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Asteroid Flies Under the Radar, Literally

mrn121 writes "Space.com is reporting that a 16-foot wide asteriod has passed the Earth in a phenomenally close call. The Asteroid, named 2004 YD5, passed just below the 22,300 mile range where geostationary satellites sit. What makes the incident most interesting is that the asteriod was not seen until after it passed the Earth, due to the well-known Cosmic Blind Spot caused by the Sun."

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  1. First post by IO+ERROR · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Asteroids this small, if they were to enter the atmosphere, would break up and the pieces would burn up on entry. Little or none of it would reach the ground in any form you could recover it.

    The asteroids that are large enough to do damage can be seen far away enough that the cosmic blind spot is irrelevant. The article mentions a 2.9 mile wide asteroid (which would quickly wipe out all life on the planet if it hit) which scientists have known about for years. It won't come anywhere close.

    At the moment, we have no defense against a planet-killing asteroid, but the European Space Agency is studying the issue, and NASA's Deep Impact project is also working on it.

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    1. Re:First post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The article mentions a 2.9 mile wide asteroid (which would quickly wipe out all life on the planet if it hit) which scientists have known about for years.

      You are an idiot. The one that wiped out the dinosaurs was (according to the article that you linked) 6.2 miles wide, and it failed to wipe out all life on the planet.

    2. Re:First post by WormholeFiend · · Score: 1

      Asteroids this small, if they were to enter the atmosphere, would break up and the pieces would burn up on entry. Little or none of it would reach the ground in any form you could recover it.

      Doesn't that depend on the asteroid's composition?

    3. Re:First post by Laivincolmo · · Score: 4, Informative

      NASA's Deep Impact is going to impact a comet to study the composition of it. If sucessful the impact will create a crater on the surface. It has little to do with breaking up asteroids.

    4. Re:First post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Not really, the asteroid could be totally illiterate and it would still burn up.

    5. Re:First post by Rakishi · · Score: 1

      Yeah, whipping out all life (including bacteria) would require a very big rock, probably one big enough to cause the whole surface of the planet to melt and then reform. I believe that some speculate that a giant comet is the reason for Venus's current state.

    6. Re:First post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean, just like some slashdot submissions full of typos make it through to the Slashdot front page?

      It all makes sense now.

    7. Re:First post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh ok we don't have any defense against astroids becuase you know every trick the government has up their sleeve. Yes we do, and we have had for a long time.

    8. Re:First post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Yeah, whipping out all life (including bacteria) would require a very big rock, probably one big enough to cause the whole surface of the planet to melt and then reform. I believe that some speculate that a giant comet is the reason for Venus's current state.

      And I believe in aliens. I'm in fact one of them! Girbit! Girbit! Beep Beep!

    9. Re:First post by Dr.+Max+E.+Ville · · Score: 1

      At the moment, we have no defense against a planet-killing asteroid
      Don't underestimate the power of Bruce Willis!

    10. Re:First post by techno-vampire · · Score: 1
      Asteroids this small, if they were to enter the atmosphere, would break up

      Yes, a 16-yard asteroid as mentioned in the /. article would break up, but a 40-60 meter one, as described in the link would probably reach the ground. Not disputing you, just pointing out an error in the write-up.

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    11. Re:First post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure. Show me a 23,000 mile diameter asteroid that misses the earth by 16 yards, and *then* I'll be impressed!

    12. Re:First post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "whipping out all life (including bacteria) would require a very big rock"

      Actually, whipping out all life would require a very, very big blender.

    13. Re:First post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but wouldnt a better understanding of an asteroids composition be the first step in developing an effective means of destroying one on a collision course with earth?

    14. Re:First post by niittyniemi · · Score: 1

      > Asteroids this small, if they were to enter the atmosphere, would
      > break up and the pieces would burn up on entry. Little or none of it
      > would reach the ground in any form you could recover it.

      I think your assertion is somewhat sweeping.

      It's got to depend on what velocity the asteroid has, it's composition and it's shape. I'd also point to Skylab (it was bigger than the asteroid but less dense), significant chunks of which still fell on Western Australia.

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    15. Re:First post by IncohereD · · Score: 1

      but wouldnt a better understanding of an asteroids composition be the first step in developing an effective means of destroying one on a collision course with earth?

      Wouldn't a better understanding of the difference between a comet and an asteroid help you to answer that question?

      Not to say that we shouldn't be worried about comets as well, but they're a different problem, and have widely varying compositions.

    16. Re:First post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why was the parent modded a -1 Troll? Do we have a moderator that understood the post? Perhaps it should have 5 Insightful? How do you know?

  2. Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    Someone wants us dead.

    Sounds like we need to send an exploratory force out towards the sun to find out who the bastards are! Maybe they're on venus or mercury or somethin.

    Oh wait. We don't _have_ an exploratory force. Oh well, guess we'll just have to be sitting ducks.

    Or hope this was just a freak coincidence.

    Sounds like a plot for a new movie...

    1. Re:Hmm by SIGALRM · · Score: 1
      Someone wants us dead.
      Um, no. But it is strange, from TFA:
      This has been an interesting year for asteroid encounters.
      On March 18, a giant boulder about 100 feet (30 meters) wide passed just above the orbits of geostationary satellites
      One just above... one just below. Now of course it's an infinitesmal probability, but theoretically an asteroid could take out, say BSAT-2c, NSTAR, or one of the Galaxy series. I wonder if it's a serious threat (I doubt it however, ESD from keV plasmasheets pose a more present problem). Just curious.
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    2. Re:Hmm by kyliaar · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a plot for a new movie

      Or an old movie. Remember Starship Troopers. The bugs attacked us by hurling asteroids at Earth. If I remember properly that is how they colonized as well.

    3. Re:Hmm by stonechucker · · Score: 1

      Heck, this was one of the many sub plots two weeks ago on NBC's "The West Wing". Reality is finally catching up with TV.

    4. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it was those Iraqis again. I call for regime change!

    5. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Sounds like a plot for a new movie...
      Have you been living under a meteorite? The bugs in Starship Troopers use big rocks to bomb Earth.
    6. Re:Hmm by Jugalator · · Score: 1

      Someone wants us dead.

      Today, we were told MS can't have their media player included in Europe.

      I think I even know who the asteroid was directed for.

      And this is also proof that we, or at least some companies, have contact with aliens.

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    7. Re:Hmm by badman99 · · Score: 0

      Damn alien terrorists after our.......uhhh precious Bush

    8. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No Paris, no Nepal, no Barstow, wont be none of them at all,
      No Congo, no Kish or Kishangargh, no Memphis, it doesn't matter who you are...

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    9. Re:Hmm by the31337z3r0 · · Score: 0

      Seems their Asteroid.net software is a bit buggy.

    10. Re:Hmm by Danse · · Score: 1

      Seems their Asteroid.net software is a bit buggy.

      Yep, but just you wait until after Service Pack 4. Then there'll be hell to pay.

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    11. Re:Hmm by rebelx2 · · Score: 1

      Don't worry the super secret SG-1 team will fly any incoming rock through hyper-space and pass it harmlessly through the earth. They'll save us all.

  3. Well if I'm going to be obliterated by an asteroid by Timesprout · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'd rather not see it coming.

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  4. true but by poison_reverse · · Score: 2, Interesting

    it could have taken out a satellite by chance

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    1. Re:true but by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Informative

      it could have taken out a satellite by chance

      The chances of something that large hitting a given satellite is probably only a bit more than it hitting you. It is a bit more because it may burn up by the time it reaches the ground. There are 5+ billion people and probably only around 2000 active satellites. Assuming such a rock has about a 50/50 chance of making it to the ground without vaporizing, then it is far more likely to hit a person than a satellite.

      (5,000,000,000 * 0.5 * 0.5) / 2000 = 62,500

      (The second 0.5 is because most sats are bigger than people.)

      Thus a person is about 60,000 more times likely to get hit by a rock that size than a satellite.

      Now small rocks are another story. Those pose a far bigger danger to satellites. We on the surface are protected by our atmosphere against pebble- and baseball-sized space rocks. But satellites are not, and those things rip through them like bullets.

    2. Re:true but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      personnaly i was hoping it would have slammed DTVs 101 postion its about damn time they get ACM'd for as much as they've Ecm'd cards in the past

      Astroid counter measuer

    3. Re:true but by Shanes · · Score: 2, Informative

      As others have pointed out the chances for that hapening are very remote, but anyway, here's an interesting graphic showing the 2004 YD5's position when passing compared to all Low Earth, GPS, and geosynchronous sats. As the page says, it passed 1.88 earth radii from the orbit of GPS satellite BIIA-19.

    4. Re:true but by Jussi+K.+Kojootti · · Score: 1

      I believe that the assumption "there are 5 billion people on the geostationary orbit height" might be wrong.

    5. Re:true but by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      OTOH, even if it had passed just 5 meters from the sattelite, there would not have been any damage. Only an actual hit would damage the sattelite.

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    6. Re:true but by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      I believe that the assumption "there are 5 billion people on the geostationary orbit height" might be wrong.

      Asteroids generally don't custom-select where they strike. The only real risk-wise difference between us and satellites in orbit is the atmosphere, and the larger the rock, the less the atmosphere makes a difference. I did account for that in my calculations, I would note.

      (I suppose you could argue that half the time the earth itself is blocking the rocks path to us. But gravity also tends to bend the path toward to Earth to counter that. Either way, it is not going to greatly affect the difference.)

  5. meh by elzurawka · · Score: 1

    this probobly happens on a regular basis, nothing to get worked up about fellow geeks....now when the same thing happens with a 16 mile wide asteroid...that will be big news....

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    1. Re:meh by jc42 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yeah. A couple years ago, I ran across an article that contained a graph of object size versus frequency of entering the Earth's atmosphere. The 1-per-day frequency was for objects of about 3 meters diameter.

      Several objects of this thing's size enter our atmosphere each week. Most of them disintegrate in the atmostphere. A few have pieces that hit the ground, though they're usually rather small by the time they (or the pieces) hit.

      To do serious damage, we'll need a rock at least a few hundred meters across. Of course, one of those may hit us next week. Or 10,000 years from now. (Or both. ;-)

      I wonder if I could find that graph again?

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    2. Re:meh by khallow · · Score: 1

      Why aren't you panicking and screaming? After all, WE ALMOST GOT PASTED BY A 5 METER ASTEROID!!!1!!!!1!!

    3. Re:meh by zennor · · Score: 1

      Not for long though....... Kaboom!!

    4. Re:meh by doktoromni · · Score: 2, Informative

      To do serious damage, we'll need a rock at least a few hundred meters across.

      It depends on what you call "serious damage". The Tunguska event blasted thousands of square kilometers of Siberian forest and it is estimated that it was a meteor just 60 meters wide.

      A similar impactor hitting a populated area would decimate a whole metropolis or even a small US state. I would call that "serious damage".

    5. Re:meh by jc42 · · Score: 1

      Well, yeah; and a 1-meter rock that hit your house would be a disaser for you.

      Also, meteorites and asteroids differ a lot in composition. A few are basically chunks of metal alloy. Those might not break up in the atmosphere, and a 5-meter chunk of iron-nickel would do serious damage to a neighborhood.

      But most of them do shatter when they hit the atmosphere, and produce a rain of small rocks over a wide area. There was that case in China a few years back, when a several-meter rock rained pebbles (some around 30 cm or so) across a farm area. It didn't actually do much damage; there were a lot of pictures of holes punched into fields. No buildings or animals were damaged. A lot of the stones were dug up and sent to researchers or museums.

      A number of small meteors have hit houses, too. There was even a house somewhere in Connecticut that was hit by two, a few decades apart. They were 10-cm rocks, and the repair bill was small. One of them landed next to a woman sitting on a couch. She must have felt a bit nervous.

      The Tunguska event has generally been estimated as a several-thousand-year impact (though it wasn't actually an impact). But another one could happen tomorrow, and it could be over a city. That may be what it'll take to wake people up to the danger.

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  6. Re:Well if I'm going to be obliterated by an aster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Somehow I doubt a 16-foot asteroid would obliterate the earth. Your car, yes. But the earth...

  7. Everybody PANIC!!! by ChuckleBug · · Score: 3, Funny

    My God, we're doomed! I mean, if an asteroid too small to hit the surface can go undetected, how will we blast it out of the sky with our Planetary Orbital Defense Network?

    1. Re:Everybody PANIC!!! by armyofone · · Score: 1

      I think you mis-spelled 'Benign Object Obliteration Mechanism' (B.O.O.M.) ;-]

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    2. Re:Everybody PANIC!!! by NeedleSurfer · · Score: 1

      Don't panic chances are the Planetary Orbital Defense Network is built by the same company that builts the Missile Defense Shield, don't panic, you KNOW it doesn't work so cool off, light one up and die gleefully.

    3. Re:Everybody PANIC!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, no. It's the Planetary Orbital Response Network, or PORN.

    4. Re:Everybody PANIC!!! by nigelc · · Score: 1

      Time to work on the Planetary Orbit Research Network instead???

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    5. Re:Everybody PANIC!!! by Geoffreyerffoeg · · Score: 1

      how will we blast it out of the sky with our Planetary Orbital Defense Network?


      Um, the planet's orbiting defense against small asteroids is the sky, pretty much.

    6. Re:Everybody PANIC!!! by yRabbit · · Score: 1

      Well, we'll just have to call on all privateers in this sector to help blast them out of the sky, won't we? Maybe the space pirates will even help if we bribe them with money!

  8. Material Make Up by LabRat007 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Does anyone know if an asteroid of this size could make landfall if made of the proper materials. Such as nickle, lead or other make up?

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    1. Re:Material Make Up by mikerubin · · Score: 0

      how about feathers ?

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    2. Re:Material Make Up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how about feathers ?

      Well, it would break up, but the pieces would all land at the same time!

    3. Re:Material Make Up by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1

      For the answer to your question, think of the picture of a rifle bullet passing through an apple.

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    4. Re:Material Make Up by StarsAreAlsoFire · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A lot of factors come into play. Is it coming 'straight at us' (will it hit the atmosphere with the combined velocities of the orbiting earth and its own relative motion?). Or is it playing 'catch up' with the Earth, coming up behind us so that the relative velocity is lower?

      Hell yeah, a solid nickle object that size could hit the surface given the right conditions! But with a shallow, grazing entry it would be unlikely to do so. And shallow entries are more likely.

      However a fast, dead straight approach would give the asteroid/meteoroid only tenths of seconds of actual atmospheric contact. Earths orbital velocity around the sun is around 30km per second, and if the object were coming straight at us you can assume that its orbital velocity would be near to that; if it were falling toward the sun it would be higher, if ascending the velocity would be lower. So 60km/second would give the object about 1/2 a second in any 'real' atmosphere in a vertical descent profile. For some object which was solid and metallic there would be a nice new crater - not enough time for heat transfer to create the massive thermal gradients which would make the object shatter.

      If the object were not completely solid the shockwaves created by its own passage through the atmosphere would likely cause it to explode into smaller peices, but even then you could expect a good number of those pieces to blast some pretty serious holes in things.

      I once read, LONG ago in some book meant for 'tweens, that objects smaller than a VW bus tend to burn up. Objects larger stand a good chance getting significant chunks of themselves onto the surface of the planet.

    5. Re:Material Make Up by Shanes · · Score: 1

      According to these analyzes it would have disintegrated anyway. The speed it would have had at entry (27.3 km/s) would have been to large for it to survive.

    6. Re:Material Make Up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for the useful reply! If I had mod points to give they would be yours.

  9. Oops? But does it matter? by agent+dero · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While that does kind of suck that we had no idea of it before it passed "close" by, one has to ask, does it matter if we see it coming or not?

    If an asteroid does head for us, will it matter if we see it coming or not? Or will the grandiose idea presented in "Armageddon" be employed (despite being cool as hell.)

    Personally, i'd rather be blindsided by a sixteen-wheeler, than sit by and see it head towards me for hours/days/weeks.

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    1. Re:Oops? But does it matter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think that even if we knew about an asteroid that was going to it us (we being the world leaders, not we being you and me) that they wouldn't tell us... so who knows, maybe there's an asteroid coming for us right now, and no one has told us.

    2. Re:Oops? But does it matter? by lachlan76 · · Score: 1

      Well, an asteroid can't kill *EVERYONE*. Personally, I'd prefer to not be around when it lands on my house.

    3. Re:Oops? But does it matter? by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      Personally, i'd rather be blindsided by a sixteen-wheeler, than sit by and see it head towards me for hours/days/weeks.

      No way. If for no other reason than the end-of-the-world parties would put New Years 2000 to shame.

  10. I would... by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 1

    If the Earth was going to be devastated tomorrow and the chances of me and mine surviving were next to zero then I'd rather spend the time I had left doing something important to me than going to work.

    And, no by "something important to me" I don't mean playing EverQuest.

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    1. Re:I would... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well, it can't be spending time with a non-existant girlfriend, so what would you do then?

    2. Re:I would... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes... like running around screaming and waving your arms.

      Me? I'd be looting, but hey--I'm an optimist.

    3. Re:I would... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      And, no by "something important to me" I don't mean playing EverQuest.

      /. is *far* more important than Everquest ...

    4. Re:I would... by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I would think that even the least socially-gifted geek would have no trouble finding someone to screw if the world was going to end tomorrow.

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    5. Re:I would... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Sorry for being AC, but I don't post often enough for me to care about setting up an account. This can be moderated down or not... I'm primarily interested in communicating with you, WIAKywbfatw.

      Have you thought, perhaps, that the Earth may well end up devestated tomorrow anyway? There could be war, pestilence, famine... just think what would happen if there were a limited nuclear war in the Middle East, for instance: No fuel for trucks, no trucks to drive groceries to the grocery store, things would get out of hand quickly.

      Maybe it's better to go ahead and spend time with your loved ones and with important projects now than wait for the world to end first.

    6. Re:I would... by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 1

      I already have a 'work to live' rather than 'live to work' philosophy, but whereas I can't live my life constantly ignoring everything but the things that are nearest and dearest to me you can bet your life that I wouldn't be devoting my attention to anything but the things that are most important to me in that ELE scenario.

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    7. Re:I would... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, that's not true. There's nothing wrong with geeks other than that they are slower (and more selective) to detect and grab screwing opportunities.

      If the world would end tomorrow that would put more time pressure onto geeks, further lowering their chances for a good screw.

      (Maybe that's the deeper reason why geeks want to deflect asteroids. I, for one, would be absolutely thrilled by a significant impact, anywhere on earth, even if that would mean significant and/or fatal destruction.)

  11. Let's see by Linguica · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The diameter of the earth is about 8,000 miles, so take the globe on your desk (you have one, right?) and imagine an object a little less than 3 diameters away...

    1. Re:Let's see by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      And the size of a grain of salt....or probably less, depending on the size of your globe.

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    2. Re:Let's see by WolfWithoutAClause · · Score: 1, Informative
      imagine an object a little less than 3 diameters away...

      ...that is too small to see with the naked eye...

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    3. Re:Let's see by jericho4.0 · · Score: 2, Informative

      0.000195 of a centimeter.

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    4. Re:Let's see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Do you think that, if a meteorite with a diameter of 0.24 mm would hit a 30-cm wide globe at a speed of 0.35 mm/sec, this would destroy most form of life on this planet ?

      Yes.

      This is the exact reduced model representing the 10-km wide meteorite that hit the Yucatan Peninsula 65 million years ago at a speed of about 54000 km/h, creating the 170-km wide Chicxulub crater, and caused the extinction of the dinosaurs.

      Impressive, isn't it ?

    5. Re:Let's see by WolfWithoutAClause · · Score: 1
      This is the exact reduced model representing the 10-km wide meteorite that hit the Yucatan Peninsula 65 million years ago at a speed of about 54000 km/h, creating the 170-km wide Chicxulub crater, and caused the extinction of the dinosaurs.

      Problem is; the current evidence points to the Chicxulub impact not doing in the dinosaurs; although it didn't help.

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    6. Re:Let's see by HermanAB · · Score: 1

      Well, there are bigger craters than the Caribean one on earth. For example the Bushveld Complex in Northern South Africa, which is about 500km in diameter: http://www.wits.ac.za/geosciences/bushveld/bush_vf t1.htm

      That one also didn't cause the extinction of life, so the earth is a very resilient body. A good thing really, else we probably would not have been here...

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    7. Re:Let's see by Filmwatcher888 · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, but I'm American. Can you do these measurements again in Football fields, Minivans, Rods, or Hogsheads???

    8. Re:Let's see by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Like I said- depends on the size of your globe...8000x5280=42240000 feet is the diameter of the planet, thus the ratio would be 16/42240000 or .00000037878787878...

      Measure your globe in whatever unit you wish, multiply by 3.787878787xe-7, and you'll have the size of this meteriod.

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    9. Re:Let's see by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Boy that's a large globe- taking the figures from my first message, your globe is ~514CM in diameter- nearly a half a meter....

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    10. Re:Let's see by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Damn it, should have hit preview. 514cm=5 METERS! This guy is using a weather balloon for a globe!

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  12. This is NOT reassuring ... by i_want_you_to_throw_ · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Four small groups of dedicated astronomers in Arizona and California, totaling fewer than the number of employees at an average fast-food restaurant and using mostly off-the-shelf equipment for their telescopes, have been mapping the heavens and steadily adding to the number of known near-Earth objects. The article from TIME is here

    Something more dedicated to this would make everyone feel better probably

    1. Re:This is NOT reassuring ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      your link is defunct, the correct link is http://www.time.com/time/reports/v21/science/aster oid.html

    2. Re:This is NOT reassuring ... by DocSavage64109 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Even if they did find something, the government would cover it up so as to avoid a panic. May as well save tax dollars and let the amateurs do it.

    3. Re:This is NOT reassuring ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What's the point? Is the skipper going to change course? Are we going to somehow vaporize it?

      Who cares how people feel about it. I can see how tracking near-Earth objects might be interesting from a scientific perspective. However, I don't see the point in using a massive amount of resources in doing so just in an attempt to provide piece-of-mind.

      I am the type of person that, in the case of the annihilation of the human race, believes that ignorance is bliss. If a scientist discovers that we will all face certain death in the next 24 hours, I don't want to know about it. If nuclear war broke out, I'd want to be one of the first to fall.

      I, for one, would much rather just go about my ordinary, self-absorbed life and sleep peacefully at night.

      I ask again, what's the point?

    4. Re:This is NOT reassuring ... by Pantero+Blanco · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If there WAS an asteroid hurtling towards us and we had significant warning, I'm sure we could throw something together. If we don't have that ability today, the information we gather now could be useful in the future if such an event occurs.

    5. Re:This is NOT reassuring ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's called "Pan-STARRS".

      www.pan-starrs.ifa.hawaii.edu

    6. Re:This is NOT reassuring ... by iamatlas · · Score: 3, Funny
      If there WAS an asteroid hurtling towards us and we had significant warning, I'm sure we could throw something together.

      Dude, like, I know some people who drill for oil that are sooooo the right people to call in on something like this.

    7. Re:This is NOT reassuring ... by Rei · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Bah, I've got a better page than that: calculate your own custom asteroid impact.

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    8. Re:This is NOT reassuring ... by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We have a Greenhouse effect that is threatening us NOW, more slowly than a hurtling asteroid - so we can deal with it - but just as inevitably. Instead of doing something about it, we're denying it and making it worse. What makes you think an asteroid won't be "just a theory" to the people too entrenched in feeding at the status quo trough to raise their snouts?

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    9. Re:This is NOT reassuring ... by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 2, Funny


      I think watching the world go all Mad Max would be really interesting. I plan on welding spikes on a dune buggy for no reason.

      -B

    10. Re:This is NOT reassuring ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      3, insightfull?
      it should be moderated as funny since it's a movie reference to "armageddon"
      ok?

    11. Re:This is NOT reassuring ... by theM_xl · · Score: 1

      I find it strangely disturbing that was modded insightful :)

    12. Re:This is NOT reassuring ... by HeghmoH · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Newton's law of gravitation is much simpler than the incredibly chaotic system that makes up our climate. Once such an asteroid is discovered and the details published, anybody with a year or two of university-level math and physics will be able to verify its path.

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    13. Re:This is NOT reassuring ... by aeroelastic · · Score: 1

      And pigs. We need lots of pigs. And Tina Turner has to be in charge.

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    14. Re:This is NOT reassuring ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdot. News for idiots. Stuff thats inane.

      Assuming the grandparent wasn't a sarcastic Bruce Willis/Armageddon? reference.

    15. Re:This is NOT reassuring ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      However, I don't see the point in using a massive amount of resources in doing so just in an attempt to provide piece-of-mind.

      Hey, Piece of Mind was a totally awesome Iron Maiden album, don't you think. Nice to see a fellow Iron Maiden fan on /. ... unless you actually meant peace of mind, in which case I'll just go bang my head against the wall by myself.

    16. Re:This is NOT reassuring ... by iamatlas · · Score: 1

      I didn't think it was all that funny to begin with, and it was my post! Maybe the "funny" mods were with respect to the fact that someone had actually modded it as insightful. That is the funny part. Not my lame reference to some movie.

    17. Re:This is NOT reassuring ... by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      Out of curiosity, why would they cover it up? Is the idea of a panicked population really that much worse than the fact that civilization ends next Tuesday at 9:23am? What possible damage could come from a few days of drunken rioting, church-going, and wanton sex?

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    18. Re:This is NOT reassuring ... by c4seyj0nes · · Score: 1

      ...throw somthing together...

      Based on my limited knowledge of space travel. The only thing I could think of that would be effective would be a suicide mission. You load a space shuttle with nukes, launch the space shuttle, get a pilot to fly it the correct distance from the rock...the he (or she) pushes the button.

      It might be worth it just to get your face on every news paper/website in the world as a hero.

      Of course, if we can remotely fly these suckers then noone would need to go up there.

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    19. Re:This is NOT reassuring ... by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Lying on TV is much simpler than Newton's law of gravitation. Any claim that requires any mathematical proof can be trumped by a politician saying "it's just a theory" to the "faith based" masses. The threshold of complexity above which people take science on faith isn't university math and physics, but any kind of rational thinking at all. As a society, we're much better at denial of expensive, yet essential, solutions to survival problems than we are at saving ourselves.

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    20. Re:This is NOT reassuring ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...have been mapping the heavens and steadily adding to the number of known near-Earth objects.

      So I guess this NEO is not The One.

    21. Re:This is NOT reassuring ... by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 2, Funny
      4:17 GMT, March 8 2007

      Just look surprised.

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    22. Re:This is NOT reassuring ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Out of curiosity, why would they cover it up?"

      There is a school of thought that believes there is a non-zero chance of nuclear war in the event of a predicted impact. The risk is that some nutball will decide to make damn sure no one from that "other" country survives the aftermath. And right now the nutball factor seems to be pretty high in every known nuclear state.

    23. Re:This is NOT reassuring ... by Telastyn · · Score: 1

      Following the cynical argument, people will also believe movies and popular culture over a charismatic politician. Movies about earth destroying asteroids are common and popular, enforcing their likelihood to the masses. Greenhouse effect movies are not. A politician saying "it's just a theory" is trumped by Joe Smith going "Oh, just like in Armageddon!"

    24. Re:This is NOT reassuring ... by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Yeah - _Armageddon_, that movie we saw the night we had those great curly fries at Denny's! You're on to something: "it's just a theory" has been replaced with "it's just a movie", we don't have to actually be afraid. Pop culture used to raise consciousness: traditional folk music/dancing *was* the culture, for thousands of generations. Movies can both get people talking, and trivialize the issue, by doing your thinking for you, instead of letting you personalize the vision.

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    25. Re:This is NOT reassuring ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      shit, this is not the first time I see this date..anyone have more info on it:)->

    26. Re:This is NOT reassuring ... by nutshell42 · · Score: 1

      But if this asteroid is at a distance where we have even a theoretical possibility of doing something before it hits us you can only work in probabilities because even minimal (10^-somethingverybig) changes will have a major impact on its course. So we will have people talking about how it's not going to hit us and how the scientists falsified data to further their agenda and all that bs

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    27. Re:This is NOT reassuring ... by HeghmoH · · Score: 1

      I'll take a simplistic approach and model the collision without gravity. This is not really correct, but it will probably be within an order of magnitude. The situation is not really chaotic even with gravity, at least in the short term, so the size of the change in the result is likely to be close to the size in the change at the beginning.

      Assume the asteroid is a year away from collision when it's found, and it's on course directly for the center of Earth. Our error needs to be less than the amount of speed that would make the asteroid be more than one Earth radius away from where we think it will be, one year into the future. Take the radius of the Earth, divide by a year, and you get 20cm/s. This is pretty low, and I honestly don't know if we can determine an asteroid's velocity that accurately or not. We seem to come very close to this sort of accuracy with space probes, but they have onboard star trackers and guidance computers, and they also have course correction thrusters. Anybody have more concrete numbers?

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    28. Re:This is NOT reassuring ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At what point do the Armageddon jokes that appear every week get boring and worn out?

    29. Re:This is NOT reassuring ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are a real asshole.

  13. Seems a bit hyped... by commieboyredux · · Score: 0

    in addition to most likely burning up before it ever got close, such a small asteroid may destroy a small neiborhood, max. Sure, it would have been a tragity, but nothing more devestating that, say, an airline crash. (Minus the death of the passengers, of course)

    1. Re:Seems a bit hyped... by sreid · · Score: 1

      of course it would it a small neighbourhood instead of the majority of the planets surface being salt and polluted water..

  14. A little late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If something was coming our way, somebody should know about it, imagine if something hit and one of those nuclear powers mistook it as a first strike? I would perfer some notice that asteroids are coming that close. BTW: The same story was rejected from /. around 3PM EST.

  15. 16-foot ASTEROID? by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Heck, I've seen BOULDERS bigger than that (if you ever visit Central Oregon, the High Desert Museum has one about that size sitting on top of a car- it's pumice obviously). That ain't no asteroid, that's a meteor.

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    1. Re:16-foot ASTEROID? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Pedantic Man to the rescue!

      You meant meteoroid, not meteor. A meteoroid is a solid body, moving in space (not in atmosphere), that is smaller than an asteroid and larger than a speck of dust. It becomes a meteor when it enters a planetary atmosphere (and meteoroids almost invariably burn up on atmospheric entry).

      Pedantic Man, away!

  16. Planet saving == funding drive by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 5, Funny
    How people love to play on our fears to get power, money etc.:

    Church: "Give us your money and listen to us or you BURN IN HELL!"

    DOE: "Give us your money etc or YOU'LL RUN OUT OF GAS!"

    NASA: "Give us your money or YOU'LL GET KILLED BY AN ASTEROID!"

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    1. Re:Planet saving == funding drive by Elkboy · · Score: 1

      And what are you saying? "Give me all your money or PEOPLE WILL SCARE YOU!"

    2. Re:Planet saving == funding drive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so... of course you stopped paying your fearmongering water bill and just drink out of puddles.

    3. Re:Planet saving == funding drive by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Funny

      How people love to play on our fears to get power, money etc.:....NASA: "Give us your money or YOU'LL GET KILLED BY AN ASTEROID!"

      The Dinosaurs didn't fund their NASA, and look what happened to them.

    4. Re:Planet saving == funding drive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But puddle water doubles as a source of protein!

    5. Re:Planet saving == funding drive by Otter · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hey, they also pissed off God so much he wrote them out of the Bible! The dinosaurs weren't much for hedging their bets, apparently. They did solve the gas problem, though, although not really to their own advantage.

    6. Re:Planet saving == funding drive by TRACK-YOUR-POSITION · · Score: 1

      You've finally outdone Bill Watterson--Tyrannosaurs in spaceships iare definitely much cooler than same in F-14s.

    7. Re:Planet saving == funding drive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Dinosaurs didn't fund their NASA, and look what happened to them.

      What, they BURNED IN HELL and TURNED INTO GAS?

    8. Re:Planet saving == funding drive by Ingolfke · · Score: 1

      The Dinosaurs didn't fund their NASA, and look what happened to them.

      Do you have any facts or data to back up your suggestion that the dinosaur's fully funded NASA did not fail in their attempts to stop the asteroid?

    9. Re:Planet saving == funding drive by Emugamer · · Score: 1

      The Dinosaurs didn't fund their NASA, and look what happened to them.

      they became our gas?

    10. Re:Planet saving == funding drive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      > > The Dinosaurs didn't fund their NASA, and look what happened to them.
      >
      >>they became our gas?

      Serves 'em right for not funding their DOE either!

    11. Re:Planet saving == funding drive by LaCosaNostradamus · · Score: 1

      The funny thing is, no matter what you end up giving to these organizations, you'll end up subjected to the predicted dooms anyway. I.e. church attendence doesn't save you from Hell; DOE funding isn't increasing gasoline supplies; and finally, NASA still wouldn't be able to stop that asteroid.

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    12. Re:Planet saving == funding drive by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 1
      The Dinosaurs didn't fund their NASA, and look what happened to them.

      Well maybe they DID fully fund NASA, but NASA decided it's priorities should be to develop a high-capacity, low-cost, manned, and re-usable spacecraft. Then wouldn't change it's goals for nearly 30 years after discovering that you could have one, or the other, but not all four. At least very well.

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    13. Re:Planet saving == funding drive by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Do you have any facts or data to back up your suggestion that the dinosaur's fully funded NASA did not fail in their attempts to stop the asteroid?

      1. They ain't here anymore

  17. I don't understand... by koreaman · · Score: 1
    Only a space telescope could detect such objects before they arrive.


    So how did "Stan" notice?
    1. Re:I don't understand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He didn't. RTFA. He noticed AFTER it arrived and reverse-engineered its course to figure out when it had (already) been closest to earth... which, of course, is precisely the problem - we want to know before we get hit, not after.

  18. Asteroid shield instead of missile shield by Elkboy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Here's something we know will come and that has a destructive potential far greater than anything in our arsenals. It would foster global cooperation since all nations are potential targets, and it wouldn't create an arms race. An asteroid shield seems like a better way to spend all those money that goes into missile shield defense.

    1. Re:Asteroid shield instead of missile shield by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And then, secretly, you build a hidden weapon capability into the satellite network, and turn it against your enemies once the system is up and running.

      I like the way you think.

    2. Re:Asteroid shield instead of missile shield by mordors9 · · Score: 1

      Actually that is one reason I have always been supportive of the spacebased missile defense programs (star wars). Hopefully when the time comes NASA can figure out how to use it to protect the earth from asteroids. Not to mention them dadburn aliens.

    3. Re:Asteroid shield instead of missile shield by Elkboy · · Score: 1

      Yes! I would create an inconspicous hole in the asteroid shield just above the White House, but that's just me.

    4. Re:Asteroid shield instead of missile shield by dustinbarbour · · Score: 1

      Let's see.. the odds of an asteroid hitting earth: 1/1,000,000,000,000 or soemthng like that. the odds of korea, china, et al attacking america with ICBMs (despite their current inability to reach US shores): a lot higher than that! You gotta put your money where you're likely to get the greatest return.

    5. Re:Asteroid shield instead of missile shield by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Actually that is one reason I have always been supportive of the spacebased missile defense programs (star wars). Hopefully when the time comes NASA can figure out how to use it to protect the earth from asteroids. Not to mention them dadburn aliens.

      I don't know whether to laugh or cry!!

    6. Re:Asteroid shield instead of missile shield by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think a potential return of 6 billion+ human lives preserved (to say nothing of other species) is a lot greater than saving a fraction of that from missiles, regardless of the odds.
      One of these scenarios involves a future for the human race if the worst happens.

    7. Re:Asteroid shield instead of missile shield by mordors9 · · Score: 1

      You will be crying when the aliens start up their anal probes.... well may be not :)

    8. Re:Asteroid shield instead of missile shield by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1
      the odds of an asteroid hitting earth: 1/1,000,000,000,000 or soemthng like that.

      No. The odds of a city-busting size rock hitting Earth are so close to 100% we're talking a miracle if it never happens again. Last one fortunately hit an uninhabited area of Sibera.

      The question is when and where, not if.

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    9. Re:Asteroid shield instead of missile shield by Elkboy · · Score: 1

      Only there's ample evidence of asteroid impacts throughout earth's history. It's not a question of if but when and asteroid next strikes. Also, the potential damage far surpasses anything North Korea or China can lob at you.

    10. Re:Asteroid shield instead of missile shield by lachlan76 · · Score: 1

      The thing is, a missile defence platform which is designed to attack a target a few meters across may have trouble destroying a target several KILOMETERS across.

    11. Re:Asteroid shield instead of missile shield by majid_aldo · · Score: 1


      once they're up there there's no stopping how humans will use these 'asteroid' busters.

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    12. Re:Asteroid shield instead of missile shield by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 1
      Yes, but if WHEN > MY_LIFE_TIME people don't care.

      Except in a democracy where if WHEN > TERM_OF_OFFICE they don't care.

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  19. Re:Well if I'm going to be obliterated by an aster by Rakishi · · Score: 1

    It would probably burn up so even your car is safe. On a related note does insurance normally cover asteroid impacts?

  20. 16 Feet??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    About how many Volkswagen Beetles is that?

  21. send in the calvery... by wcitechnologies · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Better prep Bruce Willis and Ben Afflec for docking on the astroid... (shameless Armegeddon refrence)

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    1. Re:send in the calvery... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you have to?

      Worst. Sci-Fi. Epic. Ever.

    2. Re:send in the calvery... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What are they going to do, file it down? It's 16 fucking feet wide.

    3. Re:send in the calvery... by michaeldot · · Score: 1

      How about we just send them both into space? Doesn't need to be an asteroid.

    4. Re:send in the calvery... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      You don't really get pop culture references, do you?

      Here's a tip: if you have to explain it, you shouldn't have said it.

    5. Re:send in the calvery... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      shouldn't you be in san francisco getting married?

    6. Re:send in the calvery... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Truman: Well, our object collision budget's a million dollars. That allows us to track about 3% of the sky, and begging your pardon sir, but it's a big-ass sky.

      Ha, just becuase it's one of my favorites, had to throw that in.

  22. Dupe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
  23. Yay... by Scrab · · Score: 5, Funny

    Stealth Asteroids....

    I'm not worried though.

    I have my teeny triangular space ship, and I'll destroy it before it becomes a problem....

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    1. Re:Yay... by Phil246 · · Score: 1

      dont be daft :P
      you`ll land on it, attempt to plant a nuke, only to find that it would be a very bad idea to detonate it - before going on to fly through the planet with the asteroid in tow with your hyperspace engines....
      is there such a thing as watching too much sci fi?

    2. Re:Yay... by jmichaelg · · Score: 1
      I have my teeny triangular space ship, and I'll destroy it before it becomes a problem....

      And after you've destroyed your space ship what are you going to do?

    3. Re:Yay... by Matt · · Score: 1

      Watch out for flying saucers, though. Especially the little ones. They're hard to hit and they shoot back.

  24. Re:Well if I'm going to be obliterated by an aster by koreaman · · Score: 1

    But the thing is, if they saw it coming there are measures they could take to prevent it from hitting the earth.

  25. Did this really fly under the radar, LITERALLY? by shark72 · · Score: 1

    The opposite of "literal" is "figurative" and "fly under the radar" seems to have been used in a figurative, not literal sense.

    The blind spot that prevented us from seeing the asteroid appears to be a blind spot in the literal sense -- meaning that it prevented us from seeing the rock with optical telescopes, or with our own eyes. I do not believe that the article says that radar was trained on the area, or that the blind spot interfered with said radar.

    Additionally, if I read the article correctly, the rock did not enter the atmosphere. For an item to literally fly under the radar, it typically has to be well into the atmosphere.

    Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong and this truly flew under radar literally.

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    1. Re:Did this really fly under the radar, LITERALLY? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You really should pull that stick out of your ass, figuratively speaking.

    2. Re:Did this really fly under the radar, LITERALLY? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Inconceivable!

    3. Re:Did this really fly under the radar, LITERALLY? by Mawbid · · Score: 2, Funny
      Well...

      It soared over Antarctica -- underneath the planet

      ...so I guess they're right after all :-)

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    4. Re:Did this really fly under the radar, LITERALLY? by Euler · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It flew under the weather radar satellites - LITERALLY. There.

    5. Re:Did this really fly under the radar, LITERALLY? by allokotos · · Score: 1

      I do not think that word means what you think it means.

  26. End of the world website by RagingChipmunk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    End of the world chart in true scientific fashion - a website dedicated to tracking asteroid collision paths - a 'solution' euphamistically means 'striking the earth' http://www.hohmanntransfer.com/crt.htm#news

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  27. RTFA, mrn121!!! by JonLatane · · Score: 2, Informative
    The asteroid was not 16 feet wide.

    According to the article, "the object, now named 2002 EM7, was probably between 40 and 80 meters (130-260 feet) in diameter" and was capable of flattening a whole city.

    1. Re:RTFA, mrn121!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RTF CORRECT article, jackass. The second article was a link to something from TWO YEARS AGO. The name of the asteroid being completely different should have tipped you off. Fuckwad.

    2. Re:RTFA, mrn121!!! by Rakishi · · Score: 1

      "19 March 2002" Please look at the correct article for this rock and not the one for an old rock.

    3. Re:RTFA, mrn121!!! by Daniel+Ellard · · Score: 1
      You're reading the wrong article, or something.

      This is about 2004 YD5, which was about 5 meters wide. 2002 EM7 was more than two years ago...

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    4. Re:RTFA, mrn121!!! by Jumperalex · · Score: 1

      Ah you are correct. I made the mistake too. However it is the article that opened when I clicked on the link.

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    5. Re:RTFA, mrn121!!! by Daniel+Ellard · · Score: 1
      Maybe the poster is just messing with our heads.

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    6. Re:RTFA, mrn121!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how come slashdot does not filter naughty words.. against censorship?

  28. Hey! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sneaking is useless, Zim, I'll reveal you to the world.

    Just imagine those alien experiments... mwahahaha...

    Yours truly,

    Dib.

  29. asteroid, meteor, meteoroid, meteorite by Animaether · · Score: 5, Informative

    Just to correct something...

    Asteroid:
    Any of numerous small celestial bodies that revolve around the sun, with orbits lying chiefly between Mars and Jupiter and characteristic diameters between a few and several hundred kilometers. Also called minor planet, planetoid.
    I.E. still in space and orbiting.

    Meteor:
    A bright trail or streak that appears in the sky when a meteoroid is heated to incandescence by friction with the earth's atmosphere. Also called falling star, meteor burst, shooting star.
    I.E. that which is shooting through the atmosphere, heating it and itself up in the process due to friction.

    Meteoroid:
    A solid body, moving in space, that is smaller than an asteroid and at least as large as a speck of dust.
    I.E. still in space, not necessarily orbiting, smaller than an Asteroid. I think you meant this one.

    Meteorite:
    A stony or metallic mass of matter that has fallen to the earth's surface from outer space.
    I.E. Fallen onto the Earth. It's what you may find if you're either lucky, or very observant.

    So just to conclude.. this is indeed a Meteoroid, as it's not big enough to actually be an Asteroid. But it's more fun to say, and less confusing to the masses - especially the Nintendo owners out there.

    1. Re:asteroid, meteor, meteoroid, meteorite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So if a meteroid like object is as large as an asteroid, but not orbiting, what is it called?

    2. Re:asteroid, meteor, meteoroid, meteorite by bikerguy99 · · Score: 1

      ah-h-h-h... my 4th-grader son just got an A in a science test devoted to these same questions - should I get him a /. account or what ?...

    3. Re:asteroid, meteor, meteoroid, meteorite by kinema · · Score: 2, Funny

      Metroid: Species of jellyfish-like alien predators from SR-388.

    4. Re:asteroid, meteor, meteoroid, meteorite by DrSpirograph · · Score: 1

      Meteorite:
      A stony or metallic mass of matter that has fallen to the earth's surface from outer space.
      I.E. Fallen onto the Earth. It's what you may find if you're either lucky, or very observant.


      So if you happen to be standing exactly where it lands, when it lands, does that make you lucky or observant?

    5. Re:asteroid, meteor, meteoroid, meteorite by JollyFinn · · Score: 1

      Asterite:
      Something we havent seen for a while. And everybody is looking for.

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  30. Re: Illiteracy by fyngyrz · · Score: 1, Funny

    Is that why there are so many fires in the ghettos?

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  31. Terribly sorry... by JonLatane · · Score: 1

    I'm terribly sorry; I confused the two linked articles. I hate to reply to myself, but I figured I should say this now. My fault.

  32. two by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    two

  33. WARNING! by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 4, Funny

    Asteroids may be closer than they appear.

    1. Re:WARNING! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      LINUX

      Linux Is Not Useful

    2. Re:WARNING! by HermanAB · · Score: 1

      Heh, there are about 2 billion Linux embedded devices out there - far more than the total number of MS Windoze systems, so I guess Windoze is even less useful - Oh, well, what the hell...

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  34. Figures... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As usual, this is Sun's fault.

  35. Frickin' hell, the galactic wars have started! by michaeldot · · Score: 1

    I knew people from planet Apple were almost as dedicated as people from planet Penguin, but I didn't think they wanted to destroy poor peace-loving Microsoft and its fledgling earth colony *that* much.

    Er, what do you mean I've confused the stories? The Asteroid is for the Mac, right?

    1. Re:Frickin' hell, the galactic wars have started! by back_pages · · Score: 1

      Grassroots Moderation: -1 Not funny.

    2. Re:Frickin' hell, the galactic wars have started! by michaeldot · · Score: 1

      Oh lighten up, Santa Claus. I just summarized the whole of season 3 of Enterprise with entities the /. crowd would be familiar with.

  36. Astronomy Front Guard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    "Well, I think the best use of the new James Web tele... oh HEY What The ... QUICK, GET ON THE WARNING ... Oh shoot ... that was close ... nevermind."

  37. What's the burning about? by Elkboy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Speaking of asteroids... I've heard somewhere that the burning of objects that enter the atmosphere being caused by friction is a misconception. Instead, it's actually heating caused by the immense air pressure that's created when an object moves fast enough through air. Is this true?

    1. Re:What's the burning about? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I've heard somewhere that the burning of objects that enter the atmosphere being caused by friction is a misconception. Instead, it's actually heating caused by the immense air pressure that's created when an object moves fast enough through air. Is this true?

      And heating due to rapid motion is different from friction how?

    2. Re:What's the burning about? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      And heating due to rapid motion is different from friction how?

      Yay, a question I know the answer to! (I'm a fluid dynamicist). The difference is that friction is a fundamentally irreversible process--it removes free energy from the system, whereas (essentially adiabatic) compression is a reversible process. Free energy could, in principle, be extracted from the compressed/heated gas in front of the asteroid.

      Mathematically, friction enters the equations through a viscosity term, which removes energy; compression enters through pressure and momentum (and temperature, through an equation of state). The terms are separate.

  38. Re:Well if I'm going to be obliterated by an aster by fyngyrz · · Score: 5, Insightful
    No, no -- you must be from some other earth. Here, we don't spend money on planetary defense, we spend it on sports figures, actors, and politicians. And porn, of course.

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  39. Warning Shot by RealBorg · · Score: 1

    May there be a higher beeing that just gave our politicians and the corporations corrupting them a warning shot?

    1. Re:Warning Shot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      May there be a higher beeing that just gave our politicians and the corporations corrupting them a warning shot?

      Maybe this higher being would then stop the larger meteorite? Or make us all star childs ;)

  40. Tell that to Bikini Atoll... by mosel-saar-ruwer · · Score: 1

    At the moment, we have no defense against a planet-killing asteroid

    Bikini Atoll might argue otherwise.

    Seriously, if there are any Nuke-E guys out there [who would know what they're talking about] - what would be the effect of outer space detonation? Within the atmosphere, much of the damage to structures is caused by the shock wave travelling through the atmosphere - but, of course, in outer space, there is no atmosphere.

    If you were to detonate on an asteroid, would [the 50% of the total] radiation that heads toward the asteroid be sufficient to rip apart the crystalline infrastructure of the rock?

    1. Re:Tell that to Bikini Atoll... by BrianH · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Correct, a nuke detonated against an asteroid could conceivably break it up or change its course. It's just a shame that we don't have a delivery system with the range, speed, or accuracy needed to actually HIT an incoming asteroid.

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    2. Re:Tell that to Bikini Atoll... by SonicBurst · · Score: 3, Informative

      OK, I am totally guessing here and I'm sure I'm so far wrong it is funny, but I'll still say it anyway.... You point out that there wouldn't be any atmosphere. So, much less shockwave, since there isn't much there to carry it. However, the physical energy released by the bomb must go somewhere. Would it not be *more* focused on the asteroid, since it is the most available medium? Please don't flame me too bad for this wild speculation :)

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    3. Re:Tell that to Bikini Atoll... by SuperBigGulp · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wrong. We have have an accurate delivery system in the form of Clint Eastwood, Tommy Lee Jones, Donald Sutherland, and James Garner.

      If we need a second chance, maybe they can get Lance Bass.

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    4. Re:Tell that to Bikini Atoll... by jericho4.0 · · Score: 1
      Yes, marginly more enegy would be imparted to the asteroid, but less kinetic energy. I imagine a good chunk of the asteroid would vapourize, and the resulting out gassing would give it a kick.

      To really do any good, one would drive the warhead into the asteroid before detonation

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    5. Re:Tell that to Bikini Atoll... by ozmanjusri · · Score: 3, Informative

      To really do any good, one would drive the warhead into the asteroid before detonation

      No, that would just break it up and make it worse. Some fragments might be accelerated sideways enough to miss the earth, but more will be accelerated forward or backward along the asteroid's current path. The result would be like being hit by shotgun blasts as the earth rotated through the asteroid fragments.

      The total energy imparted to the planet by the asteroid would remain the same, but it would be spread over a greater area.

      A better idea would be to use a stand-off blast where the nuke is detonated alongside the asteroid to give it a sideways shove and deflect it whole, but even this would be extremely inefficient, and you'd need to identify the trajectories very early.

      NB, to the grandparent poster, the fact that the asteroid is the only object in the vicinity of the explosion would have no affect on the amount of energy it receives.

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    6. Re:Tell that to Bikini Atoll... by badman99 · · Score: 0

      Wouldn't it be a better idea to just work out where exactly it is going to hit. I mean if it was a small asteroid heading towards Iraq why bother trying to stop it.

    7. Re:Tell that to Bikini Atoll... by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Actually the old Nike Zeus/Spartan antiballistic missle from the late 60s early 70s might have the range and speed. But it is unlikly that it chould it hit far enough away to make a big difference.

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    8. Re:Tell that to Bikini Atoll... by goon+america · · Score: 1

      Lance Bass' agent called, he said Lance's got too many other big projects to save the Earth right now. He suggested contacting that guy who played A.C. Slater, or maybe the voice of Alf.

    9. Re:Tell that to Bikini Atoll... by techno-vampire · · Score: 1
      No, that would just break it up and make it worse.

      Maybe, maybe not. Remember, each fragment heading towards us has to go through the atmosphere and be ablated by it before impact. There's a good chance that most, if not all of them will be too small to survive and even if some hit, it will be a number of small smacks, not one big WHAM!

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    10. Re:Tell that to Bikini Atoll... by BrianH · · Score: 1

      Exactly. The best we could hope for using our current technology is to nuke the thing a few minutes before it hits the atmosphere. It's too late to do much good at that point.

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    11. Re:Tell that to Bikini Atoll... by ozmanjusri · · Score: 2, Informative

      There's a good chance that most, if not all of them will be too small to survive and even if some hit, it will be a number of small smacks, not one big WHAM

      I think the problems will be caused by energy being imparted to the earth by millions of tonnes of rock at high velocities rather than the impacts with the ground.

      What do you think the result of flash-heating the upper atmosphere to several thousand degrees for several hours is likely to be?

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    12. Re:Tell that to Bikini Atoll... by Detritus · · Score: 1
      In space, a nuclear device can be treated as a black body radiator. Most of the energy is emitted as soft x-rays.

      On the Earth's surface, much of the nuclear device's energy is transformed into blast and thermal effects by a complicated set of interactions with the atmosphere. See Effects of Nuclear Explosions.

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    13. Re:Tell that to Bikini Atoll... by Demolition · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually the old Nike Zeus/Spartan antiballistic missle from the late 60s early 70s might have the range and speed. But it is unlikly that it chould it hit far enough away to make a big difference.

      Probably not.

      The Zeus EX/Spartan had an operating ceiling of only 560 km (350 mi) and maximum range of 740 km (460 mi). I've read that the ideal range to intercept an asteroid/comet, so that its trajectory is altered enough to guarantee a complete miss, is 300 million km (186 million mi). That's because such an object would be travelling very quickly (as much as 60,000+ km/h) and we'd need a lot of lead time (at least a week) to figure out the object's composition and course, and prepare a missile/payload that could alter its course (or destroy it).

      In other words, I don't think that anti-missile technology from the 1950s (or even present-day technology, for that matter) is going to save us.

      D.

    14. Re:Tell that to Bikini Atoll... by Kenardy · · Score: 1

      "What do you think the result of flash-heating the upper atmosphere to several thousand degrees for several hours is likely to be?"

      I dunno. What makes you think this would happen? If it did, probably we could all take the day off work.

    15. Re:Tell that to Bikini Atoll... by techno-vampire · · Score: 2, Insightful
      What do you think the result of flash-heating the upper atmosphere to several thousand degrees for several hours is likely to be?

      Several hours? How long do you think it takes a rock to fall through the atmosphere? Less than a minute or so. And, unless all the fragments go through the exact same spot one after the other, the energy will disperse. The reason you have to worry about the impact is that the energy is transferred to something solid (At those speeds water can be considered solid because it can't move out of the way fast enough.) and turns into shock waves.

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    16. Re:Tell that to Bikini Atoll... by child_of_mercy · · Score: 1

      Newton's Third Law.

      Forget vaporising it, the high velocity ejection of particles would move the course a long, long way.

      Unless things are so desperate they're trying to pop it in close orbit you won't need much of a deviation to see it off.

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    17. Re:Tell that to Bikini Atoll... by sjames · · Score: 1

      No, that would just break it up and make it worse. Some fragments might be accelerated sideways enough to miss the earth, but more will be accelerated forward or backward along the asteroid's current path. The result would be like being hit by shotgun blasts as the earth rotated through the asteroid fragments.

      Actually, if you can make the fragments small enough, they'll burn upin the atmosphere which would greatly reduce it's effect on the Earth.

    18. Re:Tell that to Bikini Atoll... by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      The total energy imparted to the planet by the asteroid would remain the same, but it would be spread over a greater area.

      Exactly. Force spread out over a larger area is always better. This is why people can lay on a bed of nails, whereas if they were to stand up, the nails would puncture. Plus the asteroid would have a greater surface area (like crushed ice), which means more of it (if not all of it) would burn up on entry.

    19. Re:Tell that to Bikini Atoll... by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1

      If we found out about it early enough -- mind you this would need to be a couple of orbits ahead -- we could conceivably mount a mass driver of some type -- an ion engine comes to mind -- and slowly change course over time. If it was ice or some other low-temp volatile, it could possibly be ablated and the vapour moved away by managing relative charges between the ionised vapour and the orbiting body (which might be an interesting problem in itself).

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    20. Re:Tell that to Bikini Atoll... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's already well documented that we'd have to send up a crew consisting mainly of Bruce Willis, Michael Clark Duncan, Ben Affleck, and Steve Buscemi to drill a hole in the asteroid, drop in the nuke, and then fight over who gets to stay behind and pull the trigger.

    21. Re:Tell that to Bikini Atoll... by pekkak · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, some (many?) asteroids are kind of porous, so they can absorb lots of kinetic energy and still stay intact and on course. So, nukes wouldn't help even if you could hit the asteroid with one. Ahem. That's all I know on the subject. Actually I saw it on tv recently, so it must be true.

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    22. Re:Tell that to Bikini Atoll... by Stealth+Potato · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, let's run some numbers, shall we?

      Warning! Gross oversimplifications and estimates follow! :-)

      For the purposes of this problem, we'll assume the ginormous million-year doomsday rock, a 1000-m diameter chunk of iron. A 1000-meter sphere of iron has a mass of 3.30 × 10^13 kilograms. At an impact speed of, say, 30 km/s (approximately Earth's speed of orbit around the sun), that rock has a total of (1/2) * (3.30×10^13 kg) * (3×10^4 m/s)^2 = 1.5 × 10^22 Joules of kinetic energy.

      Now, let's make some assumptions about the atmosphere. We'll assume the atmosphere is of uniform density, distribution, and composition, and about 120km high (not a terrible approximation, but not a good one either). The volume of the atmosphere is then (4/3) * pi * ((6.498×10^6)^3 - (6.378×10^6)^3) = 6.25 × 10^19 m^3.

      The density of air at sea level is approximately 1.29 kg/m^3, so the mass of our atmosphere is then (6.25×10^19 m^3) * (1.29kg/m^3) = 8.06 × 10^19 kg.

      If we assume the volume remains constant, the specific heat of the atmosphere is 716 J/kg*K, so the introduction of 1.5 × 10^22 Joules of energy will result in a temperature increase of dT = E / (m*s) = (1.5 × 10^22) / (8.06 × 10^19 kg * 716 J/kg*K) = 0.26 K

      So, in summary, a 1-km diameter asteroid made entirely of iron, travelling at 30km/s relative to the Earth, and assuming all the kinetic energy was converted to thermal energy and spread evenly across the entire globe, would raise worldwide temperature by less than half a degree celsius.

      Now, if we assume a rock like the one supposed to have extinguished the dinosaurs, i.e., a 10-km rock, which consequently has 1000 times the mass, then the global temperature change could be as high as 260 degrees celsius, which is where things really start cooking.

      If I made any slip-ups in my math, please point them out. It's entirely possible, since I didn't bother double-checking. Although I made so many liberal assumptions anyway that if you use these numbers for anything, you're crazy. This was more a diversion into the sort of problem you'd find in an elementary physics textbook than an actual scientific exercise. :-)

    23. Re:Tell that to Bikini Atoll... by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

      "However, the physical energy released by the bomb must go somewhere."

      Depends on how you want to define "physical." Most of the shockwave we come to associate with nuclear detonations here on Earth is the result of the great deal of thermal energy put out by the bomb. The air gets real hot real fast and wants to expand (immediately).

      There is an explosive blast involved (which is what would push an Orion ship), but it's not nearly as much as the shockwave.

      "Would it not be *more* focused on the asteroid,"

      How would it "know" to put more energy in one direction and not in another?

      "since it is the most available medium?"

      Most of the energy put out by The Bomb is electromagnetic (heat, light, gamma rays), which doesn't really need a medium. The damage done by The Bomb comes when something tries to get in the way of that electromagnetic radiation and ends up absorbing it, the something's atoms getting smacked around by high-energy photons.

    24. Re:Tell that to Bikini Atoll... by ScouseMouse · · Score: 1

      Doesnt matter. All we need to do is get the CIA to fire all its Orbiting brain lasers at the asteroid for a few days. I've played Freespace, i know Lasers can break up asteroids :-)

    25. Re:Tell that to Bikini Atoll... by modavis · · Score: 1

      The Nike Zeus (1959) had a range of 320 km, the Spartan (1968) 740 km. As for the chance that either could get its 5-MT warhead close enough to harm a 16-foot lump of rock or nickel-iron rather than a much more delicate RV...

      Let us pray.

    26. Re:Tell that to Bikini Atoll... by Benm78 · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I didn't check the calculations, but I see a few problems with the assumptions:

      We'll assume the atmosphere is of uniform density, distribution, and composition, and about 120km high (not a terrible approximation, but not a good one either).

      The atmosphere is not that thick really. There is atmosphere up to this height, but its density is minuscule at an altitude of say 100 km. If you would assume constant density, it would be safe to assume a thickness twice the altitude where pressure is half that at sea level. This equates to around 2*5km, since at 5km pressure is 0.5 atm, and 50% of the air mass is contained below this level.

      This would increase the temperature rise 60-fold, an increase of 15K... which would probably not kill us all, but would have great impact on life.

      On the positive side, much of the energy generated will be radiated into space (over half of all radiation produced is directed away from earth). As the whole process probably occurs at high temperature, much of the energy will be radiant.

      Finally, the other half of the radiant energy will strike the ground, heating up soil and water, increasing the total amount of mass that absorbes the energy.

      Pretty complex stuff ;)

    27. Re:Tell that to Bikini Atoll... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From my (limited) understanding of the subject, I don't think we're really worried about a rise in temperature directly related to the asteroid strike. The primary concern (for those not located under the asteroid) is that it will kick up truly massive amounts of dust, blocking out the sun and lowering the overall temperature. This kills the plants, so the plant eating animals die, then the carnivores who live off of those animals, and so on. Some people think that this could even lead to another ice age. Additionally, there is the theory that such an impact could cause all the volcanoes on earth to erupt at basically the same time, which probably wouldn't make any of us happy.

    28. Re:Tell that to Bikini Atoll... by SonicBurst · · Score: 1

      How would it "know" to put more energy in one direction and not in another?

      Well, you say most of the energy is thermal energy. I would imagine that since there are 2 places for that energy to go (ie the rock or radiate in to space), that since a vacuum transfers heat rather poorly compared to rock, that the rock would be the recipient of more heat than if it were surrounded by air. Again, just a guess.

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    29. Re:Tell that to Bikini Atoll... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would think that you would have to take into account the heat capacity of the earth itself (it seems like a pretty non-negligiable factor).

    30. Re:Tell that to Bikini Atoll... by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1
      Finally, the other half of the radiant energy will strike the ground, heating up soil and water, increasing the total amount of mass that absorbes the energy.

      Actually, wouldn't the vast majority of the objects mass be embedded deeply underground? It seems like most of the kinetic energy would be transferred directly into the earth and not absorbed by the atmosphere. Not that we want random huge packets of energy impacting our planet, but soil and rock are much better heat sinks than our little atmosphere.

      I don't study such things so I don't know if that even makes sense, but it seems reasonable to my untrained brain.

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    31. Re:Tell that to Bikini Atoll... by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Well, as long as they don't send Mr. Bean ...

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    32. Re:Tell that to Bikini Atoll... by Devi0s · · Score: 1

      Maybe we can just hit the asteroid with Lance Bass until it gives up.

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    33. Re:Tell that to Bikini Atoll... by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

      "that since a vacuum transfers heat rather poorly compared to rock,"

      The key word is "transfer." You're talking about heat leaving one body and going into a second through some means. Here, there's only one body, the asteroid; when The Bomb goes off, it isn't a body of mass trying to radiate heat so much as it is the heat itself (infrafred photons, et al). It's not trying to radiate, it is radiation.

    34. Re:Tell that to Bikini Atoll... by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      Actually, if you can make the fragments small enough, they'll burn upin the atmosphere which would greatly reduce it's effect on the Earth.

      Of course, these chunks of rock still have the same energy as before, except that now they transfer all of it to the atmmosphere. It'd be better if we did nothing.

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    35. Re:Tell that to Bikini Atoll... by Alan+Jay+Weiner · · Score: 1

      and now it's on the Internet - that confirms it's true.

    36. Re:Tell that to Bikini Atoll... by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 1
      Actually, No.

      Nuclear detonations work a bit differently in the vacuum of space. Without much in the way of material to heat up and acellerate outward at hypersonic speed, all you really get is a massive flash of X-rays.

      What we generally see on the Earth's surface as an atomic bomb explosion is mostly the effects from superheating a large volume of air, which is why fuel air bombs look so much like them.

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    37. Re:Tell that to Bikini Atoll... by sjames · · Score: 1

      Of course, these chunks of rock still have the same energy as before, except that now they transfer all of it to the atmmosphere. It'd be better if we did nothing.

      However, some will miss, so some percentage of the total kinetic energy will NOT transfer. None of it will go into throwing a huge dustcloud into the atmosphere to compound the problem.

    38. Re:Tell that to Bikini Atoll... by demachina · · Score: 1

      "In other words, I don't think that anti-missile technology from the 1950s (or even present-day technology, for that matter) is going to save us"

      Damn straight. If a recent test is any indication its not a certainty "present-day technology" can even make it out of the silo or if it does hit anything(though asteroids are probably a little easier to target than a ballistic missile warhead).

      Despite the fact they haven't successfully launched one of the new ABM's in two years, and when they did their track record was poor in tightly controlled tests President Bush is still going to declare the system operational soon. Its apparently lost on him that for a defense system to be a creditable deterant your potential foes have to believe that it works. North Korea if they were to go insane and a launch a few missiles at the U.S. with nukes on board could deduce they probably have a better than 50% chance of success with one missile against this system and with 3 or 4 a near certainty of success. Then the U.S. would probably blow them back in to the stone age.

      I really do appreciate all the stupid things my government squanders my tax dollars on while they fail miserably at dealing with the greenhouse effect or an asteroid strike that would wipe life and or civilization off the face of the plant, or a broken education and health care system. That said I'm I'm not sure it would be a bad thing if something did wipe out civilization and leave a smattering of life to start over(preferably without the genetic traits or upbringing that produce politicians).

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    39. Re:Tell that to Bikini Atoll... by Stealth+Potato · · Score: 1

      Yeah, exactly. If the object actually strikes the earth, a lot of the energy will be used in the production of the gigantic crater. :-)

      But the discussion (I think, anyway) was about what might happen if the asteroid was broken apart before it hit. If that happened, and the asteroid was in millions of small pieces instead of one huge piece, those small pieces might all conceivably burn up in the atmosphere before striking the ground, in which case much of the energy _would_ go to heating up the air. The earth itself would absorb some heat from the atmosphere, but that would be a very slow process compared to the sudden introduction of energy from the burning chunks of rock.

    40. Re:Tell that to Bikini Atoll... by Stealth+Potato · · Score: 1

      Well, yeah, I was ignoring radiant energy. There's also the fact that not very many asteroids are solid spheres of iron. Most have a density nearer to 4 g/cc than 8. Also, you're right about the atmosphere thing, now that I give it some thought. I pulled the 120 number out of my hat because I thought I remembered seeing it used in a similar approximation. A much smaller number would have been nearer the mark.

    41. Re:Tell that to Bikini Atoll... by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1
      Actually the old Nike Zeus/Spartan antiballistic missle from the late 60s early 70s might have the range and speed. But it is unlikly that it chould it hit far enough away to make a big difference.

      Seems contradictory - it has the range, but couldn't hit it far enough away as to make a difference. If it can't hit it far enough away, it doesn't have the range.

      Actually, Nike X had trmendous acceleration, but not enoug deltaV to reach orbital speed, much less escape speed. So, no, they didn't have either the range or the speed.

      That said, we could probably build something that would conveniently fit in a Shuttle Cargo bay that could exceed escape speed and carry a nuclear weapon as a payload.

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    42. Re:Tell that to Bikini Atoll... by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1
      No, that would just break it up and make it worse. Some fragments might be accelerated sideways enough to miss the earth, but more will be accelerated forward or backward along the asteroid's current path.

      If it were accelerated forward along the asteroid's path, it would get to The Spot early. And Earth wouldn't be there yet. Miss.

      If it were accelerated backwards along the asteroid's path, it would get to The Spot late, and Earth would already have moved along past that point. Miss.

      There are no doubt velocity changes that could be imposed on a body that would result it in it hitting earth anyway, but they are much less likely than one might think.

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    43. Re:Tell that to Bikini Atoll... by fingerfucker · · Score: 1

      I understand that you were excusing your mathematical simplifications for the sake of being taken as an 'interesting' contribution, but despite any math put into this (which I don't believe is wrong), you made one fundamental assumption:

      You assumed that the entire kinetic energy of the impacting rock will be transferred into the heat of the atmosphere.

      However, my point is that this is no longer a "gross oversimplification" but a disgusting exercise in misleading people!

      Not considering the heat from mass burned and heat from kinetic energy transferred into the atmosphere, most of the energy will be energy transfer at impact -> the actual crash into the surface of the earth (causing earthquakes and whatnot). From the perspective of energy transfer, the heat-up of the atmosphere is likely to be negligible, as you can see.

    44. Re:Tell that to Bikini Atoll... by Stealth+Potato · · Score: 1

      True, but take another look at the context for my post. The discussion was about an object potentially being broken into small pieces, and thus burning up in the atmosphere before striking the Earth. In this instance, much of the energy would in fact be transferred directly to the atmosphere. Then, the only real energy loss is from radiant heat or possibly deflected matter, and conduction between the atmosphere and the ground; but none of these are as significant as the collision of an intact object with the ground.

    45. Re:Tell that to Bikini Atoll... by Benm78 · · Score: 1
      Ofcourse, if a big metal sphere would strike the earth, most of its mass would end up impacting the planet. With an object this size, that would be 'end-of-all-life' kind of bad.

      These calculations were made assuming the object could/would be fragmented before hitting the athmosphere, with fragments so small they would burn up before striking the ground.

      All in all, breaking up a huge object before it strikes seems to lead to a 'better' outcome of the whole ordeal.

    46. Re:Tell that to Bikini Atoll... by fingerfucker · · Score: 1

      True, I agree, in that context, the calculation makes sense.

      Another question remains though, whether the scenario of an object being broken into small pieces and thus burning up in the atmosphere is the most likely one. I do not have the type of scientific background that would allow me to make an opinion, but it is an interesting question indeed.

  41. Crap, my Asteroid destroying ship is only 1/3 done by Ibby · · Score: 1

    ^ ;)

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  42. Define: Irony by HeliumHigh · · Score: 2, Funny

    My slashdot fortune cookie:

    "This is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday. And now you know why."

  43. Re:Well if I'm going to be obliterated by an aster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I'd rather not see it coming.


    This should have been posted as "anonymous coward" 8-)

  44. well known cosmic blind spot? by zanderredux · · Score: 3, Funny
    how is it well known?

    I've never heard of it, until today!

    1. Re:well known cosmic blind spot? by GMFTatsujin · · Score: 1

      The worst thing about the cosmic blind spot is that it's contagous. If you look at it long enough, the entire UNIVERSE disappears from view!

    2. Re:well known cosmic blind spot? by OneArmedMan · · Score: 1

      Maybe the earth just needs some of those Funky bendy mirrors ... you know .. so we dont hit anything when changing Space Lanes

    3. Re:well known cosmic blind spot? by Capt'n+Hector · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's known by people who work in the field. There are several other blind spots in astronomy, though:

      1) the moon (although the moon itself is only ~0.5" across, telescopes need to stay far away from it...
      2) the earth (jokingly for earth-based stuff, serious for space telescopes)
      3) the galactic plane (unless of course you're looking at stuff in the galactic plane...)
      4) andromeda (it's friggin huge!)

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    4. Re:well known cosmic blind spot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe we should stick one of those little blind spot mirrors on the front of the Hubble so we can see these damn things.

    5. Re:well known cosmic blind spot? by builderbob_nz · · Score: 1

      A bit of clarification please, I'm not an astronimer and I work in metric, but what do you mean when you say the moon's blind spot is 0.5" across? I read that as half an inch, it that correct and if so, half an inch in what?

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    6. Re:well known cosmic blind spot? by Xentor · · Score: 1

      Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he means half of an arc-minute.

      A circle is 360 degrees (360')
      Each degree is broken into 60 minutes (60")

      So he's saying it's 0.5", or half of an arc minute, 1/120 of a degree.

      Basically, when you're looking through a telescope, you can't immediately tell how wide something is until you figure out how far away it is... But you can measure the change in viewing angle from one side of it to the other...

      Sorry if I'm not explaining it well... I'm a programmer. Astronomy is just one of many hobbies.

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    7. Re:well known cosmic blind spot? by Idarubicin · · Score: 1
      ...the moon itself is only ~0.5" across...

      Minor nitpick, and to answer another question in this thread.

      The moon is about half a degree across. Usually that's denoted by a little superscript circle, just as with temperature. Half a degree is about the size of an aspirin tablet held at arm's length.

      Alternately, that half degree can be written as 30' of arc--each degree can be subdivided into sixty minutes of arc (or arcminutes). Each minute of arc is in turn broken into sixty seconds of arc: 60" (arcseconds). The parent seems to have inadvertently shrunk the moon by a factor of 3600...oops.

      For reference, Hubble can resolve features down to 0.05"--50 milliarcseconds. Your eye can resolve point objects a little under 10' (ten arcminutes) apart.

      Also, to be fair, for locating asteroids, the galactic plane and Andromeda aren't really blind spots...they're a real pain in the neck if you're trying to do cosmology, though.

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    8. Re:well known cosmic blind spot? by Capt'n+Hector · · Score: 1

      OOps. I meant half a degree, so 0.5'. The moon is half a DEGREE wide. my bad.

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    9. Re:well known cosmic blind spot? by Capt'n+Hector · · Score: 1

      yeah. Degree. That's what I meant. Stupid friggin units!

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  45. Re:Might want to recheck the size ... by Rakishi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    2002 is different from 2004, I feel bad for your HS Math teacher.

  46. No they couldn't by BrianH · · Score: 3, Informative

    Despite what Hollywood would have you believe, ICBM's aren't designed to be launched into space and they have neither the thrust to propel a warhead out of our gravity well, nor the accuracy to hit anything smaller than 50km wide even if they did (and that's assuming that the asteroid is close). ICBM's were designed for one purpose...to put a small warhead within a few hundred yards of a stationary target less than 15,000 km away from the launch point. They are useless against moving targets hundreds of thousands of km away.

    There is nothing else we could throw at an incoming asteroid. The simple reality is that if we humans spotted a big rock coming at us, even with a month or two to prepare for it, all we could really do is dig a shelter, store food away, and pray that it comes down on the OTHER side of the planet.

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    1. Re:No they couldn't by gnuman99 · · Score: 1
      pray that it comes down on the OTHER side of the planet

      That, my friend, we don't have to do. We can calculate where it will come down (at least which side of the planet!) :)

    2. Re:No they couldn't by BrianH · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I should have been more specific. We can predict where and when it would come down but the course alterations due to its entering the gravity well would probably prevent the exact point of impact from being determined until the weeks, and possibly even days, before impact. Prior to that you're not going to get any more accurate that "it'll come down somewhere in north or south America, the Atlantic, or the Pacific", or possibly "Europe, western Asia, or Africa".

      So yeah, the people on the side of the planet that it was coming down on would know that their hemisphere was about to be hit, but no more than that. And honestly...what good would that information do? Even if we could narrow the impact site down to a continent sized area like North America, do you really think we could evacuate the entire United States, Canada, and Mexico in that period of time? Where would those 400 million people go?

      Nope, our technology simply isn't advanced enough to allow us to deflect, or even evacuate before impact, if a truly siseable asteroid ever stuck the Earth.

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    3. Re:No they couldn't by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 1

      Even if you can predict it, you still can't control it, so you might as well still pray.

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    4. Re:No they couldn't by esanbock · · Score: 2, Informative

      Evacuate them where? The skies would be darkened for years from the debris. Global famine would kill billions. Personally, I'm actually more worried about a supervolcano called "Yellowstone" taking out North America.

    5. Re:No they couldn't by child_of_mercy · · Score: 1

      Yes but we have boosters that can lift payloads into interplanetary space.

      and these asteroids are not a hard target.

      they have no countermeasures, their course is fixed, and we've got no plans to retrieve any payload we send out there.

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    6. Re:No they couldn't by HeghmoH · · Score: 1

      "The gravity well" isn't some mystical entity that affects things within it in strange ways. It follows a nice inverse-square law and its effects are very easy to calculate. If the object is a comet, it will be difficult to calculate its exact impact point because of outgassing and the like, but if it's an asteroid the impact point will probably be known weeks or months in advance.

      If we knew of a comet or asteroid coming to smack us down with enough lead time (months or years), we could certainly deflect it. As a last-ditch effort, an Orion spacecraft could be thrown together using available nuclear weapons. It would dump a ton of fallout into the atmosphere, but that's probably better than being smashed by a giant rock. If we had several years' warning, a more conventional mission using normal rockets to deflect the asteroid with a couple of nukes would be doable.

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    7. Re:No they couldn't by meringuoid · · Score: 1
      dig a shelter

      We might not necessarily need to do that... there are a lot of really massive holes in the ground already. I wonder how many people could take cover in the Channel Tunnel, for instance? Twenty-odd miles of it, deep in the rock under the sea. Given time to dig some side-tunnels, expand the complex a little, and you've got something that makes Vault 13 look pretty puny. I believe there's something similar in Japan - a tunnel to Hokkaido, IIRC. Enough underground space to save a couple of cities' worth of people, at least.

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    8. Re:No they couldn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea Fallout!

    9. Re:No they couldn't by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      There is nothing else we could throw at an incoming asteroid. The simple reality is that if we humans spotted a big rock coming at us, even with a month or two to prepare for it, all we could really do is dig a shelter, store food away, and pray that it comes down on the OTHER side of the planet.

      Wouldn't something like the National Missile Defense program be able to put a large enough warhead on the target to help out? Maybe 100 mile above the earth, or 15,000 mph, or 120lb warhead isn't enough...but hopefully with some bubblegum and bailing wire we could save humanity.

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    10. Re:No they couldn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Our recent failures trying to create a missle defense system is further evidence that we are not ready for this.

    11. Re:No they couldn't by LaCosaNostradamus · · Score: 1

      What good will that do?

      First, we assume the tunnels don't collapse from the earth shocks from a strike that's large enough to warrant packing whole city populations into them.

      Second, small strikes would leave many areas indirectly affected (nuclear winter), so a tunnel shelter isn't going to help.

      Third, about the only thing a shelter like that would help with is protection from a heat pulse. When a strike is large enough, the debris from the forming crater will enter low orbits and then re-enter, which raises air temperature to lethal levels.

      Fourth, if the strike is large enough, extended sheltering isn't going to help unless the protected population density is low. For tunnels, this doesn't translate into putting entire city populations into something like the Chunnel. Vast sections will have to be reserved for fuel storage and food production. The tunnel will have to function as a small town for about 10 years. The Chunnel could support at most 4000 people if properly stocked beforehand with fuel, food, seeds, animals, recycling equipment and materials, and finally all manner of tools.

      If the strike is large enough, the very structure of Human civilization will demand that a major fraction of the race simply die off. No preparations have been to save such numbers of people. If another Chicxulub is coming, and Humanity doesn't stop it from impacting the Earth, then over 95% of the race will perish within a year (and at least 50% in the first week -- that heat pulse is incredibly deadly). I'd say 99% will perish within 20 years. This may leave about 50 million people scraping out their livings in the New Stone Age.

      Stephen Baxter wrote a good novel called "Evolution" about how life reacts (poorly) to these strikes. Among other treatments, it will really reset your expectations about our chances.

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  47. Warning: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Objects in telescope are closer than they appear.

  48. Near-misses unnoticed by adam31 · · Score: 3, Funny
    But many near misses by small asteroids likely go unnoticed

    I think the Slashdot effect is very similar...
    submit a story, it gets rejected, and a server admin sleeps quietly through the night.

    One day... Mr Beer-Powered Robot Man. Just keep that site running......

    1. Re:Near-misses unnoticed by karl_a_hall · · Score: 1
      But many near misses by small asteroids likely go unnoticed

      Wouldn't those be near hits? A near miss actually does hit!

  49. 16 ft??? by brain007 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Ok, of ALL the asteroids to talk about, space.com reports on a 16 ft rock that poses no threat at all to life on this rock?

    Why don't we get a listing of every meteor that comes down? How big are the meteorites that actually hit the ground normally if this would have gone pow way up in the sky?

    I think that more money shold be spent on finding asteroids that could kill us and ways to prevent that, but reporting on near misses with grains of dust comparative to Earth seems to be counter productive.

    I recall seeing a video that someone took at a high school football game one time and they saw a big meteor coming down and got a good view of it. I do believe it was larger then 16 ft.

  50. Ain't happenin'. They don't have any oil up there. by melted · · Score: 1

    So no, they won't be "liberated".

  51. Asteroid Defence by wheelbarrow · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    We need to position something in orbit that we can hurl at incoming asteroids. The impact from the high speed collision would break the asteroid up or deflect it. To be effective, the collision object will need to be quite large. I propose that we position Michael Moore in orbit with some big accelerator rockets lashed to his back. Be a good citizen, Michael, your planet needs you.

  52. Frequent Close Calls by respite · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is it just me, or does it seem like we have one of these each month.

    Are they becoming more frequent, or is it that we can monitor them more effectively now.

    1. Re:Frequent Close Calls by shadowsurfr1 · · Score: 1

      I'd go with the latter one there.

  53. now all we need ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is for a military satellite to be hit by one and we can have ww3

  54. Re: Illiteracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm no republican, but I have to say, that wasn't even coherent.

  55. Video here by Nine+Tenths+of+The+W · · Score: 1

    Scary fireball thingy

    Unfortunately there's no background objects visible so it's impossible to judge the scale

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  56. Re: Illiteracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    the red state ghettos are only in the blue dominated areas within the state. High poverty and high crime rate? It will vote Democratic.

  57. 30,300 miles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    assuming a radar installation on the other side of the earth at the time.

  58. Can't be the Martians by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 1

    After all, they are nice and look after our rovers.

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  59. Is this a hoax? by SavageSMC · · Score: 1

    When I went to the webpage, my norton internet security informed me someone was trying to do an overflow exploit on my computer.

    Either that webpage has an error in it, or someone put a link on /. that is used to compromise peoples computers.

    BEWARE!

    1. Re:Is this a hoax? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or Norton Internet Security is a piece of junk

      ever consider that possibility?

    2. Re:Is this a hoax? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      are you on windows or semethink..

  60. Not just friction by Tony · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you compress a gas, the temperature of the gas increases, When you expand a gas, the temperature of the gas decreases (which is why those compressed air cans get cold when you use them). Quite a bit of the heat generated by a meteor is caused by the compression of the atmosphere as the meteor enters the atmosphere. As the atmosphere re-expands behind the meteor, it cools back down; but the meteor is in a constant hot-spot.

    Friction does play a part. Heat is created as the potential energy of the meteor is converted to kinetic energy (due to acceleration as it loses speed with respect to the atmosphere).

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  61. radar doesn't work in space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that asteroid couldn't have flown "under the radar" cuz radar doesn't work in space.

    sorry, i had to say it. :-)

    1. Re:radar doesn't work in space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sonar?

    2. Re:radar doesn't work in space by CRC'99 · · Score: 1

      I can't see any reason why radar wouldn't work in space....

      All a radar uses is high-powered radio waves that bounce off an object, and is detected again by a receiver... This wouldn't fail just because of a lack of gravity and/or atmosphere - as radio waves still work in space...

      Or is there something else?

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    3. Re:radar doesn't work in space by fnord_uk · · Score: 1

      you could always try sonar... fnord_uk

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    4. Re:radar doesn't work in space by lachlan76 · · Score: 1

      It works in space...although I can't think of any radars in space for viewing stuff in space, reconsats use it, probably others do, and we used it to find SOHO when we lost it at one point.

    5. Re:radar doesn't work in space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      The giant radio astronomy dish in Arecibo has been used in the past for radar mapping Venus, basically zapping a giant radio signal to see what was under the cloud cover. Also, while this is more similar to terrestial techniques, the Magellan spacecraft that went to Venus and kinda made the Arecibo bounces obsolete mapped the planet using radar. Many of the regular Mars orbiters carry radar mapping equipment, to the point where we often know more about the topography on Mars than Earth (with its oceans).

  62. If only... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...that fucker had taken out the united states of arrogance.

  63. My name on it? by davideo_ID · · Score: 1

    Has anyone checked if this was the one with my name on it?

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  64. X? by fnord_uk · · Score: 1

    Was that Planet X then? fnord_uk

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  65. Re:Well if I'm going to be obliterated by an aster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    dont forget stopping Saddam's WMD!

  66. If we have enough nukes to blow up the world 10 ti by gumbysworld · · Score: 0

    If we have enough nukes to blow up the world 10 times over. I think we can blow up a tiny rock.

    It would take an asteroid 11 times the size of earth for us to be in danger.

  67. I know this was just a fire drill... by Adrilla · · Score: 1

    But, anybody know how I get on the list for that presidential underground bunker, end of the world thingee. (PS: even if you knew first, I call dibs)

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  68. Literally by UnpopularOpinion · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So... when you say 'literally', you mean 'metaphorically' right? As in not literally under a radar... *sigh*

    1. Re:Literally by arodland · · Score: 1

      Well

      Under is defined by 'down'.
      Down, for our purposes, is the direction that's towards the Earth.
      There are a number of radar satellites in geosync orbit, pointed at Earth.
      The object passed inside (closer to Earth than) geosync orbit.

      So arguably, it did literally go "under the radar." But of course, the usual connotation of "under the radar" is that you're low enough to avoid radar detection, which certainly doesn't apply to satellites looking down. So it's still silly.

    2. Re:Literally by CaptainAvatar · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, yeah, and there's also the fact that nobody uses radar to discover these things anyway. It's all done with mirrors - that is to say, optical telescopes.

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    3. Re:Literally by shmergin · · Score: 1

      ^ Parent is insightful? No, i think you will find that the author was saying that the asteroid flew between the outermost satellites in GS orbit and the earth (ie: 'under' them). I am too lazy to find out if any at that distance have radar, but you get his point.
      Why is it that no matter what is written, there is an army of grammar/context nazis waiting to cut it down?

  69. Obligatory Simpsons Quote by Brad1138 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Homer: "So there's a commet. Big deal. It'll burn up in our atmosphere and whatever's left will be no bigger than a Chihuahua's head."
    Bart: "Wow, dad. Maybe you're right."
    Homer: "Of course I'm right. If I'm not may we all be horribly crushed from above somehow."

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    1. Re:Obligatory Simpsons Quote by LuckyPhil · · Score: 2, Funny

      (from same episode)

      Moe: Quick... lets burn down the observatory so that this never happens again!!

  70. wow!!! by adeydas · · Score: 0

    wow, a gravel passed a football... the only thing interesting here is the cosmic blind spot thing...

  71. Is this a problem? by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 2, Insightful
    This is like worrying about that dust particle that almost hit me when I was walking out to my var Monday.

    We don't have to spot the 16 footers.

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  72. Re:If we have enough nukes to blow up the world 10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    or if we blow up the world first the rock won't hit it..

  73. Slashdot Article Completely Inaccurate by MyNameIsMok · · Score: 1

    hi,
    I just finished reading the first part of the article linked in the original thread at space.com. They claim the object was between 40 and 80 meters (130-260 feet) in diameter, that it passed within 298,400 miles (480,200 km) (1.2x the distance to the moon) and that this occured on March 8th, 2004.
    How did /. get the contents of the article so wrong? Are you turning into a sensationalist tabloid? Maybe we should fling /. out to moon if that's the case.
    sTc

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    1. Re:Slashdot Article Completely Inaccurate by The+Cisco+Kid · · Score: 3, Informative

      There were two asteroids. The link labeled 'blind spot' was a link to an earlier, larger one. The link actually labelled '16 foot asteroid' described the smaller one.

      Both discuss the 'blind spot'

  74. Star Wars by Credible · · Score: 1

    All this BS about astroids is not JUST a way to give NASA money it is a way to justify the militarization of space. With NASA being just one of the many "money laundering" operations for that end. Yes, I am scared of an astroid impact. Just like everyday I worry about being hit by lightning while on my way to collecting on my winning lottery ticket.

  75. Re:Well if I'm going to be obliterated by an aster by badman99 · · Score: 0

    I've always thought of Porn, as a sort of, poor mans prostitute. Or was that just my brothers inflatable girlfriend....Hmmm go figure

  76. get paid to save the planet by 2TecTom · · Score: 1

    sheesh .. so little imagination, all you need is a hoppyist telescope, motor drive, a serial or usb ccd, a distributed client and a cash bounty for every new object found

    doesn't that sound like a geek's dream job - sit at home, drink jolt and save the planet .. for cash

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  77. ObMarvin by sconeu · · Score: 1

    Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom!

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    1. Re:ObMarvin by Lost+Penguin · · Score: 1

      That "creature" has stolen the space modulator...

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  78. Russian Roulette.. by rmdyer · · Score: 1

    Then the astronauts in the international space station, or the shuttle, or anyone for that matter who travel into space are really playing russian roulette. If an object over the size of a meter, or a baseball, hit a spacecraft then I'm sure the spacecraft wouldn't survive the impact...depending of course on how fast it was traveling.

    I always wondered why they threw out this idea so readily when the Columbia disaster happened. It is perfectly feasable that Columbia may have been hit. Personally, if I were an astronaut I would be worried about this phenomenon a lot. Granted the chances are slim, but in space there's no atmosphere to protect them. For that matter, I wondered why it was so easy for the Voyager 2(?) spacecraft to fly through the rings of Saturn. But I have read that there are kilometers of distance between the objects in the rings.

    Also, have astronomers really accounted for the huge amount of space debris (matter) that are spat out by supernova in there calculations on the mass of the universe? I mean asteroids are dark, and one the size of a house isn't likely to be seen over a light year away. So if there were billions of them strewn between the stars how would we know? What if most of them have a large mass? Would far off stars ever twinkle if a really large asteriod came between us and the star? What is really out there in deep space that doesn't glow? What if all those proposed hypernovas I've heard about recently filled space-time many years ago with asteroid type matter. It just isn't seen until it clusters into galaxies and ignites as a suns and reflects as planets?

  79. FAKE NEWS! YOU ARE EDUCATED STUPID! by Eric_Cartman_South_P · · Score: 0, Troll

    THIS NEWS IS FAKE. You are wrong and deceived. 4 sided earth can not be destroyed. Cubism protects life and good and not you and your non-cube beliefs. You will be doomed as 4-sided time-cube life lives on good. Ignorant dumb educated by non-cubic time.

    1. Re:FAKE NEWS! YOU ARE EDUCATED STUPID! by Lacrymator · · Score: 1

      Uh Eric, a cube has 6 sides..

    2. Re:FAKE NEWS! YOU ARE EDUCATED STUPID! by Eric_Cartman_South_P · · Score: 1

      I was burning some Karma to make fun of this nut case. Get ready to laugh this nutjob thinks he's serious.

      http://timecube.com/

    3. Re:FAKE NEWS! YOU ARE EDUCATED STUPID! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh come on if you're gonna do it you gotta do it right. The correct answer to "but a cube has six sides" is "NO, YOU WERE EDUCATED STUPID TOO! IT HAS FOUR SIDES, A TOP AND A BOTTOM!"

      You need to catch up on your timecube too, buddy!

    4. Re:FAKE NEWS! YOU ARE EDUCATED STUPID! by Lacrymator · · Score: 1

      Eric, Thanks for pointing out the karma thing to me. That was my first comment ( a lame one, but hey) and I didn't see that yet.. Lac

    5. Re:FAKE NEWS! YOU ARE EDUCATED STUPID! by Eric_Cartman_South_P · · Score: 1

      Welcome to slashdot. w0o0ot!

  80. You can count on one thing ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... if we DID ever find something heading towards Earth, you can bet your bottom that the Europeans and Asians et. al. that dislike America so much would suddenly be expecting US to DO something about the problem ...

  81. We're all Doomed!! by failedlogic · · Score: 0

    Especially if we have to rely on Bruce Willis. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120591/ (Armageddon). Don't think he'd make a smart astronaut. Think he'd rather Die Hard: With a Vengence.

  82. Re:Well if I'm going to be obliterated by an aster by pVoid · · Score: 1

    And, don't forget: blowing pieces of this earth that belong to other people.

  83. Re:Well if I'm going to be obliterated by an aster by RobinH · · Score: 3, Funny

    And, don't forget: blowing pieces of this earth that belong to other people.

    Doesn't that fall under the porn category? :-)

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  84. If you do. . . by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 1
    I wonder if I could find that graph again?

    Find out who drafted it and what their affiliations were, because I'm of the opinion that it was almost certainly crap written by guys who either don't want to think about scary things, or who don't want you to think about scary things. Or both. (Nobody likes to drink alone, after all.)

    The media is designed to control and misdirect. NASA is a government body owned by the military and corporate interests, --the same people who own the media, and the filthy consumers like to feel safe and secure in their current fuzzed-out head-spaces.

    Comet disaster is the elephant in the living room. Or, one of them, anyway. There are several others. --From my understanding the Earth is on its way to being hammered by a whole lot of rocks all at once, and the boys at the very top know it. Hence, the underground bunkers and the mad scramble to secure resources. Among other things. The big shewww is expected sometime during the next eight years or there about. It ought to be interesting, to say the least! I hope I survive the police state to see it all come down. (Pun intended.)


    -FL

    1. Re:If you do. . . by danila · · Score: 1

      I saw the same or similar graph and it wasn't crap. Actually it wasn't designed to dissuade people there is anything scare about space rocks, on the contrary, it presented the real risks quite well. It's just that the data itself can't change public opinion. For that you either need the threat to become very real (e.g. a 10% hit by a 1 km asteroid or comet in 10 years) or for a lot of money to be spent on education. But most of the people who are in the position to understand and explain the danger get their funding from the very society which requires this education.

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  85. Re:Well if I'm going to be obliterated by an aster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Ha hah!!! nice.

    -pVoid

  86. I'll bite by 955301 · · Score: 1


    Assuming you are being seriously selfish, because our military is there.

    Obviously an American couch potato.

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    1. Re:I'll bite by badman99 · · Score: 0

      Actually an Australian one :)

  87. That is very reassuring. . . by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 1
    Now consider a rain storm of such rocks in the hundreds of thousands, or more. Rocks of this sort come from somewhere after all. They tend to travel in huge clusters, being disturbed from their regular spots in the Kuiper Belt as they are by a certain enormous passing gravity well which makes up the un-ignited other half of our binary star system. --And no, you probably won't hear about that in school or on the 'Discovery' channel.

    But whatever the cause, there are without question massive geologic features on this planet which suggest that such rock-storms have happened in the past, and are in fact fairly regular events which are probably cyclical. --Their cyclical nature results from the fact that rock clusters don't go away, but continue to orbit.

    There is also reason to think that we're not just entering such a cycle again, but that the cluster of rocks are a fresh lot. It's not about one big rogue asteroid. When the shit hits it's probably not going to be isolated to just one event.

    Of course, many people who don't like to think about scary ideas, or indeed any ideas which did not appear in their state-sanctioned text books, -such people will tell you that the huge increase in the number of recent news stories about rocks hitting the ground are simply the result of better reporting techniques and that nothing has otherwise changed. I think such people are not dealing with full data, and often not even the desire to have full data, but that's just me.

    What you believe is up to you.


    -FL

    1. Re:That is very reassuring. . . by Control+Group · · Score: 1
      You know, there are plenty of things I didn't hear about in school and don't see on the Discovery channel.

      There are also plenty of things said by random people on slashdot with no supporting evidence or documentation of any kind.

      The former case does not make said things untrue. The latter case does not make said things true.

      You, Fantastic though you may be, fall into the latter category. While I hesitate to dismiss concepts out of hand simply because I haven't encountered them, if you're going to make bold assertions about the "unignited half" (whatever that means; I wasn't aware that solar masses needed to be doused in starter fluid and lit with a match...I was under the impression that it was a sort of natural result of that much mass, but that's just me) of our binary star system, you're going to have to provide more evidence than just making an offhand reference to it.

      At least, you are if you want me to believe it.

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    2. Re:That is very reassuring. . . by Enigma_Man · · Score: 1

      What you believe is up to you.

      Good thing, if I had to believe your spew, I might as well start attending the local "conspiracy theorist" meetings, or pick up religion.

      Jeez..

      -Jesse

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  88. Saw one Explode at Football Game... by also+aswell · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It was back in maybe 1965/66? Dark night with no moon, playing an away game of jv football in Albemarle? NC.

    That sucker arced across 20% of the sky with a really orange red tail and exploded. Almost looked like dawn was coming, I waited for sound, started counting off seconds to range it's distance, but no sound ever came.

    Just for a moment I thought it was the Russians, but that's another story.

    Something I will never forget.

    And some asteroids come even closer, entering the atmosphere. Most never reach the ground because they break apart under the stress of entry. One study of data collected by U.S. military satellites logged 300 in-air asteroid explosions.

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    1. Re:Saw one Explode at Football Game... by LaCosaNostradamus · · Score: 1

      Yeah, pretty amazing, eh? These things can go off in the megaton range, but if they are high enough up (50km+), you won't hear anything (at least, over the normal background noise on the ground). That thin air really helps not carry the pressure wave, which we can detect as sound.

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  89. Re:Well if I'm going to be obliterated by an aster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Definitely! Asteroids should be a top spending priority! What could be more important than Asteroids! I will write to my minister this very hour!

  90. Literally? by deblau · · Score: 1
    "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

    I think if there were a radar 23000 miles tall, I'd have heard about it by now. Duh.

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  91. Politician mocked for supporting asteroid research by FleaPlus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's interesting to note that when Congressman Anthony Weiner (D-NY) tried to introduce a bill to provide additional funding for tracking near-earth asteroids, he was mocked by some of New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg's aides. In general, supporting things like this (even though they're actually pretty important) is a good way to get yourself targeted for "not caring about things here on Earth."

  92. Literally? Um, no by iamatlas · · Score: 1
    Asteroid Flies Under the Radar, Literally

    No, it didn't. If you don't know the meaning of the word, don't use it.

  93. Re:Well if I'm going to be obliterated by an aster by kurzweilfreak · · Score: 0

    If your homeowner's insurance doesn't cover it, I'd be happy to sell you some asteroid impact auto insurance for $50 a month...

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  94. trailing right behind it by moosesocks · · Score: 2, Funny

    scientists have also acknowledged the presence of a second, nearly identical asteriod trailing directly behiDFJAFNDFK DJF *#%*# *****NO CARRIER*******

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  95. Truth stranger than fiction? by fnurb · · Score: 1

    Coincidentally, West Wing aired an episode a week ago, on December 15, called "Impact Winter", in which a large asteroid was detected close to Earth, on a probable collision course, after being obscured by the blind spot caused by the Sun's glare.

    Many fansites were moaning about West Wing having jumped the shark for featuring such an absurd plot device...

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    1. Re:Truth stranger than fiction? by HeghmoH · · Score: 2, Funny

      West Wing jumped the shark long ago. With cardboard cutout characters like "George W. Bush" and "Donald Rumsfeld", I can't believe anybody ever took it seriously. The whole mess in "Iraq" (wherever that's supposed to be) has just been ridiculously long and drawn out, and is obviously just a lame recurring plot device to make up for the fact that their writers have no original ideas. They constantly introduce new major adversaries and then forget about them (anybody remember "Osama bin Laden" from the 2001 season, or "Saddam Hussein" from last year?) and in general it's just a gigantic farce. I'm surprised anybody pays any attention to it these days.

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  96. RTFA, SVP. by twitter · · Score: 1
    We don't have to spot the 16 footers.

    Nor do we need to worry about terrorists with nuclear weapons. What's a city or two in the long run? The two are roughly equivalent.

    This is like worrying about that dust particle that almost hit me when I was walking out to my var Monday.

    It's more like a bullet flying within three feet of you. No big deal, right?

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    1. Re:RTFA, SVP. by NetFu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think when it comes to this kind of crap, we have to be "in it for the species". Whether we're talking about a city of 100,000 or a city of 10,000,000, it's still just a drop in the bucket of 8-10 billion.

      If we could come up with a way to stop these things, how often would we NEED to, and how much would it cost?

      We need to pick and choose where we spend our money. I'm all for spending much, much more on scientific endeavors, but I'd rather spend the LIMITED amount of money we have on scientific endeavors that will accomplish something.

      Or maybe we could save more people (over the same time it takes to have one of these things hit a "city") by simply finding a way to stop wars?

      That'd be a worthwhile cause in my book. Inventing a vaporous 21st century SDI system is not...

    2. Re:RTFA, SVP. by RollingThunder · · Score: 1

      The FA that refers to the 16 footer says that a 16 footer is a non-worry, as it would have "exploded high up".

      You may be referring to the other FA in the story, where it says "An asteroid large enough to have flattened a city buzzed Earth earlier this month"... but that article refers to a much larger rock - 130-260 feet in diameter. As in ten times the diameter, or a thousand times the mass.

    3. Re:RTFA, SVP. by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 1
      Maybe YOU need to read what the fuck I posted.

      I was talking about the 16 footer.

      Terrorists? WTF are you on? Crack?

      Shit, you people sometimes...

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  97. *We* have the oil. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe someone is trying to "liberate" our "planet of terror".

  98. Deep Impact vs Rosetta by deltacephei · · Score: 1

    Deep Impact will be launching a copper projectile onto the surface of Comet Tempel 1 and the flyby spacecraft will film the creation of a large crater. All data will be visual only and unfortunately the launch has been delayed.

    In contrast the ESA Rosetta Mission is going to orbit Comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko and attempt to lower a small lander onto it.

    The animation of comet rendevous shows expected time to reach it is another 10+ years, the mission ends in December 2015. The launch took place successfully in March of this year.

    The purpose of both missions is to discern chemical composition of these very old objects.

  99. NOT under satellites AT ALL by Create+an+Account · · Score: 1

    RTA. It was not under 23,000 miles away, it was under 298,000 miles away - 1.3 times the distance to the moon, and WAY beyond geostationary orbit. This was just poor editing.

  100. Disregard my previous... by Create+an+Account · · Score: 1

    Ah...I seem to have read the wrong article...Sorry about that...

  101. Good point by melted · · Score: 1

    I see it in my head - green faced alien on stereo-TV is talking about GWB, an evil tyrant and merciless baby killer.

  102. wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Space.com is reporting that a 16-foot wide asteriod has passed the Earth in a phenomenally close call...


    Wow... that's the biggest asteriod I've ever heard of!
  103. Re:Real programmers have 16 fingers (sig) by trmcdougle · · Score: 1

    No, real programmers have 8 fingers, plus 1 start and 1 stop

  104. o yeah? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    in korea only old people burn up

  105. asteroids by OneShotAl · · Score: 1

    what does any of this matter for? we're all going to rapture anyday now!

    1. Re:asteroids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Didn't you hear? The Rapture was last week. Guess you weren't chosen either. Tough break.

  106. Re:Politician mocked for supporting asteroid resea by illtud · · Score: 1

    In general, supporting things like this (even though they're actually pretty important) is a good way to get yourself targeted for "not caring about things here on Earth."

    UK Politician Lembit Opik gets flak for his obsession with this as well (or it could be about his upcoming marriage to Sian Lloyd, UK's favourite weather girl...). He does though, have the added distinction of being Ernst Julius Öpik's (Estonian astrophysicist specializing in asteroids and the like) grandson.

  107. Doomsday is here by Lovesquid · · Score: 0

    I'm quitting my job and hitting the titty bar. See you on the other side.

  108. Not mocked for research by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With the name Anthony Weiner.....I don't think it was his bill they were mocking.

  109. In other news... by Evil+W1zard · · Score: 1

    John Glenn commented that there was a 1 in 455 chance that the asteroid could collide with an airplane and therefore we should not populate it to save the species from later earth killing catastrophic events.

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  110. It's too late to send out an expedition... by Racter · · Score: 1

    They're already here.

  111. What if it hit a satellite? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure, it would cause no damage to the Earth itself, but it sure could cause damage.

    What if it hit a few satellites as it passed by us? What if Russia's doomsday device notices, and launches their ICBM's?

    Movie Reference.

  112. Re:Well if I'm going to be obliterated by an aster by justforaday · · Score: 1

    ...we spend it on sports figures, actors, and politicians.

    I'll have you know that I've never given any money to Arnold Schwarzenegger! Okay, maybe a few bucks here and there to rent a movie, but that's it...Isn't it great that we've reached the point where we can just roll it all into one person?

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  113. Lucifer's Hammer by scarhill · · Score: 1

    Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle's sci-fi novel Lucifer's Hammer has a great scene where the astrophysicist Dan Forrester goes through a back-of-the-envelope calculation of the results of a comet's impact. His conclusion: If it hits land it's bad for anyone underneath(!) but most of the energy re-radiates to space. If it hits water (more likely, since the earth's surface is 70% water) most of the energy goes into water vapor--literally boiling the ocean and kicking off a new ice age.

  114. Yes, you should drive it into the asteriod. by arete · · Score: 1

    He didn't say "drill it into the CENTER of the asteriod"

    A nuclear warhead has tremendous energy but little mass. An asteriod has tremendous mass. In order to balance the momentum equation, in order to push the asteriod off course you have to make an equal momentum change in the other direction.

    Which means you want to vaporize or eject enough of the asteriod in one direction, which means you need to get under a significant amount of it - not so much that you risk it not being rapidly ejected by your warhead, but otherwise more gives you a better chance of pushing the asteriod away.

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  115. The word "literal" by yRabbit · · Score: 1

    From Merriam Webster:
    1 : in a literal sense or manner : ACTUALLY
    2 : in effect : VIRTUALLY
    usage Since some people take sense 2 to be the opposite of sense 1, it has been frequently criticized as a misuse. Instead, the use is pure hyperbole intended to gain emphasis, but it often appears in contexts where no additional emphasis is necessary.


    The word literal began to suck some time ago. ;)

  116. Re:Politician mocked for supporting asteroid resea by LaCosaNostradamus · · Score: 1

    Such as soaking the taxpayers for even more "public projects" and assorted corporate welfare for their buddies. If we keep this up, Humanity will deserve its extinction.

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  117. Options. . . by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 1
    I was under the impression that it was a sort of natural result of that much mass, but that's just me) of our binary star system, you're going to have to provide more evidence than just making an offhand reference to it.

    At least, you are if you want me to believe it.


    That's very fair, but let's be clear about one thing; I don't want you to believe anything. Your search for knowledge is yours alone. --I do, however, think it is important to make avenues of learning available when possible. To share.

    That being the case, I will explain a bit more of what I understand about the issue. . .

    Our solar system has two stars; one did not achieve enough mass to start the fusion process, and so remains a giant ball of matter invisible as it is beyond the reflective range of the Sun, and because it emits no visible light. One would think that it might be found by radio telescopes, but nobody is looking for it, and the sky is large. It's orbit around our sun is quite massive, taking about two hundred and thirty thousands years to complete. It is an elliptical orbit, and at it's nearest point to the Sun, it brushes just beyond Pluto's orbit, passing through the Kuiper belt.

    This theory is called the 'Dark Star', or 'Nemesis' theory. This you can look up for yourself. The general concensus among astronomers who give credence to the theory is that such a body is needed to explain orbital irregularities seen in the other planets which remain otherwise unaccounted for. This is, of course, a fairly unpopular theory and it is not taught anywhere I know of in orthodox learning institutions, but the theory itself appears to be sound.

    It was expected to be seen at its closest orbit, as within Pluto's range, it ought to have been visible. Interestingly, back around 1999, a large object was noted, and discussed, but it was played down and called different things, explained in different ways. --Made out to be a fairly small planetoid, between the size of Pluto or the Moon, but this I believe was probably a misdirection since such a small body would not account for the irregularities in the planetary orbits of the rest of the solar system.

    Anyway. . .

    The theory regarding regularly appearing comet impacts resulting from this body knocking debris from the Kuiper belt into low orbit is less easily discussed, coming as it does from a channeled source. --That would be, from alien intelligences communicating through a ouija board. Information of that kind is generally ignored by most serious researchers for a variety of reasons, all largely stemming from social programming and bias. --On one side of the fence are the religious types who fear such communications come from biblical monsters, while on the other side of the fence are those who have been successfully brought to bear under the reigns of the 'cult of science', which limits and twists the powers of rational thinking so that its followers remain easily led and easily blinded to un-profitable ways of thinking. Proper science without social controls and knee-jerk emotional reactions is rare.

    Interestingly, though, when using these esoteric leads to investigate the possibilities of regular comet impacts, lots of evidence does in fact turn up, through historical texts, geologic evidence, etc.

    In any case, those are some leads you may follow if you choose.


    -FL

  118. NASA is our only defence by aka_big_wurm · · Score: 1

    I just was just thinking and wondering is NASA our only defence if we do find something? Its a very scarry thought if they are. There is no good reason that we humans are not on other planets or at least mars. We have all our eggs in one basket and one little rock could come and end it all.

  119. nobody ran the numbers? by alizard · · Score: 1
    I used the impact calculator. I used dense rock from the menu for density. The experts said that it would break up in the upper atmosphere, and this says the same thing. The bad news follows. Half a megaton may not sound like much, but if it's your back yard, it'll ruin your whold day.

    Enjoy.

    Your Inputs:

    Distance from Impact: 0.00 km = 0.00 miles
    Projectile Diameter: 16.00 m = 52.48 ft = 0.01 miles
    Projectile Density: 8000 kg/m3
    Impact Velocity: 17.00 km/s = 10.56 miles/s
    Impact Angle: 45 degrees
    Target Density: 2500 kg/m3
    Target Type: Sedimentary Rock
    Energy:
    Energy before atmospheric entry: 2.48 x 1015 Joules = 592.27 KiloTons TNT
    The average interval between impacts of this size somewhere on Earth is 73.5 years
    Atmospheric Entry:
    The projectile begins to breakup at an altitude of 13400 meters = 44100 ft
    The projectile bursts into a cloud of fragments at an altitude of 6880 meters = 22600 ft
    The residual velocity of the projectile fragments after the burst is 5.02 km/s = 3.12 miles/s
    The energy of the airburst is 2.26 x 1015 Joules = 0.54 x 100 MegaTons.
    No crater is formed, although large fragments may strike the surface.

    Major Global Changes:
    The Earth is not strongly disturbed by the impact and loses negligible mass.
    The impact does not make a noticeable change in the Earth's rotation period or the tilt of its axis.
    The impact does not shift the Earth's orbit noticeably. Air Blast:

  120. Re:Might want to recheck the size ... by Jumperalex · · Score: 1

    REALLY? wow I hadn't noticed. Maybe that is my problem this quarter in my masters program. Thanks for pointing that out to me.

    Perhaps it was less obvious that it said 2002 and a simple matter of looking at the wrong link first (out of the two).

    So .. how is that working out for you anyway?

    You know ... being clever.

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  121. Re:Well if I'm going to be obliterated by an aster by fyngyrz · · Score: 1
    Yes. What could be more important?

    Ask the dinos if asteroids were important. Wait, there aren't any dinos. Huh. How about that?

    Just because some people haven't the imagination and foresight to properly slot asteroid impact priorities, doesn't mean we shouldn't do it. They'll want to survive, even if they aren't very bright. That's an instinct that transcends the median IQ line, even if comprehension doesn't.

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