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RFID Injection Required for Datacenter Access
user24 writes "Security focus reports that RFID injections are now required for access to the datacenter of a Cincinnati company. From the article 'In the past, employees accessed the room with an RFID tag which hung from their keychains, however under the new regulations an implantable, glass encapsulated RFID tag from VeriChip must be injected into the bicep to gain access ... although the company does not require the microchips be implanted to maintain employment.'"
...and the Comrades marched rank and file into their working facility, while the Big Brother telescreen carefully scanned each implanted chip...
Is this the first time civilians have been required to do thing type of thing? I guess its no longer science fiction.
ompany requires RFID injection
Published: 2006-02-10
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Two employees have been injected with RFID chips this week as part of a new requirement to access their company's datacenter.
Cincinnati based surveillance company CityWatcher.com created the policy with the hopes of increasing security in the datacenter where video surveillance tapes are stored. In the past, employees accessed the room with an RFID tag which hung from their keychains, however under the new regulations an implantable, glass encapsulated RFID tag from VeriChip must be injected into the bicep to gain access, a release from spychips.com said on Thursday.
Although the company does not require the microchips be implanted to maintain employment, anyone without one will not be able to access the datacenter, according to a Register article.
Ironically, the extra security sought may be offset by a recent discovery of Jonathan Westhues, where the security researcher showed the VeriChip can be skimmed and cloned, duplicating an implant's authentication. When contacted, those at CityWatcher were unaware of the chip's security issue, according to the spychips.com release.
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You guys needa start looking at yoru own stories, because I swear I read this yesterday.
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And then there is the whole magic marker circumvention method that is soon to be discovered (possibly within this thread).
Oh wait...
FTA: Ironically, the extra security sought may be offset by a recent discovery of Jonathan Westhues, where the security researcher showed the VeriChip can be skimmed and cloned, duplicating an implant's authentication.
Yeah... I can't wait for the Diebold spin on this story.
The dangers of knowledge trigger emotional distress in human beings.
Back in the good old days, we used to just use duct tape and superglue to keep people from messing with our machines! (And I guess OpenBSD doesn't hurt either... ;-)
Creative misinterpretation is your friend.
Aw, hell no.
At least, it doesn't need to be cut out to be used by a sufficiently motivated attacker.
Ironically, the extra security sought may be offset by a recent discovery of Jonathan Westhues, where the security researcher showed the VeriChip can be skimmed and cloned, duplicating an implant's authentication. When contacted, those at CityWatcher were unaware of the chip's security issue, according to the spychips.com release.
hahaha! Now implanting RFID tags is somewhat scary. How do you get it out without taking out a chunk of your biceps?
Mmmm-hmmm...
They won't require you to implant the chip to keep your job. But how long can you keep your job if you can't access the datacenter?
...Also, I didn't know Buggalo could fly.
Isn't this illegal? I was under the impression that forced surgery as a requirement for employment was against OSHA. Maybe I'm wrong. Altho, if you're in a right-to-work state, I can't see why they can't force this on workers. If you agree to it in a contract, well, you had your opportunity to decide against it.
At the same time, where does this take us? More importantly, what new kinds of abuse will this bring about? I'm a bit spooked.
Cincinnati.
Isn't this what the Christians have been saying was going to happen for the past 20 years now? Of course, it's not the governing that's forcing the chips on people, but it's only a matter of time.
It might actually double the victim's bicep circumference.
This is just one private company making an internal policy change. If it was a government doing it there would be cause to worry.
Kevin Warwick used an implantable RFID chip as an example of early transhumanist technology. I'm sure a lot of Slashdot eagerly awaits transhumanism.
Unless and until the pointy hair managers can guarantee that the RFID tag that they force me to implant in my body will never be used for purposes other than those which I agree to, I will refuse to succumb to their idioitic desires for control of my body.
Before you ask, any company those does this to its employees, is a company I would never even consider working for.
The story reads that it's not required to maintain employment. But, then again, most jobs in the US are "at will" anyway...
"Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" - Glen Beck
But now they want to chip us like dogs too?
What's next, kibble in the break room vending machines?
I'm not understanding the point here. If you inject the RFID chip, you can theoretically track your users wherever they go. But you can't ensure that access isn't being granted to someone who has an RFID chip in their wallet. You are making it slightly harder to steal the data, but you're not making it any harder to clone the chip.
What's the security benefit to injected RFID?
BTW, this is the original article.
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Could someone object on the basis of religious discrimination if they believe that RFID implants constitute the "Mark of the Beast"?
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So much for Evil Guy yanking out an eye or cutting off a hand so that he can fake access. Now he has to take the whole arm...
Seriously, if he wants in that bad I'd rather he just beat me up and take my keys.
Moderating "-1, Disagree" is simple censorship. Have the guts to post your opinion.
I'm just surprised it's being used sooner for a data center, rather than a requirement to receive government tax refunds and social services, or own property.
I guess we'll just have to wait a few months...
If not, you're likely to be tracked not just by your employer but by anyone else with an RFID scanner. There really ought to be an activator button or device that needs to be pressed or broadcasting to make such a device safe for the implanted.
uh, dude.
This is slashdot. Average bicep here is only 6" in circumference.
I am assuming minimal bicep could be removed to get to the bone, let alone RFID chip.
As a side effect, leave the RFID implant as a cosmetic augmentation.
Hey, can they implant these in 'other' regions?
Working for such anal retentive boneheads has gotta suck anyways. Refuse to be owned by the man. Fuck em and quit.
This will only last about as long as the Sony rootkit-like DRM lasted. It now has public attention, and when it is pointed out that the scheme has enough security holes in it to act as a noodle strainer, the number of people who will actually allow the implant will be zero, meaning there will be no one to do any maintenance in the datacenter, and thus the rules will have to be changed.
For less than they paid for the RFID system, they could have hired someone to log people in and out of the data center. Additionally, I question the validity of a system that restricts access to only those with an implant during disaster situations (fire, flood, and worse) where access rights and needs are rather different than in normal situations.
Good security costs a lot of money, and you cannot replace the human element in the security chain. The RFID schemes won't prevent anyone following an authorized person into the data center, unless there is physical restrictions that would make working in the data center dangerous during emergencies. In this case, the $10/hour guard is more flexible and cheaper than the high-tech answer, and more respectful of humans in general... or at least I think so
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To me this sounds more like a marketing ploy. So that they could go to potential clients and say, "Look we are so secure and futuristic that we need embedded chips in humans to access our critical datacenter!". Client is left stunned.
IANA American, but I hope that the goverment would do something if this was forced on the employees working in the datacenter. After all, what can this achieve which cannot be done with a retinal scan, RFID tag combo? If the criminal can pass the retinal scan, can't he also pluck the RFID from the employee and stick into his arm?
Huh..... I would hate it if someone said they are gonna put a chip inside my body. Wait till someone gets hurt and the company gets sued for a million dollars.
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The joke's on them. Geeks don't HAVE biceps.
" must be injected into the bicep"
I think most slashdotters will have a problem there.
The war with islam is a war on the beast
The war on terror is a war for peace
Why the bicep? Wouldn't it be easier to put it elsewhere?
Fsck you, your mother and your little dog too.
...the "injection" required to gain access while in prison.
Resistence is futile, prepare to be assimilated...
What is next? Embedded computers that control and monitor where we go and what we do?
This may sound like paranoia but the problem with these type of changes is that they are so gradual that we don't realize what we have lost till its too late.
Step 1: Do something that most people find offensive.
Step 2: Require Step 1.
Someone hates these cans.
This is just one private company making an internal policy change. If it was a government doing it there would be cause to worry.
Yeah!! No government would ever dream of hurting us!
The dangers of knowledge trigger emotional distress in human beings.
I'd be interested in seeing the business case for moving forward with something like this. Seems like there would be more cost-effective alternatives, expecially since this is essentially "unproven" technology when it comes to physical security.
I'm just speculating, but this sounds like a decision that was made at the executive level rather than a decision made by a security professional.
Did the clever management at CityWatcher.com think of the posibility that someone would kill one of their employees to get the RFID? If there's a will, there's a way.
I wonder why the company doesn't use a biometric entry system that uses fingerprints or retinal scans for security? People are less likely to object to thumbprint scan than minor surgery. And it's probably more secure, given that RFID can be cloned.
You'll probably find that the average bicep here has an 18 inch circumference and very little muscle. Slashdotters also have man breasts, which they sometimes attempt to titty fuck. Back injuries usually result.
If you are your own boss YOU get to decide if you need to be RFID'd in the bicep before entering your datacenter/living-room/home-office.
TAKE THAT pointy-haired-bosses!
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
No, I meant with RFIDs.
It now has public attention
I don't think we can call this public attention. Seriously, if our attention actually mattered in changing any policy, don't you think Microsoft would have been extinct by now and that DRM and other things like [insert what Slashdot users think is evil here] would be under public scrutiny? The cliched Joe Sixpack will probably never hear of this; heck, I don't think Joe Sixpack knows what RFID is.
That was supposed to read, FTA: Ironically, the extra security sought may be offset by a recent discovery of Captain Obvious, where the security researcher showed the VeriChip can be skimmed and cloned, duplicating an implant's authentication.
Seriously, which genius thought putting a remotely readable barcode in an employees arm was ever going to be secure? Must the IT world really repeat the mistakes of the 80's garage door opener industry??
Forget thrust, drag, lift and weight. Airplanes fly because of money.
Soon the total comments on this Slashdot article will read "666 of Total#". Too conincidental. We have a problem!
In Soviet Russia, RFID chips employ YOU!
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
I'm not a religious nut, but injected RFID? That's scary!
How ya like dat?
But my hat only works on my head!
Curse you!
Do you see what I did there?
won't be removable/destroyable.
It's probably another step towards the Mark, but that's going to happen in God's timing whether we cry "ahhhh this technology resembles what the Mark may be like" or not.
It's not the technology that's evil, people, it's that the Mark will show you are allied with God's enemy.
We all know that this won't increase security, but now this surveillance company can use this in all their advertising and PR. "Sure, you can go with the other company but they arent half as serious as we are. We put bloody implants into our employess! That's serious!"
Its harmless except for Joe and Jane Datacenter who have to go in for some minor surgery on the weekend to keep their jobs. I hope this "Golden Casino" mentality stops right here after these people get exposed for the dumbasses that they are. Hell, even in the article they did not know the weaknesses of RFID authentication.
I woulndt doubt if this was 100% publicity stunt. I wonder how many people even have to access the datacenter. Depending on the company size it could just be one or two people. Of course all the executives, security, etc will have the old keycards that will work just fine.
Now we'll all need tin-foil T-shirts.
So I cut the damn thing out while torturing the pin codes out of them. Sheesh morons.
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I made these RFID chips for this company. They move to your brain, and then take control of your mind. They'll allow Microsoft to enslave us all. This company is doing this because Darth Gates has offered to spare the CEOs in exchange for it.
Stupidity is like nuclear power, it can be used for good or evil. And you don't want to get any on you.
And _I_ don't want a dog running my banks data-center.
"if Godwin's Law is cited in response to a Nazi/Hitler reference, the thread should be considered to be automatically over"
fuck that! Seriously, I'd be off to a new job in a heartbeat. Granted I don't work with IT though so I wouldn't care.
Gone!
We're all slaves.
What if they would require an MRI later in life?
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According to this article, http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1756587,00.a
removal is minor surgery which to me means scar tissue.
So next, you quit or get fired, you have this invasive RFID chip in your person and your next company requires the same BS implant.
Does one keep accumulating RFID's or scar tissue?
What's wrong with retinal scans?
if you steal from one source, that is plagiarism, if you steal from many, well, that's just research.
Cthulu doesn't like implanted chips either...
What if the glass breaks while its in your body? Even though the particals would be really small they might be able to go into the blood stream if they are near enough to a vain.
I was just enjoying the thought of mooning them every day.
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What about Excell?
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
In case anybody didn't check, this is a company that sells security cameras that can be remotely monitored over the Internet for cities who want to keep a close eye on their residents...
"(I admit it's not very catchy.)"
I dunno... I think it's got a great beat and you can dance to it. I give it an 84!
What if police, firemen, ambulance, etc. need to get in? Bash the door down with an axe?
Ironically, the extra security sought may be offset by a recent discovery of Jonathan Westhues, where the security researcher showed the VeriChip can be skimmed and cloned, duplicating an implant's authentication. When contacted, those at CityWatcher were unaware of the chip's security issue, according to the spychips.com release.
So before I needed to get close to an object (whatever had the rfid tag) which under normal circumstances an employee would not be carried around (say they were going home or something) or could have it in a reader blocking case. Now, I simply need to get close to an employ anywhere at any time to copy their data.
Fucking brilliant, now I can steal their tag without anyone ever knowing, whereas before they'd know it was gone in a reasonable amount of time (I'd have to steal the physical object most likely).
This is way over the line and a dangerous precedent. The employees at this company must refuse and they must take this to court. If they acquiesce, it will establish a precedent and other companies will see that people are willing to allow corporations to do this shit and it will spread. Once it's common in corporate security environments, the government will start requiring it. This is bad news. The company doesn't own my body. They can stick the tag up their ass.
"The world is a construct of forceful imagination. Those who don't know walk around in the reailties of those who do"
It's a video surveillance company. You work in the data center, you become Big Brother.
As we know it!
I feel fine.
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Many years ago I found myself in a turf war with the 'operators' who looked after our mainframe .... in their view system programmers weren't allowed to touch the hardware ... anyway as a response we instituted a physical penetration analysis of the machine room .... the number of different ways in we found was in the mid teens - some involved children (or small adults) climbing thru ducts or thru the windows we gave people their printouts through, others involved finding ways in under the false floor (there were several) - but the one that took the cake was when we noticed that all the hinges on each and every door to the room was on the outside ... anyone could show up at any time and steal the doors
Assuming the chips and readers are compatible, you could easilly use an existing chip with your next employer. If not, well I would sure hate to be a consultant or temp. This technology really doesn't seem that it will be any more capable of allowing an employer to monitor employees than a current RFID badge or key card is. The biggest advantage is probably that the employee no longer has to worry about leaving their keys somewhere and being locked out. I suppose it would make physical theft of badges a bit more noticeable, and detection of an intrusion or potential intrusion seems to be the main benefit of any physical security system I have seen. Even an unpickable lock wouldn't prevent someone from cutting a hole in a wall to gain access, but that leaves a pretty big indicator that security was breached. On the downside, a duplicated RFID chip would be more difficult to notice than on a badge as the person trying to break in would have to also duplicate the badge to a decent extent if there is a chance that someone else will see them using it. while an implanted RFID chip wouldn't actually even have to be implanted as the location of the implant is covered with clothing in most situations where this chip would be required.
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It's the gradual change that scares me. First it starts with things that people can justify easily until it seems like a normal part of life then how can you object to something so harmless. Besides it's for our own good. How long will it be before you need an implanted chip to use a fire arm? They are already pushing for chip activated pistols that would need a ring or wristband to be used. Next step would be implants. Who could object? How long before drivers licenses require inplant chips? No time soon but eventually. Indentity thieft may make people even demand it. Remember driving isn't a right. You want to do it you abide by the rules. How about credit cards? Banks loosing money to thieft may start pushing for chips to combat thieves. You want a credit card you get a chip. May be not for fifty years but I think such things are the future. DNA identity systems may make the credit card version unnessaccary but then we are constantly having our DNA checked. A job can require DNA scanners for identification but what is to stop the same machines from checking for genetic desease? Suddenly to keep health costs down companies start laying off high risk employees. All such systems are dangerous and will be abused. The real reason is never for your benefit and in the end will take away our rights.
My first thought after RTFA (well, second after "not only no, but hell no") was that the two poor suckers who allowed the implants before the story was written will become the company go-fers.
"Hey, dude. I can't get into the data center. Go get this tape for me."
Now, instead of steaing a badge and learning some codes, a person will have to kidnap an employee and "remove" their arm... or just dig the impant out with a knife.
Yep.
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My first thought was, what happens if I'm in an accident that produces a crushing trauma on the glass implant? How big is it, and how big will be the glass shards in my bloodstream?
Second - NO medical procedure is without risk - if you break the skin, you're breaching the body's number one immune system defense.
Any form of encryption/DRM/security numbering scheme has a shelf life - as technology gets faster, mathematicians get smarter, etc, even if the hack that the article mentions is defeated, another hack will be only a matter of time...what's the average lifespan of DRM on music? About a week or a day? A few hours?
You wanna stick a security number in my body? I'll do it for you...
Tell me the number, I'll stick it in my brain. I'll use my digital output devices (hands) to type it in to a keypad every time I need it.
And if it gets hacked, you can give me a new one to install. No problem.
Pavlov wouldn't be so famous if he'd used a can opener instead of a bell.
Now people are required to inject glass capsules into their arms to enter a facility?
Now we know asbestos kills.
What will be said of placing RFID tags into our bodies 50 years from now.
Some risks are worth taking, there is no question. For me, this is not one of them.
Obviously don't want geeks. No self respecting geek would have biceps!
Engineering is the art of compromise.
Link to article with more detail and a pic
Until this point, the use of the word "hack" in reference to breaking into a computer system was strictly an abstract concept. "Hack" is not something one could be imagined doing with a pringles can. A machete however...
I want to know who's house to burn to the ground as thanks when my employer tries to have me "chipped" in a few years.
If they need implant these thingies in your bicep, how exactly do they get these thingies out?
Personally, I like the Total Recall exit-the-nose method. Just not sure how it would end up in the nose.
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RFID, SHMAR FID.
I just keep the keycode to our server room door pinned in the business side of my skivvies. Believe me, *nobody* wants to confront that security challenge.
Diplomacy is the art of saying "nice doggy" until you can find a rock.
To say nothing of employee's arms being taken and used to gain access. Just need to have a large plastic bags to put the body part in to keep it from leaking all over the hacker.
Who needs the arm? If the contents of the data center are really that valuable then some bad guy will just shoot the guy with the chip and pry the chip out with a knife. They don't need to carry the arm around.
All the chip does is increase the risk to the employee's safety. Where previously you could beat him up and take his card/wallet, now they need to pry the chip out of his arm, which is probably most easily done when he's unconscious or dead.
At least a disgruntled employee can burn the entire data center down without an implanted RFID chip...
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I'd think it's time for a NEW JOB! There's security... and there's stupidity... and that place has firmly reached stupidity.
Not the end yet, but were getting there. Take a look at Rev. 13 11-18 11Then I saw another beast rising out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb and it spoke like a dragon. 12It exercises all the authority of the first beast in its presence,[c] and makes the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose mortal wound was healed. 13It performs great signs, even making fire come down from heaven to earth in front of people, 14and by the signs that it is allowed to work in the presence of[d] the beast it deceives those who dwell on earth, telling them to make an image for the beast that was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15And it was allowed to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast might even speak and might cause those who would not worship the image of the beast to be slain. 16Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave,[e] to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, 17so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name. 18This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666. rs
You people, follow the stupid links. /. sotry => Register article => CASPIAN homepage => Spychips.com
has anyone ever heards of these websites? Furthermore, if one were to actually look at the original article, one would see that it consists of nothing but heresay. There are no links to press releases from citywatcher.com about this new policy, for example. There are no interviews with the people whow ere actually "injected" with RFID chips. All that the original article talks about is simply some network admin who claims his company has implemented this new policy. What utter crap.
This is no different then using biometrics to secure the door, and there is a huge flaw in that. If a group of people attack an installation that uses biometrics (or in this case RFID), all this means is that they attack/kill/capture a guard/other who has access to the area and uses their handprint, eyes, or in this case arm with the RFID chip to open the door. The same will go for key cards, the tactics change very little, the armed group finds and kills the first guard they can find and if they can do so without that guard getting out an alarm, they will usually have at least several minutes before their presence will even be known.
We were all warned a long time ago that MS products sucked, remember the Magic 8 Ball said, "Outlook not so good"
This is going to be one of those LF tags, not the 900 MHz passive tags more commonly used, because fluids block those pretty well. Those LF tags are used to track livestock and help figure out who a lost pet belongs to. Reliability there is pretty decent, although livestock dosen't get exposed to the same EMR we humans get.
I doubt this is really workable.
It's pathetic that when something like this is foist upon people, I read whiney comments like "but couldn't I object on religious reasons?" Fuck that! Here's how its done: You stand up and you say "NO I WILL NOT!". Yes, you could lose your job. Yes, you like your job, as it pays for your geeky bloody ipod and other whatnot. Yes, it pays for the roof over your head. But consider this: (yes, american-centric example, deal with it) What if the founding fathers said "but can't we object to the tax on blah blah reasons? I don't want to lose the revenue... or that tea... it might make our lives difficult!" They stood up and said NO MORE! and that is what you better start doing before you become any more of a slave than you already are! And before you even start with the "but they were wealthy and became presidents and blah blah" you better read your history. Most of the signers of the declaration of independence lost their fortunes, homes, business, jobs, friends, and most of them lost family members. Sometimes you have to pay the price to stay free!
Paranoid? Not until you do all of your computing inside a Faraday cage. Until then, you're just a TEMPEST in a teapot.
Carthago delenda est!
It's not really a security threat: after the employee leaves the company, or if you suspect he's been "compromised," just pop him in the walk-in microwave in the canteen for a minute or so to disable the chip. As a bonus, you might just scramble his neurons so he can't walk away with trade secrets.
I've seen some press releases about the company that develops this VeriChip product including this weird one about how the implantable chip was used tag corpses after the gulf hurricanes. This kind of medical identification I can understand, but to allow yourself (as a living human) to have this injected into yourself? Are people that desperate to keep jobs in America?
VeriChip has been cracked. That's only because it didn't use cryptography. JHU researchers have cracked the Exxon Mobil Speedpass [research link] cryptographic RFID devices using brute force. It took 15 mintes per key, but this required 16 $200 FPGAs ($3200) working in parallel.
Ignoring the time taken to reverse engineer the protocol, it also requires extra equipment to do the analysis for the actual reverse engineering. To my knowledge, no code has been published publically.
At this point in time, it seems that cryptographic RFID devices, despite being cryptographically weak, are pretty secure from a practical standpoint due to a level of sophistication require to execute attacks currently.
Plus I must wonder a) how close you have to be to read/activate VeriChip devices and b) if the readers are inside of a faraday cage when they enter the facility. At the very least, this will remove the possiblity of using lost keys or ones that were left lying around unattended.
Wearing tinfoil cufflinks
http://www.morerfid.com/details.php?subdetail=Repo rt&action=details&report_id=1237&display=RFID
http://www.sixsigmasecurity.us/wst_page4.html
need I say anymore
It's called journalism, people.
The Spychips book http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1595550208/sr=8-1 /qid=1139498540/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-5929623-2290305?_ encoding=UTF8/ references a patent application for a deep organ implant complete with an electric cattle prod device and a microphone. The inventor talks about using them on "corporate campuses."
Resume:
Other information: Team player, mindless suck up, pre-chipped (VeriChip and deep organ)
Dood, jeez my kneez. While you may have some valid points there, is there something I can do or something I can give you to help you calm down? I'm afraid that you are going to pop that aneurism, and that's just a mess here that I don't want to help clean up.
Wait, What?
- record the signal that activates the chip.
- Drug one of the guys and drag him in a secluded room somewhere, or incomapasitate him in some means.
- Play that signal back and record what his chip respons with.
- Play that signal back to the machine when it sends its signal that you recorded in the first place.
Viola, access granted.Or a nice EMP, which wouldn't be too hard for things this small, and just disable all those chips and be a real pain in the arse?
I think you're confused.
Glass IS an insulator.... but entirely different than asbestos. It is used to REPLACE asbestos.
Maybe it's the imperfection of the devil or the imperfection of god ;) ..
.. I am reading slashdot .. instead of sleeping .. ugh ..
Don't tell me everything is running candy-dandy uh
although, why do you need to look closely to it?
If people see a sign in it will be related with a certain feeling (superstitious) a sign is just a sign; even if you look from closely - it represents what you like it to represent... If I don't like a certain sign because of my believe or feeling on my body, I pretty please like to keep that decision on me.
It's 8am
--- I am known for the ones who want to find me on the net. Is that a privacy risk or a privilege? One might wonder..
All you need is some innocent bystander standing in front of the building entrance with a distrupter. Better yet, some automated device... Now that would give new meaning to a 'DoS' attack.
Imagine that--"Honey I could go to work today cause I couldn't get in..." Not good business-wise.
Are they intending to chip the janitorial staff as well? What about management, security, etc? Do they get chipped as well?
"I'm not impatient. I just hate waiting." - My Dad
It would seem as if they have a feedback page. Let's tell this great company what we think of them, guys!!!t .asp
http://citywatcher.com/cwpage.asp?pagename=contac
Sorry for the all caps, but I thought everone would want to leave the company doing this a nice 'thank you' letter for helping destroy society. Here is the address to their feeback page. Feel sorry for the low-paid worker that has to sift through this. Though, if we send enough, someone with a tie and bloated salary may get wind of it, at least.
t .asp
http://citywatcher.com/cwpage.asp?pagename=contac
If the company abuses it and it becomes a privacy concern, hey... I have a pocket knife.
From Revelations 13:16
He also forced everyone, small nad great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.
While it might be possible to call an rfid chip a "number", this thing is installed in the calf. So I wouldn't exaclty call this the mark of the beast
The McVeigh Posterior Postulate
"Sit here for entry scan"
You had Poached Eggs for breakfast.
You spend too much time in the bathroom.
You get too many hard-ons.
Etc.
Charlie's Magic
I am not confused.
My reference to asbestos, once used as insulation in homes/buildings, was to note the now well known effects of cancer caused by asbestos.
Perhaps in light of this information, my previous post will seem more complete.
In a new development, the company is now also requiring that the employees wear tinfoil pants when they are NOT in their workplace. This is required to secure the implant chips from unauthorized access. Some of the less geeky geeks are complaining that this seriously interferes with their sexlife. The company however claims that they would not hire such unqualified people in the first place, and having a sex life or a high level of personal hygiene that would prevent the person from wearing tinfoil pants at all non-work ours, would mean that their employment would need to be reconsidered. Access to unsecured non-tinfoiled biceps will not be allowed in the company.
This is either a hoax, or this company's general counsel got his law degree from a mail-order vendor.
For the record, the appropriate response to a requirement of this kind is to walk out, make a picket sign, and call every reporter in your town. For good measure, see how many of the "mark of the beast" believers you can get to show up.
If that doesn't shame them into giving up this asinine idea, sue for emotional distress.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
Their website says:
Social Mission
To operate the company in a way that actively recognizes the central role that business plays in society by initiating innovative ways to improve the quality of life locally, nationally and internationally, in all communities we serve.
Central to the mission of CityWatcher.com is the belief that all three parts must thrive equally in a manner that commands deep respect for individuals in and outside the company and supports the community.
Sorry, but chipping your employees the same way you do to a pet or your livestock just doesn't gybe with "respect for individuals".
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
You can thank IBM for some public awareness of RFID systems from their new series of Helpdesk commericial advertisements.
You know the one, with the desk in the middle of the road that stops a truck, "The Boxes told me you were lost!", blah, blah...
That's sufficiently creepy that more than one non-techie friend commented to me about it, with the general attitude of "Hmmm, I didn't know they could do that. Chalk up another one for Big Brother."
So, thank IBM for the public awareness campaign, and for having put it in a (no doubt unintentionally) scary way.
-- You are in a maze of little, twisty passages, all different... --
The article says that only 2 employees have been chipped. What about management? The VP and his tour of VIPs that want to see the datacenter? The guys with the guns that keep out the people who don't have the implants? The giant killer robots sent to penetrate the datacenter? I don't for a minute believe that only two people have access, it's too easy for both those people to be unavailable when the company needs to get someone inside.
All ideas^H^H^H^H^Hprocesses in this post are Patent Pending. (as well as the process of patenting all postings)
I sure hope this compnay has talked to its lawyers. What if the things gives you bad unknown side effects, either physiological or psycological? I almost hope the two people who have had the implants fall seriously ill.
What if the side effects show up years after you have left the company's employ?
Shaheed
Each person who agrees to this reinforces it and causes the pressure on the rest of us to do the same to increase. People have a moral obligation to refuse to do this stuff because when they don't they drag the rest of us that much closer to slavery right along with them. Seriously people, say "no" now when all you stand to lose is your job.
If most of the employers in a town suck, you can do quite well by being the one place that doesn't. Grab the 20-percenters from every other IT outfit in town.
I did a bunch of interviews to pick out a developer for a customer of mine in Denver once. We weren't offering a whole lot of money, but just the fact that we were doing something moderately interesting attracted an amazing level of quality among the applicants I saw.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
I should think that infringements are a problem in and of themselves and not dependent on the entity doing the infringement, whether government, company, school, individual or religion.
I went to their web site and many time they repeat the word "secure". Now granted this could be marketing bunk destined to pointy haired boss, but a passive RFID tag without private key cannot be qualified as secure even remotely. So I will stand on a leg and state that the GP is wrong and the Parent post is right, you cannot so easily copy the tag.
p eople purport is short. For me 1 foot is short. With 5 meters/15 feet readability, then you can REALLY immagine implementing a reader everywhere and fully track a population (in a firm/company/city/country).
Veri Chip
Veri Guard Brochure
What is quite frightening is that they purport on site tracking up to 15 foot (5 meter!). This is WAAAY beyond the distance the RFID-CHip-are-ok-sleep-safely-it-won't-be-abused-
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Activists have pointed out another detail that raises a question. What if the employee needs an MRI? The implant is not necessarily unsafe but the directions do say not to put it in an MRI unless the patient is conscious to report burning or "unusual sensations". Any doctors want to comment on how often you do MRI's on unconscious people? Is it not a problem in practice?
If they make those rfids small enough you'll sprout extensions in no time!
A: How would you like to have 158 grains of lead implanted in your skull?
Mea navis aericumbens anguillis abundat
Ah, the physical/martial geek speaketh. Please, tell me all about swords and chokeholds and 1RMs. I'll just be resting my eyes.
... could not even begin to compare to the pain I've just experienced by reading your horribly mangled post. You deserve worse.
Implanting people like this is not really sustainable. There are the practical difficulties of sticking things in and out of people plus for many it will just be a flat-out perpetual refusal, job or no job.
But then when a "much more reasonable" alternative is presented, for example palm-vein biometric scan, then they hope people will go "oh great, tht's much better than having something stuck in my arm, yes sirr I'll enroll for that."
Plus the short-term publicity for the datacenter company.
"Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace." V.Stone, Microsoft Corporation
I doubt the chip would be reusable employer to employer just like current badges are incompatible say between ADP and the CDC. If the chip would be the employee's SSN, that would be the next dumbest thing aside from being an implant.
I imagine that upon termination, the employer would ask the employee into a room, strap them down, say "this won't hurt a bit", and pull out a Matrix type contraption for extracting bugs, and yank away.
However, a reusable RFID number does make the most sense. The MRI is the scary part.
if you steal from one source, that is plagiarism, if you steal from many, well, that's just research.
if these things every did leed to some kind of "problem" in the subject.. And not just a simple "dam, these things give you cancer" type problem, but things like (as has been sugested), "the bastard cut my arm of because i couldnt give him my tag"
My god i'd not want to be on the wrong end of that lawsuit...
You must be new here. Welcome to Slashdot; no-one reads the story
Yes, but that's only a forced permenant identification as belonging to a certain group. I'd imagine the implanted RFID is unique to each employee. It seems much more like being branded/tatooed... only with your name and list of criminal offences burnt/inked into your skin as well.
And just wait until they start setting off the anti-theft detectors in every store they visit
--- As to make my comment seem, by comparison, more intelegent... doodie doodie doodie poop poop poop!
The two phrases most often overheard in that datacenter:
You're a chip off the old block.
You must have a chip on your shoulder.
Dan East
Better known as 318230.
In Soviet Russia, Big Brother is YOU!
Management just finds a chipped employee and drags him up by the scruff, the slams him up to the reader.
-- I have fans? Wow.
...on my 'data centre'. The current one would break to a moderately-forceful kick, and the partition walls are so thin you could probably push a finger through one of them anyway. Ah, the joys of working in the small business sector...
"If he were a plant, people would roll him up and smoke him."
Well, if Joe Sixpack has bought a new car within the past five years, he will. Maybe he won't know it as RFID per se, but he'll know that his car key is "chipped", and getting a duplicate costs $80 instead of $1.50.
And if Mr. Sixpack is a Wal*Mart employee, like 1.3 million other Americans, he'll even know RFID by name; it's used on pallets as inventory control.
Eventually, RFID will become as ubiquitous as bar codes.
k.
"In spite of everything, I still believe that people are really good at heart." - Anne Frank
Is this the first time civilians have been required to do thing type of thing?
This may not be exactly the same thing, but it's somewhat of a precedent: A few years ago, after a mammogram, my wife had a biopsy to check out something "suspicious". It turned out to be nothing important, though.
Some time later, she had another x-ray at a different place, and she saw that the image had a visible object at the site of the biopsy. She was told that it was a small piece of plastic left behind during the biopsy procedure, and that this was a fairly common thing. Sort of a "We were here" tag.
Whether it's an RFID chip we don't know. But at least some medical people are already implanting small "innocuous" things without mentioning it to the patient. And there have been stories of medical uses of RFID chips to help avoid the common problem of misidentifying a patient.
It's easy to put such things together. If you've had any "penetrative" medical work done in the past few years, there's a good chance that you're carrying an RFID chip now.
Those who do study history are doomed to stand helplessly by while everyone else repeats it.
Something simillar to this was already done over a year ago at a club for example [cnn.com]. Old news
Can you imagine trying to tell the employees
"We've got Good News and Bad News. The Bad news is that we got 10% off from another vendor if we agree to switch to their new iris verifier. The good news is that we're going to cover 50% of the cost of having a surgeon remove the old implant, and that very few of you will have permanent damage"
Unless they're paying a fortune (maybe 10x-20x the going rate) for salaries, I can't imagine any self-respecting geek allowing personal hardware modification (chip implant) at the request of an employer. Personally, I'd tell them to talk to my lawyer, and if that cost me data-center access or my job, I'd tell them to talk to my lawyer again.
Some religions prohibit body-modifications so it should make a facinating test case.
Yeah, it's spelled biceps in the plural and the singular: one bicpes, two biceps...
can't comment... too busy laughing
Personally, I'd tell them to kiss my fat butt. They could implant an RFID chip in my arm when they pry the empty Sig/Sauer P229 out of my cold, dead hands.
That's our life, the big wheel of shit. - The Fat Man, Blue Tango Salvage
What's about the price of the RFID chip and the human intervention ? I think that it must be really expensive.. Isn't the biometry safer for a lower price ?
Although the cited article states that the devices are implanted in the biceps, the original press release says that it is in the triceps. Also, the company web site describes the implantation as "just under the skin" (subcutaneously, i.e."sub-Q") rather than in the muscle (intramuscularly, i.e. "IM"). Triceps would make more sense if you need to get close to a wall-mounted reader. Sub-Q location would also be less painful and less dangerous, e.g. in case of infection. Just to show one can be just as geeky about wetware issues. For /.-ers not up on their anatomy, see the wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triceps
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biceps_brachii
My reference to asbestos ... was to note the now well known effects of cancer caused by asbestos.
;-)
Actually, this has been pretty well understood since at least the 1930's. There are papers on the asbestos-cancer link in major medical journals back then. Google found them for me with a single try. (Homework problem: Guess the keywords.
The use of asbestos in construction for half a century afterwards is one of the many textbook examples of why we need government regulation of industry. A lot of corporate management is quite willing to endanger their employees' and customers' lives for a small per-sale profit. Despite the knowledge of asbestos's dangers, many companies only stopped using it when threatened with serious criminal penalties.
Those who do study history are doomed to stand helplessly by while everyone else repeats it.
I know personally i wouldnt stick around. even if i didnt need access to the datacenter.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Implanted? It wasn't mandatory. But if one has, what about that RFID-zapper? Use it near the affected person's arm and voila.
What will be said of placing RFID tags into our bodies 50 years from now.
My Personal and Happy Thought Modifier does not allow me to anwer that. Furthermore My Personal and Perky Surveillance Monitor have reported you, please proceed to the nearest My Personal and Fantastic Behavior Modifier booth for reeducation.
Carbon based humanoid in training.
Your link not withstanding (the image has no background), when I travelled in Germany (in 1978, admittedly a long time ago), I saw "Arbeit Macht Frei" in the camp gate at Dachau. (I didn't go to Auschwitz, which I think is actually in Poland, yes?)
The whitespace is what the barcode reader "reads", not the black part. Laser reflection and all that jazz.
You better watch out, there may be dogs about . .
That company is silly, now those people cannot get an MRI if they needed one without having the silly thing removed. Besides that we don't know if the chip will migrate, or be pulled out by the magnetic field from an MRI. Bad company, bad sheep that work for them getting chipped.
a major concern with any small object like this is the possibility it will work its way loose from the muscle. Then these things have a tendency to find their way into the heart.
"Albrecht and McIntyre, who are Christians, also have religious concerns about RFID chip implants. In their latest book, "The Spychips Threat: Why Christians Should Resist RFID and Electronic Surveillance," the pair explain how plans by global corporations and government entities to broadly deploy RFID could usher in a world that bears a striking resemblance to the one predicted in Revelation, the last book of the Bible."
If the facts are accurate - and no one seems to be disputing them as yet - then their motivations aside, they've provided an important service to privacy watchers. It's interesting to see Christian activists approaching the issue with fact-based investigative reporting rather then just Scripture.
RichM
Data Center Knowledge
The grays are taking over our nation's datacenters. Dispatch a unit of MIBs to Cincinnati, and step on it!
-- dR.fuZZo
There is no such word as "bicep". The singular is "biceps" and the plural is either "biceps" or the rarely used "bicepses".
All the old employees had taken their compliance chips out years ago, but they stayed (apparently) docile. Then at night they would steal everything that wasn't nailed down.
argumentum ad fallacium: Fallacy of defining a fallacy which allows one to dismiss the argument in question.
Well, before, someone could either steal the physical chip (er, um, TAG) OR clone it wirelessly... but now they have to clone it wirelessly since it is injected. So it eliminates the possibility of stealing it, yielding it slightly more secure.
Rirelobql xabjf gung EBG-13 vf gur yrnfg frpher rapelcgvba rire, ohg jbhyq lbh jnfgr lbhe gvzr npghnyyl qrpelcgvat vg???
That's where I draw a line: Bodily harm, no matter how small. Any company that requires that employees change their body or mind has crossed the line between employer and slave-owner.
Wake up, you stupid jerks. It's just a job. It's not life, and less and less people define themselves via their jobs. 500 years ago, when you were asked who you are you'd say "the miller" or something like that. Over the past 10 years I've noticed that more and more people don't respond with their job title when asked who they are outside of business context.
Assorted stuff I do sometimes: Lemuria.org
This would be usefull as an alternative for the PASS card that most Americans will eventually have to get.
Oh, no ulterior motive, it is simply easier that way. You see, if you have the chip, you won't need a safety check.
Some say he is made with ascii, others that he is eyeballed daily by millions. All we know is, he is known as the Sig
As the cloning discussions reveal, this one-factor authentication is too weak. Two Factor Authenticaion is the solution to this. It's the constant trade-off between security and convenience. This company neglects the convenience factor without improving the security factor. Obviously, the public outcry will change their mind, if their employee's opinions haven't already. Besides, all they are storing are video camera footage tapes. Obviously, they want to be able to prove whether or not there has been tampering. So work on methods to detect tampering and just make it reasonably difficult to get physical access to the vault. Someone really needs to read some Bruce Schneier books.
Forcing people to do this is a blatent violation of constitution rights. Read the First Amendment.
Do they remove them when you go home at night? How about if you leave the company? Can the police read them? Advertisers when you go to the mall? Are there any privacy safeguards?
You may change your mind when you can't get a job to feed your family.
Just wondering. Every once in a while, people become ill or injured and need to be scanned by an MRI machine. These have big magnetic fields that can turn small pieces of metal into dangerous projectiles.
this is a test
- a built-in GPS receiver to track your moves 24/7, transfering said info back to the boss anytime you walk by a company RFID scanner. Jogging two hours a day gets you break on the health insurance while three hours a day on the couch gets you canned.
- monitoring your BAC (blood alcohol count), sending the on duty report to the boss and your company selling all the data to your insurance company or the State Police. Substitute the BAC for THC or anything else.
- Stores install RFID sensors at the checkout line so they can record your in-arm RFID and tie it to the credit/debit card you just paid with. Now since some stores are using LCD price signs, in theory, they could make price adjustments just for you according to your wealth, debt load, credit or anything else that let's them charge more.
Pretty outrageous ideas? Thirty years ago the whole idea of implanted tracking devices in humans would've been labelled evil or a Communist plot. RFIDs don't bother me, they're just a tool. What bothers me is what an army of PHBs will do with the data.
Long story short: RFIDs would be great if we could guarantee people's privacy. Of course we can't so IMO their use will only leave to revolt.
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence or insanity but they've always worked for me" - HST
First off, if they have a problem with people trading badges, etc. then the solution is to FIRE the people trading or sharing badges. Add a few cameras to cover all the areas of the DC and you're done. Once you catch the first bozo, and fire it - then that problem pretty much goes away for a while.
If you really want two person authentication which isn't invasive, then add a keycard with a hirsch scramblepad and make everyone pick a decent 4 or 5 digit code (the obvious BS ones excepted of course). It works like this: Geek approaches and waves card, Hirsch pad then beeps - geek presses the start button on the pad, and then the pad scrambles the location of the digits... Geek enters the code, and if it matches, the door opens. If not, then the laser canons come out of the ceiling or something like that...
but this bit where you get implanted or you don't get in and can't do your job is bullshit. It's not like it's a safety issue where the company says you have to wear a heat resistant suit to do your job - this is some fucken bullshit that they're trying to stuff inside of your body! Nope, never gonna happen with me.
In fact if I worked there and they tried that with me, I'd sue the shit out of them for creating a hostile working environment, endangering my health, and violating my religious freedom (I'm Jewish, and getting a tattoo means I can't get buried in a Jewish cemetery... I suspect that an RFID tag would be considered the same as a tattoo to my Rabbi...). And let's consider the fact that once it's in my arm I can be tracked on and off the premises by any manner of person (including the nefarious types).
I'm not putting my fingerprints into anything, scanning my retina or iris, or allowing myself to be mapped in any damn way. Give me a card, let me remember a PIN - that's it. It's good enough - hell, at least as good as some piece of crap RFID tag is...
NOW is the time to rise up and say "FUCK YOU" in the loudest possible terms to anyone trying to pull this shit. Join CASPIAN (www.nocards.org) and fight for your rights to privacy.
Police Departments don't have quotas but if you want to be promoted you better met some requirements(aka promotion quotas). I am sure the company will let you be employed there if you don't what the implant but if you want to go anywhere in the company (i.e promotion) then you would most likely need an implant. Good Luck. I would chill for a bit and try to find another job. One day RFID's implants will be like drug tests, everywhere. Money, Profit, MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE
Getting mugged here gets a whole new meaning, as now you're going to have the great back-alley forced surgery. I'd rather they just take my damn keys. It's bad enough they're already skinning my fingers, stealing my retinas, and hair.
-M
when you see the word 'Linux', drink!
Here, at last, is something useful that crazy fundamentalist christians could be doing: protesting this ridiculously insecure waste of time.
Can we get someone to tell Pat Robertson about this?
It's rare that you're presented with a knob whose only two positions are Make History and Flee Your Glorious Destiny.
4 factor security:
1) Retina scan
2) Password Entry
3) 1024 bit authentication smartcard
4) Big Frank, if I don't know ya, you don't get in.
No matter how much you like to think you are Big Brother, there is always a bigger brother watching.
Modesty is one of life's greatest attributes
This story has got to be bunk... this company requires implants to access their data? Yeah, and when one infection occures from this device - lawsuit city.
There are SO many other forms of security already in place that can prevent unauthorized access to datacenters - this one is actually not that secure!
biometric scanners (iris and palm), ID badge access that is checked by a security guard, pin + rsa keyfob generated password, and an "airlock" type room between public and secure areas that weighs the person entering. It would be almost impossible to dupe this setup... in any event it would be MUCH more difficult to duplicate than to skim and reproduce the rfid chip.
And if security is your top priority - injecting microchips into your people and letting them walk around with private keys in their arm isn't a good practice.
Yes, it is the asbestos (ok, particular kind of) *FIBERS* that are small enough that they can pass through cell walls and because they're inert, aren't really picked up by the immune system beforehand, either. Because they're so small, yet still glass (i.e., sharp), they then cause mechanical damage at the nanoscopic scale.
There is nothing to suggest that a macroscopic blob of glass will cause any problems whatsoever. Look at how long glass lasts in the environment, for example. It does not break down due to chemical actions (unless it's raining hydrofluoric acid).
If the sentient individual is in charge of it's own destiny, then it's transhumanism. If it's being enslaved by someone else, it's something much less desireable.
This "seems" to be an in-between case...but with very disturbing overtones of the "something else".
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
Merlin, re:
... here comes the second letter, hmmm, an "E" ... let's see -- HOLY SHIT!
"always wondered about making a program to compute all the possible combinations of the Jewish alphabet that adds up to 666 (filtering out all the nonsense ones of course). Someone must have done this somewhere already."
Yes, I just finished it! Let's see, the name of Satan is spelled out, umm, okay, first letter is a "J"
The name of the beast who is numbered 666 is:
"JESUS CHRIST"
OK, someone want to do a check to see how many degrees of seperation there are between this company and someone high-up in the Bush Administration? I'd bet on a clear chain of no more than 3 nodes between these guys and someone in Bush's circle or possibly in the FBI or so... I'd do it but I'm busy :P
On a side note: always wondered about making a program to compute all the possible combinations of the Jewish alphabet that adds up to 666 (filtering out all the nonsense ones of course). Someone must have done this somewhere already.
This has already been done - for english at least. Check out http://egomania.nu/gates.html for the details that show Bill Gates is the devil. Or wait until Vista comes out and check
Start Button
/ Control Panel
/ Security Center
/ My RFID Implant
dude, i'd think the bicep would be one of the best developed muscles on the average slashdotter's body :p
It seems to me it would be possible to build a device capable of overloading the tag with RF, causing it to overheat or pop. If you felt like being particularly nasty, you could just point the antenna at these poor fools and leave a broken, burned piece of glass in their arm. Probably not any sort of life-threatening injury, but certainly painful.
Cloning it would require the participation of the owner
From TFA:
"Ironically, the extra security sought may be offset by a recent discovery of Jonathan Westhues, where the security researcher showed the VeriChip can be skimmed and cloned, duplicating an implant's authentication. When contacted, those at CityWatcher were unaware of the chip's security issue, according to the spychips.com release."
So, yes the person would need to be in the proximity, but apparently they would only need to walk by you and your scanner/cloning device.
Which brings up another question: How do they plan to upgrade the already implanted devices? It appears additional surgery is necessary for these models. Obviously, they will need to move to a remotely upgradable model. That way, the devil can administer these devices directly from hell. I don't really believe in the devil, but this does make me sick. 666!
ZEN is a prime number in base-36
Glass is a horrible insulator. Ever put your hand on a single pane window in the dead of winter?
The source of this article is from an anti-RFID group. Security focus needs to do some fact checking. Maybe Slashdot, too. Did anyone call City Watcher to verify the facts?
All that just for a false sense of security? Who on earth would want to hire a company this stupid?
-Eric
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
Parent seems to read a lot of media buzz and FUD about Cincinnati, and never have actually visited.
I have never worked for an inconsiderate company, in 3 Cincinnati jobs. (though one of my previous companies was sold to 3M, which is moving them to China, and supposedly laying everyone off)
The riots "as seen on TV" were a result of problems between police and gangs, and the apparent racial bias of the shooter/shootee. It had nothing to do with businesses.
Cincinnati is in Ohio, which was never a slave state. We fought on the side of the North.
Baseball bad-press is a result of quotes taken out of context from an owner who preferrs sailor-style language. (baseball-style?) I've heard she was once actually rather well-loved in the baseball community. I've noticed people seem to derive a lot of opinion from age/physical appearance, which is sad. Besides which, winning/losing streaks are completely offtopic.
That, good sir, is an act of desperation I could not conceive.
It's an alarming though, though, that should such practices become commonplace -- one might find themself making just that decision.
Which is exactly why now is the perfect time to say hell no to crap like this.
Another comedic, though not really, thought that comes from this are all the movies where a bad guy pulls someones eye out for a retnal scan. Perhaps the new Sci-Fi flicks will include people having their arms ripped off to pass through RFID scans.
RFID Security Scan: Looks like Mr. Jones has been drikning and having sex with prostitutes again.