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I think that's an excellent lesson in the difference between the first amendment and sponsered speech.

You're wrong, because you're stupid.

You'll notice in your example the principal exercised prior restraint in a publication

Prior Restraint : governmental prohibition imposed on expression before the expression actually takes place

Die in a pool of your own shit, you faggot bitch.

he controls the funding for in a venue he controls the discipline for.

Fuck you x5. Did you fucking READ GigsVT post? You're a fucking moron. Read it again, then choke and die, fuckwit.

A similiar example would be "Air America" where the government controls the funds and employees. This is not covered by the "freedom of press".

Air America? You think the government controls the funds and the employees if Air America radio? You are almost the stupidest fucking moron alive and I hope you die real soon now.

If a policeman, acting as an agent of the government, had come in and insisted you not publish an article on sex, that would be a free press issue.

bwahahahahahaha. Fuck you up the fucking ass you fucking moron dickhead piece of shit.

Sounds like you had a learning opportunity and you failed the lesson.

Pot - Kettle - Nigger.

look at the 60% election turn out, it's obvious that the 'insurgents' do not represent the views of the majority.

So to call them "minutemen" (a la Michael Moore) is so obviously wrong it's sad.

so now, they are by definition: insurgents

remember, The Islamists' chief spokesman in Iraq, Musab al-Zarqawi was very straightforward: "We have declared a fierce war on this evil principle of democracy and those who follow this wrong ideology," Zarqawi declared in a statement. "Democracy is also based on the right to choose your religion," he said, and that is "against the rule of God."

if he spoke for the "people" they wouldn't've shown up like they did.

now imagine how many more would've shown up if they weren't threatened with execution and hanging and torture of their family(ies).

read bernard goldberg's books, if you dont' think there is (left) bias in those other networks you're just as biased.

remember, corporate != conservative

"..All, more or less. Look at how all of those channels let the White House get away with things that had Clinton done it the Republicans would have howled about endlessly. ..." examples?

I meant definition 3. Granted that Kevin Rose didn't just change software but a whole board and architecture (and granted again that it was toward Windows from Mac and x86 from PPC/whatever Apple use now), but it's sad that hacker has such a negative stigma now; I'd love to be called one. (Definition 3 anyway.)

Wrong.

Ass.

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Diction ary&va=sith&x=0&y=0

i was just using the author's metric. he didn't seem to include osx in his list of possible choices. also, it would be tricky for him to run it on a celeron. perhaps i should have said that it wouldn't count for him.

on a side note, when you [sic] someone, please make sure you're not the one making the mistake.

...then it wasn't efficient, by definition

Your definition of efficiency is too broad. You're basically equating efficiency with survivability. I'm defining efficiency the way it's used in the English language: the ratio of the useful energy delivered by a dynamic system to the energy supplied to it. While you could argue that a system that fails is not efficient because all energy put into it would be lost, that would make the word "efficient" cover too many meanings, rendering it meaningless.

What could be geekier than updating software on a W95 box?

Biting the head off of a live chicken? Or is that redundant?

If abortion is legal, then it is by definition not murder. What you are trying to say is that you would like to define it as murder, thus making it illegal.

Definition of steal:

From Merriam-Webster dictionary

Main Entry: steal

intransitive senses
1 : to take the property of another wrongfully and especially as an habitual or regular practice
2 : to come or go secretly, unobtrusively, gradually, or unexpectedly
3 : to steal or attempt to steal a base

transitive senses
1 a : to take or appropriate without right or leave and with intent to keep or make use of wrongfully b : to take away by force or unjust means c : to take surreptitiously or without permission d : to appropriate to oneself or beyond one's proper share : make oneself the focus of
2 a : to move, convey, or introduce secretly : SMUGGLE b : to accomplish in a concealed or unobserved manner
3 a : to seize, gain, or win by trickery, skill, or daring b of a base runner : to reach (a base) safely solely by running and usually catching the opposing team off guard

Nowhere in the definition do I see the criterion of "and you can't use it". Nor does "economic harm" appear. You are correct, words do mean things. It appears finding out what rather common words like "steal" mean would be a fruitful exercise for you.

Furthermore, even using your own personal standard of denied use, when material is copied to file sharing networks Sony can no longer exercise its right to control distribution.

From Merriam Webster Dictionary

Main Entry: steal

intransitive senses
1 : to take the property of another wrongfully and especially as an habitual or regular practice
2 : to come or go secretly, unobtrusively, gradually, or unexpectedly
3 : to steal or attempt to steal a base

transitive senses
1 a : to take or appropriate without right or leave and with intent to keep or make use of wrongfully b : to take away by force or unjust means c : to take surreptitiously or without permission d : to appropriate to oneself or beyond one's proper share : make oneself the focus of
2 a : to move, convey, or introduce secretly : SMUGGLE b : to accomplish in a concealed or unobserved manner
3 a : to seize, gain, or win by trickery, skill, or daring b of a base runner : to reach (a base) safely solely by running and usually catching the opposing team off guard

By unlawfully disseminating Sony content you have stolen it. You have also taken away, in that they don't have it anymore, their rightful ability to control it's distribtion.

real (3, adverb): VERY (he was real cool -- H. M. McLuhan)
usage Most handbooks consider the adverb real to be informal and more suitable to speech than writing. Our evidence shows these observations to be true in the main, but real is becoming more common in writing of an informal, conversational style. It is used as an intensifier only and is not interchangeable with really except in that use.

but do most of them contain grammer this horrific? The linked article read more like a stream of consciousness e-mail (a poorly written one at that) than a published piece of literature.

How 'bout dictionaries? :-)

To compare the two is so rediculous I can't even come up with a better word than "rediculous".

Try ridiculous.

The grammar/spelling Nazi strikes again.

To compare the two is so rediculous I can't even come up with a better word than "rediculous".

Try ridiculous.

Speaking of which...

Symantec: Software company best known for the Norton family of products.
Semantics: The study of meanings in a language.

Lawrence H. Summers, speaking Friday at an economic conference, also questioned how great a role discrimination plays in keeping female scientists and engineers from advancing at elite universities.

Gender is a phyisical condition.

Gender is "the behavioral, cultural, or psychological traits typically associated with one sex* The word "gender" explicitly excludes the physical characteristics of human sexuality.

My point is not to be pedantic, but to point out that our ideas of what is "male" and "female" extend beyond anatomy. There are many social and cultural aspects to the sexes.

( * Except in the linguistic sense, in which "gender" refers to the difference between masculine and feminine nouns and articles. See linked definition.)

I repeat: "And that's not obscure?"

useful != not obscure

Please consult the definition of obscure to understand my intent. #3 is the best fit for what i'm trying to convey, "relatively unknown" versus "useless" or anything similar.

I have no doubt that it's useful to somebody (otherwise IBM et al would have no interest in it), but that doesn't make it any less obscure. Most organizations will throw another box on the line instead of parallelizing / virtualizing the OS, it's just Easier(TM). It might be more secure to set up different VMs, but that's probably trickier than setting up another box and slapping a firewall in between. Also, if an org is running several apps on a single box they should already understand the security implications of doing so, and that's their choice to make.

Just for curiosity's sake, what separate purposes do system file flags, ACLs and SELinux templates serve? Never worked with it, have no idea what they are beyond the generic sense...

Easier is a registered trademark meaning "how we've done it forever, and we're not going to change because change is bad".

condescention[sic]

Look it up, Brainiac. That's how it's spelled. You know, the noun conjugation of condescend.

That's okay, the condescention[sic] was lagniappe.

Lagniappe is a noun. Why are you attempting to use it as an adjective? (I won't even bother explaining to you what a Lagniappe is; you wouldn't believe me. Just take it on faith that even if you had used correct grammar, you'd still be out in left field.)

I note that you're still totally unable to answer my simple question: can you or can you not provide me an example of a c89 compiler which strips comments in the lexer? GotW is smarter than either of us; they're quite correct, and until you show me a c89 or better compiler which behaves otherwise, you're remaining on the clueless peg.

That's three messages in a row you've written a whole tirade without answering the question. Doesn't it embarrass you to be this pathetically obviously evasive?

If we're talking about the business about the TEXT and DATA segments, since standards are your big deal here, can you cite anything in the ANSI standard that says the TEXT segments must be combined as you suggest?

I never suggested any such thing, and TEXT and DATA have nothing do do with at what point in the compilation the comments are removed. You're just making things up.

By the way, C doesn't actually specify that there are TEXT and DATA segments at all; that's a Unix convention. C doesn't even require a lnkscript. When you get into embedded programming you'll maybe find this out. This reminds me of those people which insist bytes are eight bits, etc.

Some years ago, I did some work for DARPA on trustworthy C compilation

I don't believe you. Luckily, since I actually do have such ties, it's relatively easy for me to look people up. What was the project number, and what was your project UID? It won't give me your name; the entire purpose of a UID is to allow you to safely identify your work without identifying yourself.

You really shouldn't lie about things like this; eventually you'll bump into somoene which really does secure government contracting, and they'll ask you for procedural details which you cannot provide. I'm sure, though, that you'll either ignore the question or pretend there's no such thing as a work UID.

and one of the things we discovered was that there are LOTS of places where you can't make assumptions about the standard just because it was what you were used to.

Oh man, this makes my head hurt. You can't make any assumptions about a document which puts things into concrete terms? That doesn't make any sense. How could you possibly assume a part of a standards document? Either it's there or it isn't.

I haven't made any assumptions; you've made dozens, and ignored my requests for reference. Make this sort of handwavery all you want; you're transparently clueless.

As far as "significant faults in standards compliance", look at the dates I'm talking about, son. C89 was a 1989 standard, and I'm talking about 1979. Those compilers didn't fail to comply with the standard in 1979-84 because it would be five years before the standard was promulgated.

(sigh)

As any experienced C programmer knows, there were virtually no standards-compiliant C compilers before c89. The issue is not whether the C compiler adheres to the 1989 standard; the issue is whether the C compiler is new enough to be standards compliant at all. Again, I remind you that the standard is in strict defiance of your claims, and that all you have to do is either show me a passage in the standard which supports you or a compiler which supports you.

Make all the excuses about the examples I'm requesting being ill targeted that you like; the burden of proof is on you, not me, and you've been evading that burden as hard as you can.

Even one example would do. Do you have one?

In this business, 1979

This is too stupid to mock.

Also, "idiom" isn't the right word. Phrase or joke might work better.

Ahh, yes, semantics. I guess it's only to be expected that a conversation about law would fall to it. We can go that route, if you like. In legalese it is considered a "breach", correct. But simply put, "illegal" is used quite broadly in common parlance and, as I understand it, doesn't fit perfectly with any of the more specifically honed legal jargon.

Since you can't provide a legal cite

For someone so hung up on semantics, you can't seem to grasp first order logical and related concepts. Just because I didn't provide a cite, doesn't mean that I can't or couldn't. Frankly, your point didn't seem worth the effort, but now at the end of a long work day and with you insisting on your somewhat lacking point, I'll bite.

I'll offer you the opportunity to point to any authoritative lay source which refers to contract breach as "illegal."

So, you yourself accept that it's an issue of common usage. Therefore, I'd first point to common language definitions of the word "illegal": first, from webster's:

[adj] not according to or authorized by law : UNLAWFUL,

and then from:hyperdictionary:

[adj] prohibited by law or by official or accepted rules

So then one is forced admit that it hinges on just what "law" is. Wikipedia states:

Law is the formal codification of customs which have achieved such acceptance as become the enforced norm. The process of acceptance is accelerated by the existence of legislative bodies which seek to impose laws.

Law involves the legislation and regulation of statutes; as well as the resolution of disputes. In the civil law system codification is also an attempt to structure the law according to fundamental ethical principles to create a sense of order and simplicity that all members of society can comprehend,

Going further, with the understanding the the legal system in the United States is based upon the British Common Law system, we look to the area of law that is Civil Law, specifically, the contract law, which owes its existence to concept known as the Law of Obligations :

The Law of Obligations seeks to organize and regulate the voluntary and semi-voluntary legal relations available between moral and natural persons under as (1) obligations under contracts, both innominate and nominate (for example: sales, gift, lease, carriage, mandate, association, deposit, loan, employment, insurance, gaming and arbitration), (2) in unjust enrichment, (3) management of the property of another, (4) the reception of the thing not due and (5) the various forms of extra-contractual responsibility between persons known as delicts and quasi-delicts.

Going further, the Legal Information Institute at Cornell University has much to say about contract law but specifically:

Contracts are promises that the law will enforce.

Therefore, it seems clear that inasmuch as a contract is a promise enforceable by law, and that contracts are regulated by a specific area of law, and that failing to fulfill the duties required by a legal contract have penalties enforceable by law, breaking a contract is going against the law, inasmuch as it's going against the specific, accepted rules of contracts, as understood through contract law. This is similar to other things that are held to be contrary to law (be it civil or criminal law such as murder) inasmuch as the law has systematic methods for the prescription of remedies for

"Effects.": What do you think an effect is? From Mirriam-Webster 6 plural : movable property : GOODS Whereabouts said vehicle is a personal effect. Douchebag.

gratuitous 2 : not called for by the circumstances : UNWARRANTED

I'm not trying to sell you on the movie (which ties with "Chasing Amy" for my all time favorite), but all of the violence in "Fight Club" was integral to the plot; none of it was gratuitous.

"I wanted to destroy something beautiful."

-Peter

Iceburg". Interesting. Very interesting. You want your -1 now or later?

check this out it might help you not look like an idiot in the future.

Whose property has been taken?
Apple's.

Are you claiming that information is property?
It can be.

On what basis do you make that claim?

"property." Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary. 2005. http://www.merriam-webster.com (8 Jan. 2005).

1 a : a quality or trait belonging and especially peculiar to an individual or thing b : an effect that an object has on another object or on the senses c : VIRTUE 3 d : an attribute common to all members of a class

2 a : something owned or possessed; specifically : a piece of real estate b : the exclusive right to possess, enjoy, and dispose of a thing : OWNERSHIP c : something to which a person or business has a legal title d : one (as a performer) under contract whose work is especially valuable

3 : an article or object used in a play or motion picture except painted scenery and costumes

"steal." Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary. 2005. http://www.merriam-webster.com (8 Jan. 2005).

1 : to take the property of another wrongfully and especially as an habitual or regular practice

2 : to come or go secretly, unobtrusively, gradually, or unexpectedly

3 : to steal or attempt to steal a base

transitive senses

1 a : to take or appropriate without right or leave and with intent to keep or make use of wrongfully b : to take away by force or unjust means c : to take surreptitiously or without permission d : to appropriate to oneself or beyond one's proper share : make oneself the focus of

2 a : to move, convey, or introduce secretly : SMUGGLE b : to accomplish in a concealed or unobserved manner

3 a : to seize, gain, or win by trickery, skill, or daring b of a base runner : to reach (a base) safely solely by running and usually catching the opposing team off guard

Stealing is when you deprive someone of property

Sorry. I'm afraid I don't see anything resembling your definition. What the article describes does seem to fit definition 1.

1 : to select by lot and kill every tenth man of
2 : to exact a tax of 10 percent from
3 a: to reduce drastically especially in number
3 b: to destroy a large part of

Just for everyone who didn't know. :)
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Diction ary&va=decimate&x=0&y=0

Yeah, I agree. Maybe they are hurting for things to call vaporware though. I mean they say that TiVoToGo was released on January 3rd, so they called it vaporware for 2004. 3 days late...

I always thought that vaporware implied that the product either didn't exist, or wasn't even close to shipping. So taking a product from non-existent to shipping in 3 days is quite a feat.

Then again (and it surprised me to see a definition for this already) Merriam-Webster defines vaporware as a new computer-related product that has been widely advertised but is not yet available . But even by that definition, TiVoToGo would not be vaporware since it has been shipped before the article was written. Ah well... now I'm just getting to the point of splitting hairs I guess.

Since you seem to be questioning your spelling, I'll let you know a little secret - virii isn't a word. I believe the word you're looking for is viruses.

Oh, and here is the correct spelling of hypothetically.

Since you seem to be questioning your spelling, I'll let you know a little secret - virii isn't a word. I believe the word you're looking for is viruses.

Oh, and here is the correct spelling of hypothetically.

decimal is both a an ordinal and a system

We commonly use the decimal decimal system.

Generally you denote using something other than decimal in decimal.

There are 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

Makes me curious where you got yours

I got mine from Merriam-Websters online dictionary. http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Diction ary&va=fascism&x=0&y=0

but what the hell is a "kerfuffle"?

Seriously, why not check a dictionary?

Main Entry: kerfuffle
Pronunciation: k&r-'f&-f&l
Function: noun
Etymology: alteration of carfuffle, from Scots car- (probably from Scottish Gaelic cearr wrong, awkward) + fuffle to become disheveled
chiefly British : DISTURBANCE, FUSS

By referring to Stallman's "defenders", you're implicitly admitting that he is being attacked. And yet you call the defenders "hostile" ?

Wwe don't want to talk about that kind of thing around here, what ever would RMS think of us.

Anyhow, I thought that websters law applied, as the poster clearly doesn't know what the word visionary means.

A quote from Webster's online, www.m-w.com,
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Diction ary&va=torture&x=0&y=0
Main Entry: 1torture
Pronunciation: 'tor-ch&r
Function: noun
Etymology: French, from Late Latin tortura, from Latin tortus, past participle of torquEre to twist; probably akin to Old High German drAhsil turner, Greek atraktos spindle
1 a : anguish of body or mind : AGONY b : something that causes agony or pain
2 : the infliction of intense pain (as from burning, crushing, or wounding) to punish, coerce, or afford sadistic pleasure
3 : distortion or overrefinement of a meaning or an argument :

For example:

I have a suggestion for the next /code release: add a feature to the code that will scan the comments after they are submitted and [searches] search for grammatical errors. When an error is found, the incorrect word would be then shown in red in brackets, and a correct word would be put outside of the brackets with a link to the dictionary.

(Sorry, can't change font color, so pretend the bold word above is red..)

Merriam-Webster disagrees.

One entry found for momentarily.
Main Entry: momentarily
Pronunciation: "mO-m&n-'ter-&-lE
Function: adverb
1 : for a moment
2 archaic : INSTANTLY
3 : at any moment : in a moment

the Gambia, the Niger, the Sudan, the Yemen, and the Ukraine

I had the same reaction. Then I looked it up in what I consider the canon of the American dialect of the English language.

There goes the neighborhood.

-Peter

I had the same reaction. Then I looked it up in what I consider the canon of the American dialect of the English language.

There goes the neighborhood.

-Peter

From Merriam Webster:
1 : in a literal sense or manner : ACTUALLY
2 : in effect : VIRTUALLY
usage Since some people take sense 2 to be the opposite of sense 1, it has been frequently criticized as a misuse. Instead, the use is pure hyperbole intended to gain emphasis, but it often appears in contexts where no additional emphasis is necessary.

The word literal began to suck some time ago. ;)

You must seriously be kidding (as retarded as that sounds). From the Merriam-Webster website found here.

Republic- (1) : a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president (2) : a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government b (1) : a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law

I don't mean to be rude, because you're right... we are slowly progressing towards similar governments. But let's not confuse things further.

Respectfully.....

If you say so

Speaking as a big coffee fan and former Minnesotan who has patronized both Starbucks and Caribou, I can attest to that.

In fact, after patronizing them (definition 3), I now often patronize them (definition 2).

There is better coffee to be had!

Indeed you can except [2, v] it, if you'd use Openoffice.org.</pedant>

Second is the name. It needs to change. This is not about being PC, it's about reaching out to as many people as possible, and getting them to try out the GIMP. Will universities ever teach classes in a program that's called 'the gimp?' Will companies ever take seriously an employee who says that he wants to install 'the gimp' on his computer? Y'all have to have gotten the same weird looks as me when you've suggested that people try 'the gimp'. Have you ever told it to someone who uses a cane or crutches or is in a wheelchair?

If you have, you probably felt like a real jerk right after it slipped out of your mouth.

Well, as a non-native speaker, I never knew the word "gimp" had a meaning in the English language. Just looked up m-w.com... gimp means cripple, but it also means spirit and, curiously, vim (which is also a word!).

If you feel bad saying "gimp" as ['gimp], I suggest you to pronunce the "g" as in "ginger", making it ['jimp]. I've already heard people saying it like that; it's not that weird.

Second is the name. It needs to change. This is not about being PC, it's about reaching out to as many people as possible, and getting them to try out the GIMP. Will universities ever teach classes in a program that's called 'the gimp?' Will companies ever take seriously an employee who says that he wants to install 'the gimp' on his computer? Y'all have to have gotten the same weird looks as me when you've suggested that people try 'the gimp'. Have you ever told it to someone who uses a cane or crutches or is in a wheelchair?

If you have, you probably felt like a real jerk right after it slipped out of your mouth.

Well, as a non-native speaker, I never knew the word "gimp" had a meaning in the English language. Just looked up m-w.com... gimp means cripple, but it also means spirit and, curiously, vim (which is also a word!).

If you feel bad saying "gimp" as ['gimp], I suggest you to pronunce the "g" as in "ginger", making it ['jimp]. I've already heard people saying it like that; it's not that weird.