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This isn't the first time some yokel has used planning laws and bent the ears of Irish politicians to stop a development project that would help the Irish economy. This foreign bloke killed an Irish wind farm because he didn't like the looks of it and claimed it would harm some freshwater mussel. Then this same daft American claimed that "climate change" would wash his land into the see so he tries to erect a damn sea wall. The Irish got the last laugh though. It seems that there's this tiny endangered Irish snail that doesn't like walls very much.

Something there is that doesn't love a wall...
-- Mending Wall by Robert Frost>

Much of the attention over the last month may have been around Apple's new iPhones. But Samsung recently launched a beast of a flagship smartphone that goes head to head with the best from Apple. After a couple of weeks trying it out, here's how we found the Galaxy Note 8.

As 2017 draws to a close, it's a good time to take stock of the current state of the smartphone market by examining the vital statistics of leading vendors' flagship handsets. Apple's iPhone 8, 8 Plus and X, Samsung's Galaxy S8/S8+ and Galaxy Note 8. . .

Samsung Electronics said Thursday it was planning to launch in the second half of this year a new flagship phone, leading to speculation that the company is planning an alternative to the ill-fated Galaxy Note7 that had to be recalled last year.

The launch of a new flagship smartphone this year and continuing sales of the Galaxy S8 and S8+ will help Samsung counter Apple’s launch of a new version of its iPhone. Apple usually unveils new phones in September.

Samsung does announce a S series phone in the first half of the year and a Note series in the second half," said Kiranjeet Kaur, research manager for client devices at IDC Asia/Pacific.

Samsung makes 2 flagship phones a year whereas Apple only release one. It's been this way for years. Unfortunately for Samsung last year's Note 7 was problematic.

Over 4000 employees in Cork. That's a bit more than "just an office that says Apple".

I modded so posted as AC!
From right-wing so it must be wrong!?
I consider myself left-wing, but fact is the fact, your argument just like German media, "you should not be convinced by right-wing populist propaganda, believe me!".
OK, if the links aarlin posted above is from neo-nazi, how about this:
It’s not only Germany that covers up mass sex attacks by migrant men... Sweden’s record is shameful
Now Swedish officials face claims of covering up migrant sex attacks

For the first link, it's so FUNNY that Sweden mentioned 'fighting Russian propaganda war'. I wonder whether if they found out the Russian sub? Oh, how panicked Sweden media reacted as they found a Russian sub sank in early 1900s? or French fighter violated Sweden's airspace was missed identifying as Russian one? or use 'gay ads' to repel Russian submarine?

Shitty meme, this is more technology-related

There are a lot of lies spouted during the Overall Abortion Debate. For example, it is a lie to claim that "intrinsic value" exists. It is a lie to claim that an unborn human is not alive. It is a lie to claim that human life matters, in the Grand Scheme of Things. It is a lie to claim that an unborn human is equal to a "baby" or "child" (both of which normally don't have an attached placenta as a vital organ). It is a lie to claim that an unborn human is more than just a mere-animal organism. It is a lie to claim that "human" is always equal to "person" (see all the human life, cuticle cells, getting killed during manicures and pedicures; cuticle cells have the full set of human DNA and modern cloning/stem-cell research shows that any such cell has the potential to act like a zygote --also see "hydatidiform moles" and "brain-dead adults on full life-support" as other examples where "human" does not equal "person"). It is a lie to equate "potential" with "actual" (do you, a potential corpse, want to be buried 6 feet under today?). It is a lie to claim that the finite Earth has endless food-resources for an ever-growing population. It is a lie to claim that fossil fuels will last indefinitely. It is a lie to claim the Earth is not currently overpopulated, when we have such problems as Global Warming, Deforestation, Overfishing, Aquifer Depletion, Farmland Encroachment by Cities, Topsoil Losses, Algae Blooms, and vast amounts of Toxic Waste being dumped into the environment as a side-effect of Mass Production. It is a lie to claim that humanity is immune to a "Malthusian Catastrophe". It is a lie to claim that unborn human animal organisms are "innocent", when they actually act worse than parasites (without actually being parasites). It is even a lie to claim God opposes abortion (see Exodus 20:21, in which causing a miscarriage can be associated with the arbitrary penalty of ZERO). When all the lies are finally extirpated from the Overall Abortion Debate, there will be no valid rationale for illegalizing abortion in this day-and-age.

At least one of Apple's Irish subsidiaries has zero employees though.

Apple has 4000 employees in Ireland.

Did you make that up, or did you have someone else make it up for you? Apple has thousands of employees in Ireland. http://www.independent.ie/busi...

Yield is increased up to 50%. As it is stated in the independent link.
NOT 74% as stated by inhabitat, that well known source of unreliable news.

http://googleblog.blogspot.ca/...

The girls determined that the bacteria could be used to speed up the the germination process of certain crops, like barley and oats, by 50 percent, potentially helping fulfill the rising demand for food worldwide.

http://www.independent.ie/busi...

It revolves around their discovery that bacteria which occur naturally in the soil can help kick-start the germination of some crops by as much as 50pc.

I can see how this might work against somebody stealing a car as it is something that can be relatively easy to track. But tracking a person as they go into the subway is difficult or if somebody is wearing a hoodie. It still wouldn't touch the big players in organized or white collar crime.

They are looking into it. The loopholes are the problem, not the actual taxes themselves. And one them has already been closed. http://www.independent.ie/busi...

"The report in a Sunday newspaper suggested that the Ombudsman decided to hire a British security consultancy company after it became concerned that its internal communications system was being bugged.

The consultants allegedly concluded that the commission was being targeted using controlled technology, which was not commercially available or sold to non government agencies ..

A second wi-fi system had been created to allow the data to be examined, using an IP address in Britain while electronically concealing the identities and whereabouts of those involved in the spying." link

Usually once inside the milking shed, the cattle can find their way to the stalls by their own. Then you only need a robotic system to collect the milk:

http://www.independent.ie/business/farming/ploughing-championships/robotic-milking-parlour-with-herd-of-40-cows-is-set-to-be-star-attraction-29604052.html

What he means is, "The UK can raise its tax rate all it wants. It makes no difference to Google, since we will structure our business deals so that they are not subject to UK tax anyway."

That is a sick joke, asshole.

I certainly hope that Sladhot has acquired "Independent.ie's express written consent" for linking to their article in the scoop, as stipulated in the newspaper's online edition's Terms & Conditions:

Hypertext links to this website by other users and websites are permitted provided that the link to this website is in a simple list of companies by pointing to Independent.ie's home page http://www.independent.ie. This limited licence entitles other users and websites to link to Independent.ie's home page only, and linking to other content on or information in this website is prohibited without Independent.ie's express written consent.

I certainly hope that Sladhot has acquired "Independent.ie's express written consent" for linking to their article in the scoop, as stipulated in the newspaper's online edition's Terms & Conditions:

Hypertext links to this website by other users and websites are permitted provided that the link to this website is in a simple list of companies by pointing to Independent.ie's home page http://www.independent.ie. This limited licence entitles other users and websites to link to Independent.ie's home page only, and linking to other content on or information in this website is prohibited without Independent.ie's express written consent.

Whichever side of the issue you stand on, it's worth noting that arguably the most prominent signatories to this letter and/or the companies they represent - Intel and Google - came under fire for allegedly secretly conspiring together to block worker mobility ("The no-hire paper trail Steve Jobs and Eric Schmidt didn't want you to see"), so a cynic might suggest perhaps they're not quite as concerned with labor's free-and-natural-flow when it doesn't suit their needs. Also, Ireland seems to be finding that importing tech labor isn't quite the rising-tide-that-lifts-all-boats that it was cracked up to be ("Ireland too scared to tax big tech, Let the poor eat potatos"), "Google paid only £5.6m tax despite £10bn turnover").

We'll show them the light ! Here they are, all of them in all their glory:

http://www.independent.ie/
http://www.irishexaminer.com/
http://www.irishtimes.com/
http://www.thestar.ie/
http://www.herald.ie/
http://www.independent.ie/
http://www.sundayworld.com/
http://www.businesspost.ie/
http://www.pressdisplay.com/pressdisplay/fr/viewer.aspx (they don't even have a website, how funny)
http://www.farmersjournal.ie/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
http://www.mirror.co.uk/
http://www.thesun.ie/
http://www.mirror.co.uk/
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/
http://www.thesun.co.uk/

Most of them don't even have an irish dedicated website. They are pathetic. It's like passing a decree that makes people owing me $300 if they ever whisper my name in their car. There. Be warned.

maybe its the most clever link bait :)

We'll show them the light ! Here they are, all of them in all their glory:

http://www.independent.ie/
http://www.irishexaminer.com/
http://www.irishtimes.com/
http://www.thestar.ie/
http://www.herald.ie/
http://www.independent.ie/
http://www.sundayworld.com/
http://www.businesspost.ie/
http://www.pressdisplay.com/pressdisplay/fr/viewer.aspx (they don't even have a website, how funny)
http://www.farmersjournal.ie/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
http://www.mirror.co.uk/
http://www.thesun.ie/
http://www.mirror.co.uk/
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/
http://www.thesun.co.uk/

Most of them don't even have an irish dedicated website. They are pathetic. It's like passing a decree that makes people owing me $300 if they ever whisper my name in their car. There. Be warned.

maybe its the most clever link bait :)

I've excluded the URL's that link to the UK as they have no web .ie presence and therefore those sites are only partly involved.
Also, I'd like to add that I'm grateful for the free press we have in Ireland and I hope we don't f&*k that up.

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Irish Daily Mirror (URL?) (English subsidiary)

Irish Sunday Mirror (URL? ) (English subsidiary)
The Sunday Times (URL? ) (English subsidiary)

I believe my response would be, "Go to hell"

We'll show them the light ! Here they are, all of them in all their glory:

http://www.independent.ie/
http://www.irishexaminer.com/
http://www.irishtimes.com/
http://www.thestar.ie/
http://www.herald.ie/
http://www.independent.ie/
http://www.sundayworld.com/
http://www.businesspost.ie/
http://www.pressdisplay.com/pressdisplay/fr/viewer.aspx (they don't even have a website, how funny)
http://www.farmersjournal.ie/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
http://www.mirror.co.uk/
http://www.thesun.ie/
http://www.mirror.co.uk/
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/
http://www.thesun.co.uk/

Most of them don't even have an irish dedicated website. They are pathetic. It's like passing a decree that makes people owing me $300 if they ever whisper my name in their car. There. Be warned.

We'll show them the light ! Here they are, all of them in all their glory:

http://www.independent.ie/
http://www.irishexaminer.com/
http://www.irishtimes.com/
http://www.thestar.ie/
http://www.herald.ie/
http://www.independent.ie/
http://www.sundayworld.com/
http://www.businesspost.ie/
http://www.pressdisplay.com/pressdisplay/fr/viewer.aspx (they don't even have a website, how funny)
http://www.farmersjournal.ie/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
http://www.mirror.co.uk/
http://www.thesun.ie/
http://www.mirror.co.uk/
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/
http://www.thesun.co.uk/

Most of them don't even have an irish dedicated website. They are pathetic. It's like passing a decree that makes people owing me $300 if they ever whisper my name in their car. There. Be warned.

http://www.herald.ie/news/mums-fears-as-son-misses-own-birthday-3340444.html http://www.eveningecho.ie/2013/01/02/cork-spends-300000e-collecting-house-fee/ http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/heineken-cup/ http://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/features/ http://www.theirishfield.ie/site/healey-gallery.php http://www.sundayworld.com/columnists/sw-irish-crime.php?aid=13949

I make that 1800 euro and you can go f*** yourselves.

When you get the bill send THIS back to them.

I like the number 9 so let's go for 900.
http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/independent-woman/celebrity-news-gossip/girls-allowed-kathryn-thomas-has-fun-in-the-sun-on-a-winter-break-with-pals-3340584.html
http://www.independent.ie/world-news/comedian-jim-davidson-among-two-men-arrested-in-savile-sex-abuse-probe-3341466.html
http://www.independent.ie/world-news/sarkozy-took-50m-of-gaddafis-cash-french-judge-is-told-3341446.html

As you can see it's all quality reporting well worth the 300 per link.

I like the number 9 so let's go for 900.
http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/independent-woman/celebrity-news-gossip/girls-allowed-kathryn-thomas-has-fun-in-the-sun-on-a-winter-break-with-pals-3340584.html
http://www.independent.ie/world-news/comedian-jim-davidson-among-two-men-arrested-in-savile-sex-abuse-probe-3341466.html
http://www.independent.ie/world-news/sarkozy-took-50m-of-gaddafis-cash-french-judge-is-told-3341446.html

As you can see it's all quality reporting well worth the 300 per link.

I like the number 9 so let's go for 900.
http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/independent-woman/celebrity-news-gossip/girls-allowed-kathryn-thomas-has-fun-in-the-sun-on-a-winter-break-with-pals-3340584.html
http://www.independent.ie/world-news/comedian-jim-davidson-among-two-men-arrested-in-savile-sex-abuse-probe-3341466.html
http://www.independent.ie/world-news/sarkozy-took-50m-of-gaddafis-cash-french-judge-is-told-3341446.html

As you can see it's all quality reporting well worth the 300 per link.

What are they going to do with all the Microsoft licenses?

Sell them. With their economy in turmoil they'll be looking for a refund or a "pass" on any restrictions to that pesky "first sale doctrine".

What is it with people that take advantage of the high social development afforded by higher tax rates only to run off to a low tax rate area when they become rich?

Because people are self-serving? I know it hurts to realize this.

We really need to make sure people understand that ALL wealth comes from government.

No, it comes from the exchange of goods and services between people. Governments are abstracts.

Government makes sure your employees are educated instead of brain-dead religious morons,

So do industry standards.

that roads/trains/airports exist to deliver your products to customers,

All those were 100% created by entrepreneurs when the technology was new before they became critical to the general welfare (and rightly so).

that the banks holding your money don't have disappearing bank accounts, and on and on.

Preventing fraud and theft? Yeah, that's a function best left to government.

The richer you are, the more dependent you are on government, as a larger portion of your wealth came about because government made it possible for you to be wealthy.

Somehow, I suspect that the people who have no jobs and live on welfare payments are less dependent on government than the wealthy.

You can't be rich in a libertarian paradise like Ireland or Somalia. Does anyone even know any rich Irishman? Do they even exist?

Does anyone know what "straw man argument" or "argumentum ad ignorantiam" mean? Hint: Somalia is a anarchy. And Google is your friend.

It seems people become libertarian AFTER they become rich, as they have the mistaken belief that they somehow made their wealth themselves. They have no idea the kind of infrastructure and work government put in to get that one dollar to travel into their hands in the first place. No, the wealthy didn't magically conjure up that dollar into their pockets.

Ooh, another "argumentum ad ignorantiam" and a straw man. I'm a libertarian who earns less than what Obama calls "rich" every year. You're ignorant no longer. No, the wealthy don't "magically" conjure up the dollar. Usually, they have to spend a lot of their own time and money thinking of ideas (with their own bodies, that at least for the time being aren't owned by the government). If they have to take advantage of any government services along the way, it's because the progressives have already created those WITH THE WEALTH OF THE PEOPLE. So yours is a circular argument: we need to tax the successful so that we can have more services for the wealthy to use so we can tax them.

> whats wrong with the real small claims court?


Real small claims court doesn't spend much time on investigating claims. To clear cases quickly the judge quickly weighs up sides and makes a snap decision. Under the adversarial system of justice its not about finding the truth, but about who deciding presents the best arguments. That's easier for the judge, but it shouldn't be confused with justice. In some jurisdictions you can't appeal or even be told the reasons. The judge makes a mistake (they are human so it happens) you won't even know.

Small claims court weren't created because they are better than the bigger courts, but as a way of offering the little people cheaper although less reliable justice. The bigger courts are worse though since they are extremely expensive charging rates that cannot be justified. Whoever has the most money to fund the most appeals and buy the better lawyers wins.

Arbitration is in theory a great idea, but a big problem is that the arbitration system is taken over by judges and lawyers charging the same rates. It's sold as a cheaper alternative, but it has many traps. One problem is a big company who nominates an arbitration company (yes, they are companies) will pick one that gives them favorable results or they won't get repeat business. I loved Erin Brockovich the movie, but the arbitration system they used has been severely critcized by some of their clients. If you loved the movie then don't read this:

http://www.salon.com/2000/04/14/sharp/
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=8169252&page=1#.T875jlK6SSo
http://www.givemebackmyrights.com/bma-faq.htm
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-05-21/consumers-may-see-new-limits-on-mandatory-arbitration
http://www.homeloanbasics.com/articles/FirstTimeHomeBuyers/MandatoryArbitrationClausesStripHomebuyersofSuitableRecourse
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x301912
http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/website-aims-to-boost-50m-arbitration-industry-2351246.html

The justice system badly needs reform, but you have many politicians and lawyers doing very well out of the current system who won't give it up.

That suggestion was quickly met with a fiery and typically bolshie response from Brian Cowen -- the man on whose watch as finance minister most of the worst crimes were committed. "We're not fucking nationalising Anglo," he shouted as he slammed the table.

So what? He took his orders from Ahern, and Ahern set things in motion in such a way that a crash was inevitable. Lenihan then authorised the disastrous blanket banking guarantee after a tense and secret midnight meeting with the top bankers.

Context is everything. The comments were made in the middle of a debate about

....women who were forced to travel abroad for medical terminations when they found the babies they were carrying were missing vital organs, like brains, and were completely unviable outside the womb

...what does that have to do with what I said? You're painting visions of politicians tearing their hair out over "fornication" when it was just one nutty backwoods TD, who has since been kept firmly muzzled by the party.

I'll just refer you and all your friends who have run off to London and transferred assets to their wives and children to this article on the grand delusions of property "victims".

Oh right so all of the investment property owners in the country have run off to London have they? What nonsense. You're again trying to paint a picture of champagne-quaffing nascent upper classes, when the reality is that anyone unwise enough to have invested in property over the last twelve years here is in deeper trouble than anyone.

The time has come for you to go back to reading the Irish Times and pretending that there's nothing wrong with the country.

And he finishes off by putting words in my mouth. I never said there was nothing wrong with the country. I said it was racist to stereotype Irish people as stupid, which it is. And if that's not patently obvious, there really is something wrong with you. Here try this experiment: replace the word "Irishman" in the op with "black man" and see how that goes down.

The country was bankrupted by a lying scumbag (Ahern) and an incompetent Finance Minister (Lenihan). Cowen was just a puppet.

That suggestion was quickly met with a fiery and typically bolshie response from Brian Cowen -- the man on whose watch as finance minister most of the worst crimes were committed. "We're not fucking nationalising Anglo," he shouted as he slammed the table.

I must have missed the great fornication debate that seems to be taking up 100% of the time of 100% of the politicians in the country. Oh wait, no I didn't, because it was one back country TD making one ridiculous comment.

Context is everything. The comments were made in the middle of a debate about

....women who were forced to travel abroad for medical terminations when they found the babies they were carrying were missing vital organs, like brains, and were completely unviable outside the womb.

More news you appear to have missed, the landlords of some twenty plus houses were forcibly evicted from their own palatial residence recently, there are plenty of unemployed solicitors, and even bankers have joined the dole queues. I know a few of them personally.

I'll just refer you and all your friends who have run off to London and transferred assets to their wives and children to this article on the grand delusions of property "victims".

Perhaps the time has come for you to take a good look in the mirror and ask yourself who is looking back, because its not someone with a firm grasp on reality.

The time has come for you to go back to reading the Irish Times and pretending that there's nothing wrong with the country. Why don't you spend today reading their latest barrage of pro Fiscal Treaty propaganda. And while you're at it, ask yourself where a newspaper in the middle of a recession got the money to pay for all those columnists and shiny new supplements.

That's even if you are in Ireland, because nobody here refers to solicitors as "lawyers".

It's a collective term for barristers, laywers, and crooks. I suspect you're friends with quite a few yourself.

Quote from last link:

ICELAND pursued better policies than Ireland or Latvia when the three countries' economies collapsed in 2007 because the Reykjavik government allowed banks to fail, according to a new report by the influential Bruegel think tank." ... "The experience with the collapse of the gigantic Icelandic banking system suggests that letting banks fail when they had a faulty business model can be the right choice," the report notes.

In relation to your point about postal votes, they don't exist for the general public here in Ireland. If you're not in your voting district on the day, you don't get to vote. The only postal votes that occur are for people who are deployed overseas by the government, namely Irish military on peacekeeping, Garda members who are deployed as advisors and protection of state officials who may be abroad on the day or diplomatic staff (e.g. embassy staff).

However its not that difficult to commit voting fraud in Ireland. I'm registered in one district here (Dublin South East) but I've just moved apartment. The registration process for the electroral register here has a form for transfering your vote to a new district. But its awkward because you have to go to a Garda (police) station and have a Garda sign it verifying you are who you say you are, but to register as a new voter before an election (as part of a registration drive the government has before an election) you only have to fill out the form and send it in the post, no need for garda verification. Personally I can't wait for my vote to be transferred over so I get my RFA2 form ASAP to transfer it from on district to the next, but a regular citizen will probably wait for the next registration drive. Then on the day of the election, they could go from one constituency to the next and vote without being challenged as long as they provide ID.

But being honest, our governments have been a joke with regards electronic systems, between the E-Voting system and the Payroll system for our Health Sector electronic payroll system our politicians are going to fear bringing any electronic system for anything leaving us in the dark ages...

Wouldn't it be more damaging for politicians who supported high taxes to be holding considerable sums of money in non-taxed accounts?

What, like when U2 moved out of Ireland to the Netherlands to avoid paying tax?

Bonus hypocrisy points to Bono for saying that we all need to pay more in tax to help the developing world...

Except that such small aircraft and airports won't be such a terrorist target.

I run a Transport Security Program for a small regional airport consisting of about a half a dozen businesses with perhaps two dozen aircraft in total, we operate under similar rules as a security controlled airport (except the screening points between zones) and I can tell you, we are a target. Within the last 2 years we've had 2 incidents, one involving a foreign flight student who had terrorist links and was operating under a false name and another where a refuelling company was hit by a sophisticated social engineering attack with the goal of getting information regarding their access control regimes for the actual fuel bowsers.
You're talking about the same people who are satisfied to only attempt to blow up a vehicle within a metro area and get international press, of course they target small regional airports. It wouldn't take much to organise a coordinated attack using small aircraft in the same fashion as this.

This is the same guy who has insinuated that George W. Bush is pals with Osama Bin Laden and specifically sent too few troops into Afghanistan to make sure Bin Laden escaped and wanted to keep his Taliban friends safe.

Do you have a citation for these claims? From what I remember of the movie, the points you refer to are:

• The claim that the Bush family have business contacts and personal friendships with some of the Bin Laden family - the friendships being so close that they affectionately nicknamed one Bin Laden "Bandar Bush". However, there is no claim, at all, that George W. Bush is pals with Osama Bin Laden. Moore does make a point that the Bin Ladens were given special "fly" approval and allowed to leave the country when everyone else in the U.S. was prohibited from flying. Given the personal and financial contacts that the Bin Laden family have had with Osama, Moore suggests that interviewing these people may have been more appropriate.
• The claim that Bush sent too few troops into Tora Bora, despite having intelligence that Osama bin Laden was there. This refers to the incident: "How bin Laden outsmarted Bush in caves of Tora Bora". Despite publically stating that they were certain Osama was in Tora Bora, only a special operations task force of fewer than 30 US soldiers was sent after him, and no attempt was made to close mountain passes with Pakistan. Several thousand U.S. troops from the US Army's Tenth Mountain Division were just across the border in Uzbekistan and ready to be sent in to action, but the order was never given.

The Bush/Bin Laden family and business connection stuff is documented fact. The President's special "fly" approval enabling the Bin Laden's to leave the U.S. immediately after the 9/11 attacks is documented fact. The decision to send fewer than 30 soldiers to pursue Osama, when they knew (or claimed to know) where he was, is documented fact. What is so outrageous about Moore's statements here?

The Irish Times and The Irish Independent both claim 50,000.

According to this study smacking your kids can give them an advantage over non-smacked kids.

The Irish Data Privacy Commissioner told Google to delete the data it had collected here and move along. http://www.independent.ie/business/technology/google-plays-down-privacy-fears-2185516.html

"It's really quite funny that you want to publicize this spat." - by clone53421 (1310749) on Friday April 02, @06:46PM (#31710776)

Not sure what you mean by that, but, it's FUNNIER watching you run from answering questions, and to see you running from your own mistakes and outright blunders, here:

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1591778&cid=31706790

Anyone can take a peek at the URL above, and realize you screwed up, so badly (via your own mistakes and words) that all you have now is your b.s. (pretty simple).

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"Any sane person could see from this thread that you are clearly batshit insane" - by clone53421 (1310749) on Friday April 02, @06:46PM (#31710776)

Got a PHD in Psychiatry to your name? No?? Didn't think so. Have you performed a FORMAL TEST on myself, in person, in order to dispense your "prognosis" there, Dr. Quack?? Again, no. All you have is your b.s. & mistakes which I will repost in my p.s. below (just to show anyone reading this what a trolling screwup you are, lol!).

(LMAO - You? You're "too, Too, TOO EASY!")

APK

P.S.=>

"Then they went on to say that the German government had advised against using version 2.6, which was OLD NEWS and anyone with a brain would know this from reading TFA. As I have one, and did, and know this, which are apparently the differences between me and you... LOL!" - by clone53421 (1310749) on Friday April 02, @10:34AM (#31706202)

WRONG: That says "later this month" & is a "note" ONLY, you fool... THUS, the article IS ABOUT VERSION 3.6 when it was written, & that it had a serious bug! Hence, why Germany warned about using FF to its people... troll, you're not even GOOD @ trolling.

I get that "last laugh" on you, BIGTIME (because you shot your mouth off with false information (not to mention constant name tossing & such as well, the SURE SIGN of those defeated by facts & reason in debate no less).

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"LOL, better than a REAL SECURITY FIRM, I guess? Because that is where I got my source" - by clone53421 (1310749) on Friday April 02, @10:51AM (#31706372)

No, YOUR INFO. IS 2 VERSIONS OF OPERA OLD #1, & #2? Your link above (I went thru your posts here in this exchange) & it was from OPERA, here: http://www.opera.com/support/kb/view/865/ when you posted it, here in this exchange -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1591778&cid=31582488

(Man, YOU CAN'T EVEN GET THAT MUCH RIGHT... lol!)

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"Nice try, apk, really nice try... APF is more like it though, because you really are an APril Fool (all year long! ROFL)." - by clone53421 (1310749) on Friday April 02, @10:51AM (#31706372)

Better than yours, so again: CAN YOU TELL US THE TOPIC OF THIS ARTICLE? Clue - IT'S ABOUT GERMANY WARNING ITS PEOPLES NOT TO USE FIREFOX as they did about IE also

"They did come for Opera; they recommended that people stop using it until this latest version patched the security flaw they found" - by clone53421 (1310749) on Thursday April 01, @08:29AM (#31699378) Journal(1310749) on Thursday April 01, @08:29AM (#31699378) Journal

THE QUOTATION ABOVE IS YOUR OWN WORDS ABOVE STATING THE GERMAN GOV'T. WARNED ITS PEOPLES ABOUT OPERA (which they never did, as they did regarding FF &/or IE, proofs below):

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German government in Firefox warning -> http://www.independent.ie/business/technology/german-government-in-firefox-warning-2107853.html

and

German governme

"Then they went on to say that the German government had advised against using version 2.6, which was OLD NEWS and anyone with a brain would know this from reading TFA. As I have one, and did, and know this, which are apparently the differences between me and you... LOL!" - by clone53421 (1310749) on Friday April 02, @10:34AM (#31706202)

WRONG: That says "later this month" & is a "note" ONLY, you fool... THUS, the article IS ABOUT VERSION 3.6 when it was written, & that it had a serious bug! Hence, why Germany warned about using FF to its people... troll, you're not even GOOD @ trolling.

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"LOL, better than a REAL SECURITY FIRM, I guess? Because that is where I got my source" - by clone53421 (1310749) on Friday April 02, @10:51AM (#31706372)

No, YOUR INFO. IS 2 VERSIONS OF OPERA OLD #1, & #2? Your link above (I went thru your posts here in this exchange) & it was from OPERA, here: http://www.opera.com/support/kb/view/865/ when you posted it, here in this exchange -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1591778&cid=31582488

(Man, YOU CAN'T EVEN GET THAT MUCH RIGHT... lol!)

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"Nice try, apk, really nice try... APF is more like it though, because you really are an APril Fool (all year long! ROFL)." - by clone53421 (1310749) on Friday April 02, @10:51AM (#31706372)

Better than yours, so again: CAN YOU TELL US THE TOPIC OF THIS ARTICLE? Clue - IT'S ABOUT GERMANY WARNING ITS PEOPLES NOT TO USE FIREFOX as they did about IE also

"They did come for Opera; they recommended that people stop using it until this latest version patched the security flaw they found" - by clone53421 (1310749) on Thursday April 01, @08:29AM (#31699378) Journal(1310749) on Thursday April 01, @08:29AM (#31699378) Journal

THE QUOTATION ABOVE IS YOUR OWN WORDS ABOVE STATING THE GERMAN GOV'T. WARNED ITS PEOPLES ABOUT OPERA (which they never did, as they did regarding FF &/or IE, proofs below):

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German government in Firefox warning -> http://www.independent.ie/business/technology/german-government-in-firefox-warning-2107853.html

and

German government warns citizens off IE -> http://www.techradar.com/news/internet/german-government-warns-citizens-off-ie-664181

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SO - once more: Can you show me where German government EVER SAID NOT TO USE OPERA? No, you cannot... even though you said they did (b.s., & this below ALL proves that much easily, with your OWN LYING WORDS no less, easily ("too, Too, TOO EASY" in fact!)).

You'll never find that the germans said "stay away from Opera", EVEN THOUGH YOU SAY GERMAN GOV'T. DID ABOVE (pure b.s. OR a mistake on your part, take your pick) - they have never done so, afaik @ least!

(You're either "thick" in the head, an incorrigible TROLL (this is the case imo), or just well... "less than a 10 below plantlife IQ" bearing individual (& please - listen to Alice in Chains & take their advice and "CHECK YOUR BRAIN", or @ least your inability to read... thank you!))... apk

APK

P.S.=> Your information is also SO STALE (considering you posted a very old bug from OPERA 9.23) & OPERA IS CURRENTLY AT VERSION 10.52.3344 as of today, here -> http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/ ... so, so much for "your information being current" (far, Far, FAR FROM IT in fact - what you posted is YEARS OLD on a guess/iirc)... apk

"Then they went on to say that the German government had advised against using version 2.6, which was OLD NEWS and anyone with a brain would know this from reading TFA. As I have one, and did, and know this, which are apparently the differences between me and you... LOL!" - by clone53421 (1310749) on Friday April 02, @10:34AM (#31706202)

WRONG: That says "later this month" & is a "note" ONLY, you fool... THUS, the article IS ABOUT VERSION 3.6 when it was written, & that it had a serious bug! Hence, why Germany warned about using FF to its people... troll, you're not even GOOD @ trolling.

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"LOL, better than a REAL SECURITY FIRM, I guess? Because that is where I got my source" - by clone53421 (1310749) on Friday April 02, @10:51AM (#31706372)

No, YOUR INFO. IS 2 VERSIONS OF OPERA OLD #1, & #2? Your link above (I went thru your posts here in this exchange) & it was from OPERA, here: http://www.opera.com/support/kb/view/865/ when you posted it, here in this exchange -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1591778&cid=31582488

(Man, YOU CAN'T EVEN GET THAT MUCH RIGHT... lol!)

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"Nice try, apk, really nice try... APF is more like it though, because you really are an APril Fool (all year long! ROFL)." - by clone53421 (1310749) on Friday April 02, @10:51AM (#31706372)

Better than yours, so again: CAN YOU TELL US THE TOPIC OF THIS ARTICLE? Clue - IT'S ABOUT GERMANY WARNING ITS PEOPLES NOT TO USE FIREFOX as they did about IE also

"They did come for Opera; they recommended that people stop using it until this latest version patched the security flaw they found" - by clone53421 (1310749) on Thursday April 01, @08:29AM (#31699378) Journal(1310749) on Thursday April 01, @08:29AM (#31699378) Journal

THOSE ARE YOUR OWN WORDS ABOVE STATING THE GERMAN GOV'T. WARNED ITS PEOPLES ABOUT OPERA (which they never did, as they did regarding FF &/or IE, proofs below):

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German government in Firefox warning -> http://www.independent.ie/business/technology/german-government-in-firefox-warning-2107853.html

and

German government warns citizens off IE -> http://www.techradar.com/news/internet/german-government-warns-citizens-off-ie-664181

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SO - once more: Can you show me where German government EVER SAID NOT TO USE OPERA? No, you cannot... even though you said they did (b.s., & this below ALL proves that much easily, with your OWN LYING WORDS no less, easily ("too, Too, TOO EASY" in fact!)).

You'll never find that the germans said "stay away from Opera", EVEN THOUGH YOU SAY GERMAN GOV'T. DID ABOVE (pure b.s. OR a mistake on your part, take your pick) - they have never done so, afaik @ least!

(You're either "thick" in the head, an incorrigible TROLL (this is the case imo), or just well... "less than a 10 below plantlife IQ" bearing individual (& please - listen to Alice in Chains & take their advice and "CHECK YOUR BRAIN", or @ least your inability to read... thank you!))... apk

APK

P.S.=> Your information is also SO STALE (considering you posted a very old bug from OPERA 9.23) & OPERA IS CURRENTLY AT VERSION 10.52.3344 as of today, here -> http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/ ... so, so much for "your information being current" (far, Far, FAR FROM IT in fact - what you posted is YEARS OLD on a guess/iirc)... apk

"Then they went on to say that the German government had advised against using version 2.6, which was OLD NEWS and anyone with a brain would know this from reading TFA. As I have one, and did, and know this, which are apparently the differences between me and you... LOL!by clone53421 (1310749) on Friday April 02, @10:34AM (#31706202)

WRONG: That says "later this month" & is a "note" ONLY, you fool... THUS, the article IS ABOUT VERSION 3.6 when it was written, & that it had a serious bug! Hence, why Germany warned about using FF to its people... troll, you're not even GOOD @ trolling.

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"LOL, better than a REAL SECURITY FIRM, I guess? Because that is where I got my source" - by clone53421 (1310749) on Friday April 02, @10:51AM (#31706372)

No, YOUR INFO. IS 2 VERSIONS OF OPERA OLD #1, & #2? Your link above (I went thru your posts here in this exchange) & it was from OPERA, here: http://www.opera.com/support/kb/view/865/ when you posted it, here in this exchange -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1591778&cid=31582488

(Man, YOU CAN'T EVEN GET THAT MUCH RIGHT... lol!)

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"Nice try, apk, really nice try... APF is more like it though, because you really are an APril Fool (all year long! ROFL)." - by clone53421 (1310749) on Friday April 02, @10:51AM (#31706372)

Better than yours, so again: CAN YOU TELL US THE TOPIC OF THIS ARTICLE? Clue - IT'S ABOUT GERMANY WARNING ITS PEOPLES NOT TO USE FIREFOX as they did about IE also

"They did come for Opera; they recommended that people stop using it until this latest version patched the security flaw they found" - by clone53421 (1310749) on Thursday April 01, @08:29AM (#31699378) Journal(1310749) on Thursday April 01, @08:29AM (#31699378) Journal

THOSE ARE YOUR OWN WORDS ABOVE STATING THE GERMAN GOV'T. WARNED ITS PEOPLES ABOUT OPERA (which they never did, as they did regarding FF &/or IE, proofs below):

---

German government in Firefox warning -> http://www.independent.ie/business/technology/german-government-in-firefox-warning-2107853.html

and

German government warns citizens off IE -> http://www.techradar.com/news/internet/german-government-warns-citizens-off-ie-664181

----

SO - once more: Can you show me where German government EVER SAID NOT TO USE OPERA? No, you cannot... even though you said they did (b.s., & this below ALL proves that much easily, with your OWN LYING WORDS no less, easily ("too, Too, TOO EASY" in fact!)).

You'll never find that the germans said "stay away from Opera", EVEN THOUGH YOU SAY GERMAN GOV'T. DID ABOVE (pure b.s. OR a mistake on your part, take your pick) - they have never done so, afaik @ least!

(You're either "thick" in the head, an incorrigible TROLL (this is the case imo), or just well... "less than a 10 below plantlife IQ" bearing individual (& please - listen to Alice in Chains & take their advice and "CHECK YOUR BRAIN", or @ least your inability to read... thank you!))... apk

APK

P.S.=> Your information is also SO STALE (considering you posted a very old bug from OPERA 9.23) & OPERA IS CURRENTLY AT VERSION 10.52.3344 as of today, here -> http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/ ... so, so much for "your information being current" (far, Far, FAR FROM IT in fact - what you posted is YEARS OLD on a guess/iirc)... apk

"LOL, better than a REAL SECURITY FIRM, I guess? Because that is where I got my source" - by clone53421 (1310749) on Friday April 02, @10:51AM (#31706372)

No, YOUR INFO. IS 2 VERSIONS OF OPERA OLD #1, & #2? Your link above (I went thru your posts here in this exchange) & it was from OPERA, here: http://www.opera.com/support/kb/view/865/ when you posted it, here in this exchange -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1591778&cid=31582488

(Man, YOU CAN'T EVEN GET THAT MUCH RIGHT... lol!)

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"Nice try, apk, really nice try... APF is more like it though, because you really are an APril Fool (all year long! ROFL)." - by clone53421 (1310749) on Friday April 02, @10:51AM (#31706372)

Better than yours, so again: CAN YOU TELL US THE TOPIC OF THIS ARTICLE? Clue - IT'S ABOUT GERMANY WARNING ITS PEOPLES NOT TO USE FIREFOX as they did about IE also

SO - once more: Can you show me where German government EVER SAID NOT TO USE OPERA? No, you cannot... even though you said they did (b.s., & this below ALL proves that much easily, with your OWN LYING WORDS no less, easily ("too, Too, TOO EASY" in fact!)).

(1310749) on Thursday April 01, @08:29AM (#31699378) Journal

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German government in Firefox warning -> http://www.independent.ie/business/technology/german-government-in-firefox-warning-2107853.html

and

German government warns citizens off IE -> http://www.techradar.com/news/internet/german-government-warns-citizens-off-ie-664181

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You'll never find that the germans said "stay away from Opera", EVEN THOUGH YOU SAY GERMAN GOV'T. DID ABOVE (pure b.s. OR a mistake on your part, take your pick) - they have never done so, afaik @ least!

(You're either "thick" in the head, an incorrigible TROLL (this is the case imo), or just well... "less than a 10 below plantlife IQ" bearing individual (& please - listen to Alice in Chains & take their advice and "CHECK YOUR BRAIN", or @ least your inability to read... thank you!))... apk

APK

P.S.=> Your information is also SO STALE (considering you posted a very old bug from OPERA 9.23) & OPERA IS CURRENTLY AT VERSION 10.52.3344 as of today, here -> http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/ ... so, so much for "your information being current" (far, Far, FAR FROM IT in fact - what you posted is YEARS OLD on a guess/iirc)... apk

"OOOOh yeah, the Germans are experts on computer security. Not." - by clone53421 (1310749) on Friday April 02, @12:09AM (#31704434)

They're more adept @ it than you are (iirc, they have a branch of gov't. & an agency (STASI, iirc?) for it, as most governments do)... especially since you said that Germany said to steer clear of Opera (& they NEVER have, though they did for BOTH IE &/or FF though, & what's in my p.s. below proves that...)

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"Enjoy your shitty advice from German politicians who know nothing about computers and OLD, OLD news about Firefox bugs that were already patched. LOL." - by clone53421 (1310749) on Friday April 02, @12:09AM (#31704434)

Not @ the post time of this article... care to tell us what this article's title & premise + conclusion were? Let me refresh your memory, with what's in my p.s. below...

APK

P.S.=> Now, back up your b.s., which I requoted now below, & find where THE GERMAN GOV'T. SAID "Don't use Opera", as they did with IE & FF... see here below (and this very article of course also):

"They did come for Opera; they recommended that people stop using it until this latest version patched the security flaw they found" - by clone53421 (1310749) on Thursday April 01, @08:29AM (#31699378) Journal

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German government in Firefox warning -> http://www.independent.ie/business/technology/german-government-in-firefox-warning-2107853.html

and

German government warns citizens off IE -> http://www.techradar.com/news/internet/german-government-warns-citizens-off-ie-664181

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You'll never find that the germans said "stay away from Opera" - they have never done so, afaik @ least!

(You're either "thick" in the head, an incorrigible TROLL (this is the case imo), or just well... "less than a 10 below plantlife IQ" bearing individual (& please - listen to Alice in Chains & take their advice and "CHECK YOUR BRAIN", or @ least your inability to read... thank you!))... apk

"Um, yes, that's OLD NEWS, and updated in the new version... so no, not "CURRENT". Nice try, apk!" - by clone53421 (1310749) on Thursday April 01, @07:19PM (#31703508)

What was this article on /. here about? Let me "refresh your memory": IT WAS ABOUT THE GERMAN GOVERNMENT SAYING "STEER CLEAR OF FIREFOX" (just as they did of IE before that - but, never about Opera, though YOU state they did & I quote that, again, below no less in my p.s.)...

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"It does make me laugh though to think how many mod points will be wasted modding down all of your offtopic, trolling posts replying to all of my posts." - by clone53421 (1310749) on Thursday April 01, @07:19PM (#31703508)

That's ok "CLOWN" (lol, change your name here to CLOWN instead of CLONE in other words, lol) - you can use all your mod points from your own alternate logon accounts for that... it's "ok by me" lmao!

(You're the one continuing this, with b.s. you cannot back up, in trolling myself in all my posts in this article's threads... NOT the other way around. If someone is trolling you, you probably did the same to they and they are only pointing it out to others... especially how you screwed up here, which I requote below next no less in my p.s. below)

APK

P.S.=>

"They did come for Opera; they recommended that people stop using it until this latest version patched the security flaw they found" - by clone53421 (1310749) on Thursday April 01, @08:29AM (#31699378) Journal

B.S. - again, find where THE GERMAN GOV'T. SAID "Don't use Opera", as they did with IE & FF... see here below (and this very article of course also):

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German government in Firefox warning -> http://www.independent.ie/business/technology/german-government-in-firefox-warning-2107853.html

and

German government warns citizens off IE -> http://www.techradar.com/news/internet/german-government-warns-citizens-off-ie-664181

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You'll never find that the germans said "stay away from Opera" - they have never done so, afaik @ least!

(You're either "thick" in the head, an incorrigible TROLL (this is the case imo), or just well... "less than a 10 below plantlife IQ" bearing individual (& please - listen to Alice in Chains & take their advice and "CHECK YOUR BRAIN", or @ least your inability to read... thank you!)... apk

See subject-line above, lmao, & quit avoiding what you said quoted in my p.s. below (and back it up with proof):

"I already said I don't give half a worm-eaten turd what the German government said.:" - by clone53421 (1310749) on Friday April 02, @12:07AM (#31704426)

Sure you don't (sarcasm): Look @ your "frothing @ the mouth" profane reaction... THAT "tells the real tale" here, lol!

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"I quoted a LEGITIMATE SECURITY COMPANY." - by clone53421 (1310749) on Friday April 02, @12:07AM (#31704426)

Again: Oh really? Where was that?? I did so using SECUNIA.COM's data (they're widely known & respected as a site for obtaining security vulnerability data reports)...

So - where exactly did you find some the german gov't. saying "steer clear of Opera" (which has NO KNOWN SECURITY VULNERABILITIES currently per SECUNIA.COM, and also was shown to be FASTER THAN IE &/or FIREFOX numerous times in reports & tests of that I posted here, repeatedly no less)... as well as my putting up proofs of the GERMAN GOV'T. STATING "STEER CLEAR OF IE or FF" twice?

Where did you quote some "security company" saying so? I did not see that (I know I did though, in SECUNIA.COM, in this very exhange no less!)

Funny you can't find the German Gov't. stating that about Opera - even though YOU said they did, & they clearly did not and your lack of proof of the germans saying "steer clear of Opera" doesn't exist even though you said so (though the Germans did about both FF &/or IE!).

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"Enjoy your shitty advice from the wannabe security people in the German government, loser." - by clone53421 (1310749) on Friday April 02, @12:07AM (#31704426)

Yea, lol: Governments don't have security experts (not)... give us a break: They either have their own agencies for this (is it STASI for germans? I can't recall this anymore) OR, they contract to those that are to do so, like many governments do for many tasks/things!

(By the way: Your name tossing & profnanity aren't helping you "back up your b.s." which I requoted in my p.s. below for YOU TO NOW PROVE, because you said it!)

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"I'll be over here quoting real security analysts." - by clone53421 (1310749) on Friday April 02, @12:07AM (#31704426)

Where did you do that, ever, here in this very exchange? Either I missed it, or you are FULL OF IT (I used SECUNIA.COM by the by, which shows Opera with NO KNOWN VULNERABILITIES).

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"You're such a failure at trolling that it's really sad." - by clone53421 (1310749) on Friday April 02, @12:07AM (#31704426)

Funny - I back up my points with quotes & articles from respected sources (see my p.s. below & my initial + subsequent posts all throough this exchange)... you, by the same token/by way of comparison, do not.

P.S.=> Back up your b.s. here then, which I will now requote (Quit AVOIDING my questions troll: Prove what YOU stated, which I quote you in below next):

"They did come for Opera; they recommended that people stop using it until this latest version patched the security flaw they found" - by clone53421 (1310749) on Thursday April 01, @08:29AM (#31699378) Journal

B.S. - again, find where THE GERMAN GOV'T. SAID "Don't use Opera", as they did with IE & FF... see here below (and this very article of course also):

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German government in Firefox warning -> http://www.independent.ie/business/technology/german-government-in-firefox-warning-2107853.html

and

German government warns citizens off IE -> http://www.techradar.com/news/internet/germ