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> Real problem for Oracle too. sprintf. Owned by AT&T.

Yeah, and open sourced by Caldera in 2002.

In my printed copy of the Lions Commentary on the kernel for the 6th edition of the UNIX operating system, prominent notices of AT&T copyright are near the title pages. In the PDF online, I see "Circulation of this document is restricted to holders of a license for the UNIX software system from Western Electric."

If an API is subject to copyright, then fork(), wait(), open(), and the rest of the happy family of UNIX system calls is thus owned by Bell Labs -> Lucent -> Alcatel -> Nokia.

Nokia has the power to demand 10x Oracle's judgement if this stands.

The full source code of the UNIX v6 kernel, as published in the Lions commentary, bore prominent copyright notices from AT&T Bell Labs.

If the system call and C library API interface is thus still owned by Bell Labs, then that covers Oracle Linux, the POSIX standard, commercial UNIX, as well as all the phones (including QNX), routers, UNIX/Linux/BSD servers/workstations, and likely much more.

Oracle had better pray that they lose.

Soft keys but with great tactile feel, and completely programmable so you could easily swap the CTRL and CAPS LOCK keys. It was IBM's take on a silent keyboard but will all their (then) quality thrown in.

Like most keyboards, it has the function keys at the top, and the inverted-T arrow keys. These are the two things I absolutely hate, and why I have Northgate keyboards, like the Omnikey Ultra and the Omnikey Plus. Unfortunately, there were multiple versions of both of these keyboards, and some have the inverted-T.

But, the programmable keys are nice, and the Model M needs that as it suffers from the Caps Lock key being next to "A". I use Caps Lock so infrequently that I programmed it to be the Windows key (which my Northgates don't have).

One of the comments points to DPF, which uses dynamic code generation to demultiplex packets. This is a very promising and surprisingly old idea. A dynamically generated classifier/filter could replace the entire network input path, and interface well with Van Jacobson's net channels. In addition to providing superior performance, it would afford far greater flexibility and modularity of code.

Your googlefu is not strong, my son.

Here's a few examples of SCO providing code:

http://perens.com/SCO/SCOSlideShow.html

http://www.lemis.com/grog/SCO/code-comparison.html

regarding a 'History of the UNIX kernel' class, check out http://bitsavers.org/pdf/bellLabs/unix/ it has some interesting documents about the and unix kernel and some of the listings are being used as part of the current effort to resurrect the very early unix (ie v1 etc) also theres always lions commentary to be found on the net at http://www.lemis.com/grog/Documentation/Lions/

You're trying to use tool choice to solve a social problem. It isn't going to work.

Frankly, it will work, and I think it's funny you aren't open to that possibility. Plus, in many ways it is not a social problem, but a technical one. Putting locks on your doors keeps people from just walking in off the street. Email is basically an unlocked door with a big sign that says "come on in!" Anyway, who had a verified email accounts in the 90's??! Email was way more open then. The funny thing is we've tightened it up and it's still a problem.

Before you can say "drop email in favor of X, Y, and Z", you need X, Y, and Z to be a suitable replacement for email.

You didn't read my post that closely did you. That's OK, it is Slashdot after all ;-) If you'll go back to my first post, I'm not saying that we need to switch today. I'm saying we need to switch. To something better. Email sucks. And there are alternatives for many of the things email does for us. Anyway, you're right with the SMS stuff - you can send from IM etc. Facebook is a better example. It's hard to imagine Facebook becoming 95% spam since in most cases you could file legal action against the spammers or take their accounts away.

Besides, what we have today is: some channels without (or actually, with little) spam. Do away with email and you will accelerate the pace at which those channels start getting more spam. It's as simple as that.

It's really not that simple. Do you know how email works? It's basically completely open to spammers. There are many many things that could be done better with email. A lot of that is implemented in some of the social networking sites. There are certainly ways to reduce spam before it is sent. When we have to filter 95% of email traffic after it is sent, you don't stop and think something's wrong??

The Complete FreeBSD is available from the author, Greg Lehey, online here: http://www.lemis.com/grog/Documentation/CFBSD/ Greg's site itself is pretty interesting, too.

This is nonsense, http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/bsd.html it wasn't per se forbidden, but the 'problem' evolved during the years. >the Linux stack was written from scratch. Even most developers of Linux do know better. http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-linux-networking-stack/?S_TACT=105AGX59&S_CMP=GR&ca=dgr-lnxw07LinuxNetStack But apart from that, Free/Net/OpenBSD are opensource derivatives of original UNIX. Even then if there isn't any code from original UNIX in it anymore. http://www.lemis.com/bsdpaper.html Urband legends spread by Linux community to gain somewhat an independency from other project, because they have a huge problem paying someone the respect.

Hasn't this been done already? I seem to remember that Caldera released the "Ancient UNIX sources" under a BSD license a few years back. See it all here.

The very best course I have found is a ~32 hour DVD course on the FreeBSD kernel internals and: Advanced FreeBSD Kernel Code Walkthrough Videos I've never found anything more thorough.

Or, if the BSD kernel is indeed your thing, hire Groggy. Would you study under someone without a beard?

Based on all the measurements I'm aware of, Linux has the fastest & most complete stack of any OS (source)

i think the easiest sensor out there is the temperature, start there to learn

http://www.lemis.com/grog/brewing/temperature-cont rol.html

and

http://www.hoppie.nl/tempsens/#hardware

will def help there

Real linux users use BSD, http://www.lemis.com/grog/

http://www.freebsd.org/
http://www.apple.com/macosx/
http://www.openbsd.org/
http://www.netbsd.org/
http://www.dragonflybsd.org/

The original unix block i/o system used multiply linked buffers, as documented in the Lions (1976) book.

See in particlar page 76 -- "Buffer headers may be linked simultaneously into two lists", "Both the...lists are doubly linked to facilitate insertion and deletion at any point."

--
Roger

sorry. - link to Lion's
http://www.lemis.com/grog/Documentation/Lions/book .pdf

Without going as far as far as DBSD's threading it would appear you could reduce the number of locks currently used in the Linux TCP stack at the expense of adding a bit of the TCP stack to userland. Take a look at these slides on Van Jacobson's Net Channels where Linux's TCP performance is improved by implementing channels (seen via Dave Miller's blog).

  Native #1: ``Do you think the police know about these devil computers?''

Native #2: ``If they come from California, then the FBI oughta know about 'em.''

16:13 -!- lilo [i=levin@freenode/staff/pdpc.levin] has quit ["leaving"] 16:14 -!- Adamn [i=adam@fetus.eater.org] has joined #freenode-wallops 16:14 -!- integral [n=develop@p3m/member/integral] has joined #freenode-wallops 16:14 -!- met [i=met@124-ego-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #freenode-wallops 16:14 -!- Toes [i=1000@unaffiliated/toes] has joined #freenode-wallops 16:14 should nick passwords be changed? 16:14 -!- t35t0r [n=huh@eglimp.mc.Vanderbilt.Edu] has joined #freenode-wallops 16:14 timecop: fuck it, just do it 16:14 no. 16:14 -!- ardchoille [n=ianmac@unaffiliated/ardchoille] has joined #freenode-wallops 16:14 what is going on 16:14 moderate it and voice the people who ask 16:14 or any other passwords ? 16:14 who is being attacked 16:14 hahaha 16:14 alindeman thanks for the info and bye again... 16:14 -!- elfredo [n=mrhuggy@ip149.82.1311B-CUD12K-03.ish.de] has left #freenode-wallops ["They broke my watch!"] 16:14 -!- funkyHat [n=matt@cpc3-nthc3-3-1-cust65.nrth.cable.ntl.com] has joined #freenode-wallops 16:14 -!- hal9OOO [n=monolith@2001:7a8:432d:a1:cafe:bed0:c0de:d0d0] has joined #freenode-wallops 16:14 puzZles: yes, so long I'm not sure I remember who you are. :) 16:14 -!- cdp34 [i=cdp34@student.cusu.cam.ac.uk] has joined #freenode-wallops 16:14 OK, here's what we have: One of our new staffer's daughter's boxes was compromosed, either by the GNAA or by someone with connections to them. His oper password was compromised, and was used to forget and forbid a few large channels (less than 10 as we can well) ----- 16:47 lilo: Can we hunt down GNAA and kill them all please? 16:52 wow , gnaa site made my browser crashed..ouch 18:38 My name is Grog of the GNAA RUINED.4.LYFE NOT GREG LEHEY AKA GROGGY, LILO IS A FUCING IDIOT HE GAVE THE KEYS TO FREENODE TO GNAA THROUGH BEING SOCIALLY ENGINEERED NO HACK, NO SCRIPT WAS USED YOU HAVE BEEN TROLLEED 18:38 My name is Grog of the GNAA RUINED.4.LYFE NOT GREG LEHEY AKA GROGGY, LILO IS A FUCING IDIOT HE GAVE THE KEYS TO FREENODE TO GNAA THROUGH BEING SOCIALLY ENGINEERED NO HACK, NO SCRIPT WAS USED YOU HAVE BEEN TROLLEED 18:39 Looks like lilo gave the keys to the kingdom to the GNAA, if this is true 18:46 if groggles is a freenode staffer, but a GNAA member 18:46 why was he opered in the first place 18:46 nenolod: he was not/is not a gnaa member 18:47 his account was compromised 18:47 numist: are you sure? 18:47 he may be. 18:47 there is no reason to believe so, so quit spreading FUD please 18:47 -!- lilo [i=levin@freenode/staff/pdpc.levin] has joined #freenode 18:47 -!- mode/#freenode [+v lilo] by ChanServ 18:47 yes 18:47 The creator of FreeBSD and MySQL was GNAA? 18:47 please no FUD 18:47 wb lilo 18:47 hay i have voice 18:47 z1on: heh. 18:47 z1on: nice 18:47 z1on: Right on 18:47 Groggles was indeed GNAA from the beginning 18:47 z1on: just stop reading their site :p 18:47 z1on: Riiiiiiiiiiight. 18:47 There was a member of GNAA named Grog 18:47 Then why was groggles opped? 18:50 nenolod: google for greg lehey, thats who groggles is 18:50 don't blame philly! 18:50 bandwidth can be dropped 18:50 nenolod: greg's homepage is here: http://www.lemis.com/~grog/ 18:51 is lilo's IP Static 18:51 100mbit is toastable 18:51 nenolod: he definitely doesnt fit the gnaa typography 18:51 HAs he turned to GNAA? 18:51 lilo turned GNAA? 18:52 i have a hard time believing that 18:52 heh 18:52 lol 18:52 i have 7mbish down and 900kbish up 18:52 _ns, he didnt 18:52 let's just end the conspiracy theories :p 18:52 * bill_c smacks head 18:52 no... lilo wouldn't turn GNAA 18:52 who is falling for the dark side

D'oh,
This whole time I thought Grog was the screen name for http://www.lemis.com/grog/ *nix developer, Greg Lehy.

Good News Everyone!
Mike Smith now works for Apple, whose OS is based on BSD.
Check it out: www.lemis.com/~grog/msmr.html
and at: daemonnews, under "BSD at Apple"
He didn't like the direction that v5 was taking so he quit and starting writing BSD code for Apple, where he is still works today.

Good News Everyone!
Mike Smith now works for Apple, whose OS is based on BSD.
Check it out: www.lemis.com/~grog/msmr.html
and at: daemonnews, under "BSD at Apple"
He didn't like the direction that v5 was taking so he quit and starting writing BSD code for Apple, where he is still works to this day.

I personally have run into in-duh-viduals who find the BSD beastie mascot offensive for "religious" reasons. And yes, these people really do need a full-body enema. The problem is that there are a lot of these cretins about, and they have money and increasing political clout. (Ref: "Dubya", the first president who can't spell the letter W!, and any comment by John Ashcroft.)

It is up to the FreeBSD project to decide if they want to "go with the flow" and modify the mascot to an inoffensive, boring and politically correct splodge, or take on the U.S. gummint and the Moron^H^Hal Majority. (Ref: Waco.)

Posted as AC with tinfoil hat on, for obvious reasons (Ref: reference to U.S. gummint, above.)

/joke

That link is a double 404.

But the answer is probably "because it won't do the job well enough". For details read the web page again, and particularly the first attempt, which looks like what I think you're talking about.

Greg

That link is a double 404.

But the answer is probably "because it won't do the job well enough". For details read the web page again, and particularly the first attempt, which looks like what I think you're talking about.

Greg

What do I say? Are you having difficulties with your browser?

What I've drunk is there for all to see: http://www.lemis.com/grog/brewing/today.

Greg

Basically, the BSD licence is similar to PHK's (another FreeBSD developer) Beer-Ware Licence

* "THE BEER-WARE LICENSE" (Revision 42):
* <phk@FreeBSD.ORG> wrote this file. As long as you retain this notice you
* can do whatever you want with this stuff. If we meet some day, and you think
* this stuff is worth it, you can buy me a beer in return Poul-Henning Kamp

ps. Now this" is really funny! :)))))

The original cute-looking daemon you know today, yes. There was a shirt by Phil Foglio which showed a bunch of little creatures with horns and pitchforks climbing on a PDP mini-computer before that, though. The current daemon was clearly based on those little, much less detailed, daemons.

You can look here for Jonathan M. Bresler's take: http://www.lemis.com/grog/whyadaemon.html

His perception was that it was a work for hire, and Phil didn't have residual rights to it. It was, however, a highly informal deal and there was nothing in writing (which, under US copyright law, I believe gives credence to Phil's claim over the shirt itself, if not the derivative daemon as well, but I'm not a lawyer).

If anyone has more info, please reply.

Thing is...this guys setup is not even that impressive...If you want to see a setup with domestic equipment that measures in the MEGApixels, have a look at this...

10 MEGA-pixels

Amail, Bmail, Cmail, Dmail, Email, Fmail, Gmail, Hmail, Imail, Jmail, Kmail, Lmail, Mmail, Nmail, Omail, Pmail, Qmail, Rmail, Smail, Tmail, Umail, Vmail, Wmail, Xmail, Ymail, and Zmail

Sorry.

Good News Everyone!
Mike Smith now works for Apple, whose OS is based on BSD.
Check it out: www.lemis.com/~grog /msmr.html
and at: daemonnews, un der "BSD at Apple"
He didn't like the direction that v5 was taking so he quit and starting writing BSD code for Apple, where he is still works today (last checked Aug 1, 2004).

Good News Everyone!
Mike Smith now works for Apple, whose OS is based on BSD.
Check it out: www.lemis.com/~grog/msmr.html
and at: daemonnews, under "BSD at Apple"
He didn't like the direction that v5 was taking so he quit and starting writing BSD code for Apple.

Good News Everyone!
Mike Smith now works for Apple, whose OS is based on BSD.
Check it out: www.lemis.com/~grog/msmr.html
and at: daemonnews, under "BSD at Apple"
He didn't like the direction that v5 was taking so he quit and starting writing BSD code for Apple.

Good News Everyone!
Mike Smith now works for Apple, whose OS is based on BSD.
Check it out: www.lemis.com/~grog/msmr.html
and at: daemonnews, under "BSD at Apple"
He didn't like the direction that v5 was taking so he quit and starting writing BSD code for Apple.

Good News Everyone!
Mike Smith now works for Apple, whose OS is based on BSD.
Check it out: www.lemis.com/~grog/msmr.html
and at: daemonnews, under "BSD at Apple"
He didn't like the direction that v5 was taking so he quit and starting writing BSD code for Apple.

Good News Everyone!
Mike Smith now works for Apple, whose OS is based on BSD.
Check it out: www.lemis.com/~grog/msmr.html
and at: daemonnews, under "BSD at Apple"
He didn't like the direction that v5 was taking so he quit and starting writing BSD code for Apple.

Good News Everyone!
Mike Smith now works for Apple, who's OS is based on BSD.
Check it out: www.lemis.com/~grog/msmr.html
and at: daemonnews, under "BSD at Apple"
He didn't like the direction that v5 was taking so he quit and starting writing BSD code for Apple.

Good News Everyone!
Mike Smith now works for Apple, who's OS is based on BSD.
Check it out: www.lemis.com/~grog/msmr.html
and at: daemonnews, under "BSD at Apple"
He didn't like the direction that v5 was taking so he quit and starting writing BSD code for Apple.

Good News Everyone!
Mike Smith now works for Apple, who's OS is based on BSD.
Check it out: www.lemis.com/~grog/msmr.html
and at: daemonnews, under "BSD at Apple"
He didn't like the direction that v5 was taking so he quit and starting writing BSD code for Apple.

Good News Everyone!
Mike Smith now works for Apple, who's OS is based on BSD.
Check it out: www.lemis.com/~grog/msmr.html
and at: daemonnews, under "BSD at Apple"
He didn't like the direction that v5 was taking so he quit and starting writing BSD code for Apple.

Good News Everyone!
Mike Smith now works for Apple, who's OS is based on BSD.
Check it out: www.lemis.com/~grog/msmr.html
and at: daemonnews, under "BSD at Apple"
He didn't like the direction that v5 was taking so he quit and starting writing BSD code for Apple.

Good News Everyone!
Mike Smith now works for Apple, who's OS is based on BSD.
Check it out: www.lemis.com/~grog/msmr.html
and at: daemonnews, under "BSD at Apple"
He didn't like the direction that v5 was taking so he quit and starting writing BSD code for Apple.

Good News Everyone!
Mike Smith now works for Apple, who's OS is based on BSD.
Check it out: www.lemis.com/~grog/msmr.html
and at: daemonnews, under "BSD at Apple"
He didn't like the direction that v5 was taking so he quit and starting writing BSD code for Apple.

Good News Everyone!
Mike Smith now works for Apple, who's OS is based on BSD.
Check it out: www.lemis.com/~grog /msmr.html
and at: daemonnews, un der "BSD at Apple"
He didn't like the direction that v5 was taking so he quit and starting writing BSD code for Apple.

Good News Everyone!
Mike Smith now works for Apple, who's OS is based on BSD.
He's back to writing BSD code, just for a different project.
Check it out: www.lemis.com/~grog/msmr.html
and at: daemonnews, under "BSD at Apple"

Heh, yeah, funny thing about that...
Mike Smith now works for Apple, who's OS is based on BSD.
Check it out: www.lemis.com/~grog/msmr.html

Yeah, and if that's not enough space, you can bzip2 the text and that'll probably do it, and get obfuscation out of it to boot (you know, like they did last time).

Here, with google you can find these... (keyword: Dion L. Johnson II)

here,
there,
and some more.

I wonder what Mr. Johnson's opinion is about SCO case.

There is one factor that helps SCO now. Copyright laws have changed so the argument that 32V Unix had lost its copyright is shakey at best.

Huh? 32V never lost it's copyright, Caldera Int., opened up Version 7 and 32V with a old-style BSD license. HERE is a link to a message with the new license attached.

I don't see a court allowing them to cancel the license and then go after people that had correctly followed it.

I think the last thing SCO wants is to go barking at the *BSDs...

BWP