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LOL. all you could raise for Israeli "terrorism" (which are actually plain underground operations, aimed towards British nationals and not towards innocent civilians) are 2 lame wiki articles?... The file of Palestinian terrorism towards innocent civilians encompasses several hundreds of Kilobytes and thousands of incidents with thousands of victims. What are you talking about!? lol http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Terrorism/victims.html

You suffer from delusions of grandeur. The USA most famously is about the meanest country in the world, after only Italy. Most of what is called "foreign aid" is actually military aid particularly to Israel. That's not done out of charity, that's done in order to further your interests.

The people who end up paying to sort out the problems in the world are mostly Europeans and we look forward to the day the "American Taxpayer" starts paying their share.

Doesn't matter, it was only obtained through animal testing so it should be off limits regardless of how it is obtained now.

Well now, a) thats easy for you to say, and b) once knowledge is gained it would be wrong not to use it

Consider the experiments that were done on Jews during WW2 regarding exposure and hypothermia. Abhorrent though it was, the results of those experiments may be still valid today and you can't just throw that data away, it can never be reproduced.

Its the Jachin and Boaz show, once again..

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0011_0_09825.html

someday you somnambulists will arise from your stupor..

Tattoos? You mean something like this?

Yeah, like in Gaza, Afghanistan, and quite a few other places, it turned out that "pro-democracy" demonstrators are totally incapable of defending against violence. (and really, before that in Saudi Arabia, and many other countries, read up on exactly how many families were exterminated to put the house of Saud into power. Not that the other north african monarchies were subtle, but the history of the house of Saud really does challenge one's stomach more than "average")

All it takes is a "tiny minority" ready to kill like lunatics until they get their way.

If Egyptians aren't prepared to meet Hamas' violence with equally deadly force, including (perhaps especially) against women and children (because, sorry, Hamas ("the muslim brotherhood") uses them as weapons)

Of course, the fact that this sort of tactics are used has nothing to do with religion, espcially not with "that religion". No, it does not even have anything to do with the fact that the paedophile prophet used the same kinds of tactics, making them "holy". This guy is some serious peace of work. "Holy" Methods to spread the "holy" religion of islam used by the paedophile prophet included : war, slavery, kidnapping people into slavery, mass-rape, genocide, religious genocide, ethnic genocide, sexist genocide (killing all men and leaving the women and children of a tribe in the desert without protection), and of course ...

claiming the only thing people had against "his religion" was racism (often he was less than clear on whether it was "allah" or himself that was a god, you'd think this sort of thing, directly in a supposedly holy text, would make people think ...). Yes, really, this guy cried racism when muslims were refused access to a city where one muslim "went mad" (which obviously was revealed later to be at the direct orders of a certain paedophile prophet) and killed a dozen children. This guy did that in 700 AD, decrying the "racism" of the Jews. Works really well, apparently, in a society that panders to multiple religions, thinking it can accomodate any ideology, no matter how genocidal it is.

Of course, no society has ever survived 10% infiltration of mohamedans. Sometimes the musulmans won, sometimes the entire region was devastated, taking centuries to recover, but fortunately without muslims. Sometimes so many genocides were comitted that any trace of a recognizable culture was gone (ie : most of central and eastern Africa, Pakistan when it became muslim, even large regions of Europe sustained centuries of constant muslim attacks and infiltration ...)

But don't worry. After all, the only thing one could possibly hold against this ideology, or the paedophile prophet, is that "he's different". And of course, other religions killed too. The fact that the worst "other religion" maybe killed a million people in times, while the paedophile prophet's religion killed a billion ...

Also, of all religions, only one proudly boasts of the fact that it's founder killed tens of thousands of innocents ... guess which one. Of course, this cannot be taken to reflect badly on it, right ? Oh ...

Oh and the "holy" purpose of this religion ? Why, superiority, of course. Where have we heard that before ? Oh right ...

Waiting for those "troll" mods. You know, once you exceed a certain level of uncomfortable facts in a post, you're pretty much bound to end up at -1.

That's an interesting point, I hadn't considered the Nazi doctor's research. After reading up on the subject, I'd have to conclude that we should, in fact, throw out any data derived from such unethical research. In fact, that's already been done. Quoting

The Nazi data on hypothermia experiments would apparently fill the gap in Pozos' research. Perhaps it contained the information necessary to rewarm effectively frozen victims whose body temperatures were below 36 degrees. Pozos obtained the long suppressed Alexander Report on the hypothermia experiments at Dachau. He planned to analyze for publication the Alexander Report, along with his evaluation, to show the possible applications of the Nazi experiments to modern hypothermia research. Of the Dachau data, Pozos said, "It could advance my work in that it takes human subjects farther than we're willing."14

Pozos' plan to republish the Nazi data in the New England Journal of Medicine was flatly vetoed by the Journal's editor, Doctor Arnold Relman.15 Relman's refusal to publish Nazi data along with Pozos' comments was understandable given the source of the Nazi data and the way it was obtained.

Luckily in your case, Reiter actually didn't contribute anything:

Even if Dr. Reiter had not been a Nazi, it is not clear why he deserved having his name attached to the arthritis syndrome. Dr. Reiter's report was not the first, and he drew a serious, erroneous conclusion about his patient's diagnosis. Dr. Reiter initially concluded that the syndrome was caused by a spirochete, which he found in the military officer's blood, and named it spirochetosis arthritis.
But when the symptoms failed to respond to the then-standard anti-syphilis drugs, Dr. Reiter abandoned his belief in a spirochetal cause and concluded that his patient had something else -- now known by his name.
In 1965, Dr. Verna Wright, a British rheumatologist, repeating a comment made 12 years earlier in another scientific report, wrote: "Reiter's paper made a negligible, if not somewhat misleading, contribution to the subject."

Throwing out Reiter's research on the subject wouldn't change anything, and anyway there's no indication his research on that syndrome was unethical.

Back to peta though, it is a bit unfair of me to say they're hypocrites for accepting medical treatment derived from animal research, especially in the case of life-saving medicine.

Either way, it's not our business.

Last year, it was our business to the tune of $2.5B of military aid. iirc, Israel remains the largest beneficiary of US foreign aid, although I wonder if Iraq or Afghanistan has surpassed that in recent years (non-military aid).

If Israel doesn't need that aid, as you suggest, I'd suggest that we keep it. I think it's precisely because of that aid, which is used to kill Palestinians, that we get planes flown into our buildings.

The Nazis specifically prosecuted and eliminated Jews, gays, lesbians, Roma, handicapped people and probably a slew of other groups that didn't fit into their world view, quite a difference if you ask me.

By the way, the Nazis started with german communists first: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/dachau.html

Maybe the Palestinians should stop suicide bombing, lobbing rockets, kidnapping and general mayhem. Kind of hard to make peace with someone who is sworn to destroy you, and teaches hatred of Jews" to all its children. I don't agree with all the actions the Israelis take to defend themselves, but the Palestinians have avoided peace more than once (Camp David, etc...). The Israelis should stop building "settlements" in disputed lands.

Iran's Jewish population is the second largest in the Middle East, after Israel. Reports vary as to the condition and treatment of the small, tight-knit community.

Its interesting to compare the reaction of the Muslims supporting the mosque and community centre being build in the area damaged by the planes with the carmalite convent as auschwits, which was relocated.

And yes I would oppose converting a building damaged by a christian anti-abortion bomber to a church, or the opening of an irish Catholic centre at the site of the Baltic exchange.

December 1947 - Small kibbutzim were subjected to attacks - Gvulot, Ben-Shemen, Holon, Safed, Bat Yam and Kfar Yavetz. Sixty-two Jews were murdered by Arabs around Palestine. December 30, 1947 - 39 Jews were killed by Arab rioters at Haifa's oil refinery January 16, 1948 - 35 Jews were killed trying to reach Gush Etzion February 22, 1948 - 44 Jews were murdered in a bombing on Jerusalem's Rehov Ben-Yehuda February 29, 1948 - 23 Jews were killed all across Palestine, eight of them at the Hayotzek iron foundry. January and February 1948 - Rishon Lezion, Yehiam, Mishmar Hayarden, Tirat Zvi, Sde Eliahu, Ein Hanatziv, Magdiel, Mitzpe Hagalil and Ma'anit were all subjected to attacks. Arab attackers also bombedThe Palestine Post April 13, 1948 - 35 Jew were murdered during the Mount Scopus convoy massacre March and April - Assault on Hartuv by 400 Arabs based in the village of Ishwa and an attack on Kfar Darom by members of the Muslim Brotherhood. The Jewish Agency, the Solel Boneh building in Haifa and an Egged bus were bombed. May 15, 1948 - 127 Jews were massacred at Kfar Etzion, after 30 others had died defending the Etzion Bloc.

And here is more but a little after Oslo: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Terrorism/TerrorAttacks.html Oh and you are trying to say that throughout all events Arabs only killed 105 people.
1. You are an ignorant moron. Since September 2000 there has been 1,184 Israelis killed in the Arab terrorist acts. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Terrorism/victims.html.
2. You are a stupid moron for trying to find a moral equivalence of the Arab terror compaign against the Israeli civilians where the peaceful population is deliverately targeted, and Israeli compaign against the Arab terrorists where the militants are targeted and the peaceful population is collateral damage. Nothing criminal about it on Israeli's end. Protection of your own population is paramount to whatever the idiots like you would say. Moving on.
Palestine is very racist. While Israel has multiple of nationalities, races and religions living in its proper (Samaritans, Beduins, Arabs, Druze, Africans who all comprise multi-religious and multi-ethnic fabric of Israeli society), Palestinian Autonomy has publicly executed in the past during the reign of Arafat its Christian citizens in Nablus, and on multiple occasions of request by the Jewish settlers for Palestinian citizenship refused (although vast majority of the Arabs in Palestine trace their ancestry to Egypt, Syria and Saudi Arabia, for example Yassir Arafat himself was born in Cairo).
Now also you proclaim that Israeli treat their non-Jewish as the South African apartheid government used to treat its blacks (or the Afrikaans I think you mean, whatever). So, you are either an uninformed or a lying moron.

Ethnic minorities have full voting rights in Israel and are entitled to government benefits. Israeli Employment (Equal Opportunities) Law, 1988 prohibits discrimination in hiring, working conditions, promotion, professional training or studies, discharge or severance pay and benefits and payments provided for employees in connection with their retirement from employment, because of race, religion, nationality and land of origin, among other reasons.[48] Prohibition of Discrimination in Products, Services and Entry into Places of Entertainment and Public Places Law, forbid those who operate public places or provide services or products to discriminate because of race, religion, nationality,and land of origin, among other reasons.[49]

December 1947 - Small kibbutzim were subjected to attacks - Gvulot, Ben-Shemen, Holon, Safed, Bat Yam and Kfar Yavetz. Sixty-two Jews were murdered by Arabs around Palestine. December 30, 1947 - 39 Jews were killed by Arab rioters at Haifa's oil refinery January 16, 1948 - 35 Jews were killed trying to reach Gush Etzion February 22, 1948 - 44 Jews were murdered in a bombing on Jerusalem's Rehov Ben-Yehuda February 29, 1948 - 23 Jews were killed all across Palestine, eight of them at the Hayotzek iron foundry. January and February 1948 - Rishon Lezion, Yehiam, Mishmar Hayarden, Tirat Zvi, Sde Eliahu, Ein Hanatziv, Magdiel, Mitzpe Hagalil and Ma'anit were all subjected to attacks. Arab attackers also bombedThe Palestine Post April 13, 1948 - 35 Jew were murdered during the Mount Scopus convoy massacre March and April - Assault on Hartuv by 400 Arabs based in the village of Ishwa and an attack on Kfar Darom by members of the Muslim Brotherhood. The Jewish Agency, the Solel Boneh building in Haifa and an Egged bus were bombed. May 15, 1948 - 127 Jews were massacred at Kfar Etzion, after 30 others had died defending the Etzion Bloc.

And here is more but a little after Oslo: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Terrorism/TerrorAttacks.html Oh and you are trying to say that throughout all events Arabs only killed 105 people.
1. You are an ignorant moron. Since September 2000 there has been 1,184 Israelis killed in the Arab terrorist acts. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Terrorism/victims.html.
2. You are a stupid moron for trying to find a moral equivalence of the Arab terror compaign against the Israeli civilians where the peaceful population is deliverately targeted, and Israeli compaign against the Arab terrorists where the militants are targeted and the peaceful population is collateral damage. Nothing criminal about it on Israeli's end. Protection of your own population is paramount to whatever the idiots like you would say. Moving on.
Palestine is very racist. While Israel has multiple of nationalities, races and religions living in its proper (Samaritans, Beduins, Arabs, Druze, Africans who all comprise multi-religious and multi-ethnic fabric of Israeli society), Palestinian Autonomy has publicly executed in the past during the reign of Arafat its Christian citizens in Nablus, and on multiple occasions of request by the Jewish settlers for Palestinian citizenship refused (although vast majority of the Arabs in Palestine trace their ancestry to Egypt, Syria and Saudi Arabia, for example Yassir Arafat himself was born in Cairo).
Now also you proclaim that Israeli treat their non-Jewish as the South African apartheid government used to treat its blacks (or the Afrikaans I think you mean, whatever). So, you are either an uninformed or a lying moron.

Ethnic minorities have full voting rights in Israel and are entitled to government benefits. Israeli Employment (Equal Opportunities) Law, 1988 prohibits discrimination in hiring, working conditions, promotion, professional training or studies, discharge or severance pay and benefits and payments provided for employees in connection with their retirement from employment, because of race, religion, nationality and land of origin, among other reasons.[48] Prohibition of Discrimination in Products, Services and Entry into Places of Entertainment and Public Places Law, forbid those who operate public places or provide services or products to discriminate because of race, religion, nationality,and land of origin, among other reasons.[49]

Truth be told Israel is a state sponsor of terror and it was founded on terrorism.

-Might- want to check how Israel was founded and by whom.

My understanding of the foundation of Israel was that is was begun by the Zionist movement who wanted to return to the homeland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism

the State of Israel was proclaimed by
Ben-Gurion on the 14th May 1948 the day the British mandate expired.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_Independence_(Israel)

The British left due to a Jewish terror campaign also known as the Jewish Revolt.

The Arabs/Palestinians had there own terror campaign as well it's just the Jewish were better at it.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/defense.html

You have a pretty skewed view of the whole situation. For example, Prescott Bush founded the family fortune on working for a company which funneled funds to the S.S. to do Hitler's bidding. And since we're talking about IBM, this is an excellent time to mention that IBM of Germany built and delivered the machines to manage the concentration camps, and actually printed the punch cards as well, but does their level best to deny their part in history. Nonetheless, many racial groups have reason to recall. No, I don't have any Obama hating to do today, don't worry... But to have the head of a dynasty founded by a known Nazi collaborator head the CIA, then become president, then get his son into the office... Well, it should put this whole conversation into perspective.

Hot diggity DAMN I love the internet. It makes it so easy to cite your sources. If articles like these start dropping off these here internets, you'll know to run and not look back.

A lot of what we know about adult stem cells we only know because we learned it first in embryonic stem cells. If this works, it's fruit of the ESC research tree. If you're not okay with ESC research but want treatments from it, you're still going to have to answer some ethical questions for yourself.

Much of that seminal ESC research was animal, not necessarily human.

For another example, much of what we know today about the effects and treatment of hypothermia is taken from Nazi human experimentation (see ref.). These ethical questions surround us -- it's not limited to ESCs.

Poland has an unfortunate history both during and directly after the war, extending into the 60s. The embarassing reaction to the relatively recent release of Jan T Gross's book (hereby incorporated by reference) in which the former Kaczynski, the former Primitive Polish Prime minister even tried to prosecute the author.

It's important to remember that during the war the Poles had much harder situations for rescuing Jews than in most other countries (you risked your entire family going to a concentration camp; elsewhere you risk only yourself and only prison) and many still did. It's also worth remembering that the reason Jews were in Poland was because they were historically treated better there than elsewhere. Poland is much further along coming to terms with and apologizing (though with reservations) for it's former anti-semitism (even Kaczynski has made efforts to return passports to the victims of the 60s) than a number of surrounding countries.

Essentially anyone who tells you that Poles are all good is a Holocaust revisionist. As is anyone who tells you that they are all bad.

In all cases where I referenced Wikipedia, all references in the page references are incorporated by reference as material to read. There; is that enough citations for you?

I have a good idea! Let's rehash the entire thread piece by piece! I'll start:

Or do these not count because they weren't technically in Germany (and also aren't convenient for you)?

Besides, at the time, these camps WERE part of Germany.

Sending some plutonium to Iran is something that numerous loyal Americans could live with. They want nuclear energy. We can give it to them.

But we need to be very careful not to miss, Russia is right next door.

This is the big problem with nuking anywhere. The fallout drifts and will affect friendly countries right next door. One of the reasons we were scared about nuclear weapons based in Cuba is that if we nuked them to stop a launch we would also be nuking ourselves. This is the big problem with weapons that have a blast radius large enough to level a city and cause poisons to rain down over hundreds of miles.

In fact, any attempt to launch nuclear weapons at Iran would probably set off the Russian early warning systems and they would just retaliate before our missiles hit their targets. The really worrying thing is that this would also probably true if Israel launched a nuclear strike on Iran. Since we throw billions of dollars in military aid to Israel a large number of people view us as culpable for their military actions.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/U.S._Assistance_to_Israel1.html

Disclaimer: Both sides want peace, and both sides think terror is the way to get it.

I agree with most of your post, however your disclaimer is patently false.
view what ehud barak offered arafat in exchange for peace, if you don't believe me.
don't rely on propaganda - consider what each side actually did. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Peace/rossmap2.html

I think you seriously underestimate how powerful the pro-Zionism lobby in the US is. AIPAC has frequently been ranked as the most powerful lobbying group in the US.

Considering that the US Jewish population is only about 2%, AIPAC's amount of influence on US politics is very impressive.

It would be good if Slashdot stories provided some perspective.

When stories about small countries are posted, it is useful to know the population. The entire country of Israel has a population like a big city. There are only 7,282,000 people in Israel. There are only 5,499,000 Jews in Israel. There are only about 14,000,000 Jews in the entire world.

Slashdot often runs stories about New Zealand. There are only 4,270,605 people in all of New Zealand, both north and south islands.

There are only 21,382,480 people in Australia.

It would be good if Slashdot stories provided some perspective.

When stories about small countries are posted, it is useful to know the population. The entire country of Israel has a population like a big city. There are only 7,282,000 people in Israel. There are only 5,499,000 Jews in Israel. There are only about 14,000,000 Jews in the entire world.

Slashdot often runs stories about New Zealand. There are only 4,270,605 people in all of New Zealand, both north and south islands.

There are only 21,382,480 people in Australia.

I am curious why misapplication of evolutionary biology on a large scale is forgiveable, leading to hundreds of millions of deaths, but misapplication of Christian dogma leading to a few deaths at worst is something we must, at all costs, root out.

Misapplication of Christian dogma only leading to a few deaths? The Holy Roman Empire massacred thousands of nonbelievers as well as those of Agnostic Christians. Charlemagne, the Frankish King, was the founder of the Holy Roman Empire and he massacred thousands. Then there was the Spanish Inquisition, authorized by the Vatican. Queen Isabella required all Jews and Muslims, mostly Spanish Moors, to either convert to Christianity, leave Spain, or they would be killed. Then there were the campaigns against heathens, pagans, and witches among others.

To say "misapplication of Christian dogma leading to a few deaths at worst" is grossly ignorant or lying about the facts of the Christian Church(s).

Not according to this. Looks like all these "allegations of discrimination" are, in on themselves, antisemitic propaganda coming from Muslim fanatics. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths/mf18.html#a

You must work for Clinton campaign

Actually no, I don't work for the Clinton campaign.

But in any case, not all refugees will choose to return

UNRWA says 4,448,429 refugees.

Israel has a population of 5.4 million Jews and 1.5 million Arabs from http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Society_&_Culture/newpop.html

This page says 80% would opt to return, which means they would be in a majority in a very short time. Arab politicians have called this the 'winning card' that will cause Israel to 'cease to exist'.

http://www.mideastweb.org/refugees1.htm
The refugees have a sincere tie to their land and homes. Many have kept the keys to their houses, houses that no longer exist. Many certainly were evicted unjustly, or left in innocence to protect their families from war and from subjection to unknown alien rule. Most refugees who are still alive were quite young in 1948. Many others are descendants who never saw Palestine. Over 80% of the refugees polled in Lebanon, as well as those polled recently by IPCRI and other organizations in the West Bank and Gaza, insisted that they would want to return to Israel, even though the place where they lived no longer exists, and their fields may be home to a housing project or an office building.

Returning the refugees to Israel would put an end to Jewish self-determination, as noted by Palestinian as well as Israeli sources. The large numbers of refugees, together with the much higher birth-rate of the Arab population as opposed to Jews, would soon create an Arab majority. In a seminar held at Al-Najah University under the auspices of the Palestine National Authority, Sakher Habash noted: ... our principles in "Fateh" has always been to liberate all our Palestinian national land and to set up a democratic state on it. This clearly demonstrates that there has been no room for the 242, 194 and 181 resolutions in our literature. However, we to our surprise, have to begin rethinking them. In our literature, all resolutions which deny the Palestinians their right in their homeland are false and completely rejected. This is a principle each of us abides by until we realize our return, I personally hold that we have to stick to the principle, and at the same time we must attempt to arrive at periodic solutions as a step toward attaining the principle viz. Tactic flexibility versus principle adamancy. This, I believe, is the closest approach to the refugees issue. Fateh stance which should be adhered to in the final solution negotiations calls for abiding by the international resolutions.

To us, the refugees issue is the winning card which means the end of the Israeli state.

Not only the Fatah, but Arab leaders and media have unabashedly admitted that the refugee issue and right of return are being used as a means to destroy Israel. Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser told an interviewer on September 1, 1961: "If the refugees return to Israel, Israel will cease to exist."

A large chunk of refugees are denied citizenship by their host Arab governments. There's a fair chance that these governments would kick them out to Israel if the right of return were allowed. And you don't need a majority to take over the government. Almost all Arab countries are actually run by an minority, anti democratic party. The Mid East web page actually points out that the numbers of refugees have grown much faster than the Palestinian birth rate, partly by marriage to citizens of the host countries who become 'refugees' too. And so do their kids. Arab state media will try to get as many of their people as possible into Israel because that will destroy it.

Basically the Arab leaders and UNRWA have colluded to turn Arab 'refugees', most of whom have never lived in I

Yah, but that one seat comes with a few strings attached:

The Jews also have a representative in parliament who is obligated by law to support Iranian foreign policy and its Anti-Zionist position.

Also, you should mention that one seat out of a total of 290 is little more than a a sham.

Was going to avoid posting, but since you asked for corrections - you are just about right.

Two things:
You are correct about the etymology of "Semitic" in the context of a language group, but because it carries a link to folk history and does carry ethnic implications, the term is somewhat deprecated in terms of linguistics. For example, the term "Hamito-Semitic" has largely been replaced by the "Afro-Asiatic group" - however, everyone (linguists, ANE scholars, etc.) still refers to a Semitic branch and its various regional divisions encompassing North Africa to Iraq. I've never met anyone involved in the actual academic study (i.e. grad students or professors), who really cares - though the actual structure of the branches in the group is something of a debate (see p.14).

Coining "Antisemitismus" was in line with the scientific racism that was popular in the late 19th century, and in some sense appropriate for the new "scientific" aspects to continental European hatred of Jews. The "I like Arabs, so I can't be an anti-Semite" defense is a casuistic canard (google, you'll find it a plenty), and leads to wonderful logical conclusions - say, claiming Hitler wasn't an anti-Semite.

i was going to make a lengthy rebuttal but since this is already flamebait, i'll just post this.

Hey Pink Triangles are already spoken for, damnit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_triangle

I'd dare say gold stars are too: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/images/star-bl u2.gif

Can't say I know of any blue disks so you can have that one. You'll have to figure something else out for the others though.

Because when religion is allowed to overshadow history, inevitably religion is used to harm. Every single Luxembourg law was a propel edict. Every single thing that the Nazis did to Jews were decreed by a Pope as the appropriate thing to do. It was Christians who designed using a star and argued Jews should be tagged. It was Christians who said Jews should be eradicated. This is why Christians were so silent in the war: the Nazis were doing exactly what was said to be correct about the history of the Jews.

This is completely untrue. Maybe you should recheck your facts. While the Pope was wrong in not condemning the atrocities, there is a big difference between not speaking out against and decreeing them "as the appropriate thing to do". The problem that paralyzed the world is that no one could believe that the Germans could really do such a thing. Europeans were supposed to be above all that atrocity stuff, right? They forgot that we are all human and therefore all capable of great evil no matter what our skin color is or where we have come from. No one culture has a monopoly on doing evil.

Antisemitism in so-called Christians comes from an ignorance of both religion and history. Any Christian who knows anything about the Bible realizes that all of the apostles were Jewish as was Jesus Christ himself. Paul, in Romans, speaks of how he would give up his own salvation if it meant that his people (the Jews) could be saved. The Bible, if anything, supports a wholehearted support and love for the Jewish people. People who believe that the Jews should be killed have no place to call themselves Christians. And you have no place to categorically blame Christians for the holocaust. After all, Stalin (an atheist) killed 20 million people in the Soviet Union, but you can't blame all atheists for his actions.

"And as for the UN, US support or no US support"

"The US does not DEFEND Israel."

This is simply false. Egypt had begun blockading Israeli ports (a blockade is widely considered an act of war http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9015678/block ade ) as well as providing considerable material support to paramilitary forces regularly staging attacks into Israel across the Egyptian border, in violation of cease fire agreements. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Histor y/Suez_War.html
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths/ mf5.html

This is simply false. Egypt had begun blockading Israeli ports (a blockade is widely considered an act of war http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9015678/block ade ) as well as providing considerable material support to paramilitary forces regularly staging attacks into Israel across the Egyptian border, in violation of cease fire agreements. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Histor y/Suez_War.html
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths/ mf5.html

french soldiers retreating from the german army or French Jews towards Germany?

Before you wax too poetically on the tolerance of Islam, you might want to read a few history books. See Myths & Facts -- The Treatment of Jews in Arab/Islamic Countries.

You accused Israel of attacking Iraq "first" -- that was not true -- Iraq was the aggressor (since 1948), and I simply pointed that out.

Thank you, conspiracy-theories are abundant in any place on Earth.

It is a long-known phenomenon -- the opressed, who can't do anything about their disadvantages, begin to accept them as normal and fair, blaming those, who don't have them, for "perversion" and violating "natural order" or "God's will" or whatever.

Soon after they left, the local kids -- my age -- discovered me, and got infuriated, that I was allowed to be in the boat (and take off to the river, whenever I pleased), because their camp's policy prohibited anyone under 16 to do that... Before long they began to pelt me with wet sand and I had to retreat from the shore...

Saddam has patently not destroyed the know-how to rebuild WMDs immediately after the sanctions were lifted -- American web-site displaying the captured documents was taken down last night after someone realized, the documents are too detailed for world-view...

Could you give specific examples of intervention that you speak of?

Should we turn our back on a legally founded country because the people who sold or evacuated the land in the hopes of fighting to gain it back say so?

Or are you suggesting that Hezbollah is really the true military wing of Lebanon.

Actually, the hope should not come from proxies or rebels but from the people themselves.

Good plan. Let's see how this works out. I'm betting about as well as it did for the Germans and Japanese, though.

Granted, the US is moderately socialist, however, one segment of society living off another segment of society is ripe for abuse and societal strife.

Lucky you.

In the United States, they call those folks 'Democrats'.

Rather, it won't change anything because the US (you know, that _first_ world dictatorship?) HAS A FUCKING VETO that has ALWAYS been used in favour of Israel. Try looking up some facts before spewing your crap. The latest such veto was two days ago.

The US is already dead set on attacking Iran, this is just the first step. The plan is to provoke a reaction from Iran (or one that they will blame on Iran), and then the US enters in full force. This could happen as soon as within a week or two.

Just to clarify, I catigorize failures of the Vatican, anti-semitism and racial hatred in the failure of religion. To be honest, the Vatican was "surrounded" and did try on some occasions to hide Jews, condemn, and save those comdemned to death.

It's easy from this side of the fence to say they were slugs - but harder to step into their shoes. Good discussion of that here

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holoca ust/markings.html

"The Christian religion is mighty big on ignoring that no killing bit."
That's one of the defining lines between an organization that simply calls itself "Christian" and one that really is. So-called christianity historically has had no qualms about supporting governments and their wars, especially if it also furthered their own aims. The fact that religion is so involved with politics and wars hardly needs to be said. What's more, two world wars were fought mostly among "christian" nations. In Nazi Germany there was only *one* religion that stood up to Hitler and refused to join his armies (or those of the other country for that matter) or give any other kind of support. Because of this about 10,000 of them were rounded up and put into various concentration camps. Some 2,500 of that group were executed there. All camp inmates wore a specific coloured triangle for identification - they wore the purple ones.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holoca ust/markings.html/

Britain reneged on their earlier commitment to Israel-- when they had already reserved the lion's share of the land to Arab peoples in what is now known as Jordan-- and diced up what was left into a nearly indefensible "gerrymander" of plots. All fine and good, until Israel was immediately attacked for daring to declare their independence.

I was almost convinced, the US government (the crusaders) is owned by the Israelis :-)

Only the ill informed and anti-semites believe that. If anything, it's the other way around. We've certainly invested enough to make some claim to ownership.

There is no "double standard" neccessarily -- government ownership of a weapon (such as encryption) is a legitimate concern.

You are 100% right about that. The comparison being made between this and the ports deal is a poor one.

No, not the first time. Just the first time with new tech. You can do just as well with a tattoo needle.