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Errm...downloading it from Frostwire isn't downloading it from limewire.com, now, is it?

Yesterday, after reading this article, I successfully downloaded a copy from http://download.limewire.com/download/LimeWireWin.exe.
This URL now results in a 404 error. Probably somebody checked the website logs after they posted the shutdown notice, and realized a bunch of people were still downloading it from outside links.

If Chevy was actively advertising how many illegal DVDs you can fit in the car...

Well, that's just it. I've looked pretty thoroughly at Limewire's web site, and I'm just not seeing any reference at all to illegal downloads. In fact, the site looks on the surface to be pretty vanilla corporate-type design. Maybe the judge has some kind of smoking gun I'm just not seeing, but as far as I know, Limewire has never advertised itself as a product you should use to download files illegally. (But granted, being a commercial implementation of something I can get for free without adware infestation, I've never looked too closely into it.)

...and DVD bootlegging in Impalas ran rampant maybe.

Well, another analogy I can think of is the sale and use of so-called "Saturday night special" handguns. In spite of their prevalent use in criminal activities, a lawsuit against them was dismissed in 2003, and they remain largely unregulated today.

Not saying that they should or shouldn't, I'm just saying that it seems to me that it's awful inconsistent to pass summary judgment--as in, they didn't even get a trial--when other companies that specialize in providing stuff that is foreseeably used quite often, if not mostly, in illegal activities gets a free pass. Hell, if I wanted to, I could even buy a set of lockpicks and go to town. (Or more to the point, go to your house.)

No. The Gnutella network works as I described.

It doesn’t necessarily mean that every transfer will connect to multiple sources, but the client can if multiple sources are available. LimeWire does, and as far as I know it always has.

The LimeWire features list explicitly states that “Download from multiple hosts” is a feature.

... is a feature NOW. It wasn't a feature back then, before it could use the bittorrent protocol. Here's a short history.

No. The Gnutella network works as I described.

It doesn’t necessarily mean that every transfer will connect to multiple sources, but the client can if multiple sources are available. LimeWire does, and as far as I know it always has.

The LimeWire features list explicitly states that “Download from multiple hosts” is a feature.

I used to like Mutella but it's abandonware AFAIK (last release is dated August 2004). There's a deb package for the free version of LimeWire, or you could try gtk-gnutella, a very nice GTK client with a remote command-line interface so you can leave it running at home and control it via ssh from work (not that I would ever spend my employer's valuable time doing something like that).

As they say on late-night infomercials, "There's more!"

From the Limewire web site about "LimeWire Extended PRO": "New! Extend your PRO benefits! Get PRO for 1 year for only $34.95! Best Value"

Quotes:

"LimeWire PRO get turbo-charged" The free version is not "turbo-charged"? What is turbo-charged, in the case of a bittorrent client? Instead of blowing air, they blow compressed air?

"Fastest P2P downloads on the planet"

"Downloads from multiple hosts" What? What does that mean? That it's a bittorrent client?

"More Reliable Downloads"

"Connections to more sources"

"The Headline is Garbage"

Yes, and maybe the story is an advertisement. It would be much better if Slashdot editors provided a statement with every story that no one at their company took money to post the story.

I looked at the Limewire web site and saw what I think is an attempt at manipulation of people who don't have enough technical knowledge to evaluate the usefulness of their product.

Anyhow, the Azureus web site says it is "the most popular bittorrent client". Azureus is open source and free, and, in my experience, works just fine.

Something is fishy about Slashdot's Limewire story. Mmmm. Lime with fish. Except this is apparently rotten fish.

Or you could download it from Limewire.

And linking to the sites like this one (featuring for example " how to download a complete album ?") does very little to show that they are IN FACT against copyright infringement. As much as don't like RIAA, they might have fairly clear and simple case with LimeWire.

Well, IANAL, but it looks like they do.. just look at their homepage..

Here
  Under featuring: iTunes integration

Sounds like precedent to me unfortunaly, I mean.. You could easily make the argument that providing intergration to iTunes (a music player) would mean they want you to easily download and copyright infrenge on music...

Just a thought

Java apologist? Listen, every language has its place. Ruby is an excellent script language, so is Python and Perl. C# is a rich language that simplifies development on Windows and qualifies as a RAD language in Visual Studio. Java is a good OO language, with compatible runtimes on practically every platform. It also has a rich developer community and a number of sophisticated frameworks, APIs, and specifications (J2EE, J2ME, etc.) that help businesses get rich applications developed quickly, consistently, and reliably. Many of the platform runtimes feature JIT-C, so platform independence performance penalties are minimized. Its not perfect, hardly any language out there is (Lisp is pretty darn close, though).

Anyhow, well written apps in any language will rock, whereas poorly written apps will suck. I've used all too many poorly written native Windows/Linux/MacOS apps to know that. I think Swing/SWT have plenty of well-written apps other than IDEs, like the Swinglabs demo at JavaOne 2006: Aerith (https://aerith.dev.java.net/) and LimeWire (http://www.limewire.com/english/content/home.shtm l) - not as clunky as Azureus.

1. Emule - This is one of the best we found out there. Hint (Search for server.met on google to update your server list)

2. Bearshare - Nice Gnutella client, lots of good hits

3. Limewire - Another Gnutella client. It even works on the Mac!

4. Shareaza - A beautiful Gnutella client with no spyware.

5. BitTorrent - Perfect for downloading movies, or that latest linux distro

6. KaZaa - Old favorite. Oh yea - Aussie users, you can't download - Yea Right!

7. Azureus - BitTorrent client that works on Mac, Linux, and Windows 8. Morpheus - Wow. They are still around? Wha happened!

9. Gnucleus - Open source Gnutella for you freeloading open source hippies out there - Yea I am talking about you

10. Napster - Ah, just put this one here to see if you are still reading, and I guess for shits and grins too

So there you have it folks. These are slim pickings. Get um while they still work!

Well, good luck finding the singles of the sam quality for less.

It isn't really that hard.

Err.. you mean for less, like free, right?

The only people impressed with these games are rabid Java zealots.
...and anyone who appreciates clever programming.

The overhead of the virtual machine is ridiculous and all of these games could or already have been written in other programming languages at a fraction of the size. Most of these games resemble old Commodore64 games except that they're 4K in size and require a virtual machine that allocates roughly 40MB of RAM for a 4K program....

First, though top or other tools might report 40mb, that does not mean that the JVM uses this because of memory paging and the rt.jar, there are many other threads about this so I won't rehash it. Secondly, J2ME devices do not use that much memory.

After seeing these Java games, I decided to go and try some of the other Java games that were mentioned in the previous thread, such as Wurm online and Jake. Both ran pathetically slow compared to an equivalent game written in other languages. I'm sitting here on a machine that can run Quake 4 at a high frame rate with no problems and yet in Wurm online and Jake I get random pauses due to garbage collection and about 5 frames per second. And yes, I'm using Java 1.5 and I've also tried with the 1.6 beta.

Odd, they work fine for me.

I know some rabid Java zealots will come out and say that bad programs can be written in any language but I challenge you to show me a Java program that's used outside the enterprise environment, that isn't a web application that isn't a slow memory hog.

Limewire, Moneydance, Sitebuilder...

Yeah, I read the JEdit guys blog. He seems like quite a jerk. Big Microsoft lover too these days.

On top of that, serious filesharers don't use Kazaa anyway; they all use Limewire instead.

Your argument is that independent works will be locked out of LimeWire's DRM system. What prevents their authors from applying DRM, especially given that LimeWire's features page specifically mentions Creative Commons support? From the page:

LimeWire now recognizes OGGs and MP3s licensed under a Creative Commons License.

And according to the change log, this has been in the program since 4.3.0.

Your argument is that independent works will be locked out of LimeWire's DRM system. What prevents their authors from applying DRM, especially given that LimeWire's features page specifically mentions Creative Commons support? From the page:

LimeWire now recognizes OGGs and MP3s licensed under a Creative Commons License.

And according to the change log, this has been in the program since 4.3.0.

You can always use eMule (win32) / amule (linux/max/e.a.) Shareaza (win32) or limewire (win/max/javathingy) to perform those searches for you.

The music labels got to realize if they push the p2p networks too hard the p2p clients will go underground into anonymous networks

http://www.limewire.com/english/content/home.shtml

http://www.limewire.com/english/content/answerno.s html How can the RIAA make such claims? Limewire will NOT let you buy their product if you have malicious intent.

Why bypass the trailers when you can use your blu-ray player to download movies off the net?

1) Who is going to code their applications? Schools will have to hire hoards of developers to write custom code. Nearly all IT shops are against this, in favor of COTS.

Do they have that much money to waste? Fact is, Rapid Application Development in Linux is no big monster. You can always develop in RealBasic and compile the executable to run on Linux, that if learning curve is a problem.
Otherwise they can develop in Java: Look at Skype, Limewire, Azareus, Digichat.
Java is cross-platform you know?
Simpler languages like Tk/TCL are also cross-platform and easy to program in.
Fact is VB programmers are used to recycling ActiveX components which are very unstable, bulky and guess what support is now obsolete. Windows 2000 very soon will also lose support

2) Who are they going to call for tech support? How much does that cost?
Forums, Google, Articles, Books. People are badly accustomed with bad support that charges enormous rate; when it is known that people that work for them don't have a clue but follow from an answer manual. I know this girl that is clueless about computer and works for an IT Support Centre answering the phone.
Plus Linux hardly need as much support as Windows. It doesn't decay and corrupt so easily, it doesn't get so readily infected by nasties.

3) Who sets the standards for interoperabily?
I hope you don't think it should be Microsoft.
Interoperability is not a challenge for Linux, many internet cafes with solely Window clients run Linux on the background. Many corporates have their mail server sitting on Linux.
Can't comment on Mac though, never used it.
But can assure you - that with many more OSS education-related arising, Linux is by miles a cheaper better and saner idea.

The good thing about Microsoft is that you can always blame them if something goes wrong - so that can be handy for school admins.

Contrary to popular belief, there is a very popular open source p2p program available: http://www.limewire.com/

I guess that it's probably not a good idea to apply for that new LimeWire software developer opening, then.

To LimeWire, duh...

file sharing

game, specifically the only one your girlfriend/mother/mother in law probably cares about.
more games
games

Of course, this is kind of silly, because if you're worried about saving money you're not playing games on a PC or a Mac. "Let's see, I can buy a whole Playstation 2 with a couple of nice games for $200, or I can buy a new video card for for $200 so I can play Doom 3". PC's are excellent gaming platforms, but they are nowhere near as cost effective as any of the console systems. The games, especially when new, cost about the same (if the PC version isn't a little more expensive). It's almost cheaper to have one each of the "big three" consoles than try to keep PC hardware up to spec for playing the newest video games over any given 5 year span. PC's are also nice, open systems, so for online gaming you get access to the wide world of cheaters, where console games at least have some semblance of sofware control. PC games will look nicer, and probably be a little more of a rich experience, but as far as cost-effective, a PC is really far down.

The Windows PC can't do this, at least without buying expensive software. GarageBand comes with a new Mac, and this is also bundled into a new Mac. The ability to painlessly sync my phone and my computer's contact list is pretty valuable. And I can run most other software too, because I've got X11.

Now, admittedly there are lots of things you can't get to work on a Mac. this isn't available, neither is this, or this, or this. As a side effect, neither this nor this is available on the Mac. So, ya know, you're right, there's a lot of stuff that is much harder to do on my Mac than on my Windows PC, like being a Spambot and reporting my personal information to advertisers.

How I wished there were more Java apps they are truly cross-OS
I didn't have a file-share program so I've installed a pretty good one in Java - pretty simple.
I needed an MSN Clone so a pretty cute one in Java.
I needed a SQL Server GUI found one in Java.
Mind you - am resorting now to web-based SQL Server apps - much better less hassle.
There are a number of software that runs in Java, ok not all are good - that is up to the programmers.
Datadino is full of bug and $99 when they use open-source code.
But many others are pretty slick and hassle free.
Java apps are truly cross-platform, wished there were more.
Last app I was impressed with but haven't played with it enough is Eclipse - brilliant

People diss Java (maybe because its trendy to do so?),
when so far I don't know of anything as cross-OS compatible and easy to install (as long as you have JDK of course).

I personally use a couple of Java client applications on my Linux desktop..

Azureus and LimeWire are both written in Java.

And that about "Swing does not fit in the X11 word" is just a lie. Swing works fine in X11 under Linux. You should really try some of these things out before posting whatever you pull out of your ass.

Linux isn't really that much easier to download than Windows, if you Look in the right places :)

What's important to note is that the differences introduced by the VM and the rest of Java's overhead are small enough now that, for headless applications, poor coding can easily bridge the difference. There's no huge, glaring, a priori reason to use C++ over Java for headless apps, and when you want your server code to be portable crossplatform you'll find a huge, glaring reason to use Java.

Now what this study obviously doesn't deal at all with GUI'd applications, and Sun's Swing in particular does nothing to help Java's reputation as a slow technology. There's a relatively interesting discussion at java.net called Swing Usability that points out some of these shortcomings. What the Swing team doesn't seem to understand is that slower than native means slow to most users.

And just like the comments in this thread point out, as long as you put a compatibility layer between code and execution, you're going to be slower by definition. With Swing, simple to overlook unoptimized coding practices do not easily spell the difference between implementations. Here, Java's speed and performance is visibly slower no matter how quickly the GUI-less logic behind is racing along. (Yes, SWT is a big help, but it's not part of the JDK and likely still won't be seen in, say, Limewire any time soon.)

Been ripping movies for free on Linux for ages using transcode and sharing them on limewire.

Senator Hollins showed me how to do this.

Long live digital freedom.

These are of course significant, but I wouldn't call them "apps". "Apps" are word processors, mail clients, web browsers, file-sharing software, etc.; in short: client stuff.

They may lack market share, but there are mail clients, web browsers, file sharing, and numerous word processors available. In fact, if you follow those links you will find a couple of complete office suites written in Java. IBM/Lotus used to offer eSuite, which was an entire office package written in Java. Oracle has a huge marketshare and is very focused on Java/Linux as well.

You may not have personally used any of these programs, but give them a shot before you write off the language. Chances are many people use Java applications with no knowledge that they are doing so (Limewire users come to mind). If the language lacks applications, it is the fault of developers, not the language. That is the point of ESR's letter: there would be much wider use/acceptance of Java if it were open and the incompatibilities between the implementations were fixed.

With the 1.4.2 release we provided two new look and feels for Swing: XP and GTK. Rather than taking a break, in 1.5 we're providing two more look and feels: Synth, a skinnable look and feel, and Ocean, a new theme for Metal.

LimeWire (and other Gnutella clients)

Emule

Soulseek

Blubster

Elf

SuprNova (and other BitTorrent indicies)

Freenet

Earthstation 5

And many others, as well.

can be found here.

Hey Everybody! Go to LIMEWIRE and learn how to get all that Shit fo' FREE!

You haven't heard of LimeWire (a Gnutella client), then? Wow... I can't imagine keeping Windows on a machine just to run a p2p program. (But then, you Linux guys aren't big on ease-of-use, are you? :P)

Trolling? Please. Looks like you're the one trolling.

For your reading enjoyement, I present the Gnutella 0.4 spec: http://www9.limewire.com/developer/gnutella_protoc ol_0.4.pdf. Read the section for QueryHit.

That is the only way to spoof IP. And that is not really spoofing IP. It is basically poisoning the search results.

That's it. I am out. No more responses from me.

Much of what you sait made sense back in the 90's. These days it's a completely different picture.

How hard would it be to install a gnutella client on your Windows, Mac, and *nix boxen?

You know, for an ostensibly geeky audience, this one should have been near the top of the list of responses.

Limewire

Runs on anything, has a decent following, so there's a good chance the song/file/app you're looking for is available.

You're probably referring to mlmac, which is a GUI wrapper around mlnet (formerly mldonkey). Between this, the BitTorrent client, Limewire and the Mac Direct Connect client, Mac users are well served on almost all of the major networks.

Ok. Click here to be sued.

I know after years of not having any money, and using shareware for free, I LOVE that I can afford to pay people who make shareware, and support independent software.

Recent shareware fees paid:

• 10 licenses of the Opera web browser
• A ton of Chank's fonts
• Limewire
• UltraEdit

Whenever I need a program/tool, the first places I look are TinyApps (very small software for Windows), and Tucows.

I sure HOPE it's not just me that's out there doing what I can to support the independent shareware programmers!

Gnutella is broken, as anybody comparing FastTrack to (your choice of Gnutella servant here) can attest. It's slow, downloads have a completion rate that is barely usable, and even advances like swarmed downloads don't work very well. Here, try this.. Kazaa Lite is the clean version of Kazaa. Then try this. Limewire is relatively popular, and wholly commercial.
You can post your findings here.

I've tried Shareaza too, and it's faster and has a nicer interface than the other Gnutella servants. It's not, however, on a level with Kazaa yet.
You'll notice that this whole debate over the legitimacy of Gnutella2 (or Mike's Protocol, as Vinnie likes to call it) has two distinct sides: on the one hand, you've got the COMMERCIAL developers, including Vinnie Falco, LimeWire, and Xolox; on the other hand, you've got Mike Stokes and Gnucleus.

What this article fails to mention is that the registration of Gnutella2.com is the real issue at stake. The commercial interests are pissy because they've been one-upped by an upstart, as they see it.

Gnutella 2 is deservedly named, and clearing away the cruft was the only way to improve Gnutella. Mike Stokes clobbered the adware vendors with Shareaza, and did what they were all afraid to do: start fresh, start clean, and start out on a level with the current state of the art P2P applications currently available. I applaud the guy for having such guts. He registered the name, and he deserves to keep it. F*ck the spyware perpetrators.

limewire

ant

J2ME apps for mobile phones & stuff

NetBeans IDE
LimeWire Gnutella Client

Having a modern, Swing-enabled JVM included with Windows will hopefully lead to even more Java-based applications. Then again, so would a good IDE with a form-builder. NetBeans and Apple's Project Builder do a pretty good job though.

didnt you mention open source limewire on gNet
It is open standard software running on an open protocol, free for the public to use.
advandages over other p2p
>>>>Remote queueing: if an uploader is too busy to handle a download request, it will queue you. The uploader then serves downloads in a first-come, first-serve basis. This feature is compatible with the queueing schemes used by other vendors.
>>>Safer resumes: LimeWire keeps track of the hashes for all incomplete files. This reduces the chance of a corruption when resuming.
>>>Browse host feature--even works through firewalls
>>>Unique "ultrapeer" technology reduces bandwidth requirements for most users
>>>Limewire is written in Java, and will run on Windows, Macintosh, Linux, Sun, and other computing platforms

check out the flash preview here

LimeWire has a decent interface. In fact, I thought it was clean enough to start suggesting we use Swing and switch to Java for our next project. We'll see how that goes...

they would buy advertising on BearShare, LimeWire, Morpheus and the rest.

This is where the most benefit will be realized, isn't it?