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Computer Pioneer Bob Bemer Dies

tpconcannon writes "Bob Bemer, the man who helped introduce the backslash as well as the escape key to computing, has passed away at his home at the age of 78. He also helped develop ASCII during the 60's at IBM. More interesting is that he predicted the Y2K bug all the way back in 1971!"

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  1. He was 84, not 78 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:He was 84, not 78 by f1ipf10p · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You complain (rightly so) about one day on Slashdot... imagine how Bob must have felt after 29 years of undestanding the Y2K problem with very few others listening. Not to mention his ASCII vs. EBCDIC struggle within IBM, or the value of higher level languages. \* although I prefer C to COBOL *\ Welcome to the world of the bell curve.

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    2. Re:He was 84, not 78 by f1ipf10p · · Score: 1

      Actually I refer to the tech definition of higher level languages as C, Pascal, COBOL, BASIC, etc. that are motly intended to be human read as opposed to assembler or binary machine code that is intended to be machine read.

      I make no reference to English, Chinese, Spanish, or German as one being "higher" than the other...

      Truly.

      Thanks for caring, though. I agree that truth and consistency are important and am not for the extermination of any people as a whole.

      Please understand I refer only to computer programming languages.

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    3. Re:He was 84, not 78 by stuffman64 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Even worse, this seems like a paraphrase of the story I submitted two days ago (rejected, of course).

      Regardless, Mr. Bemer was a true pioneer and champion of the early computer age. He may not have been as famous as some of the bigger guys, but his contributions were significant and still relevant even today.

      In other news, another great computer pioneer, Herman Heine Goldstine, also died. Goldstine helped influence the goverment to fund development of ENIAC.

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    4. Re:He was 84, not 78 by DAldredge · · Score: 2, Funny

      You know why it was rejected? So they could post that shity RedVSBlue crap.

      IMTO/.

    5. Re:He was 84, not 78 by fm6 · · Score: 3, Funny

      We thought you meant Steven King!

    6. Re:He was 84, not 78 by andrew71 · · Score: 0


      maybe 78 is hex for 84... do the math

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    7. Re:He was 84, not 78 by yroJJory · · Score: 1

      Even worse, this seems like a paraphrase of the story I submitted two days ago (rejected, of course).

      Same here.

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    8. Re:He was 84, not 78 by whereiswaldo · · Score: 3, Funny

      And speaking of COBOL....

      what better time for a Real Programmers list? ;)

      http://www.cs.williams.edu/~terescoj/humor/realpro g.html

    9. Re:He was 84, not 78 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      which is why I stopped submitting stories to slashdot years ago. (ok 2 years ago)

      if you are not a part of the "group" your stuff is automatically rejected.

      welcome to slashdot!

    10. Re:He was 84, not 78 by pe1rxq · · Score: 1

      Since you can't: 78 is NOT 84 in hex....
      78 is only 84 in base10.857143 or alternativly you could redefine '7' and '8'.

      Jeroen

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    11. Re:He was 84, not 78 by Epistax · · Score: 1

      Really? I read this back in 1971.

      I wasn't born yet but let's not let that get in the way.

    12. Re:He was 84, not 78 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you drunk? Seriously. (pssst it's spelled 'jest', I gave up after that one)

    13. Re:He was 84, not 78 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you say you prefer C, but you don't know how to make a valid C comment? Credible.

    14. Re:He was 84, not 78 by BroccoliGod · · Score: 1

      About your sig: Real Programmers are surprised when the odometers in their cars don't turn from 000009 to 00000A.

      Shouldn't it be "... turn from 000007 to 000010"? You know, with the leading 0 and all.

      -BroccoliGod

    15. Re:He was 84, not 78 by WizzleWizzleWizzle · · Score: 0

      I work with his son-in-law, but didn't know it for a long time. We went on a business meeting a few weeks back and he was driving Bob's truck which had ASCII on the License plate and the holder said "Yes, I am the father of ASCII".

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    16. Re:He was 84, not 78 by Chatmag · · Score: 1

      Join the crowd. I posted it about an hour after the story broke on CNN. *looks at my computer and thinks, how can Bob Bemer be considered "offtopic" anywhere???* I've given up submitting news stories, I'm just going to post in whatever thread is most active, and let everyone sort it out.

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    17. Re:He was 84, not 78 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, if all but one of those words was a macro, and the other was some kind of number, and there were operands at the end of the previous line and the beginning of the next one, I guess it might compile...

    18. Re:He was 84, not 78 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh yeah, I forgot, the macros also all have to evaluate to whitespace.

    19. Re:He was 84, not 78 by Atario · · Score: 1

      I prefer the heroic epic The Story of Mel . Makes me tear up every time I read it. [sniffle]

      RIP, Bob.

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    20. Re:He was 84, not 78 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      84 -- That would make him "T" in ASCII...

    21. Re:He was 84, not 78 by johu · · Score: 1

      Company I work for uses software written back in 70's running on IBM beasts (what else). I talked with one of original designers regarding Y2K problems back in 1999. She told that when they planned it, potential Y2K problems were considered, but since no one belived that system would be still in use nearly 30 years later they wrote it non-Y2K compatible way to save couple bits.

    22. Re:He was 84, not 78 by f1ipf10p · · Score: 1

      Uhm, Bob Bemer introduced the backlash, not the slash, so I used his char. If you are gonna cc or gcc my slashdot remarks you might have lots of other problems. I hope that Brian and Dennis have a less myopic view and can forgive my use of a backslash intead of a slash for this one comment. But you probably know all about RATFOR, prefer C over Fortran, and hate anything that is not correct syntax... I do prefer C, and have used it since before it was an ANSI standard. My copy of the white book with the blue C has no "ANSI" slapped on it. Also have an original copy of Software Tools. Know who Plauger is? /* this better? */ btw-anonymous is for FTP on public sites, not real slashdot posts.

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  2. So one might say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    that he's been ALT-F4'ed?

    1. Re:So one might say by canon006 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Or a KDE user.

    2. Re:So one might say by rampant+mac · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hmm... Could it be his "server" was \.'ed?

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    3. Re:So one might say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      coredump?

    4. Re:So one might say by f1ipf10p · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, Bob has been re-IPL'd. Alt-F4 is Windows. Bob was X360 era...

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    5. Re:So one might say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Flamebait? What the fuck?

    6. Re:So one might say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      that he's been ALT-F4'ed?

      / sigh
      Man, its no wonder we have trouble getting a date.

    7. Re:So one might say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I always hate a backslashdotting.

    8. Re:So one might say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      ALT-F4 was originally an IBMism

    9. Re:So one might say by FLEB · · Score: 5, Funny

      Gone on to a higher code page?

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    10. Re:So one might say by fuzzix · · Score: 2, Funny
      Gone on to a higher code page?

      If he's gone from 437 to 850 he's liable to lose a few of those box drawing chatacters...
    11. Re:So one might say by Jugalator · · Score: 4, Funny

      that he's been ALT-F4'ed?

      RTFA

      He just escaped. ;-)

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    12. Re:So one might say by (trb001) · · Score: 1

      Nah, his heart GPF'd.

      --trb

    13. Re:So one might say by sydb · · Score: 1

      Well, to be accurate you'd have to say he's ABENDed.

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    14. Re:So one might say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry bro but I ran out of mod points yesterday.

  3. 82 73 80 by Daikiki · · Score: 5, Funny

    82 73 80

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    1. Re:82 73 80 by MalleusEBHC · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Please, this man is a geek and deserves to be thusly honored.

      0x52 0x49 0x50

    2. Re:82 73 80 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Disregarding the fact that he invented ASCII, not hex...

    3. Re:82 73 80 by belmolis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hey there, sonny, even folks my age, and I'm over a generation younger than Bob Bemer, say 122 111 120. The modernizers may say 52 49 50, but Real Programmers certainly don't say 82 73 80.

    4. Re:82 73 80 by Ryan+Stortz · · Score: 2, Funny

      He was:

      108 51 51 116

      Wow, even I thought that was lame.

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    5. Re:82 73 80 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's something more appropriate:

      0x90h

    6. Re:82 73 80 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Should I be more worried that you posted that, or that I could read it without looking the numbers up?

    7. Re:82 73 80 by sparkywonderchicken · · Score: 0

      Actually the real modernizers use base64 and then encrypt it.

  4. His website by NearlyHeadless · · Score: 5, Informative

    His website is here. There are a lot of interesting tidbits on his history page.

    1. Re:His website by orkysoft · · Score: 5, Informative

      And if you read that, you'd know he invented the escape sequence, rather than just a key on your keyboard. The website hardly mentions the key, it mentions the concept of the escape sequence. That the ESC key is used to activate terminal escape sequences, or the backslash (which he also introduced into ASCII) is used to activate C-like escape sequences, isn't as relevant as the concept of the escape sequence itself.

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    2. Re:His website by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But the concept had been floating around automatic teletype machines for quite some time.

    3. Re:His website by Schaffner · · Score: 1

      Eureka! I found prior art for the Acacia patent (mentioned in another article) on this web site. From the article "How ASCII Came About":

      Bob Bemer, at IBM, foresaw eventual computer involvement in communication. In 1960 July he described a communication method using computers at both ends, the originator compressing the text, the receiver reconstituting it.

    4. Re:His website by greenhide · · Score: 1

      Hah! Some website. Looks like he hasn't been updating it. It doesn't say I'm DEAD yet.

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    5. Re:His website by wintermute1974 · · Score: 1
      Hah! Some website. Looks like he hasn't been updating it. It doesn't say I'm DEAD yet.

      Well, at least one page's title gets pretty close.

  5. That Y2K thingy... by sljgh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Predicted it back in '71? That seems like something a smart person would do, shame the rest of us didn't follow up on it before 30 years later.

    1. Re:That Y2K thingy... by kryptKnight · · Score: 1

      Plenty of people knew about the problem but either other didn't see the importance or just thought we'd all be dead by 200 anyway.

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    2. Re:That Y2K thingy... by kryptKnight · · Score: 2, Funny

      err 2000...

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    3. Re:That Y2K thingy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Wouldn't a fair few people have picked up on it though? I don't know exactly how each case of faulty software was implemented, but if I was writing code that assumed that 85 meant 1985, I could have told you that once we rolled over to 2000, 00-85 would give -85 instead of the 15 I was after.

      Surely all the programmers knew.

    4. Re:That Y2K thingy... by Nasarius · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Plenty of people knew about the problem but either other didn't see the importance or just thought we'd all be dead by 200 anyway.

      I see two reasons why code wasn't designed for four-digit years in the 70s:
      1. No one thought that their code would still be in use in 20-30 years.
      2. It would be inefficient to waste a byte of space per entry. Storage space and memory were both very limited until fairly recently.

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    5. Re:That Y2K thingy... by f1ipf10p · · Score: 4, Informative

      And still most people don't realize that the counter from epoch date (Jan 1. 1970) has a roll over flaw too. Seems to me 2038 is the magic year... but I have poor memory recall... I'm sure my recall will be even worse by then...

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    6. Re:That Y2K thingy... by 0racle · · Score: 0, Troll

      If only we had, we wouldn't be living in this post apocalyptic world now, I'd be able to get on a plane and visit family, and my computer would still work.

      Yes I know that in the few cases that it mattered it was fixed, but Y2K was blown way out of proportion by everyone, including some very smart people, it just wasn't that big of a deal.

      He could be remembered for many things that directly contribute to systems we have now, but but this point, I would think that most people would like to distance themselves from those Y2K shenanigans.

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    7. Re:That Y2K thingy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      true, but by 2038, time_t will most likely be 64bits (if not much, MUCH bigger)

    8. Re:That Y2K thingy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Uh, the reason he "predicted" it is because he caused the problem in the first place.

    9. Re:That Y2K thingy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, nobody will be using 30 year old binaries in 2000, err, 2038!

    10. Re:That Y2K thingy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You are completely uninformed. A massive amount of money and effort was spent on Y2K problems -- both in replacing systems and repairing them. It was a "big deal", which is why it was solved.

    11. Re:That Y2K thingy... by grrrl · · Score: 4, Interesting

      My year 10 computing teacher told us a story about how in the 60s they used a single number to store the year, and when they got to 1970 they were like "wait a sec!" - it all came down to space - what was the point of storing two or four numbers if you only needed one? it doesnt take much to extend the idea to 2000 for programs written in 1970, except they needed the space and why would their code last so long?

      we are now rather spoilt with storage space/bandwidth/etc

    12. Re:That Y2K thingy... by MalleusEBHC · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Maybe it's because I've never looked at really old code, but I have never understood why someone would only allow for values from 0-99. No matter how you cut it, this will take 7 bits at the minimum. At this point, why not just allow for values 0-127?

      My only guess is that this was in systems where you would need to be displaying the last two numbers, so displaying 0-27 for 100-127 would obviously cause a problem. However, it would seem simple to just add your year variable to a constant of 1900 and display the whole 4 digits.

      Sure you still run into Y2027 problems, but it's a little better.

    13. Re:That Y2K thingy... by mcrbids · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes I know that in the few cases that it mattered it was fixed, but Y2K was blown way out of proportion by everyone, including some very smart people, it just wasn't that big of a deal.

      I'm sorry, but that's just not true. Y2K went smoothly very much because everybody made sure it did. Many, many very real issues were discovered and addressed. I've seen plenty of the dry runs done, and the results were quite depressing, to say the least.

      After checking everything over, I had my networks and clientelle upgraded where necessary, and only one relatively unimportant system went down. (and it came up fine the next morning)

      Don't think that just because nothing major happened, that nothing major WOULD HAVE happened... lots of good people made sure it went OK.

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    14. Re:That Y2K thingy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you would run into 19100 problems (which I saw with a few javascript date printouts after Y2K). Much of the issue was on reports and screens and not necessarily the program logic.

      Also, maybe a COBOL programmer will comment, but they probably weren't using 8 bit ASCII.

    15. Re:That Y2K thingy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lots of Perl programs suffered from 19100 problems because people were doing '19' . $year in their shitty programs.

    16. Re:That Y2K thingy... by John+Courtland · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you use BCD, then two digits are only 8 bits. Thus 99 would be 10011001b.

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    17. Re:That Y2K thingy... by FLEB · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, but at least it'll only revert back to 1970. We can just work with vacuum tubes for a while until things move along a bit.

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    18. Re:That Y2K thingy... by Frobnicator · · Score: 4, Informative
      My year 10 computing teacher told us a story about how in the 60s they used a single number to store the year, and when they got to 1970 they were like "wait a sec!"
      Sounds like your year 10 computing teacher needs to take some more history lessons. Many of the groups who first dealt with computers (banks) were hit with the Y2K bug right at 1970, since they couldn't do 30-year loans, and many had already considered the problem. And since these companies counted out memory by the byte (or rented memory by the byte) they certainly wouldn't have been storing years as simple text. If they were, the programmer at the day would certainly have been considered wasteful, and possibly even fired for such practices.
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    19. Re:That Y2K thingy... by Brandon+Glass · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm sure that all the programmers who worked 20 hours a day to fix many of the problems, and the governments worldwide who allocated billions to fund plans to fix these problems would be thrilled to hear you say that Y2K "just wasn't that big a deal".

      Yes, the problems were blown out of proportion by some people (Gary North, for example), but ignoring the real issues that did exist at the time is just as stupid. I don't think it would have been apocalyptic if these issues weren't addressed as they were, but it would certainly be a huge headache, especially in the financial and business sectors. The amount of private contracts that I and a lot of people that I know got for converting legacy DOS apps to Windows or Linux (the two most common) would probably surprise you. A lot of them didn't even have the source code, so complete re-writes were neccessary.

    20. Re:That Y2K thingy... by ultranova · · Score: 0
      Yeah, nobody will be using 30 year old binaries in 2000, err, 2038!

      Yet another reason to stick to open source :).

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    21. Re:That Y2K thingy... by fuzzix · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Maybe it's because I've never looked at really old code, but I have never understood why someone would only allow for values from 0-99. No matter how you cut it, this will take 7 bits at the minimum. At this point, why not just allow for values 0-127?

      Because that's not the way the year was stored. In my current COBOL job I store the date as 8 character bytes (YYYYMMDD). I have converted programs from back in the day which were 6 character bytes (YYMMDD). This makes it simpler to read and write flat files, and reduces processing overhead for the type of programs commonly written in COBOL.
      COBOL isn't the easiest language to implement bitwise operators so every digit gets a character to itself, so:
      PIC 9(2)
      can hold an integer value from 00 to 99 and is 2 bytes in size. Inelegant, I know - but a job's a job :)
    22. Re:That Y2K thingy... by Detritus · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Years were commonly stored as text, BCD and packed BCD. What they weren't commonly stored as were 16-bit or 32-bit integers. The first two digits, sometimes three digits, were implied. DEC used three bits for the year in some of their early operating systems.

      Text and BCD formats were popular because they were efficient. Binary (integer) formats for date and time required complex conversions for I/O. There was no such thing as the microprocessor. Multiplication and division were usually very slow operations. Many computers implemented them in software, not hardware. The hardware for them was often an expensive option, not a standard part of the CPU. BCD could be converted to/from your favorite character code with simple hardwired logic.

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    23. Re:That Y2K thingy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BZZZZT wrong.

      we did a test case and everything that was intentionally NOT patched did not exibit any bad behaivoir. the USSR and china also did nothing for y2k and they also have minimal problems.

      it was all blown out of proportion, you know it. you're just defending the scamwork you did as a y2k "consultant" in 1998/1999.

    24. Re:That Y2K thingy... by Frobnicator · · Score: 1
      Text and BCD formats were popular because they were efficient.
      That's all true, but when you want to compute an amortization table and tell the computer that the last payment will be made 70 years in the past rather than 30 years in the future, you're likely to get a very odd payment schedule.
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    25. Re:That Y2K thingy... by blane.bramble · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Sorry to burst your bubble, but I suspect your test cases involved standard PC's which was *not* the problem. Most of the real y2k problems (rather than the ones picked up on by the media) involved mainframes running programs written in Cobol - and there were many many examples in the Finance industry. The reason Joe Public didn't notice anything was a) because the serious issues *were* fixed and b) it was never really a PC problem anyway. How do I know? Because I did tech support for a Y2K team in 1999 - no I wasn't a y2k "consultant". But I saw the very real problems that were being worked on and fixed.

    26. Re:That Y2K thingy... by gnu-generation-one · · Score: 1

      "Predicted it back in '71? That seems like something a smart person would do, shame the rest of us didn't follow up on it before 30 years later."

      Okay, so who's predicting 2038?

      $Today = floor(time() / 86400);

    27. Re:That Y2K thingy... by Mateito · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      > "current COBOL job"

      The word "current" along with the acronym "COBOL" gives me the willies.

      Great for you... COBOL programmers a a dying breed... but it scares me that its still out there... lurking... waiting for its opportunity to rise again....

    28. Re:That Y2K thingy... by sql*kitten · · Score: 1

      it all came down to space - what was the point of storing two or four numbers if you only needed one?

      It wasn't so much space as it was fixed record widths. A record could only be so many bytes, so when someone said "hey, we need another column in this table!" they had nowhere to put it. So they took 2 bytes off the front of the date, the "19" since that was all the same in every row. I guess they figured they'd upgrade later to a database server that actually let you add columns to existing rows (something we take for granted now) but those ol' mainframes kept on tickin' so the old database (which was compiled into the app in many cases) was never replaced.

    29. Re:That Y2K thingy... by ShinmaWa · · Score: 1

      COBOL programmers a a dying breed... but it scares me that its still out there... lurking

      I know you meant to be funny. However, there are a LOT of COBOL programmers out there. While there definately were a lot more in the past, and there was a lot of them that came out of the woodwork for the Y2K thingie, COBOL programmers are long from extinct.

      Most COBOL programs that existed for the Y2K thing still exist 4 years later. They were patched for the date conversion, but not replaced. In fact, I've got a COBOL programmer on my staff who is writing NEW COBOL programs (interface modules between the old CICS stuff and new Java-based stuff on a 390).

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    30. Re:That Y2K thingy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it was all blown out of proportion, you know it.

      No, it wasn't; you're full of shit.

      I did some testing for the Y2K problem. I found very few problems, but those problems would have caused major disruptions. Most of the problems were in databases that were decades old that were still being used. In most cases, the problem was soleved by changing two-digit years to four digit years in the databases and recompiling the programs that used them, but in a few cases, code had to be changed as well. Had this not been done, invoices and other financial statements and instruments would have been incorrect, and the division would have suffered major financial damage.

      So saying that it was blown out of proportion is just crap.

      Oh, and people that say/write "BZZZT! wrong!" are annoying assholes, IMO.

    31. Re:That Y2K thingy... by mec · · Score: 1

      Also, human beings like to express years in two digits. Class of '42; '57 chevy; summer of '66; and so on.

      At least, the human beings near me (American) do. I wonder about people who use other calendars with different year-0 points.

      Heck, even the parent poster did this! He's talking about "code in the 70s", not "code in the 1970s".

    32. Re:That Y2K thingy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      It only has a rollover flaw in 32 bits. If you do the math in 64 bits then you have no problem. It'll be easy to do this in hardware, but the software will of course have to do the right thing.

      Look in RedHat at /usr/include/bits/types.h and you'll see:
      typedef long int __time_t;

      I think it'll take a change, either in the compiler or in types.h, to solve this...but some time in the next 30 years, someone will get around to it. I hope.

      I do notice complacency among programmers where I work, though. "Don't worry about it, there's no way this software will still be in use in 2038..." -- Y2K all over again.

    33. Re:That Y2K thingy... by rkaa · · Score: 1

      I find no information confirming that claim.
      Do you have anything to back it up with?

    34. Re:That Y2K thingy... by fuzzix · · Score: 1
      I've got a COBOL programmer on my staff who is writing NEW COBOL programs (interface modules between the old CICS stuff and new Java-based stuff on a 390)

      There are 3 or 4 COBOL programmers here (including myself) doing something very similar. All the stuff requiring modification sits in CICS accessed by Mantis and COBOL. We have XML coming in from a web frontend and converted to flat-file by Java guys and transferred to CICS by the COBOL guys... Messy, but it seems to be taking shape.
  6. Ah. A true geek. Or nerd. Or maybe plain cool? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As recently as a month ago, "He was on the computer every day," Teeler said Wednesday. "He is a man who literally worked just about every day until he died. He felt at home sitting in front of a (computer) screen."


    In Memory Of A True Geek :)
    1. Re:Ah. A true geek. Or nerd. Or maybe plain cool? by gmuslera · · Score: 1
      Maybe not died, just uploaded himself to the computer discarded his own body. That way will still be every day and moment in the computer.

      Ok, too much Gibson.

    2. Re:Ah. A true geek. Or nerd. Or maybe plain cool? by kfg · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Someone once asked Asimov what he'd do it he knew this would be the last day of this life.

      He replied, "Type faster."

      KFG

    3. Re:Ah. A true geek. Or nerd. Or maybe plain cool? by [cx] · · Score: 0

      I always feel at home in front of my computer screen, gives me the only feeling of complete satisfaction to have an enviroment completely suited to my needs and procrastination :)

      I can completely sympathize with the way this man must have thought although he appeared to be a lot more disciplined with his time than me, it is sad to see another lost geek :(

      [cx]

  7. I think we all know who invented what by norminator · · Score: 2, Funny

    Let's give credit where credit is due. Al gore clearly took the initiative in creating the backslash, the ESC key, and ASCII.

    1. Re:I think we all know who invented what by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      god your a fucking moron

    2. Re:I think we all know who invented what by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who is "god" and why is it a fucking moron?

    3. Re:I think we all know who invented what by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      please mod parent, "-1 boring"

  8. Then you'll think I'm a genius! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I predicted the Y10K problem over 8000 years before it's going to happen.

    1. Re:Then you'll think I'm a genius! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Silly RFC or no, it would really be the year 65,537 problem.

    2. Re:Then you'll think I'm a genius! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's also the Unix 2038 problem.

  9. Some cool stuff can be found here by ErichTheWebGuy · · Score: 5, Informative

    www.bobbemer.com (official website)

    And the google cache for the impending slashdotting

    Among the more interesting tidbits is that he coined the word COBOL

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    1. Re:Some cool stuff can be found here by rune2 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Among the more interesting tidbits is that he coined the word COBOL

      Hey well nobody's perfect...

    2. Re:Some cool stuff can be found here by miope · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I have been reading some documents on his site, and this two are a must:

      about managers in computer industry (it reminds me of my bosses) and
      when it's to cheap for the government.

      And talking about ASCII, and (dead) keys, now I know that the ALT Key was pattented by IBM... who (apparently) lost a patent litigation on this issue.
      Worth reading!

  10. What Y2K bug? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    Billions of dollars were spent in the US trying to fix the Y2K bug. And when the calendar rolled over to year 2000 precisely *nothing* happened.

    How much money and effort did developing countries spend on fixing the Y2K bug; how much did they spend in places like Russia? Next to nothing? And when the calendar rolled over to year 2000 precisely *nothing* happened.

    (shrug)

    1. Re:What Y2K bug? by QuasiCoLtd · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Lovely troll. I'm sure the thousands of programmers who worked many countles nights and weekends to make sure that "nothing happened" appreciate you writing their work off so lightly. Ever stop to the that the reason nothing happened is because of these people, not despite them?

    2. Re:What Y2K bug? by sljgh · · Score: 3, Informative

      How many developing countries use computers? Sure a lot of embedded stuff didn't fail, but they weren't programmed to fail either, a microwave doesn't need to know the correct date. In more advanced countries, with vulnerable systems, we exported the patched code, to software we developed, that's why they didn't have to spend so much money on it. Yeah, it was hyped. But a lot of the ensuing nothing was caused by corrections we made.

    3. Re:What Y2K bug? by ezHiker · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The Y2K bug was a real problem.
      Most of the problem code got fixed (particularly for critical systems) during the years leading up to 2000, so that's why it seems like nothing happened.
      I personally had Y2K problems with reports that were generated by a couple of old Foxpro programs that were being used at my company. We had migrated to new software because we new about the Y2K problems with the old software. Sure enough, as of the morning of Jan 1, 2000, we could no longer print historical data out if the old system because it thought the date was 1900. I worked around the issue by rebuilding the reports in Crystal Reports which had a pivot year function.

    4. Re:What Y2K bug? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for saving the world, man !

      I'm sorry, but, back in th 80's, I remember making an accounting program. And you know what ? I thought of using 4 digit for years. And you know why ? Because I'm not a COMPLETE FOOL.

      Think about it.

    5. Re:What Y2K bug? by irokitt · · Score: 1

      I know that we had a bit of a snafu in the local computer science departments, since around 1997-1998 there was a sudden demand for COBOL programmers, but COBOL had been dropped from local curricula years ago;)

      My dad works at a nuclear power plant, where prior to Y2K a lot of semi-critical work was still being performed by IBM PC (Intel 8086) machines. The things never did die, but some of them had to be replaced and new software had to be written, and quite a few programmers made it across the new year with crossed fingers and bated breath (my dad was at the power plant with all of the other nervous wrecks; very few people got to celebrate that new year)

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    6. Re:What Y2K bug? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Back in the 80s, there was a widely used "Leap Year calculator" that turned out to be incorrect post-2000. So, even 4 digit date software ended up having date bugs that needed to be fixed.

    7. Re:What Y2K bug? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. I also thank George W. Bush for all the terrorism we don't have, because of his preemptive actions.

  11. Re:The Y2K Bug? by MarkRebuck · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Y2K bug was NOT a hoax. It was a valid problem that was (for the most part) solved in time. Big difference.

  12. Sounds Like... by Snagle · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The guy must have been lucky or just had a lot of foresight. We could all pretend to act like we knew who he was and say he'll be missed but that would be a lie so let's just give him credit for his contributions. He gets an "A" in my book for thinking up "Esc" and "\", unlike the bastard who invented "CAPS LOCK" !!!

    1. Re:Sounds Like... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, whoever thought up "CTRL-ALT-DEL" is the bastard.

    2. Re:Sounds Like... by shmergin · · Score: 1

      Created Esc, interesting claim to fame. I cant help but think of the Dr Evil line from Austin Powers... "He used to make obscure claims... like he invented the exclamation point..."

    3. Re:Sounds Like... by molo · · Score: 1

      Caps lock was created for backwars-compatible to all-caps-only machines. Think the Apple //e versus the Apple ][+. It actually served a useful purpose in its day. Now, it just takes space up on the keyboard. Remap it to CTRL.

      -molo

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    4. Re:Sounds Like... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Now it helps to type CONSTANT_NAMES without getting RSI from it.

    5. Re:Sounds Like... by Quobobo · · Score: 1

      Agreed, I use it all the time. If you're typing anything in all caps it's useful (no, TYPING LIKE THIS on message boards and IM is not a valid excuse), it's handy. Also, this isn't exactly standard, but I use it to switch between Japanese alphabets (I hate real Japanese keyboards).

    6. Re:Sounds Like... by Jugalator · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, whoever thought up "CTRL-ALT-DEL" is the bastard.

      Hmm... Why?

      It's a perfectly sensible combination since you shouldn't be able to hit the keys accidentally, and are therefore separated from each other.

      But you probably blurted it out because you thought it was a Microsoft innovation. :-P (credit for it goes to David Bradley of IBM)

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    7. Re:Sounds Like... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Caps lock goes back to mechanical typewriters (sometimes called shift lock). That's the backwards compatibility that the key is there for.

    8. Re:Sounds Like... by mysticgoat · · Score: 1

      Caps lock was created for backwars-compatible [sic] to all-caps-only machines.

      Uh, I think it more likely that caps lock was carried over from typewriter technology since it was familiar to touch typists.

      At the time IBM was introducing its first PC, its Selectric typewriter dominated the market. The original 84 key PC keyboard was designed to be like the Selectric keyboard.

      All typewriters of that day had caps lock keys. One of the contributing reasons was because telegrams, that used uppercase only, were still the technology of choice for high speed long distance messaging. Another was carryover from manual typewriter design but that's too long a story for this post.

    9. Re:Sounds Like... by misterpies · · Score: 1


      Whaddaya mean? Bemer invented the caps lock too. That's why he came up with ASCII and not ascii. To give it a purpose.

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    10. Re:Sounds Like... by georgewad · · Score: 1

      Caps lock is one of the MOST important keys on the board. How else can I run all the time in my FPS?

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    11. Re:Sounds Like... by ejasons · · Score: 1
      All typewriters of that day had caps lock keys. One of the contributing reasons was because telegrams, that used uppercase only, were still the technology of choice for high speed long distance messaging. Another was carryover from manual typewriter design but that's too long a story for this post.

      To be pedantic, typewriters had a shift lock, not a caps lock. So hitting the "3" key while locked would generate a "#" (lots of the numeric shift mappings were different between typewriters and current computer mapping, but I think that "3" and "#" were the same...).
    12. Re:Sounds Like... by OhHellWithIt · · Score: 1
      . . .who invented "CAPS LOCK" !!!

      CAPS LOCK has been around a while, in the form of SHIFT LOCK, which was on the Underwood I learned to type on. (That Underwood, by the way, was older than my dad, who is moving from old-fartdom to geezerhood.) IMHO, CAPS LOCK is a vast improvement; at least with CAPS LOCK, you don't get the punctuation marks when you type a number.

      My only complaint is that he didn't give us an "Any" key, so I am never able to continue.

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    13. Re:Sounds Like... by bcmm · · Score: 1

      Map CAPS to CTRL at OS level, and CTRL to "run" at game level. Unless you live a decade in the past and still map CTRL to "fire".

      I did it for ET and it works.

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      Damn, my RAM is full of llamas.
    14. Re:Sounds Like... by bcmm · · Score: 1

      Hmm... no doubt an intended Microsoft bash. But you obviously use Windows yourself or you would know that CTRL+ALT+DEL is also the Linux emergency restart combination.

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      # cat /dev/mem | strings | grep -i llama
      Damn, my RAM is full of llamas.
  13. Sad News .... Bob Bemer, dead at 84 by orthogonal · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Bob Bemer... passed away at his home at the age of 78.

    The AP reported he was 84, and Wikipedia confirms that he was born in 1920.

    In any case, I'd like to commemorate Mr. Bemer with the traditional Slashdot version of a Viking funeral:

    I just heard some sad news on talk radio - COBOL standardizer/Father of ASCII Bob Bemer was found dead in his Texas home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his character set, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.

    1. Re:Sad News .... Bob Bemer, dead at 84 by awkScooby · · Score: 3, Funny
      there's no denying his contributions to popular culture.

      Making ASCII art pr0n possible?

  14. ahhh "esc" by atarione · · Score: 4, Funny

    I keep pressing it and yet I'm still stuck at my crappy job....sigh

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    1. Re:ahhh "esc" by value_added · · Score: 1

      Try remapping the key to something else?

    2. Re:ahhh "esc" by atarione · · Score: 2, Funny

      I tried to remap it to "home" still no go...

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    3. Re:ahhh "esc" by vodhner · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Mr. Bemer invented the ESC character to "escape" into an alternative character set, not to interrupt an operation nor to exit a dialog. He once expressed his displeasure at how the world came to know his brainchild.

      When living in Arizona, he had "ASCII" on his vanity licence plate.

    4. Re:ahhh "esc" by Bitmanhome · · Score: 1

      Order a TAB, it'll help pass the time.

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      Not that this wasn't entirely predictable.
  15. ASCII by Teri+in+Hell · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ASCII really is something of beauty. It is universal (debatable) and useful. Everyone knows how to read or write it. It is simple to use for config for a program because almost any language can read it and interpret it. It is the driving force of the web. We owe a lot to Bob for giving it to us. Plus, even though /. uses a forward slash, it could have been the other way.

    1. Re:ASCII by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > universal
      No it is not.
      > Everyone knows how to read or write it.
      Nope. Only people using latan-based.

      (Not to dis Bob Bemer, and ASCII is a Good Thing)

    2. Re:ASCII by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone knows how to read or write it.

      45 76 65 72 79 6F 6E 65 3F 20 20 53 6F 6D 65 68 6F 77 20 49 20 64 6F 76 62 74 20 74 68 61 74 2E

      5C 5C 20 66 6F 72 65 76 65 72 21

    3. Re:ASCII by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How dare you. My mother was a SAINT!

    4. Re:ASCII by SpaghettiPattern · · Score: 1

      Everyone knows how to read or write it.

      I see you never worked with IBM mainframe specialists. A significant amount of these guys still think Unix is a toy and any other coding than EBCDIC is just too complex and will never reach a significant acceptance level.

      (That's kinda logic considering that most IBM mainframe related jobs are highly overrated [you get too much dough] and are usually done on a side note in a *nix environment. You [well, they] just start thinking what you do is fine, that you don't need to evolve any further and that IBM will be your savor eventually. )

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  16. Math is fun by nwbvt · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Funny, the article that claimed he was 78 mentions that he was born in Febuary, 1920. Now I may not have the best grade in my advanced Calc class, but even I know 2004-1920 != 78.

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    1. Re:Math is fun by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, the article got it a lot closer than me. My calculations came up with an age of -16 years.

    2. Re:Math is fun by Texas+Rose+on+Lava+L · · Score: 1

      What do you want to bet someone wrote this article up in 1998, and then when they pulled it out of the archive, no one remembered to put in the correct age?

    3. Re:Math is fun by ari_j · · Score: 5, Funny

      I wonder if his tombstone will read Here lies Bob Bemer 1920-19104

    4. Re:Math is fun by CountBrass · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The article got it right: Our beloved slashdot editors didn't RTFA (or even the headline which contained his age) before posting the story!

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    5. Re:Math is fun by nwbvt · · Score: 1

      So what, he was supposed to meet with an unfortunate 'accident' back then but narrowly escaped death? I guess some people didn't like what he was saying about Y2K back in 1998.

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    6. Re:Math is fun by mikael · · Score: 1

      From the linked article outside of slashdot:

      Computer pioneer Bob Bemer, who published Y2K warnings in '70s, dies at 78

      POSSUM KINGDOM LAKE, Texas (AP) - Bob Bemer, a computer pioneer who published warnings of the Y2K problem in the early 1970s and helped invent a widely used coding system, has died after a battle with cancer. He was 84.


      I know reports on a story can vary on minor details, but couldn't the title and body of the same story both agree on the same age?

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    7. Re:Math is fun by iridiumz0r · · Score: 2, Informative

      The article didn't get it right in the headline. Read the big bold bit at the top. It says "Computer pioneer Bob Bemer, who published Y2K warnings in '70s, dies at 78" It then goes on shortly after that to say: "...has died after a battle with cancer. He was 84."

    8. Re:Math is fun by agwadude · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No, major news sources regularly write up standard articles/obituaries for old famous people. In fact, last year in April, CNN accidentally made public obituaries on their website for Cheney, Reagan, the Pope, Fidel Castro, and others.

    9. Re:Math is fun by Otter · · Score: 3, Funny

      In keeping with his computer science background, they initially gave his age in base 10.85.

    10. Re:Math is fun by nwbvt · · Score: 1
      I know of the practice, I was making this thing called a 'joke'.

      I really should start putting disclaimers at the end of my posts saying when to not take them seriously. Though its not as bad as the time when I made a sarcastic comment about nuclear weapons being used in every war since WW2 (I think it was in response to someone claiming that once the technology is out of the bag, it will be used and no one can stop it) and some Vietnam vet got mad at me.

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    11. Re:Math is fun by wattpuppy · · Score: 1

      Good one!

    12. Re:Math is fun by Mr2cents · · Score: 2, Funny

      Funny, the article that claimed he was 78 mentions that he was born in Febuary, 1920. Now I may not have the best grade in my advanced Calc class, but even I know 2004-1920 != 78.


      It's a Y2K bug..

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    13. Re:Math is fun by syrrys · · Score: 0

      Yura masterbator...not a moderator.

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  17. RIP by burtonator · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Rest\ In\ Peace
    1. Re:RIP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow.. that was insightful? Try this one, mods..

      He is dead. That is bad. I am sad. :(.

    2. Re:RIP by BenjyD · · Score: 1

      You don't use shells very often then I guess. Those funny line things are backslashes used to escape the next character - in this case, a space. go read the article.

    3. Re:RIP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No they're not - they're yen symbols.

      I love reading /. on a JIS-ROMAN terminal... ;)

    4. Re:RIP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you mean

      Requiescat\ In\ Pace

  18. Do you think... by jubitzu · · Score: 1

    ...he can read his email from beyond the grave?

  19. Rest in Peace - You were a true Pioneer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bob Bemer rest in peace - your legacy will live on forever - this text is all ASCII , i am going to use backspace in the end to show how valubale this key is along with Esc key which escapes the program when i need to ... thanks Bob Bemer Rest in peace, you were one of the true pioneer in the computer world which we we really rely on today...you created one of the building blocks for the foundation of the internet and technological future...thank you and rest in peace

    1. Re:Rest in Peace - You were a true Pioneer by Reivec · · Score: 2, Funny

      You forgot the backslash! Anyone else find it earie that the \ is an "escape" character, and he came up with the Esc key as well? ;)

    2. Re:Rest in Peace - You were a true Pioneer by pclminion · · Score: 1
      Anyone else find it earie that the \ is an "escape" character, and he came up with the Esc key as well? ;)

      No, it isn't eerie at all, because what he came up with was the concept of an escape character, not the ESC key. Once again, Slashdot gets the story wrong.

  20. ASCII Art Tributes? by geofforius · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There must be people out there with a bit of talent willing to have a crack at this!

  21. Nice troll... by Otto · · Score: 5, Interesting

    First, considering the vast amount of code that was changed to ensure that nothing happened, the fact that nothing happened only show sthat somebody did their job correctly.

    Second, a lot did, in fact, happen. A hell of a lot of code out there failed when rollover occurred. Nothing critical happened because that code was known to be critical and was thoroughly tested prior to the rollover.

    Third, Russia and other countries are not full of fools, you know. They spent quite a lot doing Y2K related changes also. You're making unwarrented assumptions.

    I grant you that the media frenzy was stupid, but that's the media. At one point I saw some media jack-off claiming that elevators would plummet to the ground, killing those trapped inside and causing major property damage and so forth. Let's be freakin' realistic. Nothing as silly as that would happen because embedded systems like that don't often depend on the frickin' date to work properly. The real risks were in financial software, for the most part. Stuff that did depend on date. And most of it was fixed before the problem happened.

    Thus nothing happened because that was the desired outcome, and the reason we spent so much money in the first place. If something major had occurred, you'd have a real reason to bitch about the money that was spent, wouldn't you?

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  22. Backslash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Now I know who is to blame for letting microsoft use backslashes in path names.

    1. Re:Backslash by MalleusEBHC · · Score: 1

      I'll gladly let that slide since I need the backslash for an escape character in a shell.

      'Course, that's the OS X user in me talking.

    2. Re:Backslash by stuntpope · · Score: 1

      I blame Microsoft for making the general public think *all* slashes are backslashes. Do you know how many people read off a URL to me as "http colon backslash backslash..."?

    3. Re:Backslash by MrPoopyPants · · Score: 1

      I hate telling people paths or urls and they don't understand that there is a "slash" and a "backslash". It kinda goes like this:

      Me: "type 'ls slash home, slash ...' "
      Them: "Which one?"
      Me: "slash home slash ... "
      Them: "Which slash?"
      Me: "Slash"
      Them: "Which one?"
      Me: "Slash"
      Them: "Back-slash?"
      Me: "Slash!"

    4. Re:Backslash by Curate · · Score: 1

      Allow me to parody... Me: "type 'dir C colon backslash ...'" Them: "Which one?" Me: "C colon backslash ..." Them: "Which colon?" Me: "Colon" Them: "Which one?" Me: "Colon" Them: "Semi-colon?" Me: "Colon!" ;)

    5. Re:Backslash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hate telling people paths or urls and they don't understand that there is a "slash" and a "backslash".

      What I do when they start to ask about the slash-backslash, I just say "the one under the ? mark".

  23. Re:The Y2K Bug? by awkScooby · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I was lead developer on the team which was tasked with scanning all of the computers at my University for Y2K compliance. A couple of systems failed, because their BIOS wouldn't handle Y2K properly. So on the desktop support side we found problems ahead of time and fixed them.

    Our programmers spent an enormous amount of time updating code which certainly wouldn't have worked after the date change. A lot of applications the University relies on would have failed had that work not been done.

    Hoax? I don't think so.

    More recently, OpenAFS experienced a January 10, 2004 bug (when UNIX time reached 2^30). The election mechanism broke, so servers stopped synchronizing databases, which meant that no new volumes, users or groups could be created. It turned out to be a wrong bitmask in one place, so it was easily fixed.

    Y2K would have been far, far worse than this if the problem had not been pointed out ahead of time.

  24. Nice editing of the article... by Acaila · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "Computer pioneer Bob Bemer, who published Y2K warnings in '70s, dies at 78" ....
    "has died after a battle with cancer. He was 84."

    2nd paragraph contradicts the first...

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    1. Re:Nice editing of the article... by blair1q · · Score: 3, Funny

      >dies at 78

      The article was written in base 10 and 6/7ths.

    2. Re:Nice editing of the article... by zerocool^ · · Score: 1

      My thought on this is that major news outlets do writeups of popular figures before they die so that they can be out first with a touching biography. So, someone forgot to change the year when they dug out the bio they wrote 6 years ago on this guy.

      Just a theory.

      ~Will

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  25. he makes me so mad by circletimessquare · · Score: 1, Funny

    he forgot to include the "any" key on the keyboard though, and i've been looking for it for years

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    1. Re:he makes me so mad by Nova1313 · · Score: 1

      aparently you dont have a sun keyboard!

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    2. Re:he makes me so mad by Mazem · · Score: 1
      he forgot to include the "any" key on the keyboard though, and i've been looking for it for years

      Here it is. Tricky little bugger, that anykey.
  26. Y10k bug by sbergman2 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just for the record, I would like to predict that on Jan 1, 10000 much of the software currently in existence will malfunction unless it is modified to handle 5 digit years. Bemer made his prediction 29 years in advance. I'm making mine 7996 years in advance. So there! :-)

    1. Re:Y10k bug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can see it now: Year 9999, programmers work around the clock to fix enormous, ancient FORTRAN programs.

    2. Re:Y10k bug by 0racle · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Only if you keep using outdated and poorly engineered OS's and hardware instead of Power Macs which are designed to handle dates through A.D. 29,940

      Disclaimer: Y2K was nothing but overblown crap reported on by the uninformed media, and I would not want to be in any way associated with it. I just found it funny that PPC Mac's handle such huge dates.

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    3. Re:Y10k bug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The funny thing about Y2K was that the people who had problems were the same people who told themselves they "designed it right to begin with". (ermm, Lotus Notes.) You can bet that tons of PowerMac software, including Apple system stuff, still has date bugs.

    4. Re:Y10k bug by MST3K · · Score: 1

      No doubt people will frantically run to their grocery stores (or whatever the year 10,000 equivalent will be) and stock up on food resources. Also, at least one major television network will dig out with godawful Y2K "thriller" movie, edit in the years 9,999 and 10,000, and market it as a "horror story of tomorrow" just a week before New Years.

    5. Re:Y10k bug by khallow · · Score: 1

      And they have to vat grow from scratch cobol programmers for data bases that have been around longer than dirt. No one thinks that way any more.

    6. Re:Y10k bug by Basehart · · Score: 1

      There won't be a Jan 1 in the year 10,000 - it'll be Jan 01.3487755132124 I bet

    7. Re:Y10k bug by johannesg · · Score: 1
      Consider this: that's further away from us than we are from the earliest memories of the start of human civilisation (say, 5000 years or so ago). I find it extremely hard to believe there will still be humans on this planet by then, AND them still remembering (let alone using) anything we have thought up.

      Then again, for some reason the notion of one of them going, "oh crap you mean that after doing nothing for ***8000*** years I now have to stay in the weekend to fix this!?" seems well within the realm of the possible...

    8. Re:Y10k bug by zerocool^ · · Score: 1

      I'd actually be much more worried about UNIX time overflowing the 32 bit integer. In 2038, the number of seconds since Jan 1, 1970 will roll over the limit for an unsigned 32 bit integer.

      It's time to upgrade to 64 bit unix time, so that you don't have to worry about the roll-over until A.D. 292,278,994.

      ~W

      --
      sig?
    9. Re:Y10k bug by Xpilot · · Score: 1

      Only if you keep using outdated and poorly engineered OS's and hardware instead of Power Macs which are designed to handle dates through A.D. 29,940

      I hereby predict the Y29,941 bug, affecting all you smug Mac users when you have all but forgotten about it! So there!

      --
      "Backups are for wimps. Real men upload their data to an FTP site and have everyone else mirror it." -- Linus Torvalds
    10. Re:Y10k bug by CGP314 · · Score: 1

      I call dibs on the Y29.94K problem.

    11. Re:Y10k bug by tokul · · Score: 1

      Windows XP and PhotoShop CS will have problems with dates long before that.

    12. Re:Y10k bug by digidave · · Score: 1

      "Y2K was nothing but overblown crap reported on by the uninformed media"

      Don't be so naive. Y2K was arguably the greatest success in our computing history. There were MAJOR Y2K bugs as late as 1999, but the hard work of a lot of programmers working a lot of hours paid off.

      For instance, my brother is a bank executive and as late as December 1998 when they thought all the bugs were out they ran a whole-system test with the date set past 2000 and most of the system was inoperable. Had they not fixed the remaining bugs, 65% of Canadian businesses would not have been able to process credit or debit card transactions.

      Where I will agree with you is that some media did report on idiotic problems like planes falling out of the sky. The results wouldn't have been cataclysmic over a short period of time. Many businesses would have resorted to a temporary paper system, but life would have gone on.

      --
      The global economy is a great thing until you feel it locally.
    13. Re:Y10k bug by I8TheWorm · · Score: 1

      Funny, because I spent the better part of three years converting code to correct the issue. The companies I consulted for tested their systems and had catastrophic failures. Now, it's not like they were running power grids, but financial transactions became catastrophc monetarily.

      --
      Saying Android is a family of phones is akin to saying Linux is a family of PCs.
    14. Re:Y10k bug by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      Hmm. . . 2^63 (assume signed int) is 1.8x10^19, Divide that by
      3x10^7 (the number of seconds in a year) to get 6x10^11, or
      600,000,000,000 years.

      Hmm. . . Better stock up on those 128-bit processors.

    15. Re:Y10k bug by amigan940 · · Score: 1

      This was an April 1st RFC (RFC2250)

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    16. Re:Y10k bug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know about you, but I don't mind if my computer doesn't recognize dates past the probable lifespan of Homo Sapiens Sapiens :)

  27. Maybe he participated on this site by Anonymous+Writer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As recently as a month ago, "He was on the computer every day," Teeler said Wednesday. "He is a man who literally worked just about every day until he died. He felt at home sitting in front of a (computer) screen."

    Do you people think he knew about Slashdot? Maybe he actually had an account and got involved with the story discussions. For all you know, he may have been a regular comment and story submitter on this site and nobody will notice his disappearance. Just a thought.

    1. Re:Maybe he participated on this site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, of course I knew about Slashdot! I visited and posted all the time.

      Bob Bemer
      P.S. You won't BELIEVE the 1337 computer setup I have now!

    2. Re:Maybe he participated on this site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      who literally worked just about every day

      Do you people think he knew about Slashdot?

      You read slashdot for work? Where can I sign up?

    3. Re:Maybe he participated on this site by antdude · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's not me for sure. [grin]

      --
      Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
    4. Re:Maybe he participated on this site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suppose we best have a head count then. Everyone reply in this thread so we can work out who's missing. I'll start:

      "Anonymous Coward present"

  28. Mods miss the point yet again by drkhwk · · Score: 1

    I just heard some sad news on talk radio - COBOL standardizer/Father of ASCII Bob Bemer was found dead in his Texas home this morning.

    Why is this marked Interesting? Hello, mods?

    This is obviously a takeoff on the "Stephen King was found dead.." troll post.

    1. Re:Mods miss the point yet again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      YOU ARE DENSE.

  29. Goodbye Bob by f1ipf10p · · Score: 5, Insightful

    EBCDIC to ASCII was as big a step as ASCII to Unicode. I hope that Bob's next step is even bigger. May he join that big computer in the sky and have restful NOOP's;

    from my (limited) COBOL days-

    CLOSE mName-# BobBemer

    Thanks Bob.

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    ~8^]
    1. Re:Goodbye Bob by f1ipf10p · · Score: 1

      Where is the flamebait in this? Maybe the person with Mod points just don't understand! This is a compliment to his ASCII development and a tribute (albeit a bit lame) to his development of COBOL...

      --
      ~8^]
    2. Re:Goodbye Bob by Maserati · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Looks like a good day to metamoderate...

      --
      Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1992-1951
    3. Re:Goodbye Bob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Proof, yet again, that moderators smoke crack.

    4. Re:Goodbye Bob by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      Why isn't there a heartwarming moderation selection? :(

      --
      Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
    5. Re:Goodbye Bob by kahei · · Score: 0

      EBCDIC to ASCII was as big a step as ASCII to Unicode.

      EBCDIC: Largely arbitrary 7/8-bit set of encoded char sets designed to fit the needs of various specialized groups of people in various (IBM-supported) languages.

      ASCII: Largely arbitrary 7-bit encoded character set designed to fit the needs of one specialized group in one (1) language.

      UNICODE: Enormous, multiplane encoded character set, with collation tables and combining rules and much other auxiliary information, designed to represent all current commonly-used text and to have lossless 2-way conversion with all current commonly-used character sets.

      ASCII != step forward

      --
      Whence? Hence. Whither? Thither.
    6. Re:Goodbye Bob by f1ipf10p · · Score: 1

      OK, so perhaps better stated "where ASCII was one small step for man, Unicode is one giant leap for mankind."

      Still, I view ASCII as a step forward.

      I have very little use for the PN (Punch On) or PF (Punch Off) in EBCDIC these days. My punch card stack got all out of order and then I spilled Jolt on them...

      Not to mention that in EBCDIC this site would be "BELL ACK", not "/." , based on binary or decimal codes for current use translated into EBCDIC.

      And, please, let's remember that both ASCII and EBCDIC mapped binary and decimal to other characters/functions.

      The machines can only use binary (check the computer related meaning of flipflop). Decimal was the thing we humans learned (probably because most have ten digits on our hands counting fingers and thumbs). The need to represent things other than numbers (because not all humans are mathmaticians) was what drove EBCDIC, ASCII, and Unicode.

      For extra fun, try programming with just Binary Coded Decimal, the 4-bit set that Extended Binary Coded Decimal Interchange Code extended in the first place. Even EBCDIC was a step forward at one point.

      No doubt my original statement was a bit off (pun intended). Unicode is a much greater advance. But ASCII still seems a step forward to me. Particularly considering the time period.

      Thank still go to Mr. Bob Bemer.

      --
      ~8^]
  30. Re:Y2K Prediction by ezHiker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It comes down to not giving a shit about things years in the future in order to satisfy immediate needs or desires.
    Well... not exactly. In 1971 (or in 1981 for that matter), computers didn't have a lot of memory. Writing code with 2-digit years could save what was then a lot of memory, and I'd bet that most of the programmers figured that their software would either be obsolete or re-written by the time 2000 came around. For the most part, they were right.

  31. Predicted, but did anyone care? by keefey · · Score: 3, Interesting

    He surely can't have been the only one to predict the Y2K issue, however he was probably one of the only people, back then, that actually cared. I constantly hear the argument "ah well, they'll not be using it in x years time, so we can forget about that; it's not an issue".

    Well, it was! Now, what happens when the number of seconds since 1970 rolls over the maximum digit for an int?

    1. Re:Predicted, but did anyone care? by Kaenneth · · Score: 1

      Actally, y2k was a problem back in 1970, many Mortages are 30 year duration, so financial applications had to cope with it back then.

      And the money saved back then by using 2 digit years plus interest, is greater than the cost of fixing the 'y2k bug'; it was a valid engineering decision.

    2. Re:Predicted, but did anyone care? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Actally, y2k was a problem back in 1970, many Mortages are 30 year duration

      And Pension Plan software had to deal with people born before 1900.

    3. Re:Predicted, but did anyone care? by JohnBaleshiski · · Score: 1

      > Well, it was! Now, what happens when the number of seconds since 1970 rolls over the maximum digit for an int? We move from 32 bit integers to 64 bit integers. And that needs to happen before January 19th, 2038. From there, we can ignore it for eons.

    4. Re:Predicted, but did anyone care? by pclminion · · Score: 1
      Now, what happens when the number of seconds since 1970 rolls over the maximum digit for an int?

      If integers are still only 32 bits wide in 2034, I'll die of shame.

    5. Re:Predicted, but did anyone care? by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1

      Now, what happens when the number of seconds since 1970 rolls over the maximum digit for an int?

      Hopefully we'll all have graduated to 64-bit or better hardware and software by 2038. That'll give us 292 billion years before the next crisis.

  32. It figures by Skapare · · Score: 4, Funny

    It figures that his age across the year 2000 would end up being miscalculated by someone ... or something.

    --
    now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
  33. ASCII was invented at IBM..? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And here I thought the reason why IBM continued to use EBCEDIC for so long was due to a case of not invented here syndrome.

  34. note that Y2K was real! by ron_ivi · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Note that both
    Yahoo and Microsoft hit their all-time highs during the week of Y2K, and never recovered since.


    Anyone who says the Y2K problem wasn't real, hasn't been following tech stocks.

    1. Re:note that Y2K was real! by ron_ivi · · Score: 3, Interesting
      And here's the stock charts showing how right at Y2000 Yahoo and Microsoft began the decline from which they never recovered.

      not sure why the link didn't show in the last posting.

    2. Re:note that Y2K was real! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was the .com bubble bursting, not y2k. Everything dropped like a stone around that time, having yet to fully recover.

    3. Re:note that Y2K was real! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hopefully some b-school will do a study determinining how much of the .com bubble was actually based on sales inflated for Y2K.

      I know of at least one case where management refused to replace a system for Y2K reasons but did replace it in order to become "Internet-enabled".

    4. Re:note that Y2K was real! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      For YHOO, perhaps -- but the extreme consultant driven "upgrade euphoria" leading up to Y2000 just before the feared event is probably what ran Microsoft up to unbelievable levels.

      Since that date, there's been Zero reason to upgrade microsoft software. (ob. slashdot - unless you're upgrading to linux)

    5. Re:note that Y2K was real! by Idarubicin · · Score: 1
      And here's the stock charts showing how right at Y2000 Yahoo and Microsoft began the decline from which they never recovered.

      Further proof that Y2K isn't a bug, it's a feature.

      --
      ~Idarubicin
  35. I'd give you his new address, but.... by NarrMaster · · Score: 0

    the spammers would have a field day. It would just be wrong for a dead man to recieve email with the headline: "New \/i@kra will keep you hard as a rock for up to 3 hours!"

    --
    That's right. All your base.
  36. Re:Y2K Prediction by mark-t · · Score: 4, Insightful
    You are right... the problem was memory.

    And using 2 digit years was a perfectly acceptable solution for the time.

    The only serious mistake they made was not in using 2 digit years, but in failing to create sufficient abstraction around the concept of a date that it was not possible to change the underlying implementation of a date without being forced to rewrite the software which was dependant on it. Data conversion would probably still have been required, but that could have been automated.

    Of course, if they had done this in the first place. COBOL programmers wouldn't have been able to demand nearly as much of a salary as they did in the late 90's. Hmm... I smell a conspiracy. :)

  37. John Titor, apparently.... by NarrMaster · · Score: 0

    Or so say the doomsayers. JohnTitor.com
    Something about fixing legacy machines in 2038 or something.

    --
    That's right. All your base.
    1. Re:John Titor, apparently.... by keefey · · Score: 1

      Wow , took a look at that site, and it's all pretty freaky. However, I don't believe a word of it - The Mad Cow thing lets it all down for me! It's someone 'aving a larf!

    2. Re:John Titor, apparently.... by NarrMaster · · Score: 0

      Agreed. Although this is a good way to tell a story. Don't tell someone its a story, and role play it out.

      --
      That's right. All your base.
  38. His Exact words on Y2K !! by phreakv6 · · Score: 5, Informative

    ''Don't drop the first two digits. The program may well fail from ambiguity in the Year 2000.''

    He wrote this in his article "Time and the Computer" way back in the 70's.

    --
    fifteen jugglers, five believers
    1. Re:His Exact words on Y2K !! by radd0 · · Score: 0, Redundant

      I'm here to warn you of the dangers that lie ahead for Y10K.

  39. interesting indeed... by glMatrixMode · · Score: 2, Insightful

    > More interesting is that he predicted the Y2K bug all the way back in 1971!"

    which has not happened.

    --
    War doesn't prove who's right, just who's left.
    1. Re:interesting indeed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      which has not happened.

      Because smart people like him did something about it.

    2. Re:interesting indeed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure it's happened, how else can you explain the discrepency between 78 and 84 if not for the Y2k bug deleting those 6 years?

    3. Re:interesting indeed... by glMatrixMode · · Score: 1
      I know that some computer systems have been built in such a way that they would crash on Y2K. But everyone knew this, so it was plain obvious that it's be fixed in time. The press has widely FUDded us on this one and it's a pity to see that even today there are people here trying to defend this press.

      I say that the computer press has gone exactly as low as the gurus who announced the apocalypse for Y2K.

      Concerning the argument "you're not thankful towards the coders who fixed it" : the Y2K was not an especially tough one to fix. Compare with other software maintenance problems. I don't understand why so much noise has been done about that.
      Because smart people like him did something about it.
      If it hadn't been him, it'd had been the next one to bother mentionning it to an ignorant journalist.
      --
      War doesn't prove who's right, just who's left.
    4. Re:interesting indeed... by CountBrass · · Score: 1

      If it hadn't been him, it'd had been the next one to bother mentionning(sic) it to an ignorant journalist you're right! And damn that Einstein the over-rated git: I'm sure if he hadn't mentioned relativity someone else would have: and people think he was a genius tsk! It's only common knowledge and common sense once someone has said it!

      --
      Bad analogies are like waxing a monkey with a rainbow.
    5. Re:interesting indeed... by glMatrixMode · · Score: 1

      Would you go as far as comparing this guy to Einstein ? If not, then what's your point ?

      Besides, please don't write "sic" when people misspell on internet, it's not easy to write a perfect english when it's not your native language.

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      War doesn't prove who's right, just who's left.
  40. Backslash by thelenm · · Score: 1

    What a shame that something with such a powerful influence for good (as an escape for special characters) could be perverted and made so powerfully evil (as a directory separator under DOS/Windows).

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  41. Escape by roalt · · Score: 1
    Bob Bemer, the man who helped introduce the backslash as well as the escape key to computing

    So he invented the escape, but who invented the Meta-X key-combination?

  42. Re:Y2K Prediction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One big problem was that the COBOL libraries people were using weren't updated for Y2K until the late 80s -- by the time which many of the systems were in maintenance mode.

    The other issue was that IBM was dying in the early 90s. Many shops were planning to replace their mainframes with Y2K-compliant and cheaper Unix systems. Many succeeded, but others failed and ended up fixing Y2K issues at the last minute on systems that were supposed to be offline by Y2K.

  43. Not that backslash by girgit · · Score: 1

    For a moment I thought he had something do with the backslash that separates directories in M$, the one they got changed from the frontslash so as to cause confusion between a frontslash and backslash (I know many Windoze lusers who call these backwards) and introduce terms such as reverse-backslash.
    No, this was the good guy. What a relief.

    1. Re:Not that backslash by Detritus · · Score: 2, Informative
      It wasn't Microsoft's fault, although they could have picked another character other than the backslash.

      Windows was descended from MS-DOS which was a clone of CP/M which was inspired by some old DEC operating systems that reserved the forward slash for command-line options.

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  44. Had the pleasure to chat with him by SdnSeraphim · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I recently, from about 1 1/2 years ago, until a couple of months ago, had the pleasure to exchange e-mails. He was very easy going, and responded to every one of my e-mails, even when they weren't that important. Even though I didn't know him past the history on his website, the way he treated me, a complete stranger, tells me that there was something special about him, past his "father of ASCII" title.

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    It is dangerous to be right on a subject on which the established authorities are wrong. - Voltaire
    1. Re:Had the pleasure to chat with him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So he was a nice guy with lots of time to spend.

    2. Re:Had the pleasure to chat with him by pclminion · · Score: 1

      Don't you mean 1 1\2 years?

  45. Re:Y2K Prediction by Stanza · · Score: 1
    The only serious mistake they made was not in using 2 digit years, but in failing to create sufficient abstraction around the concept of a date that it was not possible to change the underlying implementation of a date without being forced to rewrite the software which was dependant on it.


    I think if they included an abstraction layer around the concept of a date, they'd use up more than the two bytes they were trying to save.

  46. Slashdot by starphish · · Score: 2, Interesting
    This may be moderated as funny, but it's true.

    Slashdot would not have existed in its current form without the backslash. There may have been the web, but no /. would exist. Perhaps dashdot, or dotdot, but no slashdot.

    --
    Yeah, yeah, yeah. The story is a dupe, the topic is boring, the facts weren't checked. WE GET IT!!
    1. Re:Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What does the forward slash "/" used on slashdot have to do with backslash "\" ?

    2. Re:Slashdot by pe1chl · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And without Microsoft, there would not be so many people who believe that '/' is the backslash character, and that '\' and '/' are somehow equivalent.

    3. Re:Slashdot by Errtu76 · · Score: 1

      when everyone knows that they're really designed to make that cool rotating 'busy' symbol in dos

    4. Re:Slashdot by /dev/trash · · Score: 1

      Uh..... it's not called backslashdot.

  47. Re:Y2K Prediction by mark-t · · Score: 1

    That abstraction layer would only have a single instance... it wouldn't need to be stored with each and every date.

  48. Re:The Y2K Bug? by N4DMX · · Score: 1

    Indeed, old RPG payroll programs would have generated a lot of anger and confusion on paypay in my area, as a lot of the plants and factories still use AS/400's...

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  49. For the lazy: by complete+loony · · Score: 4, Interesting
    DEC OCT HEX BINARY
    082 122 052 01010010 R
    073 111 049 01001001 I
    080 120 050 01010000 P
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    09F91102 no, 455FE104 nope, F190A1E8 uh-uh, 7A5F8A09 that's not it, C87294CE no. Ah! 452F6E403CDF10714E41DFAA257D313F.
  50. Re:The Y2K Bug? by timiscool999 · · Score: 1

    From what I remember, it cost the United States 100 BILLION dollars (Dr. Evil's plan?) to fix.

    On another note, there was only one known death directly related to the Y2K bug. It was a Japanese programmer who was assigned to fix a crapload of code that wasn't Y2K compliant. He commited suicide.

    Not sure if the second story is true, but it makes for a good computer story for my non-computer friends !

  51. I'm ahead of my time by badansible · · Score: 0, Redundant

    And so I... predict the Y10K bug! Sadly enough, I'd bet we'll have the same problem in year 10000... (but it will come handy to push the economy)

  52. OT but still (slightly) relevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Slashdot's current quote at the bottom of the page:
    Death is nature's way of saying `Howdy'.

    That's all I have to say, mod accordingly. :)
  53. Life... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    "Because we don't know when we will die, we get to thinking life is an inexhaustible well.
    Yet, everything happens only a certain number of times and a very small one, but really.
    How many more times will you remember a certain afternoon of your childhood that is so deeply a part of your being that you can't even conceive of your life without it?
    Perhaps four or five times more, perhaps not even that.
    How many more times will you watch the full moon rise?
    Perhaps twenty, and yet it all seems limitless..."

    (The Sheltering Sky by Paul Bowles)
  54. Asshats.. by cepheusfilms · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Here is a guy who imagined amazing things and contributed to the start of the computer revolution, and yet.. What does slashdot users do? ATTEMPT to think up witty and STUPID remarks to get themselves a nice "5 FUNNY" remark in their posts. Get a grip. Here is a great icon that has passed on. Why don't you take a moment to admire what he has done instead of being a total fuck? C

    1. Re:Asshats.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What does slashdot users do? ATTEMPT to think up witty and STUPID remarks to get themselves a nice "5 FUNNY" remark in their posts. Get a grip. Here is a great icon that has passed on. Why don't you take a moment to admire what he has done instead of being a total fuck?

      It's our ritual way of celebrating his life. If we didn't admire him, we wouldn't bother posting smartass comments about ASCII and COBOL. Think of it as like getting pissed at a wake - it's not disrespectful, it's the socially accepted behaviour.

      Why don't you take a moment to consider the context instead of being a total fuck?

  55. Backslash in directories by Tekoneiric · · Score: 0, Troll

    What I'd like to know is who the a__hole was that decided to use the \ as a directory separator in MS-DOS, which was passed along to Winblows.

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    *It's not what you can do for the Dark Side but what the Dark Side can do for you!*
    1. Re:Backslash in directories by gile · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Because none of you can figure this one out...

      MS-DOS 1: No subdirectories, so no need for path separation other than by drive letter. Programs that take option switches need a character to mark them as switches. For some reason, '/' was chosen.

      MS-DOS 2+: Subdirectories. Now we need path separation. '/' seems like the most obvious choice. But... backwards-compatibility overrules all here, so we go with the sub-optimal '\'.

      Horror ensues.

    2. Re:Backslash in directories by eyenot · · Score: 1

      i started with ms-dos, but i'll always prefer the ease of using dash to limit arguments. frankly i don't know why slashes are used for directories, at all, when commas would work just fine (as long as they invalidate directory names) and are more common to typists.

      --
      "Stratigraphically the origin of agriculture and thermonuclear destruction will appear essentially simultaneous" -- Lee
    3. Re:Backslash in directories by aethelferth · · Score: 1

      Why did MS-DOS use / for switches? Because CPM used / because old DEC operating systems used / ... Ever wonder why they are called "switches"? Because some programs didn't even have a command line, and you had to flip switches on the front panel to tell the program what you wanted to do. (I remember using them to tell the PDP-8 assembler, PAL III, which pass you were doing [read the source once to generate the symbol table, read the source again to generate a binary tape, read the source again to generate a listing) among other things.)

    4. Re:Backslash in directories by Tekoneiric · · Score: 1

      Thankfully, some of us skipped using MS-DOS and early versions of Windows as our main operating systems. I'm glad I took the Commodore 8bit and Amiga path in my early computer years.

      --
      *It's not what you can do for the Dark Side but what the Dark Side can do for you!*
  56. Few acheivements ! by phreakv6 · · Score: 1

    He was the father of ASCII
    He was the father of COBOL
    First published the time-sharing concept
    First predicted the Y2K problem
    Original paper on ESCape charecter

    --
    fifteen jugglers, five believers
  57. Re:Y2K Prediction by DunbarTheInept · · Score: 2, Informative

    Prior to the late 1990's, it was common practice to write the year as just two digits. And no, I'm not talking about in computer programs. I mean in documents and handwriting. You could write a check and give it a date like 1/2/85 and that would be accepted. Everyone did this. If you are writing a log of an activity, you used a two digit date. If you are keeping a ledger, you used a two digit date. Therefore I don't accept the claim that storage savings was the primary drive behind keeping only two digits for the year. If you wanted to save bytes that tightly, you shouldn't even be writing out the date in inefficient ascii form anyway. It would be done as an integer. Doing that, you can store a date in three bytes - a byte int for the month, a byte int for the day of the month, and a byte int for the offset since 1900. That would have saved 3 bytes more than the MMDDYY format, and lasted until the year 1900 + 255 = 2155. Even if you did it using IBM/COBOL's insane "Binary Coded Decimal" format, you could still express all dates from 1900 to 1999 in three bytes that way.

    So I don't believe it was done for space savings. It was done merely because it was the same convention people used *outside* computers, and so that's what the programmers were familiar with.

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    Don't label something "offtopic" unless you know the topic well enough to tell what's on topic.

  58. His Athletic Prowess by beders · · Score: 1

    No-one seems to have mentioned his long jump record, 8.90 metres (29 feet 2.5 inches) at the 1968 Olympic Games in Mexico City.

    http://www.britannica.com/eb/article?eu=14105

    I am of course joking, rest in pei^Hace

  59. Yes, It was always a pleasure to chat with him by orcmid · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That's nice to hear. Thanks. I worked for Bob while he was Director of Software at Sperry Univac in the 60's. He was a lot of fun: kept calling me "Bub." I found him on the web prior to Y2K as the result of an article reporting that he was suggesting a repair that would not require people to remap existing records. (He wanted to pack the numbers tighter and buy some time.)

    I exchanged e-mail with him a few times in the last few years, and I had a chance to acknowledge the inspiration he was for me while he was still around. I don't know that he was around here. When I last exchanged e-mail with him he was frustrated about what it took to maintain his web site. Your contact was more recent. What do you think?

    I guess he was a geek at heart. I had produced a fast decimal-to-binary algorithm for a machine that didn't have a built-in converter but addressed in binary and calculated in decimal (makes subscripting hard). He was the only one of his organization that worked it over and took more cycles out of it, and then I took out more using his ideas. He thanked me for giving him a chance to play. He also worried about improving programming languages, establishing software forensics, and making software engineering an activity that exploited reusable piece parts, anticipating components by a good 30 years. He funded Peter Landin and Bill Burge's work on Functional Programming in the US. He also understood about small details, like character sets and escape techniques. With regard to his people, he didn't believe in burning out developers and he thought there was a lot of life to be had outside of the office. I'm pleased to learn that he was active to the end. I'll never forget him. -- Dennis E. Hamilton

    1. Re:Yes, It was always a pleasure to chat with him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Thanks. Great post.

      Mod parent up moderators.

  60. It's escape CHARACTER, not key by karnat10 · · Score: 5, Informative


    he defined the concept of using a special character to "escape" from one character set to another, and proposed to use the backslash for this (which hadn't existed in character sets until then).

    the escape key has nothing to do with this!

    thanks, slashdot editors, for misinforming people

  61. Re:Goodbye Bob, COBOL by complete+loony · · Score: 1
    CLOSE mName-# BobBemer

    I think you need a '.' at the end (it was a couple of years ago, and I only did some COBOL for a couple of weeks, so what do I know)

    --
    09F91102 no, 455FE104 nope, F190A1E8 uh-uh, 7A5F8A09 that's not it, C87294CE no. Ah! 452F6E403CDF10714E41DFAA257D313F.
  62. I worked with Bob for a number of years by CactusCritter · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Back in about 1964, when I was an engineer and a member of the Cincinnati-Dayton Chapter of the ACM, I was surprised to learn from busines-programming members that 2-digit year representation was being used. We agreed that it had better not be too long before the 2-digit year was replaced in databases.

    When Bob's article on the Y2K problem appeared in 1971, I was surprised that nothing had been done. Of course, disk storage space was still quite pricey. I thought that Bob's article would stir things up.

    When Y2K finally publicly surfaced in 1998 or 1999, I was stunned that not a damned thing had been done since Bob's definitive 1971 article on the topic.

    Last year when I was proofing a local guru friend's in-process book ("The Healthy PC" by Carey Holzman, Osborne-McGraw Hill), we fell into a dispute (which I lost, of course) about his belief that Y2K should be described as a bug (because that's the way it was presented to the public) rather than a temporary disk space-saving convenience which had lived much too long.

    I got in touch with Bob Bemer, with whom I had worked in the 1970s and 1980s, about what had actually gone down. He was very gracious and sent me a URL for a definitive newspaper article on Y2K:
    http://www.bobbemer.com/weingart.htm

    Bob was a very gracious person, as someone else observed, and both pleasant and impressive to work with; I knew somewhat of what he had accomplished.

    1. Re:I worked with Bob for a number of years by eyenot · · Score: 1

      Thanks for sharing these close experiences with us. So, did you work on X3.64 ?

      --
      "Stratigraphically the origin of agriculture and thermonuclear destruction will appear essentially simultaneous" -- Lee
    2. Re:I worked with Bob for a number of years by CactusCritter · · Score: 1

      No. I was the tester in a team for TEX, a powerful scripting language marketed by Honeywell Information Systems from about 1978 through 1986. Bob was the marketeer and undoubtedly contributed to the design.

  63. I predicted Y2K in '70. Nobody heard me either. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Predicted it back in '71? That seems like something a smart person would do, shame the rest of us didn't follow up on it before 30 years later.

    I was already predicting it no later than '70. Didn't have the cute three-symbol acronym - I was calling it "The Great Bimillenial Computer Date Disaster."

    (I was resuscitating a batch processing system in '70 that wouldn't start - turned out to be a 'sanity check' on the date entry. But if I recall correctly I'd been predicting it even before then.)

    Nobody listened to ME, either.

    (In fact, in the early '80s, while I was consulting, I tried to convince the customer to let me specify date entry in a way that wouldn't blow up in 2000, and was directly ordered not to spend time doing so - because the design life of the system was only 15 years. B-(

    I guess I can feel a bit better if Bemer couldn't get the message across either. (Sigh.)

    --
    Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
  64. You're Right. by Shturmovik · · Score: 1

    And I'm still trying to find the REAL reason several corp. systems I know of failed at rollover. I'm thinking sunspots, but I'm open to the possibility it was swamp gas.

  65. Well that's depressing... by Thaidog · · Score: 4, Funny

    I mean, if he can't escape death who can?

    --

    ||| I still can't believe Parkay's not butter.

  66. Why the IBM section by wasudeo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Bob Bemer was a major contributor to the computer industry as a whole and not merely a single corporate. So wouldn't it have been more appropriate and respectful to place the article in Hardware or News rather than relegating it to the IBM section...? Besides the man did work in other companies like RAND Corp. and Honeywell.

    Just a passing thought...

    1. Re:Why the IBM section by eyenot · · Score: 1

      but that would disarm the savviness of discussion the guy. see, by making it a big deal, you kind of 'open-source' the savvy nature of talking about ASCII and near-ancient IBM history and other such topics. so, it's put in IBM to actually add information, not take it away. the discussion is still important the the same people it should be important to, and not important to the people it should not.

      --
      "Stratigraphically the origin of agriculture and thermonuclear destruction will appear essentially simultaneous" -- Lee
  67. Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    Wasn't MS Bob named after this guy?

  68. all this computer hacking is making me thirsty... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...i think i'll order a tab.

  69. ASCII art tribute by ChronoWiz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Bob Bemer ASCII Art Tribute

    Hats off to a truly great man.

  70. Re:Goodbye Bob, COBOL by Ilgaz · · Score: 0, Troll

    oh, now COBOL spellchecking...

    His point is clear. He says RIP in COBOL way...

    Geez...

  71. Wrong age? (84) by Down8 · · Score: 1

    El Reg says he was 84 (having been born in 1920). Six years is a significant difference, even when you're closer to 100 than 50.

    -bZj

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    .sig
  72. 5 INSIGHTFUL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not.

  73. Re:The Y2K Bug? by awol · · Score: 1

    One intriguing question that occured to me at the time was whether the cost of fixing the problem was worth the damage. I mean Y2k manifested itself in one of two ways...

    (1) You get a bill from your phone company for $999,999,999,999.99 for the last quarter; or

    (2) If you were cooking a chicken in you microwave at midnight on the 31st of December it would cook for 1 million years.

    In either case you are going to notice. I wonder the extent to which all the billing systems that were fixed could not also have been fixed by saying "pay the same amount as last time" and just wear the cost. Probably cheaper than fixing the system and the system would be fine from them on since the year would now be 00. As people so rightly point out billions of dollars were spent fiing the systems, could the same amount of damage ever have been caused?

    Just a thought.

    --
    "The first thing to do when you find yourself in a hole is stop digging."
  74. My prediction by Jimpqfly · · Score: 1

    ''Don't drop the first two digits. The program may well fail from ambiguity in the Year 10000.'' (I'm a Guru)

    1. Re:My prediction by lindlec · · Score: 1

      Erm, surely you mean "don't drop the last THREE digits"?

  75. How Bob would have put it... by gd23ka · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you really wanted to honor the man then this is how he would have written it:

    X'52', X'49', X'50'

  76. hey now ... by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

    >Here is a guy who imagined amazing things and
    >contributed to the start of the computer
    >revolution, and yet.. What does slashdot users
    >do?
    >ATTEMPT to think up witty and STUPID remarks to
    >get themselves a nice "5 FUNNY" remark in their
    >posts.
    >Get a grip. Here is a great icon that has passed
    >on. Why don't you take a moment to admire what he
    >has done instead of being a total fuck?

    Almost with you there, but then again, this is
    a site more or less devoted to snarkiness (the
    tech stuff is just a backdrop). Maybe
    announcements like this shouldn't be posted
    here, if snarky comments are going to offend?

    I agree that some are pretty tasteless and I
    wouldn't have written them myself. But then
    again, I don't come here to read what I would
    write; I could use a text editor for that.

    Anyway, most good men would probably smile
    to know that their life's interests were so
    significant that a little gentle humor could be
    had, using their work as common knowledge.

  77. *BAD* Slashdotters by the+grace+of+R'hllor · · Score: 1

    Given the characters and keys the dude introduced, I'd have imagined you'd come up with:
    "Has he been backslashed?"
    Or even "escaped".

    My faith in you all, not exactly at a stellar level already, just dropped another few points, and is now halfway through to the Earth's core.

  78. In a related story by Pedrito · · Score: 3, Funny

    One of the most reviled men in computers, the creator of the EBCDIC characterset continues living.

    1. Re:In a related story by CactusCritter · · Score: 1

      The way I understood the situation, IBM was throwing its weight, in the ANSI subcommittee, to have EBCDIC rather than ASCII become the standard. Bob and another brilliant chap, the late Eric Clamons, were able to carry the day using the logic and utility built in to ASCII as convincing arguments. I feel fortunate to have known and worked with both of them.

  79. EBCDIC by turgid · · Score: 1

    What's that in EBCDIC? Thanks to this man, we no longer have to suffer under its baroque insanity!

    1. Re:EBCDIC by sydb · · Score: 1

      I'm afraid we still do. EBCDIC is alive and well in mainframe shops like mine.

      --
      Yours Sincerely, Michael.
  80. Some prediction by Transcendent · · Score: 1

    More interesting is that he predicted the Y2K bug all the way back in 1971!

    Well if you were a programmer who understood how the date structure worked... you too would know about the Y2K bug.

    Even when they decided on the "standard" they knew that it would have problems come the turn of the century, but they just thought that a new standard would be made by then and they wouldn't have to worry.

    Guess what... It's 2004 and I know of a new Y2K+30something bug! (forget the exact year... 2036?)

  81. Y2100 bug by gr8_phk · · Score: 1

    I predicted this back in 2000, but this would be the first time I do so in public. After all the fuss, lots of things still only accomodate 2 digits...

  82. First, a moment of *nt*. . . by eyenot · · Score: 1

    vidi, vidi interesting!

    See why escape was so key in X3.64? Escape was his pet monkey! Do you know what i say.

    ^\ = escape (carat symbol is often used from ascii to represent the escape key value) backslash, in ANSI x3.64 = string terminator.

    Something else interesting? Instead of saying "ASCII allows the users of computers, which can only interpret numbers, to see a series of numbers as text," they said, "ASCII allows computers, which can only interpret numbers, to see text as a series of numbers." That's like saying the computer is the sentient operator isn't that funny. Haha.

    --
    "Stratigraphically the origin of agriculture and thermonuclear destruction will appear essentially simultaneous" -- Lee
  83. Re:Here's some ASCII for ya, Bob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Troll or flamebait, maybe, but definitely ON-topic.

  84. he predicted the Y2K bug by kalislashdot · · Score: 1

    "More interesting is that he predicted the Y2K bug all the way back in 1971"

    B.S. .. All banks knew about the bug then too because when they calculated 30 year mortgages they did not calculate correctly.

  85. stupid question: by tie_guy_matt · · Score: 1

    Why is ASCII so much better than EBDIC? And it was my understanding that big blue took a while to switch to ASCII. Is this true even though someone at IBM helped to invent ASCII?

    1. Re:stupid question: by Rick+Genter · · Score: 1

      ASCII is superior to EBCDIC because the English alphabet is contiguous in ASCII, where it is not in EBCDIC. EBCDIC evolved from punch card encoding, and while I don't remember the details, as I recall in EBCDIC the letters were in groups of 9 or 10 (I think A-I were 0xC1 through 0xC9, J-R were 0xD1 through 0xD9, and S-Z were 0xE1 through 0xE8 - or something like that ;-).

      --
      Don't underestimate the power of The Source
  86. Riddle for ya! by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 2, Funny

    "O.K. We're going to use 2 digits to store the date, because the first 2 digits are always going to be 19"

    "But, that will break in 2000!"

    Correct response is:

    a) "Oh my god!!! You're a genius! I never would have thought of that if I didn't have you here to think of these things!"

    b) "Yeah, I know, but who gives a shit? No one's going to be using this software in 29 years anyway."

    --
    -1 Uncomfortable Truth
  87. Ahh, good old ASCII... by Dan+East · · Score: 1

    It turned 48 and 65 into very special numbers for so many of us.

    Dan East

    --
    Better known as 318230.
    1. Re:Ahh, good old ASCII... by Curate · · Score: 1

      Don't forget 97. Why shout all the time?

  88. What about the Y10K bug by mohrt · · Score: 1

    So I'll just make myself a pioneer right now, what about the Y10K bug? Hey, I predicted it 7996 years before its coming! ;)

  89. Not a bug! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    :: he predicted the Y2K bug ::

    It wasn't a bug! The people who had to code that way probably raised the issue before he did.

  90. Just like Nostradamus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    More interesting is that he predicted the Y2K bug all the way back in 1971!

    Didn't RTFA, but I'll bet his prediction as to WHEN this bug would occur was vague and off by several years.

  91. I actually knew him slightly by bdsesq · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Back in the early 80's we both worked for Honeywell. Bob was working on a full screen editor that ran on Honewyell mainframes using TTY based terminals. It was a neat hack.

    He was a true geek. He was very focused on whatever he was working on. So non-geeks thought he was difficult.

    He was living near Phoenix then and his license plate was ESCAPE. I wondered what the police thougt about that. Perhaps thats why he changed it to ASCII.

    R. I. P.

    (this all happened over 20 years ago so I may have some details wrong)

  92. Re:Y2K Prediction by WuphonsReach · · Score: 1

    Prior to the late 1990's, it was common practice to write the year as just two digits. And no, I'm not talking about in computer programs. I mean in documents and handwriting. You could write a check and give it a date like 1/2/85 and that would be accepted. Everyone did this. If you are writing a log of an activity, you used a two digit date. If you are keeping a ledger, you used a two digit date.

    I suspect, once we get into the 2010s and 2020s, that the practice of only using 2-digit years as a shortcut will come back into vogue. During the "zeros" (or "oughts"), it doesn't scan very well.

    The paradigm of storing data on punch cards is largely responsible for why dates were stored as individual columns. (Punch cards don't do binary-encoded numbers... you're lucky if you could do packed decimal.) And when storing data on punch cards, once you overflow that 80 column limit for your data set, you've just doubled the number of cards that you have to keep track of. So saving 2-digits here or there makes a whole lot of sense.

    Things got better when storage moved to tape, but the punch card thinking still permeated (putting data into column 81 required an additional 80 columns of storage for the 2nd "record").

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    Wolde you bothe eate your cake, and have your cake?
  93. y2038 by MsGeek · · Score: 1

    Which is apparently still a problem under Linux. I ran the script from the page and it rolled over from 2038 to 1901. This is on a Linux 2.4.x kernel, however...I don't know what would happen if it was run under a 2.6.x kernel.

    --
    Knowledge is power. Knowledge shared is power multiplied.
    1. Re:y2038 by wirelessbuzzers · · Score: 1

      You mean to 1970?

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      I hereby place the above post in the public domain.
    2. Re:y2038 by MsGeek · · Score: 1

      No, the date showed as being 1901. Seriously.
      Tue Jan 19 03:14:01 2038
      Tue Jan 19 03:14:02 2038
      Tue Jan 19 03:14:03 2038
      Tue Jan 19 03:14:04 2038
      Tue Jan 19 03:14:05 2038
      Tue Jan 19 03:14:06 2038
      Tue Jan 19 03:14:07 2038
      Fri Dec 13 20:45:52 1901
      Fri Dec 13 20:45:52 1901
      Fri Dec 13 20:45:52 1901

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      Knowledge is power. Knowledge shared is power multiplied.
  94. Re:I predicted Y2K in '70. Nobody heard me either. by The+Kiloman · · Score: 2, Funny

    Ungrounded Lightning later finished his story:

    "Now where was I. oh yeah!
    The important thing was that I had an onion tied to my belt, which was the style at the time..."

    --
    You may disagree, but to be blunt, you're wrong. -tgd
  95. You should blame by vijaya_chandra · · Score: 1

    the Y2K bug in the writer's brain that has surfaced 4 years late

    1. Re:You should blame by vijaya_chandra · · Score: 1

      Damn me
      I should try to read all the msgs before posting something
      Excuse me for the redundant parent

      LessonOfTheDay : Don't be like the mods and read all the articles/messages first

  96. Re:Y2K Prediction by BK425 · · Score: 1

    The problem was also management. It's the ties team that buys hardware, they knew this was common practice to better utilize scarce resources and when those resources became less scarce... waited until the last minute and then complained or jumped on the sensationalism bandwagon at the cost of reworking the code. But of course that was back in the heydays of the 80's and 90's when software was a bright spot on the economic landscape. Now that we're really cutting costs... I'm sure software sector management is focused on the long term.

  97. Re:Y32k bug / Y64K Bug by Mastadex · · Score: 1

    I predict that in the year 32,767, all software will crash that use a short int to store its date field. Similarly, in the year 65,535, all the software that use unsigned int to store the date field will crash. I believe its time to evolve from our primitive data types! what are we? animals?

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    A morning without coffee is like something without something else.
  98. The Story of Mel by Atario · · Score: 1

    Dammit. Preview Button, Preview Button, Preview Button.

    The Story of Mel was supposed to be linked.

    We sincerely apoligize and those responsible for the error have been sacked.

    --
    "A great democracy must be progressive or it will soon cease to be a great democracy." --Theodore Roosevelt
  99. How the media covered Bob Bemer's death by kbahey · · Score: 1

    Mod my down if you want to do so, because I am about to complain about submission rejection, but for all I care, the editors are not looking carefully at submissions.

    I submitted this at lunch time yesterday (that is about 24 hours ago!), as "Bob Bemer, inventor of ASCII, dead at 84", and included a link to Bob Bemer's web page, and some of the things he said helped create, like:

    • helped create COBOL
    • coined the words COBOL and CODASYL
    • invented the ESCape sequence
    • created the PICTURE clause
    • helped create and standardize the ASCII character set
    • put the backslash into the ASCII set
    • helped create the 8-bit per byte standard

    The interesting part in my submission wa how some media covered it. A radio station here (Toronto) said: like "made computers understand letters in addition to numbers" (reference to ASCII) and that he invented "the escape key".

    Some of the miswording for the non-tech media can be found in Washington Post article that says: "who helped invent the language used by most of the world's computers to translate text to numbers", and "He helped create the standard measurement of eight bits per byte" and "... escape sequence, which allows a computer to break from one language and enter another".

    The Register covers his death with an ASCI Art figure. How appropriate.

  100. Allow me to add... by Atario · · Score: 1

    ...that the "10000" in this context shall be pronounced as "one hundred hundred", not "the year ten thousand".

    Signed,

    Atario
    Friday, June Twenty-Fifth, Twenty Oh Four

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    "A great democracy must be progressive or it will soon cease to be a great democracy." --Theodore Roosevelt
  101. "Forward slash" by Atario · · Score: 1

    I cannot tell you how irritating it is to talk tech with anyone who uses "backward slash" (it's "backslash"!) and (more irritatingly) "forward slash" (IT'S JUST PLAIN "SLASH", DAMMIT!). Generally these people insist on saying the whole thing every time, and won't accept input from you, either, unless you adopt their brain damage for the duration of the conversation. Feh.

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    "A great democracy must be progressive or it will soon cease to be a great democracy." --Theodore Roosevelt
  102. Ironically... by Atario · · Score: 1

    ...not a single backslash in there.

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  103. Obitter Fate by JThaddeus · · Score: 1

    Bob Bemer: Fatal system error. Cannot reboot.

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    "Love is a familiar; Love is a devil: there is no evil angel but Love." --William Shakespeare ('Love's Labors Lost')
  104. "Passed away" sounds so common. by JThaddeus · · Score: 1

    How about "translated to a different file format"?

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    "Love is a familiar; Love is a devil: there is no evil angel but Love." --William Shakespeare ('Love's Labors Lost')
  105. that wasn't due to Y2K bugs by nutznboltz · · Score: 1
    1. Re:that wasn't due to Y2K bugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice link. would have modded you up, but I was the parent poster and it wouldn't let me mod this.

  106. ASCII Art by nlindstrom · · Score: 1

    Quick! Someone post an ASCII art picture of Bob!

  107. Has Netcraft confirmed this? by silicon+not+in+the+v · · Score: 1

    sorry...so sorry.

    C'mon, how can we possibly have a story about someone dying without the Netcraft angle?

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    We may experience some slight turbulence and then...explode. -Capt. Mal Reynolds
    1. Re:Has Netcraft confirmed this? by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      no, however they confirm that Microsoft Bob is truly dead.

  108. Re:Y2K Prediction by DunbarTheInept · · Score: 1


    The paradigm of storing data on punch cards is largely responsible for why dates were stored as individual columns.

    I have a hard time believing that because I doubt the majority of the software that had to be fixed for the year 2000 was actually using punchcards. For example, I doubt that an IBM PC uses punchcards in it's Bios clock. Also, I worked on a system that had inherited the "punchcard" thinking and transferred records as fixed-column text files, and referred to each line of the file as a "card" even though it was stored electronically. And even that system didn't use 80 character limits anymore. The things they called "cards" were hundreds of characters "wide". They certainly didn't think of them in terms of 80 character chunks anymore. And I have a hard time believing many other places still did either. I have no doubt that *some* systems somewhere had still been doing it that way, but certainly not the majority of the ones that needed fixing.

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    Don't label something "offtopic" unless you know the topic well enough to tell what's on topic.

  109. What Y2K bug? by lexus99 · · Score: 1

    There was a Y2K bug? Jeeze, I musta missed it! LeX

  110. Y2K Bug by jnburkey · · Score: 1

    There was no Y2K bug. Those of us that used only the last two digits of the year to reduce memory and disk consumption, knew that they would not funtion properly past 1999. We never expected that they would remain in use that long. Everyone programming in 1971 knew the limitations of that technique. John