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On kde-look there is a very nice looking replacement proposal for kicker and the desktop metaphor.

The author proposes a card based metaphor which would allow you to mix and match componants to create your own desktop environment. There is no code yet, just some annotated "screenshots" here and here.

In the discussion there are several people volunteering to help code so this project may actually become reality.

That penguin is part of Everaldo's icon theme "crystal" for KDE. You can find different variations of this icon theme both at his homepage and at kde-look.org.

I think there was also a "port" of his icon theme to gnome, but I can't find a link right this minute.

Use KDE with OpenOffice and Konqueror like this ......

... or use GNOME2, with AbiWord/Gnumeric like this (a bit less windowsish)

...... or use something totally far out like this. You have a truckload of flexibility as far as UIs are concerned.

The best software on *nix does it differently. Look at Apache. Anyone who wants it can figure out how to edit an httpd.conf file. It's not terribly hard. Why would anyone want to give it an IIS-like interface?

Because some people prefer GUIs? GUIs aren't evil you know, and editing text files aren't necessarily inferior either.

As an aside, anyone notice how much better the command-line paradigm deals with chaining/piping programs together?

No. The command line sucks at program componentization. Piping is an incredibly crude component system - you can't even get the exit code of a program half way along a pipe without pain. Stuff like COM/CORBA/.NET is soooo much better. Note that not every command line app can be scripted/joined easily either, they have to be specifically designed for that.

Here solve your very own problems without any C++ what so ever. Heck, just use the Gnome icons if you prefer them. They work just as nicely under KDE.

I'll second this. Specifically, what I'm looking for is a KDE theme that matches this GTK theme and this XMMS skin. KDE Look, this site where most people tell me to go, didn't really have anything appropriate. Just a lot of Aqua clones.

Its really cool!

Why open anus when you can have an open pussy instead Just remember what happens

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Some ones took the sex kitten from Oralse.cx and turned it into a kde splash screen! Yove just got to laugh! I hope they make a goatse one too.

OK, this is objective opinion. Why don't you all just check out the best looking desktop there is! I've also got Mac, but I got to admit, this beats it all the way.

Personally I see this as a two way street. And one that certainly hasn't had a lot of two way traffic.

I like to wander around kde-look.org a lot. And from the comments posted there, the average joe's "criticism" consists of "this sucks." Or "blue sucks." Or "my desktop is green, why the hell would I use this." Hardly constructive by any stretch of the imagination.

I feel that there should be some sense of loyalty between the developers and the end users - but not directly. If a developer is loyal to their project -- and they are, more often than not, that's why they do it -- then they should want to see their project do well in the open source community. If a user is loyal to a project -- which they often are as can be evidenced by the KDE/Gnome rivalry -- then they should do whatever they can to help the developer see things in a different perspective. Perhaps a different angle for an interface.

Personally, I am a piss-poor coder. I love to code, but I think that my contributions would only work to set the community back. Does that mean that my suggestions are worthless? I have a background in interface design so shouldn't my suggestions (when well formed) be taken worth a grain of salt? Rather than ignored because "I didn't write the code."

I use open source software. I am an end user. I understand that my software will crash. That's my responsibility. If I want to keep using it, or convert others to it, I need to respond constructively to those that have put in countless hours of free time to use something that most take for granted. It's the "silver spoon" syndrome.

And, in response to the "you're not paying me to write xyz" comments... did any of you pay for vi? Perl? Regex functionality? We're a community. We all take what we haven't paid for. The least we can do is help make more stuff for someone else to take without paying for it.

I won't go into why, because I grow very weary of the "My Distro Rocks; Your Distro Sucks mines balls" arguements that seem to permeat the Linux community.

I think the whole Gentoo phenomenon is not the "my distro is better" arguement. It is the "my distro is newer" arguement. The same way Sawfish gets replaced with Metacity in GNOME2, or the way the KDE theme users go "ooh-ooh Liquid!, no wait - Keramic!, no - Crystal!

None is better than the other, people just like the newer one. It is not as cool to keep saying "Debian r0x0r my b0x0r!" for five years. (But it does.)

I won't go into why, because I grow very weary of the "My Distro Rocks; Your Distro Sucks mines balls" arguements that seem to permeat the Linux community.

I think the whole Gentoo phenomenon is not the "my distro is better" arguement. It is the "my distro is newer" arguement. The same way Sawfish gets replaced with Metacity in GNOME2, or the way the KDE theme users go "ooh-ooh Liquid!, no wait - Keramic!, no - Crystal!

None is better than the other, people just like the newer one. It is not as cool to keep saying "Debian r0x0r my b0x0r!" for five years. (But it does.)

Don't forget that GNOME IS UGLY AND GAY! Kde is ultra sexy with styles like liquid by mosfet and kereramik! Check out kde-look.org Its got lots of cool goodies for KDE. Gnome is butt ugly! Worser than motif and twm!

KDE Look

For those of you who are not aware of this site, www.kde-look.org is a great site for all kinds of themes, icons and backgrounds. Check out some of the work there, especially mosfet's liquid theme and the crystal ikons.

it has a shitty gui(most distros)

when was the last time you used Linux? Check out KDE 3 or GNOME they are sweeeet!

noone writes software that works for linux

It's not purely about how much, it's also about how good, and most Linux software is (imho) good. Before I'm going to write down a list of people that makes software for Linux, just check out sourceforge, download.com, tucows etc... you'll find a lot.

noone writes software that works for linux

Out of the box they mostly have far more beter support, and for most hardware you can get the drivers, only for those products-nobody-have-ever-heard-of-produced-on-ant artica-stuff you won't get drivers nowadays.

And please if you reply, don't write down experiences of distros like RedHat 4.x, use a new one.

KDE3 rocks, btw. And http://www.kde-look.org/ has some really neat eye-candy to make it even better.

There is also kde-look.org for all of your KDE theme needs. For those who use non-KDE desktops, still check it out for an excellent collection of wallpapers, many of which are very penguin-centric.

For those of you who dont want to compile KDE 3.0 from source, or don't have the patience to wait for the deb's in Debian Sid, some guy posted a howto on KDE-Look.org explains setting up KDE 3.0 on Debian GNU/Linux. It involves fetching the Slack binaries and recompiling qt 3. (however I don't think recompiling qt is necessary) Personally, I'll stick with GNOME for a while, and get KDE 3 when the packages are ready.

About screenshots:

KDE 3 is very tunable, but most of the user interface hasn't changed significantly from KDE 2.2.2 (most of the work has been in polishing the internals, to correspond to the move to Qt 3) - apart from a couple of things, like the new file selection dialogue. Your best bet to see what KDE 3 can do is to go to the KDE theme website, KDE-Look.org.

About the feature list:

Here is the internal KDE 3 feature plan. There's also a link there to the features planned to be in KDE 3.1.

Although I am still working on getting connected the to ftp server and have not yet installed it, I have seen some Screenshots of the 3.0 theme and think it's overall smoother and more professional looking than 2.2.

Check some screen shots out here. Keep in mind, these are only some of the possibilities. KDE is super-themable.

Every version of KDE i've ever seen has been, well, sort of inherently ugly-- the worst abuses of the motif, windows, and aqua mindsets combined.

You telling me that this is ugly? Or this?

that doesn't change that there seemed to just be very little engineering of details in KDE, and little things-- the relative placement of buttons, layout, fitt's law considerations, stuff you can't skin over

Everyone always seems to whine about fitts law, like knowing what it is automagically makes them a GUI design guru. To be honest, I prefer having smaller buttons/icons and being able to fit more on, and I think you'll find most other people do too - which is why even on OS X, that bastion of largeness, users often make the default dock icon size smaller, and the finder uses 16x16 icons in its default view.

Look at this screenshot.

The print dialog is EXACTLY THE SAME AS WINDOWS'.

The taskbar system is EXACTLY THE SAME AS WINDOWS'.

Even the HELP SYSTEM is EXACTLY THE SAME AS WINDOWS'.

The background *is* the default Mac OS X background.

You're going to tell me that the round, bubbly blue title bars (whose construction are directly lifted from Windows'), were not directly inspired by the latest OS's from Apple and Microsoft?

When is Linux going to stop aiming to be JUST LIKE WINDOWS! and do something "innovative" in the GUI area?

Oh, that's right. THEY WON'T, simply because all those open source programmers are PROGRAMMERS and know nothing about UI design!

There's a REASON you won't find any UI features in KDE that haven't already appeared in Windows or Mac OS. Microsoft and Apple pay people who deserve the money BIG BUCKS to design UI's and perform focus groups and make *advances* in the UI department.

The Crystal Icons seem to be very little more than a myth still, though. Everaldo (the artist of the icon set) has been saying for months that he'll release them in April. We'll see...

Personally, I still prefer the Slick Theme over them any day.

And I should probably go ahead and plug Mosfet's Liquid Theme which should have a (back-ported from KDE3) release out soon. :-) It all makes for a very purty desktop! Keep it up everyone!

The Crystal Icons seem to be very little more than a myth still, though. Everaldo (the artist of the icon set) has been saying for months that he'll release them in April. We'll see...

Personally, I still prefer the Slick Theme over them any day.

And I should probably go ahead and plug Mosfet's Liquid Theme which should have a (back-ported from KDE3) release out soon. :-) It all makes for a very purty desktop! Keep it up everyone!

You just have to look at the Keramik theme and the Conectiva Crystal icon theme. It is going to be a bright, bright future.

You just have to look at the Keramik theme and the Conectiva Crystal icon theme. It is going to be a bright, bright future.

Does anyone know if there are any plans to change the default icon set for KDE3? Perhaps to Ikons

Fuck that crappy second rate desktop, it was only created so stall man can masturbate with licences Get this desktop now, before your killed with mono!
It looks SO much better!

Dotplan
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Dotplan
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That screenshot was posted to kde-look.org by a Gnome troller, along with the comment "no, sorry this is not KDE and i doubt that KDE will ever gonna look like this. well i bet a couple of you people gonna move to GNOME now.".

I'm not sure what the guy thought was unimplementable in KDE. SVG icons will be in KDE 3.1 (the patch already exists, but came too late to be included in KDE 3.0 -- it will be in 3.1, however). The rest seems to be just window/background themes.

Since we're ushering this new era of KDE/Gnome friendliness, I have one simple request...

Can one (or both) of these two desktops allow me to scale the title bar on the windows? I can change all of the other fonts to a bigger size, but when I change the title bar font it just gets cut off vertically. Sorry, but some of us try to run high resolutions on smaller monitors.

By the way, here's cool theme from KDE-Look.org (one of the few ones that didn't rip off some pre-existing OS (majority were XP/MacOS X)):
Gorilla @ KDE-Look.org (preview)

Notice how small the title bar font is... just think the joy you could bring to small children if that scaled with the font size! It would be perfect on this theme...

Since we're ushering this new era of KDE/Gnome friendliness, I have one simple request...

Can one (or both) of these two desktops allow me to scale the title bar on the windows? I can change all of the other fonts to a bigger size, but when I change the title bar font it just gets cut off vertically. Sorry, but some of us try to run high resolutions on smaller monitors.

By the way, here's cool theme from KDE-Look.org (one of the few ones that didn't rip off some pre-existing OS (majority were XP/MacOS X)):
Gorilla @ KDE-Look.org (preview)

Notice how small the title bar font is... just think the joy you could bring to small children if that scaled with the font size! It would be perfect on this theme...

Then try the Win2000 theme plus the same Icon theme mentioned before. Also on KDE-look.

And install Evolution. Too close to the look of Outlook.

But one thing will tell them that you are cheating: No BSOD!!

All the best.
Op

Install Mandrake 8.1, Texstar's KDE 2.2.2, KDE-Look WindowsXP themes and there you go!

Check it out this theme here with those icons here.

He will surelly be fooled :)

Install Mandrake 8.1, Texstar's KDE 2.2.2, KDE-Look WindowsXP themes and there you go!

Check it out this theme here with those icons here.

He will surelly be fooled :)

Install Mandrake 8.1, Texstar's KDE 2.2.2, KDE-Look WindowsXP themes and there you go!

Check it out this theme here with those icons here.

He will surelly be fooled :)

Just pick your choice:

This one
This too
Even this one
What about this other one?

Just pick your choice:

This one
This too
Even this one
What about this other one?

Just pick your choice:

This one
This too
Even this one
What about this other one?

Just pick your choice:

This one
This too
Even this one
What about this other one?

While I'm not going to say you're wrong, you need to take into account that there are M$ spoofing Icon Themes out there that even DO put the IE Icon on your desktop.

While I'm not going to say you're wrong, you need to take into account that there are M$ spoofing Icon Themes out there that even DO put the IE Icon on your desktop.

The 'home' icon with the two people is stolen from XP; the trash icon from 9x.

Not according to the auhor, although he could certainly be lying. At this page (about 5 screens down) he writes:

Some of my hardware icons are based on the Windows XP ones (read: I got my inspiration with Windows XP, but I did not rip any icons). I've made all the icons myself

If true, then I have no problem with this. Blatant copying is not legal, but "clean room" reimplementations have been upheld in court -- this is what Apple did to Xerox, and what Windows did to Apple.

Btw, you can run KDE without kicker, and you would have a pretty non-"MSFT" desktop. Kicker isn't required, you can get a window list from a middle click. With Alt-F2 you can load any software you need (including KControl). It by *default* looks like what's commonly refered to as a Desktop Environment, but so does GNOME by default. Anyhow, KDE is great anyway.

you mean something like this?my desktop
This is my desktop, with modified iKons. check out KDE-Look for the complete, unedited iKons icon set. You will also notice a poll on the comments page, the author asked if iKons should be the default icon set for KDE3...
anyway; a lot of independent graphic artists are creating stylish, cartoonish and photo-realistic icons.
Regarding your other observations, you can turn launch feedback off if you don't want it. KDE will never be finished, as more and more users demand more and more features. I hope they keep implementing them as optional features. Eye candy is great, as long as it doesn't get in the way. Just turn some of it off, enjoy the speed gains. Try KDE with the preemptible patches from e.g. Texstar if you want more speed. Stability has never been an issue on my box.

Check out the icons at kde-look.org