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Forty-two Inch Plasma Monitor
An anonymous reader writes "PCstats has a review of what should have been under my Christmas tree - a 42" plasma display from Samsung Since Santa couldn't have possibly brought this monster down the chimney, we'll just have to be satisfied with the review. They even hooked it up to a computer and played games on it...."
But what is the question?
At that size, who needs 3 monitors to display peripheral vision? Reminds me of the 'Wall' that President Scroob was talking to in the bathroom from Spaceballs.
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I hate to troll but...
I dont understand the drool factor of huge tv's...
if you want a biger screen you can buy it wiht enough money... there is no point in looking at these "wonders of technology" if your not going to buy them...
why dont we look at a movie theatere and talk about how cool it would be to spend $1M on a screen and stereo setup...
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that's some tree you've got, if you can fit a 42" screen under it!
Just like the LASER - a solution in search of a problem.
Seriously, that site is pretty poorly designed, it dosn't display right on an 800px screen.
Which, intrestingly is only slightly less then the max horozontal resolution of this screen. Whats the point of a 42 inch plasma screen with such low resolution? Why not just use a projector?
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
Wow... 42" Must be much better for reading Slashdot than my mobile phone....
... for anything I couldn't drive, sleep in, or have sex with.
Until then, there's no point drooling at something that is more stylish, but doesn't have the punch.
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42"!!!
Turd, get over it.
You can forget projector tvs. they are only in the thousands, or perhaps tens of thousands of lumins brightness and it's expensive to get really high res ones.
you can forget crt hugescreens, because they take up a massive volume of space.
LED tvs are huge, but the res and brightness are low.
Big LCDs are pretty good, but not great - bad colour satruation and ghosting are common.
which leaves plasma and oled.
Since oled isn't ready for prime time, you should go see a plasma display someday. just don't touch it, as it gets very hot.
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If you buy a 16:9 television, you're screwed if you want to watch regular TV. You have to compromise - either you get a distorted picture that fills the screen and makes everyone look fat, or you have to live with twin vertical gray bars - with plasma I don't think the bars are an option, so the picture's just stretched to hell. 16:9 televisions are also hell to play video games on - DO NOT HOOK A PS2 TO A 16:9 Television or your games WILL look crappy and aliased, except for GTA3: Vice City, which actually has an option to correct for that. Although 16:9 televisions are good to watch DVDs on, watching anything else, even with an HDTV signal, is murder. Basically, the television buyer of today is in hell. You CAN'T get a decent sized 4:3 tube-based TV anymore - it's all projection, which is BAD to play games on. There are all of these competing standards and stuff - and to make it worse, the true plasma displays are all hideously expensive for their size. If you're buying a new TV, STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM Circuit City - we got ROYALLY shafted there last television purchase. And if you plan on watching TV, stay away from the 16:9 format as well. I think the television market has just gone to hell since the introduction of HDTV. Just my 2 cents.
Now that is something that I'd pay to see.
however it seems that some assembly is required
And that was about a year ago. It's kinda cool, and cost $28,000 for the monitors at the time.
But still, it isn't anything new, and not anything I can justify at home. Prices will have to really drop before I get one; especially with the job market as it is.
even on a saturday night they've been slashdotted.
Seriously though, unless the long promised merger of your pc with your entertainment center finally happens what use is there for a 42 inch monitor of any sort?
i have no problem watching my DirecTV programs on a Sony HDTV, since the sattelite receiver allows you to choose between 16:9 and 4:3 modes.
if you're referring to cable televesion, then those who can afford a 3000$ TV can easily afford a sattelite system.
that's my 2 cents.
I saw a 42" plasma at Costco... I think it might've been the daewoo.
The contrast ratio was absolute garbage - instead of crisp blacks and whites there was muddy whites and grey blacks. Not good. Played with all of the menu settings, didn't do much good.
I wasn't too impressed. I've seen other plasmas that are quite nice, but in the end, I'd rather spend the same amount of cashola on a decent ceiling-mount DLP projector.
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"Nothing strengthens authority so much as silence." - Charles de Gaulle
A 42" screen that I can watch TV on at 640x480. That's only nineteen DPI.
Or, I could play doom on it at less than ten dots per inch!
I wonder what a Doom3 framerate would be at an acceptable resolution for this!? Would you need to pay more for the computer to use this than for the monitor? Does Windows have a "special edition"(seperate $300 license) for this type of display?
You can't judge a book by the way it wears its hair.
Now that your precious OSS has made paid programmers unneccessary, you don't have the money for this because you don't have a JOB! Slinging burritos at Taco Bell won't make the scratch you'll need to get this. You have that student loan to pay off.
Not that I wouldn't like the 42", but Samsung also makes 50 and 63 inch models. The 63" is apparently the world's largest plasma display. it also runs for around $15,000.
Plasma, n. the gaseous state of hot ionized material consisting of ions and electrons and present in the stars and fusion reactors: sometimes regarded as a fourth state of matter distinct from normal gasses.
And now for some usage:
It looks like Slashdot has successfully turned the article's server into plasma
*grin*
IBM had PL/1, with syntax worse than JOSS,
And everywhere the language went, it was a total loss...
I had a 50 inch plasma television for a while but I had to return it. Whenever I watched it for more than a half hour I got a brutal migraine. I found out that plasma displays actually emit very high frequency soundwaves which can cause strain on some people.
If you have a cat or dog, it will normally leave the room if you turn on the plasma display, because they are even more sensitive to high frequency sound waves than we are. I would not recommend anyone buy these devices without testing it for a long period of time to make sure you are not suseptable to strain from watching it.
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My goodness thatz greatzz!!! It even looks terrific on my meahgre 17" CRT!
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Samsung, OTOH, fuking rocks!
We've got JVC projectors at work that can do 1360x1284 (something like that) and compressed 1600x1200. The farther back you move them, the larger the picture gets. Pics of them in action mounted in a rear projection screen.
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Check this site below, its worse than goatse.cx or lemonparty.org... Imagine this pic on the 40" plasma screen
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Why is this guy marked flamebait?
Farkin Slashdot moderators.
To make up for my stoopidity in the parent post, I hereby provide the link to perhaps the best resource on Plasmas on the net. Jeez..../me goes to drink coffee.
Here's a mirror of the review, complete with images. Enjoy!
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[Left Brain]
Great! Now we can watch 10 dozen channels of crap at 3 and an half feet tall.
[Right Brain]
Yeah but there are TWO Matrix's coming out! And then Return of the King!!
[Left]
It's a gazillion dollars!
[Brain]
AND Daredevil AND the Hulk.
[Left]
Yeah but the resolution could be better and we hatesses the MPAA!
[Right]
Look how SMALL Spider-Man is! LEAVE US ALONE!
It's going right in the middle of that wall.
Operator, give me the number for 911!
We here on /. are to pathetic to have anything to do on saturday night.
Seriously though, I would never trust any "merger of my pc and entertainment center" such as the "HP Media Center PC." Just throw a video capture card (the Haupauge PCI TV card works fine w/ v4l) into a Linux box. It is neither difficult nor complicated. It seems like my server does nothing but host some websites and show TV. I recommend mplayer in spite of it playing Stargate in French occasionally.
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Your facts are garbage fucktard.
For a (reletively) mere $2,000, you can get a good, bright projector capable HDTV-like quality at 1280x1024 That gives you a good 3'-25' screen for what, 1/10 the price of that plasma monster?
Repeal the DMCA!
How many /.'ers are going to go out and get one of these babies? Why bother post the review other than a "Here is another toy you'll have to wait 10 years to get" article.
You can buy a good quality DLP projector and screen for a lot less than $10,000, and get better size and resolution to boot. (800x600? Please!)
Up the ante to $15,000 -- the cost of the 63", which is way smaller than any size you'd get out of even the cheapest, lowest resolution projector -- and you're into a really good CRT based projector that will utterly destroy the picture quality of a plasma.
I saw this 50" plasma display during Christmas shopping. Unfortunately, I only had $10,999.98 to spend. :-)
I hate to nitpick, but NTSC pixels are not square. They are 1:1.33 rectangles. That would be 1.08mm x 1.4364mm pixels. Which leads me to wonder how distorted the computer game looked...
--sdem
is limited to 800x600. it's hardly good for any serious computer use. this article's title is very misleading.
At my work we carry Zenith Plasma screens. They have two types of Plasma Monitors. EDTV and HDTV the 40 inch plasma is a normal 4:3aspect ratio and then the 42",50" and 60" are 16:9. The problem is the 40" and 42" are Extended definition or EDTV and not High definition like the 50" and 60". The viewing angle on plasmas is 160 degrees and greater.I feel you can watch a plasma screen just as comfortable at 3 feet away as you can 20. The days of being in a dark room and 30 feet back are over. The complaint of the 16:9 not looking good with the stations broadcast now is just a minor problem because once it all goes High Definition your all ready to go. The Plasma have excellent picture color and the feeling of watching them is the colors are more true and a richer color. The video gets more of a 3D depth to the screen. You can land a 40" for around $4500 or a 50" for $8999.The next issue is the Plasma Tv is a Monitor only and I repeat a monitor only. The problem with this is no speakers so you have to buy a surround sound package to complement the tv. The second major issue is that these are not cable ready no tuner built into this monitor. You have to have like a vcr to watch cable tv. Sataellite right now on directv has 2 HD channels 199 is an all HDTV everything is shot in HD. Channel 509 is a HBO High Def. channel but this have been converted up to HD not actually shot in HD. The next matter is DVD's aren't not High Definition so the DVD quality your getting with your plasma is no where near the quality it is capable of. Yet progressive can dvd players make dvd's look much nicer than the old interlaced ones. Make sure you buy a progrssive scan dvd player. Yes, on the down low they are working on High Defintition DVD players that will have from what I understand about 4-5 lasers on the to pick more information to get the high quality.Back to the Directv there are also a couple pay per view channels in HD. The one big set back was the new sataellite that was getting put up that cost them around 75 million dollars to build blew up in the process. So the bandwidth to broadcast HD will be set back longer than expected. We are looking for HD and Widescreen to be out by 2006-2007.Don't worry they also have a HD receiver out so you can convert your signal to HD for older tv's and for your HD tv's that don't have the integrated HD tuner. This run about $400-700 I hope this gives some information I know on Plasma and some other HD items.
Considering what the conversion rate is between the Canadian dollar and the American, 10,000CND is like what, 500USD?
(this is a joke and should be taken as such... much like your life...)
Here's a winning combo for you: 42 inch TV combined with digital cable. Now not only can you have MORE of the same crap (500+ channels), you can get it BIGGER, too.
I think TV sizes are going the same way as cable channels; more is not necessarily better.
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Don't they use some crazy NTPASECLAMSC format?
Serious burn-in problems
Low fixed resolutions (often 1024x1024 at midrange)
Huge pixel gaps which are horrible from a short distance (especially lower end models)
Poor blue reproduction (especially lower end models)
Often more heat and power than a CRT
They are if you're on enough benadril! Ellen Feiss refference, I preffer Caffeine.
I also have a game that stars Tux and Ellen, among others.
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What do you get if you multiply six by nine?
Dude, that's like $400 US! Sign me up.
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The database boys at my job have a pretty big (though not 42") display that they run DB monitor apps on. Since they're monitor apps, they're on continuously, and the display has them all burned in. From what I hear CRTs are largely burn-proof now, and LCDs always have been. Is this a problem with plasma displays?
The composite video inputs offered the best overall picture which is to be expected, followed by the RCA video connection and S-Video in a distant last place.
This statement worries me, here's why (excerpt from a cnet article):
Composite video
Although the composite-video system was developed for color-TV signals, it doesn't give you a very sharp picture. Composite video was created as a backward-compatible solution for television's transition from black and white to color. It was a fairly clever solution to the problem of how to continue to send the same black-and-white picture to all the old sets and layer color information on top--a composite of those two picture components. The black-and-white sets ignored the color component, while the newer sets separated out the color information and displayed it with the black-and-white picture. This made for a smooth TV transition in the 1950s with low-resolution color TVs. Today, though, sophisticated high-resolution displays show all of the compression artifacts and cross-color (or moiré) blurring that comes with a composite video connection. It's simply impossible to perfectly separate the color and picture information of a composite-video signal. So, if your TV picture isn't sharp enough or the colors blur together, the likely culprit is a composite output signal.
S-Video
S-Video, which was introduced in the 1980s, solved some of the problems that came with composite video. It provides better color separation and a much cleaner signal. S-Video does so by keeping separate the color and picture parts of a composite-video signal. You'll find S-Video ports on most TVs for sale today, but not many people are really taking advantage of them yet. Why is that? Well, take a look at Direct Broadcast Satellite, for example. It starts broadcasting in the composite-video domain, and even though it is a component-video format, the artifacts associated with composite video still show up in the picture.
Component video
Component video improves the picture quality even more by not only separating the color from the black-and-white portions of the picture but by further splitting the color information into two color-difference signals. When the picture signal is split up in this way, you get an unfiltered, uninterrupted image, with better resolution and greatly improved color saturation. And this is why component video is the predominant method of hookup from HDTV set-top decoders to HDTVs.
What most people don't understand is how utterly horrible Plasma televisions are from a technological standpoint.
First. there is the insane problem with burn-in with plasma displays. Plasmas burn in faster than any other display technology. In fact, there is much discussion on the problems that static logos (displayed in the corners of most televisions stations) cause with plasmas. For the same reason, it is absolutely impossible to use a plasma as a computer monitor unless you really want your desktop image, start bar, etc. burned onto the display. Nor is gaming all that favorable considering that most games have at least some static imaging that will cause burn-in if used for any period of time.
Cost is another factor that is horrible with plasmas. Unless you want to spend multiple tens of thousands of dollars, you are not going to find a plasma with HDTV resolutions. Most of these low-end plasmas max out at 800ish pixels width. Seriously, why would anybody spend that much money on a display that can't handle HDTV?
And anybody that has actually compared display technologies knows that plasmas are known for having horrible blacks. You will never find a plasma that can display black as anything other than a shade of grey. That is not acceptable.
The only thing plasma has going for it is 'drool appeal' and thickness.
For a lot less money you can get a DLP projector that:
a) Is much cheaper.
b) Has much higher resolutions, up to HDTV resolution.
c) Is thinner. (Can your plasma roll up?)
d) Doesn't suffer from burn-in.
e) Has much better contrast.
Why would anybody buy a plasma if they actually did ANY research at all into projection systems? And don't tell me replacing projector bulbs is the reason. The money you save buying a projector over a plasma will pay for many decades of bulbs.
What do you get if you multiply six by nine?
54... I dont get it...
A piddly little 42" monitor is nothing compared to the power of the dude in the red suit and his elven magi.
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this link.
Since I was just looking at them last week... ;-)
Scroll down to the bottom for the Plasma Buying Guide
You can compare plasma screen resolutions
Note: NO plasmas have a native resolution of 1920 x 1080 (HDTV) yet. Currently they apply a bilinear filter when showing non-native resolutions.
And check the most popular (Panasonic) choices.
As well as prices and description of said popular models.
The cool part, is if you save $175 for 2 years ($4200), you can afford the 42" Panasonic! ($3900 + $169 shipping, from DTVCity - which are reported to be good vendor.
Cheers
Where does this reviewer get the balls to call a 852x480 display High Definition? A simple line doubler could convert any standard 480i signal to run on this thing, no HDTV receiver (or downsampling) required. And last time I looked, my projection HDTV screen (50% bigger, at about 50% of the cost) has a VGA input as well... And it even came with free speakers!
> Seriously, why would anybody spend that much money on a display that can't handle HDTV?
Because I don't watch TV (at all) so I could care less about HDTV. I watch movies (mpeg2 = 720x480 MAX), and play games (PS2 = 512x448, and PC ~ 1024x768 res)
What's DLP stand for? And what DLP projectors would you recommend?
Cheers
Before I launch into a wildly enthusiastic discussion of DLP, I just want to point out one amusing problem with Plasma TVs. They wont work over 6200 feet of elevation, which is where much of the soutwest US lives. I live at 7000 feet. bummer.
I have a Plus 800x600 DLP projector I use as my movie projector. I got it as a refurb unit for $1000. I normally project a 10 foot wide screen.
I've tried a couple of these things out so let me give you some tips.
First, if you are buying one to watch DVD movies then first DO NOT BUY an XGA or and SXGA model, instead buy the cheaper 800x600 model. Why? because it will look much better. the reason is simple, 800x600 is nearly perfectly matched to the resolution of a dvd. if you get a higher resolution projector, the machine will be forced to interpolate pixels, and this not only looks icky, by when things move in the picture the edges tear with the interlaced interpolation (some expensive interpolators do a slightly better job but they all suck compared to not interpolating). The nice part is it costs lesss for lower resoultion
second, the second most important spec is the contrast ration. get anything below 500:1 and you are wasting your money. You wont really notice the differenence until you see it side by side with a better projector. But what happens is you cant see any texture in dark clothing, hair or bright skies. I have an 800+ and I like it very much. Note because the manufacturer's lie about this spec consider all machines within 20% of the same number to be the same contrast.
third, the next most important spec is noise. Unless you have a way of locking this thing away from you, it's really distracting. get a quite one. For reason's I'm not too certain about it appears the DLP projectors run quieter than the LCD ones. I suspect this is because the DLP chip does not absorb light and thus runs cooler inherently.
fourth, While color saturation of LCDs is marginally better than DLPs, the contrast ratio way out ranks this. One thing you can do to get the best possible color saturation on a DLP is to look for one with a pure three-color wheel rather than a 3-color-plus-white wheel. Sometimes to squeeze more lumens out of these the manufacturers add a white-phase to the primary colors. this reduces the color saturation.
fifth, nearly ALL (not quite all) DLP projectors are made by a single company then re-branded in different cases with different feature sets or color wheels. PLUS is the name of this manufacturer. So dont be too picky about which manufacturer you buy from.
Lumens. THe more the merrier as long as you aren't sacrificing any of the above considerations. I'd say 800 was the minimum number and 1600 is very nice. you can of course make the screen smaller, and only project at nighttime or in a darkened room. Some people use special screens. these can almost double the effective brightness over a white wall. But white walls are actually nicer to work with than screens. screens tend to curl at the edges, cant adjust well to different aspect ratios and can ripple in the breeze (which produces a nice mind bending effect by the way), plus if they aren't fixed mounted they are a hassle.
Source: computers with RGB out put are MASSIVELY better than a DVD player. Dont even think about s-video output. (really, sont even think about it). THe downside with computer projectors is 1) the dvd software/hardware is much less forgiving of scratched dvds and 2) sometimes its hard to get good 5.1 dolby sound out put.
The main downside to DLP projectors over a TV is the lifetime ot the bulb. typcial bulb lifetimes are 1000 or 2000 hours, though you can figure maybe only half of that time will be at full power illumination. bulbs cost 250 - 500 depending on the model. that's plenty of time if all you watch is dvd's but if you want to waste hours and hours on TV shows then that's not a lot. On the other hand the DLP was a lot less cost than the plasma screen, so maybe you should not worry so much.
the good news is that probably by the time your first bulb burns out philips will probably have come out with 10,000 hour bulbs for your model (a few are out now).
So for my money, skip the plasma screen and go with a white wall and a DLP.
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I went into a Gateway store this weekend to check out their 42" plasma screen. They had a display model with a game of Madden 2003 demoing off of a PC. I asked the guy if I could switch it over to TV so I could see what it'd look like with a real feed going to it instead of a computer feed, and was told "No, we don't have any cable signals in the store." What's the point of selling a plasma screen, if you're not going to allow your potential customers to see how things will look for 90% of its use? I walked out the door.
Yes, it's cool. But plasma TV's are not some new invention, and this one doesn't seem to do anything special. Besides, if I was in the market for a plasma, I think I'd go for the Gateway, which is like half the price. Which is still about $2600 more than I would spend on a TV or monitor.
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The current exchange rate of $10,000.00 CDN is $6,376.33 USD courtesy of this site
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While Plasma certainly looks promising, I don't think it's quite "there" yet. Give me a 40" XBR or the 34" XBR over the current Plasma technology.
"As for resolution, a 42" plasma is about 865x480 (WVGA), and cost between $4000 to $6000, "
No, the cost is $3000-$3300 - go to Costco (which someone trashes below) or www.gateway.com.
I liked the Daewoo (is that what is was?) at Costco...certainly superior to any projection set. Is it perfect? Nope. But physically its very nice, and like I said, its way better than the projection TV's.
You were mistaken. Which is odd, since memory shouldn't be a problem for you
Being Canadian and a smartass, I appreciate a good joke. I find that the funniest things are those that are closer to reality. In this light, I am copying an earlier post related to the exchange rate.
The current exchange rate of $10,000.00 CDN is $6,376.33 USD courtesy of this link.
Now that's Funny!
I've never formally measured the frequency, but I'm one of those unlucky people to be really sensitive to the high pitched whine that most every television/monitor I've ever seen emits when turned on. It's even worse when a tube is about to go south, I almost can't stand it. Oddly enough, a lot of people I've talked to have no idea what I mean, they can't hear a thing. But ever since I was in grade school (at least), I've been able to tell if a TV is turned on even with my eyes closed and the volume muted.
I'll tell you, walking into an appliance store is a real challenge, with all the noise the wall of 200 TVs gives out. Now, I've never isolated a plasma screen by itself, but I usually can tell by how close I am to something just what it is that's making the noise - and plasma screens don't do it for me. This is one reason I'm anxiously awaiting the prices to drop - watching television is somewhat of a pain in the head for me.
I'm curious, do you know just how high a frequency a plasma display emits? And are you yourself sensitive to normal CRTs?
Endless arguments over trivial contradictions in books written by ignorant savages to explain thunder in the dark.
is my server, with Xfree "zoomed in" to 640x480, the NTSC spec.
You can't judge a book by the way it wears its hair.
Sales people seem to be the only people in the world incapable of reading the body language that screams, "Get the hell away from me!"
That's prolly why they end up doing sales. They don't actually have to help you to get their commission. I may not want to help them, but a good customer in their eyes. I usually know exactly what I want and where to find it. Quick and easy for the salesdroid.
I've found that if you state exactly what you're looking for in precise language, they just tell you they don't carry it and then leave you in peace until you find it and the other stuff you're browsing for. It's important to be intimidating so have a good 2-3 minute spiel with no choices, just specs in it.
they would buy advertising on BearShare, LimeWire, Morpheus and the rest.
This is where the most benefit will be realized, isn't it?
I got the hitachi cpsx5500. Its $5000for true SXGA (1365x1024). [note that the viewsonic mentioned above is only XGA 1024x768].
The hitachi is really great. Super bright and about 8 feet across. Its so much better than a plasma screen I am sad for people duped into buying them.
do not exist. NTSC is an analog format.
It is common to digitize NTSC with 320 to 720
pixels per line. Natively, NTSC has some pretty
weird features. You get high-resolution for
brightness, medium resolution for one color axis,
and low resolution for the other color axis.
Certain frequencies must be filtered out to
avoid vertical lines (a pin-stripe suit or a
picket fence) from getting rainbow colors.
There going to pay 6,376.33 USD to a Canadien reseller wich as to ship it to them
whats the funny profit aiku slashdot people are so fund of
1) Buy imported product from Asia
2) Sell it back for 5000$ more then what the product is worth in USD no less to stupid US people
3)Profit
4) watch american go to war because thats the only thing that can save them from the recession they are in
Now thats funny!
That's the way it started with me.
Back in the early 80s, I couldn't go near one of the dumb terminals at work, the high pitch it was emitting was intolerable.
Ten years later, the pitch became a constant companion.
One of the indicators of a hearing disorder is hyperacuity, a sensitivity to sounds.
It is something you can get used to, but it still sucks.
Get a hearing test done. Mention your sensitivity to high pitch sounds. Protect yourself, if possible.
I was just reading the 'cure' for a burned-in image on Apple's support area. The cure was to leave a white rectangle up (filling the screen) for the same length of time the image that is 'burned' onto the screen was displayed (which causes the burn)
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Heh, aggressive commission-hunters suck. Recently, I went to Fry's with four friends, and we shared the same shopping cart. I stopped a salesman just long enough to order up a SCSI drive, only to have him start scanning everything in our cart the moment I took my eyes off of him. By the time we got to the cash register, it became a bitch since the cashier was now demanding that everything was paid with a single check - after all, everything was now written up on the same ticket. In order for each of us to pay separately, we had to track down that specific salesman and have him manually remove ticket items.
Ooh, I was so pissed. Actually, I'm still pissed... enough to say who - his name was James [can't remember his last name].
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This was really cool when he put it in in the mid 1990s, but now it's kind of dated.
Whoa. These things fail?
I don't remember his numbers, but it sounded to me that a non-trivial number of pixels would be gone within a few years; and the droid also mentioned that plasma pixels tend to fail a scan line at a time.
Can anybody shed some light on how/if/why plasma panel screens fail? I'd hate to plunk down some serious buckage just to have the thing start looking nasty in a couple years.
I don't want to be a pioneer here. You can tell the pioneers: they're the ones with the arrows in their backs.
Is this thing on? Hello?
from the first-post-power dept.
FPs are on topic now. Moderate Accordingly.
The question, of course, is "how big of a plasma screen should I get?"
Forty two inches is a big tv
That monitor would be some geek's wet dream
Big enough to make any nerd happy
This is starting to sound very obscene
But really, who needs a screen that's that big?
Such monitors are really overkill
and who affords that? Capitalist pig!
Dig, this whole trip makes me feel somewhat ill.
Still, it is quite impressive that such things
can be; it's a long way from cathode tubes.
Hell, I'm still using an old CRT
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Don't give me none of this "nature theme" business.
Pretty much none of the Southwestern US is at 7,000 feet... or 6,200 feet for that matter. I'm from the Rockies. Denver, the "Mile High City", is a nice and tidy 5,280 feet at the capital steps. I went to school in Laramie, WY... home of the "highest law school in the country" (referring to elevation, of course). Laramie is at 7,200 foot, nestled comfortably in the Rocky Mountains.
Even if what you're saying is correct about the 6,200 feet limit (and I really doubt it is, given your grasp of elevation), still far less than 1% of the US population could possibly be affected.
Personally, I've had my LCD projector (which doesn't quite have the blacks that DLP has, but the lumens for the price was quite nice) for almost a year now. I go into these electronic stores, look at these "big screen tv's" and wonder how anybody can watch movies on anything so small. LoTR on a 100" screen. Now that's home theater!
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What do you get if you multiply 6" by 9"?
I don't really trust a review that: A: Doesn't talk about the longevity problems with plasma displays (they have circuitry built in to compensate for the wearing out display elements, but it only lasts so long, some folks say ~3 years, but I'd say that's pessimisting) B: Says the S-Video input had WORSE picture quality as compared to Composite. Sure, it could be a problem with this particular display model, but they didn't even comment on how *strange* that is. The whole thing is fishy.
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Didn't we find a problem for it by having sharks lacking frickin' laser beams attached to their heads? Well, laser is the solution. (Sorry, I know it's horrible, but I made a promise to myself to post at least once every 3 months)
Actually, NTSC is analog and does not actually have pixels. If a pixelized source is converted to NTSC you might get 720x525 interlaced.
It is not fair to say that is the resolution; an analog signal can carry more information than a converted digital one.
The future of video is digital.
If you go all out on your setup, you do not
want a superfluous digital -> analog and a
analog -> digital conversion step.
The MPEG2 stream is digital, your graphics
card is digital, your TIVO is digital, the
plasma screens are digital. Why no DVI input?
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A low priced projector will put a much bigger and higher resolution (not interpolated 1024x768 or 800x600 the low end ones) on a wall and will cost 1/4 of a plasma screen.
Moreover, looks like when a plasma screen breaks the amount of money to repair it will be enormous or so.
To be honest, projectors have their weakness too. Their lamps last 1000->4000 hours before breaking, and are expensive (hundred $$). Someone says they can be replaced by much cheaper halo lamps, but I've no info about it (links welcome!).
as in Television or NTSC(640x480) for nerds like us. I was not talking about the max that the screen could handle.
/.ed, I had to use the pythagorean therom rather than porportioning width and height. If you "knew what you were talking about", you would've caught that.
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Oh, they're called videowalls?
Why is this news, larger plasma displays have been around for over a year. This is better suited as something to watch video on rather than a monitor.
the question?
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One HUGE downside to plasmas is they're just like old monitors -- they BURN IN BADLY. Go take a trip to Hartfield airport sometime in the delta terminal where they have several plasma displays in use for only a year or two, and they have hooorrrriiibbllleee discoloration where the persistant images were. They're no good for PC use.
I use my PC at 1280x768(native res of the screen) on my 50inch Pioneer PDP-50 for playing games all the time. And I only paid £5000 for it over a year ago.
DLP = Digital light processing. A technology invented, or at least commercialized, by Texas Instruments, I believe. See www.dlp.com or something.
Oh, and I really don't think the PS2 uses a 512-pixel wide resolution. Some games might, but it's certainly not the only resolution handled by the PS2, and I'd actually be surprised if it's the default, or even the most common.
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The reviewer goes on and on about the speakers to the point of redundancy redundancy redundancy.
One thing the reviewer mentioned was a restricted number of colors (16.7 million) versus other displays. I would have liked to read more about that, and maybe see a comparison shot to illustrate that point.
Overall, a good review with plenty of pictures to satisfy the visual need of guys who like to see stuff they're interested in buying.
Last time I checked, this VGA connection to my monitor wasn't digital either. Yet, I'm pretty sure that it has pixels. And what are those tiny little colored dots on the TV screen, anyway?
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I have seen noticable "tearing" on XGA projectors even when runoff of a Computer. I suppose it varies with the software being used. If all you have is an XGA projector you might not have clued into the effect yet. If you set your projector up not to rescale the incoming image, and then set your computer up to use only an 800 x600 output you will see that the display is much more crisp. (re-zoom it back to the original size before you compare of course). One easy place to spot the effect is in scrolling large crisp text, like movie credits often are. the edges of the letters boil when shown in XGA mode due to the interlace interpolation. Also moving sharp edges, like a slamming car door on screen, especially black ones get jagged. This is caused by the line doubling algorithms. and as you say it may very some with different software.
That being said, this advice is appropriate mainly to DVD projection and regular TV but not to HDTV. there you will like having an XGA since you can use it un line doubled.
The problem with this is you need a much brighter projector to show a DVD at its native (un line doubled resolution). This is because you are effectively wasting the light that would have gone to the pixels you have turned off.
So one solution is to get a bulb that is twice as bright, then buy an XGA with a zoom lens. you can use native mode 800x600 for the DVD, and XGA for the HDTV. problem is this is expensive on both accounts of high power, bulb life and xga.
I dont know what fraction of the population lives there. But anything that affects even a percent of the us population would mean that perhaps 1 in 100 slashdot readerd might be affected. Certainly every slashdot reader in Mexcico city is affected.
sir, you are a doofus
I've been drooling over these.
I'd sell my soul for the 60 inch 1280x720.
Maybe one day I will...
It's the electron beam sweeping across the screen to make the picture. LCDs, Plasma screens etc. don't have that, so they don't make that sound:
NTSC: 525 scanlines * 60 Hertz / 2 (interlacted) = 15,75kHz
PAL: 576 scanlines * 50 Hertz / 2 (interlaced) = 14,4kHz
Of course here I have one widescreen TV (not HDTV though) that's silent for some reason and one 100Hz PAL TV (= 28,8kHz) so I don't really have a problem with it, though I can hear that high frequencies usually...
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I saw a 42" plasma Sampo at our Costco. I think it was about $3K
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screendoor effect is a result of lcd projectors, not dlp projection. dlp does not have visible pixels.
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Actually below 6,230 feet they fail as well. In Albuquerque (and Denver I assume) at a mile up, they tend to fail after about a year of use or so, which is when some of them go out of warranty! W00P!
'tis not the beam. It's the transformer that produces the high voltage needed to drive it. It's initially pretty tight packed, but with age the ferrite cores and their spacers become a bit loose and make a much louder noise.
Huh? I was in a Best Buy in Santa Fe last week and they had plenty of plasma screens on display.
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"The image quality is just luscious, and if you can forget about the nearly ten thousand dollar (CDN) price tag for a moment, there is virtually no downside to this display."
So, I guess that's around US$6000-7000? How does that compare to Gateway's $3000 42" Plasma screen? It might be better, but is it twice as good? I checked one out briefly at the local cow store and it looked comparable to the plasmas I've been drooling over for years at the local high-end AV place.
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Hi I'm the floor manager in an appliance store in albuquerque NM, and I can confirm that Plasma screens are waranteed over 6200 feet of elevation.
I can also believe you were the highest person at laramie, but sad to say there are colleges an universitties in new mexico and arizona that are higher than your geographically impaired university.
Finally the only other factual statement you made is also wrong. There are literally millions of people living at elevations over 6200 feet.
My guess is that you usually think appliance store staff are idiots who know little about what they sell. there's a reason for this, but its not what youthink. When a know -it-all prick comes into the store and starts lording it over the sales staff, pretending to know so much, we always make it a point to try to sell you the worst peice of crap we have in the store. Plus we always play dumb, and give out illogical adivice just to see how far we can yet chumps like you to go on and on about what experts you are. its really sort of a game.
err... oops, make that I can confirm the sets as NOT waranteed over 6200 feet. they are waranteed up to 6200 feet.
It gives a 4:3 viewing image of 20 something inches? No thanks. Too small. Why spend 6k when you can spend 2k and get a really nice 50 some inch 4:3 hd ready tv?
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Plasma is lousy for a monitor. It's good for TV though.
LCD is much better for a monitor. Too pricey for a large TV.
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Those are the resolutions that I use on my own equipment.
That said; I would love a cave system in addition to a write-on-screen for my iBook and a backpack refridgerator to brink caffeine on the go....
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> Oh, and I really don't think the PS2 uses a 512-pixel wide resolution. Some games might, but it's certainly not the only resolution handled by the PS2, and I'd actually be surprised if it's the default, or even the most common
One of the popular PS2 games actually uses 512 resolution. I forget which one: Metal Gear Solid, GT3, or ICO. I'll boot them up on the Dev TOOL and see if I can find anything out. I believe the most popular is an interlaced 640x224 for a 640x448 res. (PS2 can't do a true 480 res.)
There is no 'default' resolution on the PS2. You just set the registers directly (or just use one of the Sony sceGs*() calls. I can't give the exact func name, NDA and all.) Since you only have 4 megs of VRAM total for framebuffer(s), z-buffer, and textures, you're resolution is limited. Width has to be a multiple of 16, and other restrictions don't help.
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I've got a Hitachi 42" plasma and it does 1024 x 768 perfect. I just plug it in to a switch box and when I want to play battlefield 1942 I throw the switch. It's mounted right about my monitor. Most of the time I use it for as 4 TV's (split screen) to watch all the news shows at the same time.
It's the coolest thing I've ever owned and was under $4k so I thought it was finally resonable.
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> Lots of good advice on front projectors, but I take issue with this one. Higher resolution is in general better. The problem of not matching dvd resolution is not an issue if you have an htpc, which it sounds like you do.
No, it's a problem with the bilinear filtering in plasmas, that ironically make the lower resolution better for watching movies.
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I can't give the exact func name, NDA and all.
:) And I also think 640x448 interlaced is the most common. It's what we're currently using, for instance.
That's OK, I can look it up at work, too.
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