Stevens, but I do know it can be done.) It's at this url if you want to see the original.
Tested on Linux and FreeBSD. On Solaris a couple of changes with respect to the CMSG_* macros are needed; I'm too lazy to figure this out.
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Re:Things to ponder
I don't know about the math behind it - but I have read and heard that shuffling is not truely random.
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Re:This is terribly old newsSorry... "An engineer that takes politics into account will accomplish nothing?" That's something that, as a practicing engineer, I have to disagree with. If more engineers actually viewed their works in the social context that they'll eventually be released into, we might have some better products out there instead of the same old buggy crap and horribly designed user interfaces.
Ask many of the people who worked on the Manhattan Project what their opinion was of engineers who don't take into account the social context of their inventions. Just pick your battles: not developing something because somebody's going to subvert your idealistic view of the world and make some money might not be the right decision, but not developing something because it will be used to harm people somewhere might.
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Greg
wishing that more engineering schools subscribed to Harvey Mudd College's mission statement -
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Be kind
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Get the zip if you can.
Otherwise here's the index page, and midtown manhattan.
If you can put these up elsewhere, that'd be much appreciated. -
Really weak mirror
Be kind
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Get the zip if you can.
Otherwise here's the index page, and midtown manhattan.
If you can put these up elsewhere, that'd be much appreciated. -
Really weak mirror
Be kind
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Get the zip if you can.
Otherwise here's the index page, and midtown manhattan.
If you can put these up elsewhere, that'd be much appreciated. -
Re:Fantastic Article
I'm going to have to disagree with the article on this. As a CS major at Harvey Mudd College (one of the most technology-oriented colleges in the country), I have already learned not only assembler, but how to build computers starting with transistors and wires. While this is fascinating (I have a whole new respect for anyone who writes an operating system), I don't think it is at all necessary for my future. The entire reason that grammars and parsers (For those of you who aren't really into CS, these are the things that turn Java and other high-level languages into machine code. In essence they are how a computer that only understands machine language can understand other languages as well.) were created in the first place is so that we don't need to work in assembler any more!! Yes, some people will always need to know machine language to write new OSs and new networking protocols, but most people won't ever use this: not only will secretaries, dry-cleaners, and construction workers not need to use assembler, most CS workers won't need it either. Most webmasters hate typing HTML by hand (My summer job this past year was assisting our college's webmaster. I started it typing in HTML, and the head webmaster convinced me by the end of the summer that it is more effective to use FrontPage). Game developers don't need assembler (as I recall, the source code to Half Life 2 was leaked earlier this year. It was written in C++).
It's obvious that some people will always need to understand assembler, so that they can make new operating systems, new languages (Prolog, for example, cannot be written in Java - it requires assembler), and a few other applications. Other than that, however, many industries are thriving despite not using assembler. The article cited claims that we should all need to know what goes on under the hood of the microprocessor, but does not give any justification as to why this is so. I see no reason why the majority of people in the world need to learn in order to keep up in society. -
The Honor Code
The Harvey Mudd Honor Code
The honor code works incredibly well here at Mudd. It also makes us happy, because it gives us pretty much free roam of the academic facilities and often results in take-home tests and quizzes. Granted, we're a small school, and it would probably be less effective at a larger school, but it's still worth looking into. -
Re:After all, isn't it theft
As it's after lunch, I'm switching to trolling the other way now. What you should have said was:
See Title 17 as amended by HR 2265 (NET Act). 10 or more copies, retail value over $5,000 = 3 year felony / $250,000 fine, any number of copies between $1,000 and $2,500 retail value = 1 year misdemeanor / $100,000 fine.
What will you bet that I can get modded informative for pushing both sides of this argument?
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Re:Urban legendYou probably proved that no triangle has interior angles greater than 180 degrees.
Except in spherical geometry.
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depends a lot on the college
I find my professors all the time, sometimes at 10pm, sometimes at 1am. They're likely to be in their office at the very least anytime 10am-5pm except during lunchtime and when they're actually teaching classes. Of course, I go to a college with no grad school and hence no TAs to do their teaching for them (or big research grants to take up their time)...
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Re:Reminded me of something...
very very raw and rough map for counterstrike, modelled after harvey mudd college available here
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Re:Reminded me of something...
very very raw and rough map for counterstrike, modelled after harvey mudd college available here
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Re:Bug Reporting Problems,
If there was a search tool akin to Google for searching accurately through large bug databases where users could easily find bugs then the issue of duplicates would be solved almost entirely.
There is an alternative to the overcomplicated "Search for bugs" page. It's called Bugzilla QuickSearch. I use it for the vast majority of my bugzilla searches. I even have a Bugzilla QuickSearch textbox on my start page (along with a Google search box, etc).
I think "Search for bugs" should be renamed to "Advanced search" and QuickSearch should be made more prominent. -
Re:why to use Linux of Windows
I have to disagree. Here at Mudd, one professor and one admin has the root password, along with about 12 students and things have worked quite well.
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The Phoenix
Julia Ecklar - The Phoenix.mp3: a song about an Apollo 1 astronaut resurrected as a spaceship. Once upon a lifetime I died a pioneer; Now I sing within a spaceship's heart. Does anybody hear?
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The Phoenix
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Re:F in Engineering curves to an AI agree. I went to a very highly regarded science and engineering school and got a degree in physics. Never got below a B-. Plenty of other people did, but I didn't. In the vast majority of those courses where I got that grade (mostly the harder upper division stuff), I honestly felt that I should have failed. I knew the material ok, but I really didn't understand it in most cases. At best, I should have gotten a D. 6 months after the course was over, I couldn't recall many of the key concepts at all.
In terms of numbers, it was very common to get a test score of 25 out of 50 and still get a B. That's insane! Perhaps the courses really were that much harder than your standard state school, but I don't think that's a good enough excuse. This was supposed to be a really hard school, after all. Those of us (the majority, most of the time) who got those crappy scores got them because we didn't understand the material well enough or couldn't keep up with the accelerated pace of the course. Why should we be rewarded with grades that suggested otherwise?
I do have to say that because I didn't go into graduate school after getting my bachelor's degree, the course details and the grades don't matter much in the real world. What matters the most is that I got a solid foundation in science and technology, and most importantly, problem solving. I also dramatically improved my learning skills, allowing me to quickly pick up new things at my job. Those few details from the courses that apply specifically to my job on a day-to-day basis, I've been able to easily master without the chaos of school surrounding me. Ultimately grades only matter if you plan to go on in education at the next level.
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Dumb-ass touchpad design
By the way, that touch panel is designed ass-backwards. It would be much more intuitive to move the whole number pad one space over, and run the letters down the left side, then across the bottom. But I realize the Bar Monkey guys probably didn't design it
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the other Harvey Mudd tradition...
Yeah, this sounds like a good idea, but it probably wouldn't mix too well with the other big Harvey Mudd College tradition. I mean, doesn't alcohol affect your sense of balance?
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Text from the site
The Text from: http://www3.hmc.edu/~bgreer/barmonkey/ is it appears to be ebing served by a 486 as well.
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The Bar Monkey
Designed and Implemented by Steven Avery, Dustin Cooper, and Brad Greer
of Harvey Mudd College
The Bar Monkey, simply put, is a vending machine that serves mixed drinks. It houses 16 reservoirs which currently contain the following ingredients:
* Vodka
* Rum
* Tequila
* Whiskey
* Gin
* Amaretto
* Triple Sec
* Kahlua (or coffee liqueur)
* Midori (or melon liqueur)
* Orange Juice
* Pineapple Juice
* Cranberry Juice
* Sour Mix
* Cola*
* Tonic*
* Grenadine*
*Ingredients currently under consideration for replacement
Using these 16 ingredients, a total of 188 different drinks can be made, with the included ability to add ounce increments of each ingredient to customize (or create) a drink. The drink database is easy to update and nearly infinitely expandable.
Customers sign up for a user account, for which they are assigned a unique, 5-digit, hexadecimal PIN. The account is debit-based, with each drink charging the customer at cost for the drink they are purchasing, automatically deducting from their account balance.
All told, the project took about 3 months and $235 to complete. It is worth mentioning, however, that the LCD (the most expensive single component) was donated (approx. value: $100+), and various other components were otherwise acquired for free. The Bar Monkey was graciously funded by West Dorm HMC, even though we were overbudget by $85. Continual maintenance and occasional improvements are still always a concern.
Some Pictures:
Beta Testing
Here's the cabinet when it was just a few shelves holding empty 2-liter bottles. One pump is hooked up to the computer for the purpose of taking time-constant data.
Soldering I
Having collected the time-constant data, Steve and Brad dutifully solder half-inch jumpers to each of the 4 leads on each of the 16 relays. Neither of us knows, to this day, why we did this outside.
Soldering II
Closeup of the meticulous but tedious jumper-soldering process.
Bartop Under Construction
The unfinished bartop, with various tools, containers, and other helpful things strewn across it in the midst of hard work.
The Monkey's Central Nervous System
The finished relay board, connected to the computer via parallel ports. The computer is running the Bar Monkey program, which displays the drink code prompt on the LCD.
LCD and Keypad Closeup
The above-mentioned drink prompt, but closer.
Behind the Scenes of the Relay Board
It looks really nice and neat on top, but the relay board was quite possibly the most difficult part of the entire project. What you see here are 16 relays, 16 diodes, 16 resistors, 16 transistors, and approximately 70 small segments of wire (not counting the 64 jumpers).
Inside the Finished Product I (shown above)
Pretty self-explanatory. The pumps and their respective reservoirs in place, the computer and relay board safely tucked on a shelf, the LCD behind a half-inch of acrylic, and all the tubes pulled through the PVC dispenser neck.
Inside the Finished Product II
Same as above, but from a different angle.
Electronics Closeup
The LCD, with extension cable to the keypad and serial cable to the computer, is at the top right. The bottom of the computer is unimpressive, though dominant in the frame, and the relay board is seen off to the side.
Outside the Finished Product
Here we see the Bar Monkey as customers see it, complete with Dustin's excellent stencil design and the nozzle, which is removable for cleaning.
The Finished Bartop
The top of the Bar Monkey, covered in rugged black plastic with a viewing window for the LCD.
Finished LCD and Keypad Closeup
It still looks pretty much the way it did when it was unfinished, only now it isn't just laying on the floor.
Drink Confirmation
The true beginning of the customer's experience with the Bar Monkey.
Technical Specs:
* Runs a program written in C by Dustin Cooper, in Linux.
* Bartop is approximately four feet above the ground.
* Holds approximately 1.75 liters of each ingredient.
* Uses 16 windshield washer pumps run by a 12V adaptor. Pumps are connected in parallel and run sequentially by the program.
* Dispenses an 8 oz. mixed drink in less than 10 seconds.
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Re:for my PhD...
Actually, Mudd is a science school, although it's classified as a liberal-arts college because they mostly offer pure-science majors rather than engineering majors.
Indeed, MIT does tend to graduate people into the workforce. But I was specifically answering the assertion that a prestigious undergrad education is needed to get into a good graduate school.
I wonder, though, why CalTech doesn't experience the same drain. Perhaps the JPL down the street from them inspires a culture of PhD-ness.
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Re:Seriously?
Heh
The benefits of higher education.
At last count, my school (.) has a gigabit primary link, and 7 clustered t1s to qwest as 'backup' (it used to be the primary connection, the gigabit link is new this year). The on campus lan is a mix of 802.11b and fibre, with 100mbit to all the rooms.
The upload limit is about a gig and a half a day (past the router, within the lan it's unlimited), and there is no download limit. For the very low price of $35k/year. -
Re:GCC mystery
Harvey Mudd College had a student project last year to get GCC working for BREW. Unfortunately they never posted their results to the web.
Indeed, as a student at HMC I saw many presentations from that group last year, and the position-independent code was the issue with gcc compiling. It's really a bug in the BREW architecture, but they did create a workaround for it. As far as obtaining it, nobody but Qualcomm can actually release it legally, since they own the work. Go bug Qualcomm! They really should release it, given the entire purpose of the clinic project was to reduce the necessary cost for developers to start writing BREW apps... -
Re:Only the keyboard?
1. Click hyperlinks. Can't beat the mouse for this, IMHO.
No, but you can get close. IE for Mac lets you type the first few characters of a link to focus the first matching link. Current Mozilla nightlies have a similar feature, but in Mozilla, you can type letters anywhere in the link text. Mozilla gives you more feedback as you use its version of the feature. Mozilla lets you use Ctrl+G to go to the next matching link. Mac IE's version currently works better for pages that use image links, as long as the images have alt text.
I use accesskeys (Alt+S, etc) and type-to-focus for links on my start page and type-to-focus for paths I follow frequently from my start page (classes -> bio -> schedule, mozillazine -> talkback, etc). I also use type-to-focus to search through a list of students and phone numbers where the names happen to be links. If I need to open a large number of links at once, I often use a bookmarklet : Linked Images for thumbnail links to images, Linked Pages for a list of links to non-image pages. I use the mouse for most other links.
2. Scroll. Since my hand is already on the mouse, the mouse wheel is perfect. Mouse wheels are pretty common these days.
I also use the mouse for scrolling often, even if my hand isn't on the mouse before I want to scroll. Why? It might have something to do with the way the down arrow key only goes one line in Mozilla and the pgdn key goes a little too far. Or maybe I miss "smooth scrolling" from IE. Or maybe it's because in a maximized Mozilla window, there is no space between the scrollbar and the edge of the screen, so it's easier to scroll using the mouse in Mozilla than in IE. -
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Re:Harvey Mudd College Link
sorry, that was my first post, and it doesn't seem to be making those into links...
http://www.hmc.edu
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Re:Harvey Mudd College Link
sorry, that was my first post, and it doesn't seem to be making those into links...
http://www.hmc.edu
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Wow! This is groundbreaking!
Well, not really... this college has been doing it for 47 years.
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Re:Sounds familiarBeing a current student of Harvey Mudd, I can tell you that at least around here the word is the Olin Foundation picked up and started their own college after a scuffle here, in part because they have enough money to just go do their own thing.
That's all fine and dandy, but now they're stealing away our department chairs (We miss you, Prof. Moody!) and faculty by giving them an offer they can't refuse. I think they can model the academic perspective of Mudd without a problem; what will be interesting to see is if they can get the same social atmosphere that encourages group learning, >95% of students living on-campus, etc.
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Re:Sounds familiarBeing a current student of Harvey Mudd, I can tell you that at least around here the word is the Olin Foundation picked up and started their own college after a scuffle here, in part because they have enough money to just go do their own thing.
That's all fine and dandy, but now they're stealing away our department chairs (We miss you, Prof. Moody!) and faculty by giving them an offer they can't refuse. I think they can model the academic perspective of Mudd without a problem; what will be interesting to see is if they can get the same social atmosphere that encourages group learning, >95% of students living on-campus, etc.
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Sounds familiarTheir mission sounds quite a lot like that of my alma mater. In fact, the newest building at the time I went there was named after Olin, so I suppose it's no surprise that there's now a (similar) full college named after him. Personally, I highly recommend an emphasis on humanities in the otherwise technical curriculum, as I said last week.
Will be interesting to see how this school grows.
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Harvey Mudd?
This sounds interesting but how is it different than existing institutions such as Harvey Mudd College?
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Actually, just the opposite
When I was in high school, my Calculus teacher mentioned a similar situation concerning the Mean Value Theorem. The Mean Value Theorem (a generalization of Rolle's Theorem) states, in effect, that if a function is differentiable, then the derivative must, at some point, be equal to the average value; for more information, see this page. A jurisdiction which escapes me instituted a program of placing timestamps on toll tickets, then ticketing persons whose average speeds were in excess of the speed limit. Seems obvious that if your average is in excess of x, then you must, at some point, have been travelling faster than x, but somebody challenged it in court. The jurisdiction (again, I don't recall who it was) brought in a mathematician, who explained Rolle's Theorem and the Mean Value Theorem on the witness stand. The gist of the jurisdiction's argument was that "we may not know where you broke the speed limit, but we can prove that you did." The court upheld the ticket, and the program.
Anyhow, as far as this thread goes, they can still issue tickets based on time. If people stop using the toll transponder, all they have to do is include times on the toll ticket (assuming they use toll tickets; Oklahoma's toll roads don't--you pay your three bucks at entry, regardless of how far you're going), and they can issue all the tickets they want, regardless of whether the defendant used the transponder or not.
Side note...I started thinking about Rolle's theorem a few days ago, and for no reason. ESP or something. Kinda scary...Mr. Young, you've polluted my brain...
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College is about learning to learnMy god, it's now been a decade since I was in your position, about to enter college. Still seems like just yesterday.
Anyhow, the thing I really got out of college was not the information and knowledge I acquired, but the skills. And the #1 skill was knowing how to learn effectively. On a day to day basis at my job, I use little if any technical knowledge I learned directly in my college courses. What I do use are the skills and the knowledge that I've learned in 6 years in the industry. I've been able to impress my management with my ability to pick up new concepts and solve problems that had stumped others, so I've done fairly well in the raise department - but not because of the facts that I learned in college.
If you can learn effectively, you can do anything you want when you get out of school. It doesn't matter so much what your major was, but simply that you got the degree and can show any prospective employers or clients that you can do the job they are looking for. The best people I work with are ones who didn't go directly in the exact field they majored in, but who sought jobs that would interest and challenge them, and that they knew they were capable of picking up.
With that in mind, make sure you choose a major that interests you. Preferably also one that you'll excel at, or that you'll at least do ok with. Don't worry so much about what the job market will be in that field - 4 years is a long time and things can change dramatically (just think about people who graduated this year - they started just as the dot com bubble was starting to swell up). As I said above, if you can demonstrate intelligence, an innovative spirit, and both a willingness and ability to learn quickly, employers won't care what your specific major was.
Along the same lines, don't stress about choosing a major too soon. Explore and take classes that sound interesting. If you stumble onto something that really excites you, great! By the same token, don't fret if you get into your upper division classes and start to lose interest. This happened to me as a physics major - I completed the degree but have no desire to go any further in the field. I concentrated on rounding out my education and diversifying my learning as much as possible.
My alma mater was a science and engineering school that emphasized the humanities, and I'm ever greatful for that. I had to take more humanities classes that most science and engineering majors at other schools, and it significantly broadened my horizons. I ended up taking some really neat philosophy, music, history and other classes that I wouldn't have otherwise. The music classes in particular led me to expand my hobbies as an amateur musician after I got out of school. Whenever possible, take classes outside your major that sound interesting and that you might not otherwise take.
Other people have already made some good comments about the non academic stuff. Make sure you have fun, take a break, get out of the dorm (and do live in the dorms - group study sessions were often lifesavers in those really tough classes), go to parties, exercise and all that. Take an extended break if you feel yourself burning out, but don't let it go too long. I can say after being in the "real world" for 6 years, I have little motivation to go back to school and get a graduate degree. I may do it yet, but it'll be tough.
One last thing I'd say is that you get out whatever you put into your education. Yeah, it's a little clich but it's true. My wife's school seemed more like a diploma mill than a real school. The vast majority of the students were only interested in going through the motions to get a piece of paper at the end. It not only made things difficult for her in group projects where she did most of the work because they didn't care, but I think contributed to an overall attitude of apathy at the school. Most of her classmates got little to nothing out of their years there. Some of them acquired some knowledge, but I'd say most never got it, never learned how to learn.
And unfortunately these people will probably be our bosses in the future...
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Re:Undergraduate Student Project
When was the last time that a Senior at a US university produced a result of this calibre? Answer: Never been done.
I don't know why I let myself be suckered by such obvious bait.
There is a lot of extraordinary undergraduate research being done in the United States. For two obvious examples, look at the work done by the students of Feank Morgan and at Harvery Mudd College
Matthew Kudzin
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Solar power and MRTG
At my college, we've installed some solar panels on the roof of a dorm to see if it's worth expanding the project to use even more solar. (We have a lot of flat roofs, and in Southern California, that means pretty good solar energy.)
Anyways, we have a website showing the power generated, using the multi-purpose MRTG. It's all running via some student and staff-built hardware, running the OpenVMS port of MRTG by one of the computing and information services gurus.
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Solar power and MRTG
At my college, we've installed some solar panels on the roof of a dorm to see if it's worth expanding the project to use even more solar. (We have a lot of flat roofs, and in Southern California, that means pretty good solar energy.)
Anyways, we have a website showing the power generated, using the multi-purpose MRTG. It's all running via some student and staff-built hardware, running the OpenVMS port of MRTG by one of the computing and information services gurus.
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Mmm...blue food
While I'd love to see more blue foods, I'd be content with a personal blue slushee machine. Ah, to be back at my alma mater, with the blue slushee machine in the dining hall...
Some of my favorite recipies:
- blue slushee + sprite or similar = sparkling blue slushee
- blue slushee + cranberry juice = red and blue parfait-style beverage
- blue slushee + orange soda = "swamp water"
- 9:1 chocolate milk:blue slushee = raspberry-chocolate milkshake (sorta)
-Greg "C'mon, try it! It's really good!" Mulert
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iTunes like app?
Can someone please tell me what this iTunes-looking app is in this screenshot?
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Re:Screenshots
I'll have those mirrored soon here.
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Try YAMD
YAMD by Nate Eldredge has much of the functionality your looking for. Plus, you don't have to recompile your code to use it!
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Re:Homebrew Programs?
A couple of my friends here at Harvey Mudd College created a development chain for BREW applications using GCC. The project description is here
They ended up patching GCC's ARM support a lot. The phones use a offset based memory layout, but GCC ARM outputs position independent code. By the end of the project they'd gotten a large number of pre-existing games to compile and load onto the phone.
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Re: What's Mozilla got over IE/OE?
I think it's also worth noting that CTRL-w will close the current tab, so you don't have to click the little X either.
More great shortcuts like this can be found at this link. I believe mozilla.org had a similar page aat one time.