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yeah so dominate I get 3 customers in my no-Apple-product store walking out to go up to Best Buy for an iPad to every one who comes in for a 99 dollar Asus tablet.

http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS24253413 as you can see your figures are different from those in the real world where apples sales are down YonY 15% when the Market grew 60%. Samsung actually sold 4X the tablets of Asus (Samsung growing 280% and Asus growing 120%).

Again iPads Sales Down; Market Share Down in a growing market. I assume you stack shelves.

Fact is: iPhone sales are growing. iPhone share of the phone market is growing. Mac share of the computer market is growing.

If you write *FACT* at the front you back it up with figures. iPhone share at the market is the lowest in years http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS24257413 Last three quarters 21%,17%,13%. The mac sales are down -22% -2% -7% YonY over the last 3 quarters. Figures from Apples own published results http://investor.apple.com/results.cfm

I think the word you were looking for is Fiction http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiction

What the fuck are you reading?

Yeah, if you count 'other' at 40% of the market. And all Android.

I assume you are referring to Apples feeble Tablet Market share http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS24253413 read the whole page; the first table they split by company...the second by OS.

That seems high. I think Apple has only sold about 500 million iOS devices, so it's failing miserably.

These are the figures for IDC for Tablets http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS24253413 dropiing to 30% vs Android 63% and Smartphones http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS24253413 which drops to 13% vs Androids 80% I'd say failing, maybe 10th September things will get interesting again.

That seems high. I think Apple has only sold about 500 million iOS devices, so it's failing miserably.

These are the figures for IDC for Tablets http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS24253413 dropiing to 30% vs Android 63% and Smartphones http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS24253413 which drops to 13% vs Androids 80% I'd say failing, maybe 10th September things will get interesting again.

I know.

That is not what you said so you don't tell me about monopoly.

But you seem to have a problem with some basics. Highest market share doesn't mean you are a monopoly, but if you are a monopoly you have the highest market share. A monopoly is something that has (close to) 100% market share.

You haven't even cited the other parts of the legal test so I don't you know as much as I do about it. Hint: I said three part test. You can look it up.

Sigh. You've been reading comments again and not understanding them. How can you have any idea what numbers I am quoting when I was not quoting the source. For your information, the numbers quoted were the number of devices activated on telecom networks as reported by IDC. None of the numbers were from Microsoft or Apple. So, you are being ignorant and dumb again.

So you start pulling out numbers and expect me to read your mind and start levying insults when you are not remotely clear on what you are talking about. 16% vs 4%. And then you extrapolated to 10%. You know the problem with extrapolation right?

Unlike you, I actually research things on the Internet and can read them. The latest IDC report says nothing about activations. The report clearly says: "According to the International Data Corporation (IDC) Worldwide Quarterly Mobile Phone Tracker, vendors shipped a total of 236.4 million smartphones in 2Q13, up 51.3% from the 156.2 million units shipped in 2Q12." Nothing about activation. So you are now just making things up or flat out lying.

You are almost correct. The market share of WinPhone devices is only at about 25% of the market share of iPhones.

For last quarter. Not for all of time. IDC cannot account for how many phones have been stolen, lost, damaged, sold, whatever. IDC only tracks new phones. MS has not released the actual number but based on Nokia's estimates, 7.4 million were sold which is about 85% of WP. That means that 8.7 million sold. 8.7 out of 236.4 is pathetically small. When you factor in the number of existing smart phones that, it is even smaller. Either way, WP7/8 is pathetically small compared to iPhone.

Now, if you think the WinPhone marketshare is miniscule compared to the iPhone, what about the iPhone as such? It has less than 20% of the market share of Android.

For a quarter. For the quarter where Apple is slowing shipments of current version in anticipation of next generation. But back to my original point, between Android and iOS, Google has 90+ % of the smart phone market served up with an app. Sorry Blackberry. Sorry Symbian. Sorry MS. Your market share isn't worth their time.

Also, WinPhone is growing at a very healty pace (activations, not shipments) while the iPhone has been in steady decline for years (so it has nothing to do with the expected iPhone 5).

When you start out at basically 0% and 0 phones, any increase is a large percentage gain. In terms of overall numbers since 2010, WP7/8 has a really small amount of users. Saying they grow every quarter is laughable. Anecdotally, I only know of 1 person who wasn't a MS employee who had a WP phone. She traded it in because she couldn't get any apps she wanted for it. As for future decline maybe they won't sell 30M a quarter any more. But they still make more than 50% of the profit. But this doesn't have to do how with WP7/8 isn't worth Google's time right now. If they actually get any decent market share maybe Google will help them out. Until then, acting like a child won't get any special treatment.

What?! Samsung are the only ones growing - they've just had a great quarter, again. LG is a distant 3rd place with 5% of the smartphone market.

Sent from my iPhone.

http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS24257413 These are the latest figures from IDC they actually break out Android shipments. They show Samsung growing less than the overall market from 44.4% to 39.1% (the iPhone dropped from 16.6% to 13.2%). Its not a two horse race however the market leaders want to paint it, and as time goes on even less of one.

Android sales are high because everyone starts with the 80 dollar Android tablet and discovers it's junk before they upgrade to something better.

http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS24253413 Sorry those are the latest figures. That is Apple having a sales drop of 14% Year On Year while Samsung rise of 277%, In a market that raised 60% YonY.

The bottom line is Apple need to start competing on more than brand.

You do realize Windows Phone market share is growing faster than any other currently?

Why, yes, they could double their market share by selling a relatively small amount of units, but that doesn't mean that there is really a significant amount of them in use.

According to this:

Over the past 12 months, Windows Phone went from 3.1% market share to 3.7%. This means that while shipments of Windows Phone devices are growing, they're barely growing any faster than the industry as a whole.

Ooooh, Microsoft has gained 0.6% of the market over the last 12 months. I'm impressed, and I can only imagine the competitors are all running scared.

And in case you'd like to claim that's not what it says, let's go straight to IDC here, it's the first table on the page. They may have shipped 8.9M units this year vs 4.7M units last year, but how many of them have actually sold?

Jesus fanboys are terrible.

Yes, especially when they cling to a lame statistic which doesn't say what they think it says. Next you'll try to tell me the Zune was a raging success.

It's true that, as a percentage increase from what they had last year, Microsoft phones are 'growing faster' relative to itself (NOT faster relative to the overall market), but in terms of overall magnitude in the market, it's still a dud. Compared to what it did last year, it make huge gains ... compared to what everybody else did last year, Windows phone is a drop in the bucket.

That doesn't equate to "Windows Phone market share is growing faster than any other" -- not by a bloody longshot.

But, hey, you keep consoling yourself that it's the fanboys of competing technologies who are spreading lies and propaganda that Windows Phone is a joke and a failure. You console yourself that, if they'd only listen to the statistics which demonstrate it's a superior phone, we could all get along.

And I'll keep assuming you're a drooling idiot who doesn't know how to read the statistics. All that stat says is how fast Microsoft's share increased over the last year compared to where Microsoft's share was last year.

But growing from 3.1% of a market to 3.7% of a market isn't the success story you seem to think it is.

This is the third story in a week, of Apple being an abusive employer, whether you are a top engineer, overworked factory worker, or minimum wage shop assistant. colour me surprised that the Apple treat profits over people.

The bottom line is Apples profits are down! again, its margins are shrinking, its sales are plummeting, its market share is down, its technical edge none existent are they really not seeing that moving manufacturing abroad, becoming a purely (arrogant with out substance) design(sic) company, paying literally zero tax.

Ironically I noticed in Harris Poll EquiTrend has Apple as coming out top for Brand of the Year distinctions in three categories - Computer, Tablet and Mobile Phone. All I could think is how irreparably damaged Apples old Techno Hippy Brand has been, and how actual Apples sales numbers reflect that.

This is Apples sales numbers http://images.apple.com/pr/pdf/q3fy13datasum.pdf and hoe they comparing at IDC (its only smartophones but Apple is becoming a one product company..the iphone) http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS24239313/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS24239313 The numbers speak for themselves.

Apple is not newsworthy

...ok not America :)...but that is the point. Apples market share is the lowest in years sitting at 13% http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS24239313 To focus on a market(admittedly a massive market) they always did bad is ridiculous. Russia's three major mobile phone operators have halted iPhone sales recently.

The latests shipments show Apple barely growing, Samsung nicely growing

Not sure where you are getting your figures but neither of these are true IDC http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS24239313 show Samsung market share flat for about forever at around 30% with a slight dip this quarter...and Apples market share plummeting to an all time low of 13% even with its better than expected iPhone sales.

I'm not sure I agree http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS24093213 Samsung is the most popular tablet maker after Apple with about 15% of the market...and rising(flat this quarter). Whether it deserves it is another matter.

http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23946013 by IDC's last figures 32.5Million shiments. Blackberry is suffering right now, but they are sill selling lots of phones. The trend is the real problem...its down.

Just a minute, I'll check for that on my iPhone.

A minute to check a fact...you need a quad core...and a larger screen...maybe on the next refresh.

They are not using iPhones http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23946013 IDC's latest figures show Apple market share at 20% with Android at 70%. Apples highlight of its quarterly reporting was its iPhone sales were down from last quarter...but still better than expected (its other products a disaster) showing its incredible resilience in America...and its strategy of providing the 4S at a lower price(everywhere else was a disaster...China particularly bad).

Tablets? Not at all. Getting crushed.

They might be in the US but in 2013Q1 Android was on 56% of global tablet sales

As for the gravy train being over, by what metric? Their sales certainly aren't growing at the rate that Android's are, but by any measure, they are still massively successful. Their rate of sale has continued to grow incredibly fast, and their profits in PCs and mobile devices represent either a plurality or majority in each of those markets.

They bought back shares to stop the bleed in share price, and the negativity around it, and it has stabilised at around $450 from its high of $705. Its a poor move that slowed the drop in price of the shares, but not the cause of the drop; The end of the gravy train being over.

I am not sure why the post was modded informative. Here are the IDC numbers http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS24085413. There rate of sales growth was single digit for Apple at 6.6% behind the market...at 41.6%...and samsung at 60.7%...and LG at 110.2%..and Huawei at 94%...and ZTE at 49.2%...even Others gets 37%...so you must be using some other measure of incredibly fast.

Nothing is mentioned about their PC's which are basically treated like cancer by Apple, but have incredible drops of 22%..and (the more manageable) 2% over the last 2 quarters, despite Windows 8 being hated universally. I cant help but notice Microsoft and Intel do not appear on the Pie chart...who are destroying the PC industry with their massive 70% margins.Its why Manufacturing companies are running to Android.

...the bottom line though in reference to Apples ONE saving grace...its profits...they dropped http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22274324, posting an opinion piece that pretends the reverse does not change that.

That's only half the story. When Android first came out on phones, they rapidly overtook Apple because there were a bunch of new players jumping into the game. Now that the market has stabilized, the pendulum is swinging back the other way.

...the other half of the story I'm afraid to tell you is a whole lot worse here are the latest figures for Apple smartphones http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS24085413 The short version is Apple dropped in one quarter from 23% to 17.3%. Year on Year it had single digit growth of 6.6% in a market that grew 41%. What your saying in not only off-topic but not true.

You have to question the wisdom of chasing the iPad which has dropped to 40% http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS24093213 [idc.com] of the tablet market for 3 quarters (even after launching a smaller tablet) having been overtaken by Android, and growing less than half the overall market (Android is almost doubling growth).

That's only half the story. When Android first came out on phones, they rapidly overtook Apple because there were a bunch of new players jumping into the game. Now that the market has stabilized, the pendulum is swinging back the other way. In the United States, iPhone sales are actually growing again, and now exceed Android phone sales. Worldwide, the numbers are also trending back in that direction. Chances are, the relative mix of sales will oscillate back and forth for a while before hitting some magic point of equilibrium in which a certain percentage of devices are iOS and a certain percentage are Android, and that won't change much until there is some major disruptive innovation. That's generally the way mature markets work.

Similarly, right now, Android is growing much faster in tablets because it's really easy to grow from zero to nonzero. Once that market ceases to gain new players (and eventually, it will pretty much stabilize), there's no reason to believe that we won't see the same pattern emerging.

You can tell Microsoft and Apple want the safe Duopoly back;

You're half right. Microsoft wants their duopoly back. Right now, it's pretty much an Android/Apple duopoly, and Microsoft is just warming up the bench. As far as I can tell, Apple doesn't really care who their competitor is, so long as they have one. Competition drives Apple to provide a better platform, and in the end, that's good for pretty much everyone, whether you're an Apple user or an Android user.

Androids monster growth is not going to stop anytime soon, the iPad is a dying platform.

If you honestly think that iPad is a dying platform, I have a bridge to sell you. Dying platforms don't tell 70+ WWDC tickets per second at $1,599 a pop.

You have to question the wisdom of chasing the iPad which has dropped to 40% http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS24093213 of the tablet market for 3 quarters (even after launching a smaller tablet) having been overtaken by Android, and growing less than half the overall market (Android is almost doubling growth).

As for competing with Apple because of an Office product even if it were true http://www.androidauthority.com/libreoffice-android-release-171002/ Libreoffice is getting frustrating close to release.

You can tell Microsoft and Apple want the safe Duopoly back; Androids monster growth is not going to stop anytime soon, the iPad is a dying platform.

The Desktop market is shrinking in favor of tablets and smartphones. Two areas where apple has strong products (One could argue they created those markets).

...and then gave those markets away to Android...to remain vastly profitable in those...are we seeing a patten.

These are the latest numbers from IDC - Smartphones http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS24085413 tablets - http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS24093213 spin the numbers however you want we both know where the argument goes

The only sad thing about your comment is Apple could reinvigorate the Desktop market...but they are just going to as Dellboy would say Give the money back to the shareholders.

The Desktop market is shrinking in favor of tablets and smartphones. Two areas where apple has strong products (One could argue they created those markets).

...and then gave those markets away to Android...to remain vastly profitable in those...are we seeing a patten.

These are the latest numbers from IDC - Smartphones http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS24085413 tablets - http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS24093213 spin the numbers however you want we both know where the argument goes

The only sad thing about your comment is Apple could reinvigorate the Desktop market...but they are just going to as Dellboy would say Give the money back to the shareholders.

> Where does that leave nVidia?
Very safe. Read the IDC report:
"Fading Mini Notebook shipments have taken a big chunk out of the low-end market"
http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS24065413#.UWjGnFK29K3
This is the exact segment that NVidia doesn't have their product in.
Tablets are good if you want to play Angry Birds, but if you want to play Crysis 3 your going to have to get a PC.

No, that's just incorrect - here are the actual reports.

The IDC report says Mac sales were down 7.5%:

http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS24065413#.UWZPFVfJLz9

There is a different report, by Gartner, that says U.S. Mac sales were up 7.4%, but a) that's not the IDC report and b) it's not worldwide data, it's for the U.S. market only:

http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2420816

Well, the last two quarters they were outselling all other smartphones on every U.S. carrier that carried them.

Even if this were true, what an incredibly misleading statement. Android has 75% of the smartphone market outright, and rising FAST. I have no idea if Apple somehow outsells every other *individual* model of cellphone (or however else your statement might be twisted to be "true"), but the raw numbers most definitely support the rhetorical asking/observation "where's Apple in all this".

And all those cores are of little use without software to use them. iOS still has a huge quality and power lead in apps.

I'd ask for substantiation, but this quote is too subjective to warrant it.

Actually iOS seems to be the system of choice

http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23946013 these are the latest figures from IDC as you can see Android occupies 70% while iOS occupies 20%. However you try to spin in Android is *THE* smartphone OS of choice, and however you spin it Android binaries will work on more phones that iOS binaries. This is true even if you don't care what OS you run on your phone :), perhaps the phones were simply better designed than Apples, perhaps if Apple spent more money on designing its phones, people wouldn't be buying then 350% more Android Phones.

On topic my point was about compatibility...and increasingly Android compatibility is a must, iOS is simply a niche OS without it.

http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23946013#.UR7MG5G3PGg

You figures are not even close to being right. The link is the same as the other one I provided only its direct from IDC, but it includes a nice graph showing the various OS and how big their market share. Apple is a little confusing as its market share is feast/fast as their product launches have a huge effect on their sales. Next quarter Apple are not going to sell anything close to 48Million Phones, and their market share in that quarter will dive. Averaging out the peaks and troughs. Its not gaining market share because it is growing *the same* as the market.

The figures your looking for is the market grew 46% in 2012. Apples market share was 18.8% in 2011...and is still 18.8% in 2012 because it sold only 46% more phones...the same as what the market grew.

Its easier to see what is happing when averaging over a year. The reality is the big launch was the turning point, and everyone knew it. Its why its market share have dropped 35% since then. :)

[cough]iPhone snags its highest U.S. market share ever[/cough]

https://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23916413#.UQte-5G3PGg *Worldwide* Q4 post earning release from a real market analyst. However you spin it Apples share of the pie is shrinking. In Larger markets than the US like China Apple have no market share...and don't have a competitive product in that market. You should reread my post, its pretty good.

They are simply IDC's latest figures

If they were you'd have a link.

Doing a simple google search for iOS IDC marketshare shows a much higher overall percentage for iOS.

https://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23771812#.UN4DmtE49yA seriously is google that hard :)

Android market-share 75% iOS 14.9%

http://www.informationweek.com/byte/personal-tech/smart-phones/android-clear-leader-in-smartphone-race/240143823

http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23818212#.UL6UqoPAcrV

Fasle dichotomy.

I'm not confident in what you are referring to. You seem a little confused. https://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23772412 I am comparing like with like from your example"current version android tables of the current version to iPads", What may be wrong is comparing a 7" tablet with a 10" tablet or not including 5" and above phones as tablets, but nobody every argues those points, because Apple would look even worse.

Your figures need citations... looks like you're talking about the US only, where, indeed, Apple is in third place. Despite this, in 2012 alone, Apple has had more growth in mobile marketshare than any other single company, and their marketshare will continue to grow. But you go ahead and believe what you want in your twisted fantasy world, because outside of that, your worst nightmares are coming true.

I am using IDC's latest figures.

https://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23771812 for mobile

https://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23772412 for tablets

To put Apples market decile of 23.1% to 14.9% in some sort of perspective Android grew its market share from 52.8% to 75%.

Clearly I had no trouble backing up my figures. Perhaps you should have used an Android device to check your facts. Then you wouldn't look so foolish.

Sasy the right guy - not only have you not provided a source for your 23.1% number, you also showed that in the quarter people waited for the iPhone 5 to come out, Apple has grown its market share by over a percentage point.

As for tablets, that number by IDC is always quite suspect (Samsung outselling the Nexus tablets and Kindles combined?)- but even then, in the quarter of iPad killers (finally) and before the iPad Mini, Apple still dominates the market.

Your figures need citations... looks like you're talking about the US only, where, indeed, Apple is in third place. Despite this, in 2012 alone, Apple has had more growth in mobile marketshare than any other single company, and their marketshare will continue to grow. But you go ahead and believe what you want in your twisted fantasy world, because outside of that, your worst nightmares are coming true.

I am using IDC's latest figures.

https://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23771812 for mobile

https://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23772412 for tablets

To put Apples market decile of 23.1% to 14.9% in some sort of perspective Android grew its market share from 52.8% to 75%.

Clearly I had no trouble backing up my figures. Perhaps you should have used an Android device to check your facts. Then you wouldn't look so foolish.

Sasy the right guy - not only have you not provided a source for your 23.1% number, you also showed that in the quarter people waited for the iPhone 5 to come out, Apple has grown its market share by over a percentage point.

As for tablets, that number by IDC is always quite suspect (Samsung outselling the Nexus tablets and Kindles combined?)- but even then, in the quarter of iPad killers (finally) and before the iPad Mini, Apple still dominates the market.

Your figures need citations... looks like you're talking about the US only, where, indeed, Apple is in third place. Despite this, in 2012 alone, Apple has had more growth in mobile marketshare than any other single company, and their marketshare will continue to grow. But you go ahead and believe what you want in your twisted fantasy world, because outside of that, your worst nightmares are coming true.

I am using IDC's latest figures.

https://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23771812 for mobile

https://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23772412 for tablets

To put Apples market decile of 23.1% to 14.9% in some sort of perspective Android grew its market share from 52.8% to 75%.

Clearly I had no trouble backing up my figures. Perhaps you should have used an Android device to check your facts. Then you wouldn't look so foolish.

Your figures need citations... looks like you're talking about the US only, where, indeed, Apple is in third place. Despite this, in 2012 alone, Apple has had more growth in mobile marketshare than any other single company, and their marketshare will continue to grow. But you go ahead and believe what you want in your twisted fantasy world, because outside of that, your worst nightmares are coming true.

I am using IDC's latest figures.

https://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23771812 for mobile

https://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23772412 for tablets

To put Apples market decile of 23.1% to 14.9% in some sort of perspective Android grew its market share from 52.8% to 75%.

Clearly I had no trouble backing up my figures. Perhaps you should have used an Android device to check your facts. Then you wouldn't look so foolish.

Data :)
https://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23771812
https://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23772412

Those are the tables and graphs, I think they speak for themselves. I do not need to cherry pick. In fact I agree with your figures that Apple is making more sales..it is, but they are growing slower than the overall market. Those are the facts. I understand your spin "more sales"; mine is "shrinking marketshare".

The question I keep asking is Apple relevant at 14.9% will it still be relevant at 10%...what about 5%. I wonder what will happen then.

Data :)
https://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23771812
https://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23772412

Those are the tables and graphs, I think they speak for themselves. I do not need to cherry pick. In fact I agree with your figures that Apple is making more sales..it is, but they are growing slower than the overall market. Those are the facts. I understand your spin "more sales"; mine is "shrinking marketshare".

The question I keep asking is Apple relevant at 14.9% will it still be relevant at 10%...what about 5%. I wonder what will happen then.

if you include iOS as an operating system, the ratio has dropped to about 2:1.

No not even close the number of Desktop PC's in the world is about 1.6Billion http://www.c-i-a.com/pr02012012.htm to pit that figure into some kind of perspective Apple only sold 26.9Million iPhones last quarter https://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23771812. Even Android which sells 5 times as many phones as the iphone is only expected to overtake PC's in 2016.

I understand the Surface, as many manufacturers had that dream of making The Next iPad Killer(tm)

I'm not disagreeing with you. I just find the term "iPad killer"(sic) outdated https://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23772412 Apples tablet market share dropped to a new low of 50.4%.

While it may be a net loss for Nokia (they have no one but themselves to blame), it will be good for consumers. Consumers need a third ecosystem, especially since WebOS is dead and BB10 looks uncertain. From what I have read, it seems like Microsoft might try out Chinese market first before launching in USA

That is the bingo word of the month "Ecosystem"; Windows do not have an ecosystem, and customers do not need one. They need compatibility and standards so their devices work with each other, but not an ecosystem. Ecosystem is just a bullshit word introduced by Microsoft shills because of the massive failure of Microsoft mobile, and are trying to utilise their desktop monopoly where it is of no value.

Oh and FYI Windows Phone still is fifth https://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23771812 behind Symbian and RIM. With no indication that the market wants of desires a player outside iOS and Android. The sad fact is Microsoft is a failure in Chinese market, as well as everywhere else. The figures are in Nokia's quarterly reports, but an overall market share of 2% says it all.

Android activations are no longer increasing

Um ... really???

You're a brave individual to suggest that Apple's in the ascendancy (no, sorry, "hammering" Android!) right now. Android's market share of new units shipped in Q2 this year was a massive 68% vs 17% for iOS. I really wonder what you're basing this on ...

Coming back to topic, I'm really surprised Apple released an ipad mini with those specs. It justifies the existence of the 7" Android tablet market, and almost pushes people into buying a Nexus 7 or Fire HD instead -- why would anyone other than an Apple zealot choose to pay more for a tablet with a lower-resolution screen? Surely they had to at the very least have a retina display, or extra battery life, or something in there to justify the price premium. I could be wrong, but I'm not sure that people will still pay extra bucks simply for that magical "i" in the name ... it will be interesting to see.

On a more practical note, this is the first time I've seen Apple offer a product of noticably worse quality than their competitors since 2007. Apple used to do this all the time in the 1990s, and that didn't work out so well for them ...

Oh, a link to blog post by Ahonen, with nothing really new.

I agree that execution by Elop has been sub-par. But calling that "SYMBIAN WAS WINNING" is even by wearing Symbian-goggles a very red-rosed opinion of what was going on. Nokia was in huge trouble, it's UI teams competing with each other and handset teams not building on the same platform as noted in in an article from yesterday. Symbian as it was was dead. Developers hated it, users disliked it compared to competition and why it did so good up until the end was good quality Nokia hardware.

Ahonen is right on some points, but he seems to totally disagree on that Nokia had to do something, by going on with Symbian without major rework was just not feasible, the whole MeeGo thing was really screwed up with competing package managers, UIs and teamwork with Intel so as a CEO what what would have he done - he doesn't tell. Maybe MeeGo strategy would have proved to be success.

I don't want to resort to ad-hominems but in case of Ahonen I would take his comments with a grain of salt - he clearly has an axe to grind with Nokia and the postings he has made and appearances on interviews smell like bitterness. And they always boil to one point: Profits before elop and profits after Elop.

From the latest results of IDC Q2
http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23638712
Symbian 4.5% windows phone 3.5%

But I'm very skeptical of this article's honesty.

Seriously, nokia's been delivering very high quality products lately, and I still see a LOT of people using their phones (I'd say 10:1 to apple's stuff) where I live.

So I'd say this is just paid FUD. By whom. No idea, but I'd point at whoever could benefit from nokia's stock falling.

Lets not talk about FUD but little thing called facts. This is the latest from IDC

http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23638712

As you can see for each Windows Phone user there are TWENTY Android users and Five Apple users.

Yet MS wonders why they have such a comparatively tiny market share of the server market...

According to this arstechnica article (2011), Microsoft had a 25% webserver market share (IIS) as of 2010, and 15% as of 2011. For standard servers, they accounted for 71% of all quarterly server shipments (original source, IDC). According to a survey in 2010 (the only one I could find on smtp market share, and was linked in Wikipedia), Exchange is the third most popular SMTP server (17%-- behind exim @ 34% and postfix @ 21%, and just ahead of sendmail).

You can call that many things, but "comparitively tiny" it isnt. Microsoft server is remarkably popular in SMB situations, and even in larger companies, and trying to write it off as irrelevant or whatever your angle was is silly.

Also silly is the comment about "code already there"-- EVERYONE does this, from RedHat to VMWare to Adobe any other company that sells multiple tiers of its software product.

You are either severely deluded or a troll.

Apple's market share in Australia was last measured at 84%

Of course you do because it doesn't fit your conspiracy theory. When you look at the facts, non existent market-share for itanium, HP paying Intel to continue production of itanium, you understand why Oracle dropped it.

Considering that as of 2011Q1, Itanium demand was still growing and annually bringing in several billion dollars in revenue, I wouldn't use the phrase "non existent market-share" to describe it. Larry basically sabotaged HP's Itanium business out of sheer spite.

What's Apple's share again? At least 90%, you say?

No, you say. I just did a search and came up with a figure of 68%: "Apple shipped 11.8 million iPads during the quarter, down from 15.4 million units in the fourth quarter of 2011, and grew its worldwide share from 54.7% in 4Q11 to 68% in 1Q12."

Yes. I do think Apple cares that they are at 6% market share. That puts them in an extremely vulnerable position. Sure they make a ton off each sale, but they don't sell many. What it says about the PC manufacturers is that their market is more robust. Sony could stop producing PC entirely for 5 years, and on the 6th year, they could be right back in there selling PCs like nothing ever happened. If Apple quit selling PCs for 6 months, their market would be gone.

Besides, your wrong. Apple isn't even in the top 5 world wide.

Citation: http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23087711

So what it says about HP is that Apple won't ship 1/5 as many PCs as HP.

In related news, an anonymous reader notes that IDC predicts Windows 8 will be irrelevant to the traditional PC market.

Yeah but have you seen how cheap the report is from IDC? It's a mere $3,500.00 which is a steal considering I just shelled out twelve and a half large for their forecast on computing devices. My god, the forecast I bought was a piddly 27 page PDF while this Windows 8 report is a weighty tome totaling 17 pages in girth and might even result in a printed copy that that I can set on my desk and hold down with a real human skull paperweight completely encrusted with diamonds. At this price, I am buying one copy for every member of my extended family -- these things will make great stocking stuffers next to moon rocks, 1913 Liberty Nickels and the keys to each person's personalized yacht. Of course he tweeted the meat and potatoes of this report -- they're practically GIVING it away on their site already! Be sure to stock up on these before they sell out!

No doubt Apple is backing its new iCloud platform as the way for everyone to share - and damn the so-called hardware Server market. This is the only operating system not natively supported in most virtual machines. IDC doesn't even include Apple in market share reports anymore, and they've clearly de-leveraged their investment over the past few years as opposed to their commitment to growing xServe in 2002

All that aside, I had a client who insisted on moving to OSX Server in 2003 to manage his email. FIle sharing was fine, even over a massive fiber/iscsi San config. But it didn't take long for his users to force a switch to an exchange hosted environment. The features just weren't there and the support or the tech resources to make corrections were far too time-consuming.